WP7 sparking the interest of people around me.

WP7 sparking the interest of people around me. - Windows Phone 7 General

Well I have been behind Windows for a very long time, I guess you can call me a fanboy. But Windows really appeals to me and my needs. Being an advocate for Windows I always talk to folks about WP7, personally I havent seen anybody in person besides myself with a WP7 device.
But a guy at my job went from an Iphone 3gs to a Droid x in which he hates. He wants to go back to iphone but of course i suggested WP7 and he was really interested. He thought it was only a few carriers but I had to inform him that all major carriers have WP7. My thought on this at Carriers arent promoting WP7 like I think they should, when I see these Carriers they are flooded with tons of Android devices, its like WP7 is like an after thought.
Another guy I work with has had every Iphone and swears by it but I defend Wp7 of course and he even agreed that he likes WP7 and seemed kinda worried that it may be better, but he also seemed interested in WP7, but everybody that complains about WP7 always goes back to Windows mobile and the App marketplace for WP7. I tell them dont worry it will soon catch up and surpass. WP7 is here to stay and overcome and take its original place back from these imitators. Windows is the originators of this game and they have to take this thing back over and surpass the competition.
But overall I love my DVP and WP7 its everything I want plus more. My wife is salty that my phone actually does what I want it to do instead of constant lock ups and device not working properly like her EVO. Nice device but not very appealing to me.
I know I sound like im rambling but I just had to state a few things to the WP7 public

I agree with what your saying regarding carriers not promoting windows phone 7 as i recently purchased a HD7 and upon doing so i went around to many Australian retailers and i was met with a lack if any knowledge about the windows phone operating system.
I think this can in part explains windows phone 7 sales that and there are no attractive windows phone 7 handsets in my opinion. The HD7 has a terrible screen and a useless and ugly kick stand and is very heavy. Aesthetics and industry design play a massive role in consumer behaviour, apple understands this and its part of the reason why apple really took off in the last few years. I think with the Nokia agreement the mango update and the potential of Samsung releasing a windows phone 7 device that looks like galaxy S 2 windows phone has the potential to flourish.

Yeah the WP7 UI really is great. Until you get bored with it looking the same, then there's nothing you can do except change phones.

leftspeaker2000 said:
I agree with what your saying regarding carriers not promoting windows phone 7 as i recently purchased a HD7 and upon doing so i went around to many Australian retailers and i was met with a lack if any knowledge about the windows phone operating system.
I think this can in part explains windows phone 7 sales that and there are no attractive windows phone 7 handsets in my opinion. The HD7 has a terrible screen and a useless and ugly kick stand and is very heavy. Aesthetics and industry design play a massive role in consumer behaviour, apple understands this and its part of the reason why apple really took off in the last few years. I think with the Nokia agreement the mango update and the potential of Samsung releasing a windows phone 7 device that looks like galaxy S 2 windows phone has the potential to flourish.
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Whether the design of a device matches ones personal taste or not is a question of what one likes or dislikes. I for one have an HD7 and love it. I don't share your opinion concerning the screen, weight or even the kickstand.
theo80 said:
Yeah the WP7 UI really is great. Until you get bored with it looking the same, then there's nothing you can do except change phones.
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What about iOS? Still looking the same after all those years. Nothing but a boring wall of icons. Still lots of people love it just the way it is. So it seems that not too many people really care about the customizability of a handset.

As the post above says.
If the UI works, why change it? Android's UI being so flexible just makes it a complete nightmare to use, and most people are never going to bother to put the time in to find the one widget that works out of the 1,000 that do the same job.
Everything comes back to: Users just want to be able to do the stuff they need to. If they can do that by default, no customisation is necessary.
theo80 said:
Yeah the WP7 UI really is great. Until you get bored with it looking the same, then there's nothing you can do except change phones.
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andrewkeith5 said:
As the post above says.
If the UI works, why change it? Android's UI being so flexible just makes it a complete nightmare to use, and most people are never going to bother to put the time in to find the one widget that works out of the 1,000 that do the same job.
Everything comes back to: Users just want to be able to do the stuff they need to. If they can do that by default, no customisation is necessary.
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I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.

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Well I have been behind Windows for a very long time, I advocate, I love my DVP and WP7 its everything I want plus my wife is salty, im rambling but I just had to state a few things to the public
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condensed, for levity.

doministry said:
I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.
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Funny I have opposite reaction. When I had my Iphone 3g and 3gs all I kept thinking of was Windows for Workgroups 3.11. Was going to get an Android to be a little different, saw that MS was changing. At first thought it was weird but after seeing a video I knew it was what I wanted. I am in the tech industry and have to deal with all the phones at work. Amazing how hard a time people have trying to get exchange email on their iphones, androids, and blackberries. For us who understand it is really easy

I was that close to purchasing an Android device last fall when I discovered WP7, although I wound up getting an android device free from T-mobile. But, it was indeed the UI that struck me. Actually, I don't even recall my exact moment of, "Hey. I want that."
But, the more I researched the more I knew that was where I was going, and the farther I moved away from the idea of Android. WP7 was new, fresh, and artfully done.
When I'm using my phone every single response I've ever gotten has been of the, "Wow! That's nice?! What kinda phone is that?" variety. Or, others saying, "Wow! That's that Windows Phone, huh?" It's the UI that gets them all.
Hell, I've even gotten T-mo and Verizon reps that gave me a, "Now that's cool!" after dogging the phone (WM) and then having an actual product demonstrated to them.
So, I would say that the vast majority of people acknowledge looks first. Whether it's a nice looking person, car, house, piece of jewelry, phone user interface, or what have you, our initial reactions are superficial. We gravitate towards things which are pleasing to the eye and WP7 is that for many people.
However, once we get past the "pretty" aspect it becomes about what lies underneath that appealing exterior. And, WP7 still holds up for the vast majority of folks who just want something that works and accomplishes everyday tasks with few headaches and/or hiccups.
I've already converted 7 people over to WP7 because of my phone. Might be 8. I'm not sure if my brother was gonna get one anyway or not.
But, agreed on the UI mention which of course leads to a great UX.

doministry said:
I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.
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wow that is the most illogical reasoning I have ever heard. So you are saying that iOS which is basically just a bluish static grid of icons and some glassy effects has tons of eye candy compared to WP7 with its elegant and yet lively interface. Just compare Apps such as MTV news, USA Today, Fox News with their iOS counterparts. And these are just v1 apps which will improve as devs get more comfortable with the design aesthetics of WP.

doministry said:
I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.
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I prefer the WP7 interface over the iPhone. I actually prefer my WM6.5 interface over the iPhone and WP7. At least with the WM6.5, you can change wallpapers.

dkp1977 said:
Whether the design of a device matches ones personal taste or not is a question of what one likes or dislikes. I for one have an HD7 and love it. I don't share your opinion concerning the screen, weight or even the kickstand.
What about iOS? Still looking the same after all those years. Nothing but a boring wall of icons. Still lots of people love it just the way it is. So it seems that not too many people really care about the customizability of a handset.
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They have Cydia that's why. Full customization. Look up Dreamboard. I mean you don't have to set anything up and bam your phone looks like HTC Sense, WP7, a Microsoft webpage, and much more. It's theming brought to it's utmost potential. Of course there are bugs since it is still in the early 1.xx stages. Installous.
I love my SGS II, 7 Launcher. Hehehe..
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Both iOS and Android are cool but can be boring. You may theme it to "look" like WP7 interface BUT you still miss the big deals like integration, unified apps, and live tiles.

