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Kernel Manager Eating Up Free Space on Phone

I haven't seen anything online about this problem... but I installed Kernel Manager today from the Market and tried downloading the Tiamat kernel for CM7. It downloaded just fine, and then it upacked it and started to flash it. The flashing process took forever, so after about 5 minutes I started looking at my phone and noticed a low memory notification. The one that says you are running out of phone storage. I then pulled up Disk Usage to see where it was all going and Kernel Manager was growing and taking up all my phone's memory. I think the app itself was 74 kb?? Something like that? And then while it was "flashing" the data for Kernel Manager was up to 115MB. Then everything on my phone started FCing and I had to reboot.
Anybody seen this problem with the newest update? I'm running 1.1.2.

Delete that bs and install kernels the big boy way; grab the zip then flash in recovery and reboot unless you like apps holding your hand and eating up free space
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dirkyd3rk said:
Delete that bs and install kernels the big boy way; grab the zip then flash in recovery and reboot unless you like apps holding your hand and eating up free space
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haha! I tried that app just to see what it was all about but when it flashed the kernel IDK if it even did the proper wipes ,there was no way to know and I was getting fc so yeah I say just do it the old fashion way in recovery...
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Mr. Monkey said:
I haven't seen anything online about this problem... but I installed Kernel Manager today from the Market and tried downloading the Tiamat kernel for CM7. It downloaded just fine, and then it upacked it and started to flash it. The flashing process took forever, so after about 5 minutes I started looking at my phone and noticed a low memory notification. The one that says you are running out of phone storage. I then pulled up Disk Usage to see where it was all going and Kernel Manager was growing and taking up all my phone's memory. I think the app itself was 74 kb?? Something like that? And then while it was "flashing" the data for Kernel Manager was up to 115MB. Then everything on my phone started FCing and I had to reboot.
Anybody seen this problem with the newest update? I'm running 1.1.2.
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I had the exact same thing happen to me a month ago or so. Not with the kernel manager, but it was from the teamwin hdmi app trying to install the modified kernel, and it hung up in the process. Then I had a notification of low memory. Then I rebooted and it hung at the splash, lol. Had to nandroud restore. I never let an app flash anything after that. And that was the only time I tried.
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dirkyd3rk said:
Delete that bs and install kernels the big boy way; grab the zip then flash in recovery and reboot unless you like apps holding your hand and eating up free space
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Now that seems a little extreme. Taking up space? The app is 350 KB. I'm sure you would never miss it.
Holding my hand? Oh you mean like Rom Manager? Do you still browse online and download one at a time?
I don't have a problem flashing the kernel myself. I like the interface to download and browse kernels. But there is obviously something up with the flashing process. I wish you could choose to just download the kernel and flash it myself.

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Now that seems a little extreme. Taking up space? The app is 350 KB. I'm sure you would never miss it.
Holding my hand? Oh you mean like Rom Manager? Do you still browse online and download one at a time?
I don't have a problem flashing the kernel myself. I like the interface to download and browse kernels. But there is obviously something up with the flashing process. I wish you could choose to just download the kernel and flash it myself.
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Yes rom manager also holds peoples hands. I just download via my xda app its easy as pie. Plus flashing kernels in recovery is proven to be better in the sense that KM can fail the flash process sometimes and cause issues. I have my personal reasons why I will NEVER use rom manager on my phone but that's not important . As I've seen around km is definitely having issues with its flashing process with some kernels and it seems that shinzul has been addressing them very fast. If you could choose and download the kernel "yourself" wouldnt that be the same thing as getting it and going to recovery lol? Thus taking us back to square one of km manager being useless?
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No, square one was the question being asked by the OP. I don't use ROM Manager either, not for any specific reason, but I suppose if I was still flashing ROMs like a mad man I would consider it. What's so bad about KM housing multiple kernels in one location so you can get a quick and easy glance at your options instead of hunting them down? Or for that matter, ROM Manager.
It's also not 'holding your hand' when you've been down the road multiple times. I tend to peek my way through kernel / ROM threads just for the sake of finding out any possible issues ... but some people just want to get in, flash, get out and be done with it. I, honestly, don't see the problem with it.
As for the OP, not sure what to say as I've had no problems flashing kernels from KM.

