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HTC Stuff Killing Battery, How About Vanilla 2.1 Rom?

Is there anyway to TOTALLY remove sense UI + widgets and all the rest of the HTC crap?
I know about disabling it, but that doesn't really stop processes from running. Of course there's taskiller and autostarts but how about a rom that is vanilla 2.1 for Evo 4G??
I've found that battery life GREATLY improves when all that HTC crap is killed.

yesterday i had 15 hours and was at 20% yet.. and that was after pandora, mp3, cellmapper (runs continually on way home from work for 30 min)
What are you looking to get out of the phone? 2-3 days? I carry an extra battery just in case

This isn't my first Android phone, no I'm not expecting 2-3 days. One FULL day would suffice. My Moto Droid overclocked to 800Mhz, can last through the entire day sometimes no charge required until the next morning. Something on par with that would suffice. I need to be able to use my phone as I normally would (i.e. like my Droid) without disabling Wifi and BT. 4G is always disabled on my phone.
My point is, I've found it's all the HTC widgets, and garbage running the background that's really putting a dent in the battery. If we had a Vanilla Android rom (for those who want it, I'm sure i'm not the only one) I think we'd see a lot better battery life.

check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6736792
I did remove a few apps from my phone last night.. make sure you have a nand backup before you do anything.. i needed to do a restore

Thanks, good stuff. Did you get those 15 hrs before or after you removed apps from that link you provided.

This is always going to be asked. If someone doesn't have a phone with HTC Sense UI then they want it and mod their phone to look like Sense UI. If someone has it stock on their phone then they want it off. Its just the way it goes. It does eat more battery running but it looks great to most people.

I believe we are waiting for HTC to release the kernel source before an AOSP ROM is ported.

I'd LOVE a vanilla EVO ROM. Coming from ADP1 > Droid > N1, the EVO doesn't even feel like an android device to me.

Use AutoKiller or Auto Memory Manager and not a "taskkiller". Taskkillers can do more harm than good. Example: You have it set to keep killing off a program that is restarted over and over thus killing battery. Set Autokiller to Extreme and enjoy hardly any apps running once they finish. Also, have you tried not syncing so often ie mail/Facebook/Peep/Twitter? The HTC stuff shouldn't be using enough to make a noticeable difference. Or at least, I don't notice anyways. Also, turn off "Always On Mobile Network". That, hands down, is the best thing you can do to save battery. Next would be Location. Turn off Wirelesss Networks. Use the GPS option. I leave mine ON all the time. It only really turns on when you are using it or an app needs it and then it turns off. It doesn't use as much juice as the Wireless Network option.
But if you want to disable HTC Sense, download an app called Home Switcher from the Market. Set the default to "Home". Click Launch. Enjoy.

sitting at 19 hours with heavy usage still with 30% battery left after being ain a building all day
not sure what every one is screaming about a bad battery life

notasimpleway said:
But if you want to disable HTC Sense, download an app called Home Switcher from the Market. Set the default to "Home". Click Launch. Enjoy.
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But of course, that does absolutely nothing to actually disable Sense. NOTHING you can do will disable it. This is just using an alternate home launcher instead of Rosie from Sense, but you still have all of Sense's parts running in the background and heavily integrated into the OS.b

TheBiles said:
I believe we are waiting for HTC to release the kernel source before an AOSP ROM is ported.
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Thanks for actually answering my question! Glad to hear it!

Not completely true. Once Android realizes that Sense is not doing anything it stops it. Somethings you can't stop. But the OP wanted Sense off.
But if you want to disable HTC Sense, download an app called Home Switcher from the Market. Set the default to "Home". Click Launch. Enjoy.
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But of course, that does absolutely nothing to actually disable Sense. NOTHING you can do will disable it. This is just using an alternate home launcher instead of Rosie from Sense, but you still have all of Sense's parts running in the background and heavily integrated into the OS.b
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TheBiles said:
But of course, that does absolutely nothing to actually disable Sense. NOTHING you can do will disable it. This is just using an alternate home launcher instead of Rosie from Sense, but you still have all of Sense's parts running in the background and heavily integrated into the OS.b
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Linpack while using Sense as your home screen results in high 4s
Linpack while using AWD Launcher as home screen results in ~6.9s
I understand what you're saying about Sense being built into the framework, and I agree with you. I don't like it either. But using an alternate home app does make a difference.

I have a rom I am working on. I have removed sense and all sprint apps. It runs a lot faster and battery is a lot better.

I have been running a rom I am working on. I have removed sense and all sprint apps. It runs a lot faster and battery is a lot better.