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BUT you still miss the big deals like integration, unified apps, and live tiles.
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and also perfect fludity ...

I have used the iPhone for a long time. And now have used android for a long time. Love flashing new roms and customizing. Hated windows mobile. To many menus and laggy. But I played with the HTC arrive, and loved it! Ever time I go to the sprint store, I go straight to it. When the new super phones come out with mango, I may have to switch.
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Oh, this is where the android fanboys went...

Wow, I've been reading through this forum after receiving my second WP7 device. I was an avid android user and built my own custom roms on there and never once did I come across one thing (despite people like Cyanogenmod who do amazing things) that ever came close to comparing the feel and the general UI of windows phone 7. Yes, android is great in the gaming department and being able to get ANY app free was nice but that novelty wears off and then what do you have except an ugly UI that's laggy and overdone. The multiple launchers were not a bad thing either, too bad almost all of them seemed like distros of eachother with one or two extra features. The best one I stumbled across was windows phone android which was a slow boring cheap imitation of the windows phone 7 metro UI. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the best android can do. Really, should you base an entire UI on the fact that the game developers have invested more into android in 2 years than they have in WP7 in 3 months? We've progressed exponentially faster than android in these 3 months and are continuing to snowball. Oh, but you cant copy and paste or use your phone as a USB drive? Well, who needs to, I don't use my phone as a thumb drive, I have an 8 dollar flash drive for that. I use it as a multimedia device with live streaming video, slacker radio, and zune player, I use it as a camera with a quick draw camera that can go from locked to camera mode in the time it takes to pull it from your pocket. I use it as a web browsing device with a browser that despite the lack of flash has already functioned on more websites than androids ever did for me. I use it for gaming, seamless gaming, we may not have the quantity of games yet but I've always been a firm believer in quality over quantity. And most of all I use it as a phone, beautiful dialer, clear sound, and no hanging up with my face. I'm sorry that I dont have to use my phone as a disk drive, I dont find it necessary to put a new rom on my phone every 30 minutes just to get my phone fully functional. I have no need for it when I can just copy my multimedia files over. Copy and paste on a phone? Really how lazy are you... I mean seriously it's not hard to type and if you're handling word documents on your phone then let me introduce you to a laptop, it's portable and you dont have to look like a douchebag for typing on it for long periods of time. I do not get the hostility towards WP7 users aside from the fact that we are an obvious threat to that niche android has carved itself amongst the low-end device world. Android was great as a low-end device but I wanted to move on up to something a little more adult.

To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device. Diving even further into the matter, calling an open source platform anything short of amazing in today's society would be an understatment. To bash the flow of custom roms present on android is to say you don't expect more out of belittled hardware your holding in your very hands. Your saying having the same old ui on every windows phone 7 device you hold isn't a waste of perfectly capable hardware? You also argue android phones are limited to flashing custom roms to get the most out of your phone. Hmm..I know plenty of satisfied people, including my own mother, who are perfectly happy with their android phone stock. Bashing custom roms like they're a bad thing is destroying the foundation xda devlopers is even built on, it's heart and soul. We get it your happy with your purchase, cool. Move on with life no need to share your opinion on an openminded forum filled with trolls and geeks willing to dispute their case over and over and over. In all seriousness the Zune HD interface was mind-blowing, a phone based on that, again amazing. The thing that drags most every amazing ui and platform down is it not being open.
You also admitted to pirating apps in writing, and bashed custom roms you created? Hm..

bubby323 said:
To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device.
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.

z33dev33l said:
more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...

N8ter said:
Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
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Thanks for your input, as a once vibrant user I do apologize for any loss of sanity that may occur. The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.

I'm looking at other phones to get rid of this one at the moment.
I'm even considering a Blackberry Bold 9780, that's how terrible my experience with this phone is.
After CES if nothing spectacular is coming out I'll open another line and then sell this one to ETF the other line, but keep my current SIM card (changing phone numbers yet again... will anger many people I know ).
I'm keeping up on WP7 because I like that they double up as Zune HDs. Unfortunately I don't think the devices out right now really scratch my itch.
My coworkers all hate me for getting Android phones banned on our Exchange server after I lost my first Vibrant and IT found out they didn't support Remote Wipe :<

Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.

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Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
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Hrm, maybe I'll try to strike a deal on Craigslist or something. I have an extra HD2 lying around I can probably score a deal on, especially with the Android NAND project delivering a functional ROM for that phone... I've never tried Android on that phone, but I guess it's pretty popular these days (especially since the last week ro so)!

z33dev33l said:
The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.
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Couldn't disagree more. From an everyday use point of view the galaxy s beats wp7 hands down. My wife disagrees of course - she loves her Optimus 7 (save for the lack of turn by turn nav). Point is everyone has different expectations from there phone.
Surely a "grown up" wp7 user like yourself can understand that .
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z33dev33l said:
more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Are there a lot of adults out there who feel the need to carry their Xbox avatars in their pockets?
Because according to Microsoft's own ad campaign, playing Xbox games without getting in trouble is the "best" part of the phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvPQHZDOs
How adult.

@Radeon, I completely agree on the part where each of us have different needs, my comment was more directed at the hostility surrounding our forum by android users. If I wanted to attack an OS without reason I'd hit iphone.
@Greenbird, I've stated time and time again that Microsofts ad-campaign managers need to be taken out back and bludgeoned to death with iphones (so that garbage can get some kind of use) My original impression of the HD7 thanks to them was, "Oh joy, It's a 4.3 inch screen and 1 gHz processor that is meant to be taken out of my pocket for about 5 seconds to swipe and check my updates then go. It seemed completely impractical. They undersell the UI in every ad and it's completely nonsensical. I do enjoy the occasional game of fruit ninja but I can honestly say this is the only phone ive had since before Windows mobile 2003 that I didnt feel it was necessary for me to install third party apps to make the phone great.