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No, square one was the question being asked by the OP. I don't use ROM Manager either, not for any specific reason, but I suppose if I was still flashing ROMs like a mad man I would consider it. What's so bad about KM housing multiple kernels in one location so you can get a quick and easy glance at your options instead of hunting them down? Or for that matter, ROM Manager.
It's also not 'holding your hand' when you've been down the road multiple times. I tend to peek my way through kernel / ROM threads just for the sake of finding out any possible issues ... but some people just want to get in, flash, get out and be done with it. I, honestly, don't see the problem with it.
As for the OP, not sure what to say as I've had no problems flashing kernels from KM.
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Exactly. The only reason I like a ROM/Kernel manager is to have them all in the same place and easy to download. It makes it easier to look at the list of features each one offers, and see reviews/complaints. I dont need anyone to flash anything for me. I can do that on my own. I just want an easy way to download them. The only problem is you can't ONLY download with KM, you have to download and flash.
If you could choose and download the kernel "yourself" wouldnt that be the same thing as getting it and going to recovery lol? Thus taking us back to square one of km manager being useless?
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Not useless at all. I understand if you would rather spend time flipping through forum pages trying to find the download link. That's your choice. Having it in an organized list with specs is my choice. I definitely would not call it useless -- it'll actually save you time.

Rooting and low memory

I searched a good bit, but couldn't find the answer to this specific question. Will gaining root access get rid of the low memory error? I'd just ignore the error, except it keeps the gmail app from syncing. Sorry if it's a dumb question. I was hoping the 2.3 update would fix it, but it doesn't sound like it does, and now it's starting to sound like I may never get it! I may have to take the plunge and root....
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Gaining root itself won't fix the error. However, many custom ROMs have it fixed. Not sure about the Sense ones, but the AOSP ones such as MIUI or CyanogenMod do.

Thanks for your response!
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Move apps to SD card
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Move apps to SD card
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I don't think moving apps to SD works. I had it with a ROM I used and it's not an actual case of low memory. A ROM with the fix does work. I'm using one of WildStang's and it's working great.

Moving apps to the SD card will help (not fix) the issue on 2.3 roms because the .lib files are now moved to the SD card from the /data/data folder (they weren't on 2.2).
Once you get close to the 150mb limit in the /data/data folder you will start seeing the notification (or a bunch of force closes on AOSP roms)
Also the app "not enough space" can alleviate the problem, or an automated cache cleaner.

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Moving apps to the SD card will help (not fix) the issue on 2.3 roms because the .lib files are now moved to the SD card from the /data/data folder (they weren't on 2.2).
Once you get close to the 150mb limit in the /data/data folder you will start seeing the notification (or a bunch of force closes on AOSP roms)
Also the app "not enough space" can alleviate the problem, or an automated cache cleaner.
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You mentioned the bunch of force closes on AOSP roms, I had this problem a few times with MIUI and CM7 where out of nowhere it would force close everything and the phone was unusable. Is this related to cache? I read that it might be corrupted contacts that caused the issue.

Man, I can't figure it out this time. Had the DI for 18 months, and I've always been able to fix this - facebook, contacts, or just trace it back to the most recently installed app. This time I can't figure it out. It's so frustrating - 18 months ago and went ahead and spent the extra money to get (at the time) the most powerful phone I could find as far as memory, and got the 32g card to go with it, so I wouldn't have to worry about this. Now I've got plenty of memory, but my phone doesn't think so!
I'm scared to death to root. I'd love to start messing with ROMs, but I'm scared to brick it, I'd be screwed.
Thanks for the responses....

possible fix
You should check out jermaine151's Stock+ version 2.1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1260994. I can't personally vouch for it as he just released it and it's a little late to start reinstalling everything, but it looks promising.

This mod will fix the low space problems.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1315372
I have been using it for about a week and no problems at all. Phone seems snappy and no annoying low space issue. It basically resizes the small partition to a bigger one. So no more low space notification.

Apps Uninstalling Themselves

I noticed that I've had several apps "uninstall" themselves.. all of them were on the SD card.
Seems to be a common bug among quite a few GB builds when I checked it out on Google.
Is there a way to disable "apps to sd"? I'm on the stock ROM, rooted.
I believe it would take a modified a2sd.sh script but I don't yet have the programming experience to feel comfortable altering it myself (I'm still on stock recovery so a nandroid backup isn't an option)
Should probably be a simple fix, any of you Dev's willing to chime in?
Also, anyone else noticed this happening to them?

i've seen that bug a few times, it's quite annoying, some how the OS just loses the installed info about the apps, and you have to re-install them for it to know it's still there

I am seeing this even on apps saved internally.
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Same here
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Just thought I should also point out this is not a hardware issue, it has happened to me on all my previous 3 android phones
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Everytime I install an app, I simply make sure I "move to phone" if it gets installed on the SD card
No problems since (yet..)

Are you using an aftermarket launcher or stock launcher? In any event not sure if it matters. I'm running CM7 alpha with Launcher Pro. It randomly happens to me, but I hold the back button on CM7 to force close Launcher Pro, and when it relaunches the apps are fully present. Try killing and restarting your launcher.