Gregalous said:
Linpack while using Sense as your home screen results in high 4s
Linpack while using AWD Launcher as home screen results in ~6.9s
I understand what you're saying about Sense being built into the framework, and I agree with you. I don't like it either. But using an alternate home app does make a difference.
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Not sure what's wrong with your phone, but I hit 6.9 WITH Sense launcher.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696220

joey3002 said:
check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6736792
I did remove a few apps from my phone last night.. make sure you have a nand backup before you do anything.. i needed to do a restore
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I made a nandroid backup when I rooted but where does it store it, on the phone? Is there any way to make a backup of it somewhere just encase, I am all about making backups of stuff so I can revert later if necessary

On your SD card. In a folder called Nandroid. Just copy the folder to your computer for a backup.
check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6736792
I did remove a few apps from my phone last night.. make sure you ha
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I made a nandroid backup when I rooted but where does it store it, on the phone? Is there any way to make a backup of it somewhere just encase, I am all about making backups of stuff so I can revert later if necessary
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Benefits of rooting SGS i9000

Why should the average user take the risk?

The "Average" user shouldn't in my view. Original firmware is pretty stable so there's no immediate need for custom ROMS or removal of shipped apps.

dan 6a said:
Why should the average user take the risk?
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An average user shouldn't, but it can be fun to have a proper play with the device!
ash99 said:
The "Average" user shouldn't in my view. Original firmware is pretty stable so there's no immediate need for custom ROMS or removal of shipped apps.
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You must admit there's some crap shipped apps installed on it, like most of the Live Wallpaper, widgets and Layar.

damianarnold said:
An average user shouldn't, but it can be fun to have a proper play with the device!
You must admit there's some crap shipped apps installed on it, like most of the Live Wallpaper, widgets and Layar.
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True, but if Average user uninstalls the wrong thing ..... Average user is gonna brick his phone .... Whoops !
But yeah if average user can brush up his technical skills then theres some fun to be had !

ash99 said:
But yeah if average user can brush up his technical skills then theres some fun to be had !
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lOl

For example here in Finland you need to root your Android to get Android Market for example..

It is possible to set the higher priority of some tasks? Like LauncherPro. It would react more responsible when there are another apps running with high cpu usage.
also i would like to set the priority to low of a task which installs applications from market, so the phone is more usable.
Would it be possible?
hope you got my english

rkantos said:
For example here in Finland you need to root your Android to get Android Market for example..
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Are you serious? They don't allow you access to the android market by default?

INeedYourHelp said:
Are you serious? They don't allow you access to the android market by default?
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You only get the free side without rooting.
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rkantos said:
For example here in Finland you need to root your Android to get Android Market for example..
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So does Market enabler work on the i9000?

ME works like a charm

What if I root my phone and samsung releases a new firmware.
Can I update the firmware without any issues, and will I still have root after such an upgrade?

If you gained Root with Flashing the csc file from Leshak, you simply dont flash the csc file of the new firmware and you will still have root.

FrezoreR said:
What if I root my phone and samsung releases a new firmware.
Can I update the firmware without any issues, and will I still have root after such an upgrade?
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The way Samsung handles updates is they are released in odin packages. To install these roms that are in these odins packages you must have the odin program that will install it onto your phone. The problem is that this will wipe out all your settings and apps on your phone. You could try using a backup and for your apps and settings but they don't always work when your upgrading.
Also in regards to the initial question remember you wont have wifi-tether or a huge choice of custom roms (no sense roms, no early Froyo roms). Those two reasons alone have drawn me away from Samsung. I would rather get a HTC Aria then this locked down phone.

psychoace said:
The way Samsung handles updates is they are released in odin packages. To install these roms that are in these odins packages you must have the odin program that will install it onto your phone. The problem is that this will wipe out all your settings and apps on your phone. You could try using a backup and for your apps and settings but they don't always work when your upgrading.
Also in regards to the initial question remember you wont have wifi-tether or a huge choice of custom roms (no sense roms, no early Froyo roms). Those two reasons alone have drawn me away from Samsung. I would rather get a HTC Aria then this locked down phone.
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What? No custom roms?? Why not!? :|
Still I really love this phone, think I'll get it anyway. Little bit sad that we cannot get custom roms, are you 100% sure of this?