You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.

thesecondsfade said:
You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LMAO, seriously. These kiddies came flying out of the gates to defend their beloved wack OS.

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I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.

greenbrd said:
LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
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nah, more like we don't have to tweak and cook roms just to make our phones work "ok" much less at an optimized pace like WP7 phones operate at. If I still want to tweak I have my WM6.5 device. But no thanks, finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)

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finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?

Everyone has their own expectation for their daily use phone. Some only want to use the phone to make calls and SMS, some might use the phone to its full potential like email, surf, social networking and even games.
But there is an important fact that we need to aware of, there are phone savvy users and "idiot" users. A savvy user will expect more from their daily used phone and they will never satisfy with the performance of the phone. A very good example, i have both Galaxy S and Omnia 7. The problem is i am always looking forward in flashing new ROMs for my Galaxy S in order to achieve better performance. I would say its a never ending story until nobody releases new ROMs. For non savvy user, they will never know what's good or bad, as long as they can make calls and SMS, they will be satisfied. Most importantly, a 70 year old user is also able to adapt to the phone easily.
Therefore, i would say MS has done a good job in WP7, a very solid platform. No whatsoever performance issue. Hence its definitely a very powerful platform catering to non savvy user.

It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.

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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?
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And Android does what? Pirated apps, Wifi hotspot and plenty of lags and crashes? I'm duly impressed.

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It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
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+1. The dev. support that Android has it what makes it MUCH better than it is in stock form. WM6 has more capabilities than Android, just less developer support and worse advertising. Android phones got great hype from Verizon (the Droids) and T-Mobile, so that's where it won half the battle; by getting people excited for it. And yet WM6.5 devices can still own Android devices in every way possible. Does the general public know this? Nope...they just buy what they're told like the sheep they are.

[Q] How do you feel about Wp7?

iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
How do you like Wp7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
Will Wp7 be favored by the business community considering it has "word" and "office"?
How do you feel about the Nokia/MS joint venture?
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?

Wp7 not wm7. As far as I'm concerned IOS and Android are dated by comparison and have nothing new to offer. Neither of them has had anything updated worth speaking about since 3.0 on IOS or eclair on Android. Wp7 is refreshing after seeing phone oses get sold solely by hardware or advertisements. Gingerbread was essentially a glorified pallet swap and 4.0 pretty much just created fragmentation and added face time. They're out of ideas, Android relies solely on OEM business and IOS will just steal any idea from the next competitor and act as though its innovation.

There is no more WM, WP7 is a new system.
Although it's not bug free and missing some important features, I do love my Windows Phone
It's as smooth as iOS while more vivid (Dynamic Desktop).
Also three hard keys is more comfortable to me.
Not sure how you feel about the endless ROM update of Galaxy S, at least you dont have to deals with lag or fragile system files. No battery drain or GPS tweak. All features work fine on stock.
Cannot predict the future but turn to WP7 is a good move of Nokia, hope their device come out soon.

j3ffmcl34n said:
(Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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yea I cant wait to play Modern Warfare 7 too

j3ffmcl34n said:
iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
How do you like WP7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
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Its not too simple. iOS is too simple. I came from BB to iPhone to Android and now on wp7. And as somebody already stated, Android & iPhone feel somehow....primitive? Its a wierd concept, and I have to give MS a lot of credit here. Always liked their zune/metro UI and the phone is quite the breath of fresh air. The way you interact [through] the interface is untouchable by anything else to me. Its a very simple design, but it feels very engaging and satisfying, while remaining very quick to accomplish tasks ect. It really is like the commercials say: a phone to save us from our phones. Although you could easily get lost in the Xbox Live/games integration
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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As a techie/geek, I like to always look at what else is out there, and have tried most platforms at least for awhile (including webOS ect). I don't think it will overtake anything in the near future, but I do think over the next 12-18 months it will no longer be easy to ignore (kind of like what happened to android). After the Nokia announcement especially I think that it will grow quite rapidly. The OS is the first released OS that has felt more solid/responsive than the iOS. The tiles didn't appeal to me at first glance but you just gotta play with it once, and yer hooked.
Android is really nice and powerful, and fun to tinker with, but it still feels sort of half baked, and glued together. Even on the highest end devices it never quite felt professional. And I'm still a big fan of it just because I like to tinker and play with my UI's sometimes. However, after using wp7 for only a few days, its really hard to go back and play with my nexus one.
I also think you will see more professional looking & functioning apps compared to Android. This is something only controlled OS platforms can really benefit from, and why iOS has so many great looking apps, and why they all seem to function so well within the OS. Its easier for developers to create high functioning apps with a great UI when the phones aren't all over the place in skins, UI versions, Hardware types, API's used ect. I have apps on my wp7 that look better than anything I've seen on any other platform already (check out Cocktail Flow if you get a wp7 phone). There are some EXCELLENT apps on android, but for every one of those, there are 5,000 crappy ones that look and feel like they were designed by a couple of real life monkeys, and only serve to add to the ever-so-slight lag of the non-graphic accelerated OS.
Because it will be better for developers, I think that will also make it better for consumers.
Will WP7 be favored by the business community considering it has "word" and "office"?
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Not "favored" in the near term as most power windows users will stick to WM6.5 as it is more feature laden. wp7 is brand new, and as such is missing quite a few more in depth features. Many of these will be addressed over 2011. Once wp7 has been out for awhile and has the power WM has, then I would say yes it will be very attractive to business/power users. The Office integration is very good although still with a few issues.
Although the current implementation is still more powerful than what iOS and Android have for MS documents. And the One Note integration is tops.
How do you feel about the Nokia/MS joint venture?
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
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I personally was very happy about this. I think HTC, Samsung, LG ect all make good handsets, but Nokia has a great track record of creating very high quality and reliable handsets; and their integrated services (ovi maps ect) are extremely powerful and accurate, and will be a HUGE asset for anybody wanting a wp7 phone. Nokias huge global reach will help wp7 grow quickly, and also force the other manufacturers to start taking their wp7 arms seriously, instead of forcing all their attention on their Android lineups.
Once they announced this partnership, in the wp7 world, **** basically got real. A lot of people were mad, but I see this as a huge benefit to both companies, and especially the potential and current customers of wp7. The other manufacturers will also need to up their game on their wp7 handsets if they don't want to look like a bargain basement alternative to what Nokia can produce.