I've seen this as well - currently running Bombaridier 3.5 w/ Bullet...I've had this happen on different versions of the ROM, and it's kinda like AllGamer points out: app info seems to be lost, somehow - in my observation, after a reboot. However, if you go to manage your Applications, they'll still show as installed (well, mine do anyhow.) And yeah, reinstalling is no issue.
Restart the launcher? I will have to see about that - I'm running Go Launcher Ex on Bombaridier 3.5; if I see this (hopefully not) again, I will try that to see what happens. Thanks for the tip!

[Q] Major lag from touch screen suddenly

Hello.
I have posted this in the forums at Android Central and only got one response. I've had my phone since Feb of this year. Since 11/2 there is major lag. No issues on 11/1. Taps on the home screen are continuously being read as long presses. My lock screen is really laggy, as are home screens and most apps. Bad piggies for whatever reason is working just fine. Most other apps including the keyboard are very laggy. It just seems to be very slow to respond to touch all of a sudden. My phone is rooted stock GB. At AC, I was told an app was hogging RAM. I downloaded Memory Useage from the google play store but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I'm still getting that lady after killing and uninstalling apps. The lag is still there with the native launcher so I really don't think it has anything to do with GO Launcher. I used TiB to revert GOL back to the previous version. I also uninstalled GOLocker as well. I've done a soft reset but it didn't help.
Is there a way to see my Play update history so I can see which apps installed that night? I've always had the occasional lag but it wasn't ever really a big deal. This is greatly interfering with my use of the phone. I am lucky to type a word before the keyboard disappears. Low resources makes sense but I just can't figure out what app is hogging them.
Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm thinking of resting back to unrooted GB to upgrade to stock ICS.

The first app in the my apps list is the most recent one. So start uninstalling from the top.. Now if you had installed an app say 2 months ago, uninstalled it a month ago and then reinstalled it today then it won't show at the top of the list. It will be still at that same spot where it was 2 months ago. So keep in mind if you reinstalled some app.
Also you should uninstall apps from applications in settings so you can clear cache and data for that app. Or you restart after each uninstall.
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BluesRulez said:
The first app in the my apps list is the most recent one. So start uninstalling from the top.. Now if you had installed an app say 2 months ago, uninstalled it a month ago and then reinstalled it today then it won't show at the top of the list. It will be still at that same spot where it was 2 months ago. So keep in mind if you reinstalled some app.
Also you should uninstall apps from applications in settings so you can clear cache and data for that app. Or you restart after each uninstall.
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Thanks but my only options are Sort by Size and Sort Alphabetically. Are you talking about the applications list in Settings? Or is there a better place to uninstall? I know I can go into TiB as well.

cajunlibra said:
Thanks but my only options are Sort by Size and Sort Alphabetically. Are you talking about the applications list in Settings? Or is there a better place to uninstall? I know I can go into TiB as well.
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My apps list is in the play store..
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BluesRulez said:
My apps list is in the play store..
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Thanks. **Slaps forehead**

cajunlibra said:
Thanks. **Slaps forehead**
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This is so frustrating. In the Play Store App, my "Installed" list is alphabetical and the "All" list is listed by install order with the most recent at the top regardless of timestamp of update. I cannot see any option for changing the order. Should I just go by the TiB list? It is showing the apps in order of update and lets me clear cache and uninstall the apps.

cajunlibra said:
This is so frustrating. In the Play Store App, my "Installed" list is alphabetical and the "All" list is listed by install order with the most recent at the top regardless of timestamp of update. I cannot see any option for changing the order. Should I just go by the TiB list? It is showing the apps in order of update and lets me clear cache and uninstall the apps.
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Yeah
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cajunlibra said:
This is so frustrating. In the Play Store App, my "Installed" list is alphabetical and the "All" list is listed by install order with the most recent at the top regardless of timestamp of update. I cannot see any option for changing the order. Should I just go by the TiB list? It is showing the apps in order of update and lets me clear cache and uninstall the apps.
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Now I have removed all apps updated on 11/2 or overnight from the evening of 11/1. The only one I can't touch is Kies. I have frozen it with TiB but I'm still getting the super heavy lag. What can I do next? Do I need to just reset the whole device now and start from scratch?
This is really frustrating. I love my phone and haven't had it long enough to switch to something else. Are there any tests that I can perform to check on the screen itself?
I have also installed OS Monitor and the top apps using up the CPU are OS Monitor, SYstem, Google Play Movies & TV, Android System, gzip. THe % used varies from 0% up to 26% they may last only a second or two. Is there something wrong with my phone? I feel like I've exhausted finding a resource hog.