No I said you won't get a huge choice of custom roms. Every Rom will be based off of what Samsung releases
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What? That doesn't make sense. There are already custom roms for the galaxy s. And they are in the form of an update.zip
It looks like samsung has released a real customizable device, easily rooted and a recovery that allows any update.zip without checking for checksums..
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Laum said:
You only get the free side without rooting.
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Same here in China. We can only view the free contents without rooting our phone.

oxylos said:
It is possible to set the higher priority of some tasks? Like LauncherPro. It would react more responsible when there are another apps running with high cpu usage.
also i would like to set the priority to low of a task which installs applications from market, so the phone is more usable.
Would it be possible?
hope you got my english
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Do you mean that we cannot use Launcherpro without rooting the phone? That is a awesome launcher. I think it is even better than there original launcher in the Galaxy S.

lianglqufo said:
Do you mean that we cannot use Launcherpro without rooting the phone? That is a awesome launcher. I think it is even better than there original launcher in the Galaxy S.
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No you can use launcherpro just fine without rooting the phone BUT you won't be able to connect to Kies while launcherpro is set as default. So just use a program like home switcher to temporarily set it back to samsungs launcher if you need to connect to Kies.

LauncherPro

I must be a complete noob. But i've been trying to figure out how to use this program, but i don't know how to turn it on? Not listed under widget or apps or... how in the world do i try this out??!

You won't want to use it unless you are rooted and remove HTC Sense.

tmac said:
You won't want to use it unless you are rooted and remove HTC Sense.
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Not exactly...the new update blocks you from using other launchers.
If you don't have the update it'll work without root and you don't need to remove sense.
On the other hand, if you have the update you will need to root your phone first.

Davwf26 said:
I must be a complete noob. But i've been trying to figure out how to use this program, but i don't know how to turn it on? Not listed under widget or apps or... how in the world do i try this out??!
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That is because it is not technically an app, at least not the type that you are accustomed to using. Do this to get it to work.
1. Go to Settings ---> Applications ---> Manage Applications
2. After the list loads scroll down to HTC Sense, tap "Clear Defaults" and "Force Stop"
Touch the home button and it should give you an option on which launcher you would like to load.
Hope this helps!

michaelvibe said:
That is because it is not technically an app, at least not the type that you are accustomed to using. Do this to get it to work.
1. Go to Settings ---> Applications ---> Manage Applications
2. After the list loads scroll down to HTC Sense, tap "Clear Defaults" and "Force Stop"
Touch the home button and it should give you an option on which launcher you would like to load.
Hope this helps!
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Already rooted and running fresh. And apparently this came with the most recent fresh update, but had no idea out to try it out! So thanks! This is exactly what i needed.

disabling sense and using the stock launcher was the only way to get my computer to see my phone. i tried launcher pro but my comp will not see my phone now, very very frustrating.

Neotelos_com said:
Not exactly...the new update blocks you from using other launchers.
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Really?
I've been in root land so I haven't used it and I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't BLOCK other launchers, I think it just doesn't include the 2.1 AOSP launcher "Launcher 2."
As far as the system cares, your home screen is just an app like a browser or music app, it is just a matter of disabling which one is set as default. This can be done in the applications menu via the method described above, or you may find the application "Home Switcher" useful if you like to try out different home screen launchers?
I certainly could be wrong, but I would be surprised if they blocked the ability to turn off sense as the default.

You do not need to be rooted to use either ADW.Launcher nor LauncherPro.
I highly doubt the launcher is causing your computer to not see the device.

tmac said:
You won't want to use it unless you are rooted and remove HTC Sense.
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Why? What does rooting, or removing Sense, have to do with using an alternative launcher? Take your time, be specific.

Neotelos_com said:
Not exactly...the new update blocks you from using other launchers.
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No, the new OTA removes the stock Launcher2. It doesn't block anything.
If you don't have the update it'll work without root and you don't need to remove sense.
On the other hand, if you have the update you will need to root your phone first.
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Wrong. You can either use the Force Close trick to get Sense to close, or you can just grab Home Switcher from the Market and use that to close Sense.

DraginMagik said:
You do not need to be rooted to use either ADW.Launcher nor LauncherPro.
I highly doubt the launcher is causing your computer to not see the device.
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I doubt it either, but wit the stock launcher as default my comp saw my phone n that was the only way, wouldnt work wit sense. Wit the new update, they removed the launcher so i tried launcher pro as default n it didnt work. But the weird thing is that my computer at work sees my phone wit no problem, so it must be something within my comp that i cant seem to figure out. n my comp is fully updated n drivers are all up to date so its weird.

I just loaded launcher pro last night. Took me a while to figure it out too as it is NOT in the apps and there are NO instructions.
Is it just me...or is there some conspiracy in Android land to NEVER HAVE ANY INSTRUCTIONS!!!!!!!!
grrrr
Anyway...somehow one time I tapped the home button on phone and it popped up with a window that asked which one I wanted to use. No idea how I got it, but there it was. It had stock android, launcher, and sense listed. (I am still pre-ota). I have played around with all three.
However...honestly...I found launcher to be a complete slow tortoise! Seriously. Everyone hatin on Sense and Launcher was the slowest thing I have ever seen. And I hadn't even added any apps to it. Not sure I like it at all.
Only cool bit is the home screen rotation...which is what I was looking for. I should go leave comments on this....