j3ffmcl34n said:
iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
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Happy iPhone 4 user here - also an HTC HD7 and HTC HD2
How do you like Wp7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
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I love WP7. It's so refined. It's so refined that it feels luxurious. The keyboard...at least on my HD7...is second to none. The screen transitions and animations are second to none. The auto-rotation is the best there is. I especially love IE.
WP7 is just a pure pleasure to use. I'm glad to have it.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
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WP7 doesn't yet have all of the features those others have, but it does have a solid and perfectly function core system. I love my new iPhone, It's probably the best system ever created. It exudes quality through and through. But I feel WP7 is smoother and cleaner in general operation of the core system. Right now, the apps can't yet compare to what the iPhone offers.
As for Android...It's a perfectly fine system that lacks the refinement of either the iPhone or WP7. I use Android on my HD2 and love it in that context. I don't believe I could bring myself to actually buy an Android phone, though, over iPhone or WP7. I was considering the new and unreleased Motorola Atrix 4G for all the new tech and power. But having Android, I was like...meh...and went for the older tech iPhone 4. That's how I feel about Android. It's just not impressive enough to warrant a phone purchase. But I do love it on my HD2.
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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I see WP7 as serious challenger to iPhone. Its core system already outshines iOS in general user experience and quality of operation. That isn't to say WP7 is perfect. Right now it has a few glaring bugs. If MS deals with the bugs and adds the features, it has the potential to dethrone iPhone for best phone. That is, if MS can keep up the system quality and tightly control provider hardware quality.
Will Wp7 be favored by the business community considering it has "word" and "office"?
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I have no view on this.
How do you feel about the Nokia/MS joint venture?
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It's a genuinely positive sign for good things to come for WP7. I'm a little concerned about the freedom Nokia has with WP7; what they will do. But hardware-wise, I think MS hit the jackpot.
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
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Time will tell. The potential is there, but what Nokia does with its freedom of customization with WP7 is the key.

WP7 is definately a contender. I think it will take the smartphone scne by storm here in the next two years. Microsoft have finally caught on and know what they have to do. They seem to be sticking to it, we just have to sit back and watch. OS seems very solid. A few bugs but thats expected. As far as iOS and Android is concerned, they are abou the same Android is just more open than iOS.
But WP7 is only going forward not to say the other OS' arent. But im sure WP will excel past the competitors once they work out the bugs.

So an OS can be dated when it offers more? When it's already more refined and feature friendly as opposed to flashy and user friendly?
WP7 has potential ... but it amazes me how some folks ignore the obvious and talk up something while talking down something more proven.
To suggest that iOS and Android is, somehow, more "primitive" is sort of laughable. WP7 still has hope .. its been lackluster and unimpressive so far, however. The masses have spoken. I still think 2011 could he huge for the platform ... but a lot has to happen. Directly with WP7 and with not .... speficially outside factors. People don't seem to be letting up on Android ... iOS still the defacto end result .... but WP7 is sorta like the Wii ... the idea is there ... it might even end up outselling everyone .... but it's just different. Honestly feels like a last gen experience ... and not somethng catered to adults. No matter how smooth things can be at times. The Live business is really nothing more than a selling point ... and not a good one at that. Hype, for the kids.
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Microsoft have laid an impressive foundation stone with WP7, the UI oozes quality and professionalism, I am only waiting for one more feature (skydrive document sync) which I will get this year. Beyond that, my HD7 fully meets my own particular needs fully right now. I have used Android and always thought it was very similar to WM6.5, my HTC Desire was very laggy and bombed out on me twice with corrupt SD card problems, losing all my data (despite using the best quality 16Gb cards I could find). I also found that over time, the Desire got very laggy unless you really kept on top of what was running in the background meaning frequent soft resets, in comparison, I never feel the need to reset my HD7 (it has reset itself a couple of times, but hey WP7 is brand new!!).
I have not used Iphones much but I do have an Ipad, which is OK but iOS just feels a little dated to me. As for the Nokia thing, I am hoping for some really top of the line industrial design from them, all being well I fully expect to be using a Microkia WP7 phone this time next year!

Not quite ready for prime time...
I think it's half-baked. Not quite ready for prime time. I've been using Windows Mobile or whatever iteration it was in 2002 for a long time and I feel like they've taken one step forward and two steps back with this OS.
Cartoonish, is a good way of putting it. Hopefully, some d**k doesn't tell me to piss-off because of my dissent, as happened to me here earlier this week!
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I think it's half-baked. Not quite ready for prime time. I've been using Windows Mobile or whatever iteration it was in 2002 for a long time and I feel like they've taken one step forward and two steps back with this OS.
Cartoonish, is a good way of putting it. Hopefully, some d**k doesn't tell me to piss-off because of my dissent, as happened to me here earlier this week!
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Agreed, and Microsoft's glacial pace of development doesn't help things, nor does their backpedaling on the update process. After I got screwed on yet another trash WM device that was never going to see bug fixes or updates I vowed I'd never again waste my money on WM and I didn't, getting several other devices instead. The biggest selling point for WP7 was that Microsoft would push updates and any user could get them. Then it's no, that's not entirely true. The carrier can block an update if they want to but Microsoft will push the next one through whether the carrier likes it or not. Which we all know will never fly because the carriers have, can and will make stuff up to achieve their aims and since Microsoft has already caved once, they'll cave again and again until, just like bad old days, every device gets one update that may or may not do anything relevant and we all get to sit around and wonder if we should wait or cut our losses and get something else that actually works. Being a Focus owner and given that Microsoft has annouced that there won't be any updates worth talking about until at least the 2nd half of 2011, I wonder that now. Think the Focus will be relevant by the time multitasking is available or will it be "incapable of running the latest system"? I'd say it's about 50/50 given the track records of everyone involved, including Samsung who has an even WORSE record for updates than Microsoft. This isn't some two-bit mom & pop dev shop located above the pizza place on the boardwalk, it's freaking Microsoft and they have what, 4 guys working on this on the days when two of them aren't working on Foxpro? Sure seems that way and I'm tired of reading all the half baked excuses from anyone and everyone who thinks they have a clue about what Microsoft does. This is a company with some of the best minds in the industry and billions of dollars and they're utterly incapable of doing anything that matters in a timely fashion because "they've been burned in the past so they're planning their steps carefully"? Give me a break! WM died years ago, if this system is "just a couple months old" like I keep reading, what were they doing for the past, oh, 3 or 4 years? You know, while iPhone and Android utterly consumed the entire smartphone market and Android became, and remains for the foreseeable future, the best heir to Windows Mobile? That's right, nothing. "Microsoft: Think Nothing"

What some 6.5 advocates fail to realize is that WP7 allows all its features (even if you consider it to be lacking) to be functional. WM6.x was so unreliable, and unresponsive at times, that sure, it had the features... But you couldn't run most of them without the OS crashing... You had to flash a ROM just to fix a feature... Yeah we got to the point of automating the cab installs, but the OS was far behind in terms of usage. So, I think WP7 is the definite step in the right direction, not two steps back, but leaps forward.