If you have a custom recovery installed then do a nandroid backup and flash a fresh install of something to test it. If its not broke in the test then you can restore tour backup and continue to troubleshoot. Honestly though its easy enough to just start fresh. I do it every few days/weeks on a new rom.
Heck at this point flash something ICS or even JB. I can't think of a reason to ever use a GB rom again.

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If you have a custom recovery installed then do a nandroid backup and flash a fresh install of something to test it. If its not broke in the test then you can restore tour backup and continue to troubleshoot. Honestly though its easy enough to just start fresh. I do it every few days/weeks on a new rom.
Heck at this point flash something ICS or even JB. I can't think of a reason to ever use a GB rom again.
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Do you have a JB recommendation? I haven't created a nandroid backup because the only one I am aware of with with CWM and I have been told more than once that it isn't reliable on the E4GT so I just completed removed it from my phone. Are there any other methods for getting a nandroid backup?

cajunlibra said:
Do you have a JB recommendation? I haven't created a nandroid backup because the only one I am aware of with with CWM and I have been told more than once that it isn't reliable on the E4GT so I just completed removed it from my phone. Are there any other methods for getting a nandroid backup?
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Paranoid android 2.50. You can make a nandroid backup from el26 kernel with cwm of an pics rom.
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I'm currently using codename, great rom. I've only used my nandroid backups several times but they do work. Always just made my backup in whatever custom recovery I was using at the time. Can't remember what recovery I used on GB. Its been a while. Edit just use the el26 blues mentioned above
When switching between ROMs or experimenting I use SMS backup and restore and call log backup and restore from market. Its nice to have those old texts and call logs sometimes.

I use SMS Backup cuz I want to save my texts but I don't know if I need to save my call log.
Thanks for the recommendation. Paranoid Android looks pretty cool.
My external SD card is safe right? Does it need to be backed up as well?

cajunlibra said:
I use SMS Backup cuz I want to save my texts but I don't know if I need to save my call log.
Thanks for the recommendation. Paranoid Android looks pretty cool.
My external SD card is safe right? Does it need to be backed up as well?
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External SD never gets wiped during a rom flash. Even internal sd card doesn't.

What's your opinion on Triangle away? Is it safe to use on my e4gt? Just in case this doesn't work, I'll need to reset my count.
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What's your opinion on Triangle away? Is it safe to use on my e4gt? Just in case this doesn't work, I'll need to reset my count.
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I have used once when I flashed jb tar and it worked. I prefer mobile Odin over desktop Odin to flash. Mobile Odin means no triangle.
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I use triangle away all the time, I never use mobile Odin. I think its more risky, not sure why, its all in my head

Thanks. One more question and hopefully we're done here.
I noticed that on the paranoid Android site, they no longer have OTAs. How do you get updates? Do you have to flash each time?
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Do any of you find it odd that bad piggies seems to be immune to this lag issue? I played it on my to work this morning. Other apps get bogged down. Thank you all for your help and advice.
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Custom roms typically require manual updates. Very few update automatically and i have never tried paranoid.
I'm not even sure what bad piggies is.

[Q] force a process to keep running?

Running jbsourcery v5 (4.2.2). I can't get any process to stay running at all. Lmt dies on me and restarts after browsing the web for a bit, after that it seems to die and restart every 5 mins. I downloaded sidebar today and its the same story but worse. The memory doesn't even need to be loaded, just lightly using my phone it dies and doesn't come back until I start it manually, this happens about every 5 mins and is EXTREMELY annoying. I've tweaked every single memory setting back and forth and also tried converting both to system apps but they force close and don't work.is there any way to force android to keep a process running or keep this from happening?
Edit: I should mention this has never happened with the weather bug status bar temperature. It sucks because both those apps are completely useless if they don't stay running

for anyone else with the same problem whether its a different app or not, i think i found the answer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1012330
i just copied another file in my init.d, renamed it and added the info for the app and restarted. i checked it with rom toolbox and it shows the OOM group as being excluded... vs foreground, visibile, empty app, etc. time will tell but i think this is going to work and i can think of another 2 or 3 times this would have been amazing to know. in any event, hopefully someone else may find this useful.
noobish disclaimer: it would be HIGHLY advised not to do this with any apps that have a large memory footprint

aaaanddd. it still doesnt work, app already disappeared. would this be classified as a legitimate memory leak?

App pimp my rom has a lock app in memory setting. Tried it yet?
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App pimp my rom has a lock app in memory setting. Tried it yet?
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lol i was just about to mention that. i wasnt finding anything about it at first because i was googling locking processes in memory. once i changed processes to applications, i found a thread mentioning it, and so far, it looks like this might have finally solved it. i havent had sidebar close yet so its looking pretty good.