LauncherPro is a speed demon and is great to use (been doing so since I found out about it).
I have no idea why it would be slow for you at all.

Cuz he has sense still running I would think
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Be sure to clean slate your HTC Sense Launcher. I am running EVOlution V9 now, so can't remember exactly where the option is; but it's there somewhere. I installed Launcher Pro on my Stock ROM yesterday before rooting and loved it. Everything worked great once I deleted everything off of my HTC Sense Launcher and set Launcher Pro to default. Running it on Froyo now as well.

thorpe24 said:
Cuz he has sense still running I would think
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You think? I heard so many great things about it, but it is nasty slow on my machine. So if I choose it from that pop up window...then you think sense is still trying to run but with that launcher??
So...how is this done? You have to actually get rid of sense or can you turn it off without root?
(ps...i do plan to root, but not until i make a decision in my 30 day period...yes, i have commitment issues!)

sablesurfer said:
You think? I heard so many great things about it, but it is nasty slow on my machine. So if I choose it from that pop up window...then you think sense is still trying to run but with that launcher??
So...how is this done? You have to actually get rid of sense or can you turn it off without root?
(ps...i do plan to root, but not until i make a decision in my 30 day period...yes, i have commitment issues!)
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Open Sense again. I think if you hit menu, something like "Scenes" or similar will appear. Select that and select "Clean Slate." That should clear your Sense homescreen.
Then try Launcher Pro again.

Misaligned/smaller icons on main screen of phone.

I have a weird problem with my phone after rebooting, all of my icons are smaller and misaligned, it seems like everything was pushed up and to the left, as it shows in the screenshot provided.
[I highlighted in red where there are noticeable gaps that were not previously there, notice the icons in the dock bar seem to go beyond the set border.]
edit: i noticed i can't post photos, so please forgive me for altering my link, as it is not malicious.
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There is a gap of space down the right hand side of the screen and left to right on the bottom part of the screen right under the main button dock and the desktop.
Has anyone had this problem or know what could cause this? I have Titanium Backup, Rom Toolbox, and a few other programs, I will list them if requested, but I list those two primarily because I figure they can help fix this maybe?
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I had a similar issue on my Optimus S, all my home screens were slightly shifted left, so on one screen i could see part of both walls. It was trippy, and a pain in the butt. I fixed it on my phone by simply rebooting the phone. I am sure you have tried that already though. If you have everything backed up, maybe a reset would be the fastes solution, if you dont mind reinstalling everything.

XperianceIT said:
I had a similar issue on my Optimus S, all my home screens were slightly shifted left, so on one screen i could see part of both walls. It was trippy, and a pain in the butt. I fixed it on my phone by simply rebooting the phone. I am sure you have tried that already though. If you have everything backed up, maybe a reset would be the fastes solution, if you dont mind reinstalling everything.
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I don't mind rebooting at all, I am just concerned about my unlock that I paid for and the root that I had done. Would doing a full restore reset either of those things? Sorry if it sounds like a silly question. I am still trying to learn all of this stuff.

Have you tried clearing the launcher's data? Or if it's a 3rd party launcher, uninstall and reinstall it? (but temporarily install a backup launcher if you do that, cuz you need at least 1 launcher for your phone to function properly)

jacklebott said:
Have you tried clearing the launcher's data? Or if it's a 3rd party launcher, uninstall and reinstall it? (but temporarily install a backup launcher if you do that, cuz you need at least 1 launcher for your phone to function properly)
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Ya, I have tried that already, no go.
I've also tried removing the battery, restarting Ericsson home through application settings, and restoring frozen apps. none of which worked.

You could always just use a different launcher

Michealtbh said:
You could always just use a different launcher
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I currently am, but certain flawed elements are crossing over from the native launcher.
Like when something asks me to choose default application, the list cuts off and the background of the selection window becomes transparent/abruptly cut off.

Could it have anything to do with lcd density setting
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Numerics said:
I don't mind rebooting at all, I am just concerned about my unlock that I paid for and the root that I had done. Would doing a full restore reset either of those things? Sorry if it sounds like a silly question. I am still trying to learn all of this stuff.
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A full flash with Flashtool will remove root, but your bootloader will keep open for good. You need a special package in order to relock the bootloader.

tommoose said:
Could it have anything to do with lcd density setting
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Sorry, I don't even know what that is.