WP7 is better than Windows Mobile.

If you look at my previous posts I am been a regular basher of WP7 for last 4 months.. but now that I bought one and see everything in it, I think its an excellent interface and a great piece of innovative technology that surpasses Android and Iphone at many levels. I dont even have the Nodo update yet on my phone, but I still love this phone more than anything other I have ever used. Great piece of technology, Zune Pass, Marketplace and all Microsoft services run very smooth and just perfect.
I love how quickly I can switch back from Application to another with such a ease. Its great for Multi-tasking. Microsoft has also added little things which makes its very comfortable to use, like when I plug out the earphones, the music player automatically stops and dosents star blaring in phone speakers.
The proximity sensors on Samsung Omnia 7 works great with no fail. So no more of me accidentally taping on screen while on call.. its very handy, every touch phone should have it.
Everything on Windows Phone is smooth and bug free.
It has made buying so easy by billing it straight to my AtnT bill, that I no longer bother to get a 'crack' file and just buy the software if I like the trial. Gone is the software piracy problem, it will kill websites like ppcwarez...
Listening, exploring and buying music is such a nice experience, nothing like that exists in Windows Mobile and could not have been implemented using that platform.
Microsoft did a great work on Windows Phone and I have found new respect for people working their. Congratulations and Thank You.
PS - If only I could disable the Search Button sometimes and had a little longer battery life it would be great.

The shiny will wear off soon enough.
Both have their place, but WM is a bit more flexible and more universally useful ATM, especially an HTC Sense WM device like the HD2.
IMO.

what i liked about windows mobile is whats preventing me from saying wp7 is better.
I know the ui is much more smoother and lag free but i miss being able to wifi tether, use my device as a usb mass storage device, and being able to download albums, rar files, and everything from the web to my storage card on the go and update my library all without the use of a computer, i dont like how wp7 is dependent upon the computer like the iphone is. And i like being able to use the file explorer on windows mobile to manage my files.
i love wp7 and im getting one as soon as verizon launches it but those are some key features that are slightly holding wp7 back

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what i liked about windows mobile is whats preventing me from saying wp7 is better.
I know the ui is much more smoother and lag free but i miss being able to wifi tether, use my device as a usb mass storage device, and being able to download albums, rar files, and everything from the web to my storage card on the go and update my library all without the use of a computer, i dont like how wp7 is dependent upon the computer like the iphone is. And i like being able to use the file explorer on windows mobile to manage my files.
i love wp7 and im getting one as soon as verizon launches it but those are some key features that are slightly holding wp7 back
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Then you need to remember one thing, Microsoft has upgraded WM 6.5 though several years. So what do you expect on the OS that has just been published for about few months?
Now is time for Microsoft to listen to their user and consider about it. Mango Update look quite bright to me...

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If you look at my previous posts I am been a regular basher of WP7 for last 4 months.. but now that I bought one and see everything in it, I think its an excellent interface and a great piece of innovative technology that surpasses Android and Iphone at many levels.
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But you haven't OWNED a android phone or a current iphone.
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I dont even have the Nodo update yet on my phone, but I still love this phone more than anything other I have ever used.
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You state in another post you have been using a 4 or 5 year old winmo phone followed by an old clamshell for 1 year.
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Great piece of technology, Zune Pass, Marketplace and all Microsoft services run very smooth and just perfect.
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Are you sure this time? I'ld hate for you to change your mind AGAIN
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I love how quickly I can switch back from Application to another with such a ease. Its great for Multi-tasking. Microsoft has also added little things which makes its very comfortable to use, like when I plug out the earphones, the music player automatically stops and dosents star blaring in phone speakers.
The proximity sensors on Samsung Omnia 7 works great with no fail. So no more of me accidentally taping on screen while on call.. its very handy, every touch phone should have it.
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Most modern smart phones have working proximity sensors and music player/headset settings
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Everything on Windows Phone is smooth and bug free.
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if you consider a half finished operating system bug free... by all means
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It has made buying so easy by billing it straight to my AtnT bill, that I no longer bother to get a 'crack' file and just buy the software if I like the trial. Gone is the software piracy problem, it will kill websites like ppcwarez...
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PRAISE THE LORD, he has seen the light, The sinner has been redeemed. WP7 Set him straight and it can work for you too. Nothing more heartwarming than a indecisive ex pirate leech turn over a new leaf simply beacuse he is too lazy/unable to find cracked software for his device. MOAR MORAL LESSONS PLEASE
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Listening, exploring and buying music is such a nice experience, nothing like that exists in Windows Mobile and could not have been implemented using that platform.
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Thanks for your educated opinion. No way were there ever marketplaces for Winmo...... Except for the fact theree was. And yes installing .cab files was so difficult, If you were inept.
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Microsoft did a great work on Windows Phone and I have found new respect for people working their. Congratulations and Thank You.
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How heartwarming. well WP7 fanbois your stuck with it now. Try show it an iphone, it'll prob fall in love with that and leave you guys alone.
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PS - If only I could disable the Search Button sometimes and had a little longer battery life it would be great.
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BUT U SAYD NO BUGZ LOLZ :cry

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But you haven't OWNED a android phone or a current iphone.
You state in another post you have been using a 4 or 5 year old winmo phone followed by an old clamshell for 1 year.
Are you sure this time? I'ld hate for you to change your mind AGAIN
Most modern smart phones have working proximity sensors and music player/headset settings
if you consider a half finished operating system bug free... by all means
PRAISE THE LORD, he has seen the light, The sinner has been redeemed. WP7 Set him straight and it can work for you too. Nothing more heartwarming than a indecisive ex pirate leech turn over a new leaf simply beacuse he is too lazy/unable to find cracked software for his device. MOAR MORAL LESSONS PLEASE
Thanks for your educated opinion. No way were there ever marketplaces for Winmo...... Except for the fact theree was. And yes installing .cab files was so difficult, If you were inept.
How heartwarming. well WP7 fanbois your stuck with it now. try show it an iphone itll prob fall in love with that and leave you guys alone.
BUT U SAYD NO BUGZ LOLZ :cry
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Hahaha it was fun to read.

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...but now that I bought one and see everything in it, I think its an excellent interface and a great piece of innovative technology that surpasses Android and Iphone at many levels...
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Agreed... I saw YouTube vids on the first looks at WP7 and thought it looked dull and boring, but after flashing my HD2, the phone is now slick, smooth, alive... I notice everything I do is quicker...
I show my iGroan and Haemorrhoid mates the bing search, pizza, pick a store, get directions... Blows them away!

hungry81 is right in what he's saying.
If you make a new OS, its all about to add new stuff, and update the old stuff, but without quitting anything!!!!
Like windows did, take a look at it, in Win7 we actually have DOS, and the very old win95 Theme, with a very good backward compatibility.
Thats a good job, and I was hoping that microsoft would go on with this positive actitude in mobile devices.
But no, they quit almost everything, everything that made WM so great and different from any other dumbass users OS like Iphone and Blackberry.
And you can't say that's only because the system is new, because as I read in this forum, WP7 is based on windows CE like WM, so nothing revolutionary.
you absolutely can't give props to the marketplace!
With my WM, I go to the internet site or eMule and download every App I need, without having problems to find them with very much good freeware.
With the Marketplace, almost every App has a price, maybe little, but I don't like to pay for something that in the previous platform was for free.
So why does WP7 fail in almost every aspect??? I'm shure, its because they want to stop piracy, so they quit almost every bridge to it (I can't find any other explanation).
No filesystem, no registry editor, no custom setups and even no flash in IE.
Now the biggest question: why do I own a WP7???? The answer is, because Iphone is to expensive and It sucks even more, Blackberry and nokia are not made for such multimedia, and Android, its more like a fashion, maybe its here today but not tomorrow, and WM 6,5 is no longer supported by new apps.
I hope, WP7 will start to live, will get better, and more user-friendly with better Apps support, downloadable directly from the internet site.
My biggest fear, is that what happened to WM, will happen to our main computer, in Windows 8

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hungry81 is right in what he's saying.
If you make a new OS, its all about to add new stuff, and update the old stuff, but without quitting anything!!!!
Like windows did, take a look at it, in Win7 we actually have DOS, and the very old win95 Theme, with a very good backward compatibility.
Thats a good job, and I was hoping that microsoft would go on with this positive actitude in mobile devices.
But no, they quit almost everything, everything that made WM so great and different from any other dumbass users OS like Iphone and Blackberry.
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You know what happens to companies that make products that have all these wonderful features that nerds/geeks/techies love but no one else does?
I guess it is to be expected on a geek website that many members are upset with Windows Mobile going from a toolbox to a box of crayons, but somewhere along the way you should be forward-thinking enough to see it had to be done.
When it all boils down to it, in general iOS is better than all the other mobile OSes. Not because it can be more or do more, but because it is the most popular. Imagine if iOS came on several different handsets. So it is not for every specific person but in general it is well suited for most people.
Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'. Microsoft moved on, and I think everyone else should. Some people come into the Windows Mobile forum on a daily basis only intent on bashing the system. Microsoft wants Windows Phone to be the next iOS, not the next Android. Restrictions down to the number of physical buttons, no intended removable storage, and Zune dependent.
And you know the writing is on the wall for Android. What happens when more and more new devices come out with locked bootloaders? What happens when Google starts to tighten up the controls in the system? Business is about being a copycat. 10% innovation, 90% follow the leader.

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You know what happens to companies that make products that have all these wonderful features that nerds/geeks/techies love but no one else does?
I guess it is to be expected on a geek website that many members are upset with Windows Mobile going from a toolbox to a box of crayons, but somewhere along the way you should be forward-thinking enough to see it had to be done.
When it all boils down to it, in general iOS is better than all the other mobile OSes. Not because it can be more or do more, but because it is the most popular. Imagine if iOS came on several different handsets. So it is not for every specific person but in general it is well suited for most people.
Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'. Microsoft moved on, and I think everyone else should. Some people come into the Windows Mobile forum on a daily basis only intent on bashing the system. Microsoft wants Windows Phone to be the next iOS, not the next Android. Restrictions down to the number of physical buttons, no intended removable storage, and Zune dependent.
And you know the writing is on the wall for Android. What happens when more and more new devices come out with locked bootloaders? What happens when Google starts to tighten up the controls in the system? Business is about being a copycat. 10% innovation, 90% follow the leader.
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hey man you got me wrong. Read accurately.
Microsoft HAD to move to that "innovating" platform, but without quitting the old one.
giving some kind of connection to the old windows mobile options.
So everyone would be happy, the new bunch of stupid IOS-cloned users, and the old freaky nerds
but I'm shure, its for some anti-piracy reason...

One of the reasons why this WP7 is not selling so well
Is it is limited in many areas.

another thing that I didn't mention, is that everyone is saying that WP7 is so easy to use.
I don't like that interface.
I'll tell you why.
I updated from WM6.1 to WM6.5 and I must say, I hated that start menu so much that I went back to WM6.1
Ok, perhaps it's fingerfriendly, for some unsensible fingers.
but I had a hard and frustrating time, finding my apps and setups.
That's because there is no folder rule, something that made so popular windows OS
Same problem has Iphone and Android, and finally WP7.
It may be easy to use if yo have less than 10 apps, but imagine having 30 apps and scrolling like a fool to find your app, that's mixed with the other phone icons.
I'm not an Apps fan, and I always try to have less apps than possible.
But I like it organized, with some folder-gerachy.
Android its scary, its desktop is full of apps icons one time I was 5 minutes searching for the Cam without finding anything. so I let it.
I know everyone is thinking the same, and I don't know why there's people who say that WP7 is cool and the new wave of mobile-OS are the future.
Maybe they have to give a sense to their spent money, or to the fact, that possibly there will be no go back to previous cool features and improvements of WM6.1

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One of the reasons why this WP7 is not selling so well
Is it is limited in many areas.
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I dont think so, I think the reason why maybe its not selling so well is simply because many people are afraid to switch to their trusted Android or Iphone platform to something which is relativly new. But trust me, once they Windows Phone 7 Interface they will never go back.. I have never owned one Iphone or Android phone, but all my friends have them and they all borrow it to me for weeks because I am more tech saavy than them and I load usefull apps for them , so I pretty much know and have tested Iphone and Android at length.. but WP7 is nothing like that..
All my friends who borrowed me their Android and Iphones before now see my WP7 and the smoothness in WP7 and they all just want to instantly switch.. One just need to see it for more than 20 mins in a showroom and actually use the device for a week to see how good WP7 is compared to WM6.5, Iphone or Android.

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.. Blows them away!
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My WP totally blows all my Iphone and Android users.. they are like 'WTF!!?? This is so nice.:

Lol at this thread... OP, you're entirely right, and it is a wonderful OS. It can only improve from here.
And at the usual people I won't even call by name... Go get some sun on your skins.