Logseman said:
A full flash with Flashtool will remove root, but your bootloader will keep open for good. You need a special package in order to relock the bootloader.
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Thanks for answering that, is it fairly easy to reinstall root once I restore? Alejandrissimo rooted my phone for me. Also, what is clockworkmod?

Lcd density is pretty much the screen resolution. When I messed about with mine I got the same sort of problem that you describe. Can be adjusted using ROM Toolbox in buildprop tweaks. Just had a look at mine and its set to 240. Might be worth having a look
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Lcd density is pretty much the screen resolution. When I messed about with mine I got the same sort of problem that you describe. Can be adjusted using ROM Toolbox in buildprop tweaks. Just had a look at mine and its set to 240. Might be worth having a look
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you fixed it!, thanks

That's awesime you fixed it! Thinking back mine did it to me after installing and playing with a lcd densuty app.
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XperianceIT said:
That's awesime you fixed it! Thinking back mine did it to me after installing and playing with a lcd densuty app.
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ya, was kinda depressing thinking that i had to do a full restore, i am using a stock rom even though i am unlocked and rooted. wondering if it is worth using cyanogenmod7? or should i wait for 9?

I think you're better off waiting for cm9 or see how the leaked ics rom turns out
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[Q] Having issues with launchers...

Just got my galaxy s3 today. Been messing with it sense. Unfortunately i've had issues with some launchers and I don't know why. Apex/Nova/Holo have all been giving issues in the terms of putting down Widgets at the home screen. All three will tell me that there isnt enough room on the page for the widget when that same page is completely blank.
Another issue i had was super lagginess. I haven't rooted yet because im still kinda noobish and i dont want to do anything derpy to the phone. And i wanted to give touchwiz at least a little bit of time. Aside from that though ive been installing and un-installing launchers like mad and im still getting a bit of lag from switching between pages for an example. Ive got scroll effects turned off and speed nearly all the way up (or low in Apex i think) and its still feeling sluggish.
Was wondering what recomendations you guys could give. Like i said i want to stay stock for a bit...at least until cm comes out

When you reboot the phone, do you get the prompt that asks you what program you want to use (for the launcher)? Select your desired launcher, and press Always.

Yea I get that option and ive placed it for my holo launcher but for whatever reason apex and nova were giving me issues like lag and starting to fc things. Was just curious if any one knewbl what was up. Any good launches you would recommend?
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Don't quote me on this but I believe you have to make launchers a system app if you want widgets to work correctly.
At least, that's what I heard. I could be wrong.
Its worth a try?
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I use nova on my phone and tab and have no issues. Might want to try and do a full wipe and start from scratch
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Yep, full wipe is my suggestion as well.

theexel said:
Don't quote me on this but I believe you have to make launchers a system app if you want widgets to work correctly.
At least, that's what I heard. I could be wrong.
Its worth a try?
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I use nova on my phone and tab and have no issues. Might want to try and do a full wipe and start from scratch
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Going to ask something slightly noobish but how do I make one of the launchers a system app? Im still stock at the moment so im trying to figure out whats going on.
I did a full wipe just now and its sill giving me issues that there isnt enough room on the page for the upload of the widget. All im trying to do is upload a stock digital clock widget and its giving me issues in both apex and holo. Is it because they might be touchwiz widgets and the launchers aren't recognizing them? I dont know if that could be the issue but like I said im still stock. Now that i look at it though I may have to root my phone sooner than I wanted. Been on battery for three hours and im already discharged at 51% grr..:crying:

rage913 said:
Going to ask something slightly noobish but how do I make one of the launchers a system app? Im still stock at the moment so im trying to figure out whats going on.
I did a full wipe just now and its sill giving me issues that there isnt enough room on the page for the upload of the widget. All im trying to do is upload a stock digital clock widget and its giving me issues in both apex and holo. Is it because they might be touchwiz widgets and the launchers aren't recognizing them? I dont know if that could be the issue but like I said im still stock. Now that i look at it though I may have to root my phone sooner than I wanted. Been on battery for three hours and im already discharged at 51% grr..:crying:
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Read this.
Q: I can't add widgets to my homescreen from the Widgets tab of the drawer. Help!
A: In order to use the in-drawer widgets feature, you have to either enable the Root Helper from advanced settings or install Apex Launcher as a system app (instructions below), both of which require root on your device. This is due to limitations of the Android framework, so there is no way we could change this requirement. If you have just installed it as a system app and still cannot add widgets from the drawer, please reboot your device and try again. If you do not have root access, you may still add widgets from the system widget picker. Just long press on the homescreen and choose "Widgets" from the popup list.
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