The King has no clothes on, http://tinyurl.com/687omad
I sold my WP7 for £300 poor poor beta OS, dual booting my HD2, WM6.5 and Android Gingerbread best of both worlds.

rhory said:
I sold my WP7 for £300
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man, you are a lucky guy........or have you LOST 300????

XxAndrexX said:
another thing that I didn't mention, is that everyone is saying that WP7 is so easy to use.
I don't like that interface.
I'll tell you why.
I updated from WM6.1 to WM6.5 and I must say, I hated that start menu so much that I went back to WM6.1
Ok, perhaps it's fingerfriendly, for some unsensible fingers.
but I had a hard and frustrating time, finding my apps and setups.
That's because there is no folder rule, something that made so popular windows OS
Same problem has Iphone and Android, and finally WP7.
It may be easy to use if yo have less than 10 apps, but imagine having 30 apps and scrolling like a fool to find your app, that's mixed with the other phone icons.
I'm not an Apps fan, and I always try to have less apps than possible.
But I like it organized, with some folder-gerachy.
Android its scary, its desktop is full of apps icons one time I was 5 minutes searching for the Cam without finding anything. so I let it.
I know everyone is thinking the same, and I don't know why there's people who say that WP7 is cool and the new wave of mobile-OS are the future.
Maybe they have to give a sense to their spent money, or to the fact, that possibly there will be no go back to previous cool features and improvements of WM6.1
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Well Android supports folders.

Purple11 said:
I dont think so, I think the reason why maybe its not selling so well is simply because many people are afraid to switch to their trusted Android or Iphone platform to something which is relativly new. But trust me, once they Windows Phone 7 Interface they will never go back.. I have never owned one Iphone or Android phone, but all my friends have them and they all borrow it to me for weeks because I am more tech saavy than them and I load usefull apps for them , so I pretty much know and have tested Iphone and Android at length.. but WP7 is nothing like that..
All my friends who borrowed me their Android and Iphones before now see my WP7 and the smoothness in WP7 and they all just want to instantly switch.. One just need to see it for more than 20 mins in a showroom and actually use the device for a week to see how good WP7 is compared to WM6.5, Iphone or Android.
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Well definitely there will be many users loving WP7 look and feel.
For me it was opposite - I fell in love once I unboxed it but after 3 months I was having enough of limitations plus honestly UI of WP7 is dead boring after 3 months, some tiles are so horribly unappealing. It seems sometimes like a sketch not finished UI.
But this is taste and individual feeling. Many users will catch it. People I know were not appealed at all. So it's very individual.
And I have no idea in what sense WP7 is "so good" compared to Android or iOS.
I didn't find any real reason.

doministry said:
Well definitely there will be many users loving WP7 look and feel.
For me it was opposite - I fell in love once I unboxed it but after 3 months I was having enough of limitations plus honestly UI of WP7 is dead boring after 3 months, some tiles are so horribly unappealing. It seems sometimes like a sketch not finished UI.
But this is taste and individual feeling. Many users will catch it. People I know were not appealed at all. So it's very individual.
And I have no idea in what sense WP7 is "so good" compared to Android or iOS.
I didn't find any real reason.
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There is little if any innovation in WP7. People Hub as already done in TouchWiz. All of the Social integration is pretty much same ole same ole. Apple already had GameCenter. Apple has iPod (i.e. Zune) and you could get All-You-Can-Eat music from services like Rhapsody on other platforms.
Office isn't innovative because ThinkFree and other apps have comparable functionality and integration in other platforms. Also, Office has been in Windows Mobile since 2002 or so... The functionality of Outlook/Office going from WM to WP7 has actually been downgraded quite a lot. For example, WP7 doesn't support Exchange Tasks and the calendar is, IMO, worse...
Nothing great about Push Notifications which are worse and more volatile than any other platform that offers them.
Tiles and Live Tiles are just Widgets with a different look and feel.
Microsoft didn't really innovate any much moving from WM to WP7, and the base OS is still Windows CE. They used Silverlight as a way to decouple the UX from the base OS, but they released it before it was finished (hence why there are 1.5k APIs keeping apps off the platform coming with Mango).
How well WP7 does depends solely on how Android and iOS develop going into the future.
Nokia will help MS but Google has way more manufacturers and Apple will continue to do well building their own handset. Also, with Nokia somewhat abandoning Symbian a lot of their users will jump to Android because WP7 does not have functionality on par with BB/WM/Symbian to allow them to migrade decently form Symbian to WP7. Nokia cannot do that without reworking a bit of the OS and I doubt Microsoft will want them to diverge so far from the reference implementation.
I think in 2010 they lost bigtime because they didn't live up to the hype. The carriers still have as much control over WP7 as they do with Android, and their update system is still only on par with Android and much worse than iOS. In addition, the launch hardware is rather poor and with the i5 coming out soon after Mango, and Android Manufacturers pushing the button (not to mention Google making some pretty good changes in their OS latesly - free Voice/Video Chat in Google Talk?! We don't even have a WLM and it's not slated to even come with Mango!) it will be hard for them to persuade switches. In addition to that, the pitiful state of RTM WP7 has already made them a laughing stock on many tech blogs and among users. They should have waited, IMO.
People who have Android phones won't tell their friends to get WP7 devices because of Google Talk/Services. People with iOS devices will likely push that. People with Blackberries will recommend Blackberries because of BBM, etc. People with WP7 devices are generally on the fence and many are lamenting the purchase. The OS is so functionally thin, and even will still be compared to iOS/Android with Mango, that it's really hard to enjoy it. Android Manufacturers are already getting better with Updates (Samsung leading the pack, suprisingly), so that is already no longer a reason to go with WP7...
A good smartphone will not make you feel like you are hampered because you upgraded from a different OS, and a good smartphone will not force you to double fist two smartphones because it's lacking in so much functionality as to be unusable without a different device to fill in the gaps.
WM had usability issues, but it was a complete smartphone OS.
And BTW, it had nothing to do with it having a decade of development. Even from day one it was never possible to call WM functionally thin compared to anything on the market (Symbian, Blackberry, Palm, etc.). The actual phones/devices running it was a different story.
And as a business user WP7 is practically useless. It isn't even worth consideration. I'd get a Blackberry or Symbian Anna device, instead...

My first experience with WP7

Okay, so, when windows phone 7 was new I was the biggest android fanboy out there. I would not give anything else a second glance. I went in the t-mobile store to get my wife a vibrant 4g and she was interested in the HD7, I pushed her away from what I, at the time, thought was rubbish software on even lesser hardware. I looked at it for a few seconds, made a mockery of the fact that there was no ability to change background images, and she got the vibrant4g. Now, I own way to many phones for one person as Craigslist fishing for phones is somewhat a hobby of mine and one day I found a guy who wanted to trade any pair of the same model smartphone for his HD7. I had a pair of NIB behold 2s that someone had given me for 150 dollars so i offered and he accepted. Prior to this I was using daily a vibrant 4g and a mytouch 4g for work and personal lines. I decided to try out wp7, just give it one day and if not, hey, i could sell it for a profit. I went into the arrangement biased and completely pro-android. I was begging for something to hate. I used it for a few hours, purchased one game (need for speed), and set up my Netflix and such. As much as I wanted to hate it, I couldn't. The out of the box experience was better than anything I could ever set up on android. The social integration, even in It's early stages, was remarkable. The UI was fluid which, while it never bothered me when I was a fandroid, has made it impossible for me to have a pleasant experience with android since. Within 2 days I'd placed an order for a dell venue pro, windows phone just wowed me. About 2 weeks later i found another epic deal on Craigslist and got a dell streak for 140 dollars and android, regardless of root, version, under locking, rom, etc was just too slow for me now.
Today, I still have the latest android hardware for development purposes, I have a galaxy S2 in a junk drawer, but windows phone has shown me what a user experience should be.

You have told this story before and I can only see this post a flame bait.
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It is flame bait in my opinion. But hey only an "imbecile" would try to argue an opinion and acknowledge himself to be in possession of the "right opinion".
I have to say though that WP7 did excite me at first both at announcement and during testing, and it still appeals to me now. But I eventually thought about what I usually used my phone for and came to the realization that android would better suit my needs than WP7.

I loaded wp7 on my hd2, and the only reason I took it off was because of the HD2 power button killing the touchscreen and seeing as how that is the only way to wake the HD2 from sleep WP7 had to go. But I agree that wp7 is a great user experience, and as soon as the hardware is there that supports. video calling I'll probably be getting a native wp7 handset. That and a good navigation app or bing navigation like I had on my HD2 with wm6.5. I still like the fact that I can swap sd cards on my android, but I can probably live with that limitation with wp7, after all, millions of iphone users have.

I run andorid but I do love the minimalist style of wp7. It seems fluid and the system font that they use, segoe UI is gorgeous.
I'm still an android fanboy, and I've been getting my fix of windows phone 7 by using Ubermusic or Zplayer
Another website that tries to bring wp7 to android is wp7android.com
It seems to be well developed, but I still have yet to buy some of the apps from the website.
If any of you guys have already purchased something from there, let me know how the apps are running!

What's a good WP7 phone that's out right now that is considered higher end? I'm actually looking to get one for they wifey, she likes the way it looks apparently.
At the moment she is using a HTC Sensation.
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The HTC titan is the best out I think, with a 2nd gen snapdragon clocking at 1.5ghz. But it is 4.7" so your lady might be overwhelmed. The HTC radar would be a better bet with its 3.8" screen with the same 2nd gen snapdragon but clocking at 1ghz instead.

Your situation sounds exactly like mine going into trying WP7. Except after using my HD7 I missed everything about Android. WP7 was completely usable and very smooth but just so bloody boring. ZunePass was the only streaming music available and Rhapsody for Android blows the doors off that for cheaper. I use wifi tether, I like voice navigation, I like live wallpapers, I like widgets and customizable icons, I like the app selection of the Market, I like decent battery life, I like one click access to certain areas of my settings, I like the ability to change launchers or ROMs when I need to change something up. I like the window animations and the CRT effect, I like google docs and the ability to choose a browser that looks and functions the way I want it. I could go on... Look guy, WP7 is nice and perfect for people upgrading from a basic phone into the smart phone world. I would sell so many WP7 devices if my store carried them because of all the old people trying to keep up with the times on smart phones that are easy to use and learn on. But, it's just not Android caliber. The only redeeming quality is the kick ass hardware some WP7 phones have.
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Understandable statement until the trolling began. The features listed, minus the battery life one which made no sense as wp7 lasts twice as long as android on the same hardware due to the optimization. Calling it not "android caliber" though just seems trollish as while it doesn't have all the customization, it doesn't have all of the shortcomings that entails either.

z33dev33l said:
Understandable statement until the trolling began. The features listed, minus the battery life one which made no sense as wp7 lasts twice as long as android on the same hardware due to the optimization. Calling it not "android caliber" though just seems trollish as while it doesn't have all the customization, it doesn't have all of the shortcomings that entails either.
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Trolling is starting the same thread every couple days in an Android dominated forum... I have only used one WP7 device and the battery was worse than any Android I've ever owned. That's just my experience.
Not being Android caliber is not an opinion. Look at the market share. WP7 has all the advantages that Android has in regard to carrier and hardware choice, yet it hadn't scratched the surface or shown the growth potential. You are just calling the kettle black, Mr. Pot.
And to say WP7 is better because it doesn't have the shortcomings Android has since Android has miles more features is like saying prison is better since it doesn't have all the shortcomings freedom has. Enjoy prison, kid.
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Actually, it's more like stating that the life of a wealthy shut-in is as enjoyable as that of a poor free man as it's largely a matter of quality.
Windows phone ha# been out one year right about this time. Android was pretty much non-existent after their first year. Give it time, windows came a lot further in their first year than any other OS.
Your "android-caliber" argument has nothing to do with quality. Considering that anything can run android it'd be comical if they weren't number one, especially considering most carriers charge at least 9.99 for a basic flip phone while giving out android phones free with a contract.

I'll gladly give it time. More old people will buy them and they will grow to like 15% of the market. The problem is, while WP7 looks different, there is already a dumb smartphone OS on the market, iOS. WP7 can only hope to compete with them as they are the only other ones pandering to the lowest common denominator. Dumb people return Android devices to me all the time saying it's too complicated and they want an iPhone. In a year I'll see a few of those people returning Androids to get a WP7 device instead because (hopefully) Microsoft will spend a few bucks in marketing.
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I'll gladly give it time. More old people will buy them and they will grow to like 15% of the market. The problem is, while WP7 looks different, there is already a dumb smartphone OS on the market, iOS. WP7 can only hope to compete with them as they are the only other ones pandering to the lowest common denominator. Dumb people return Android devices to me all the time saying it's too complicated and they want an iPhone. In a year I'll see a few of those people returning Androids to get a WP7 device instead because (hopefully) Microsoft will spend a few bucks in marketing.
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This is exactly why WM7 will never succeed. People who need that type of phone will always go for the secure and safe bet, one they already know about, the iPhone.
I was hoping MS would recognize what they needed to do to help WM7, but they seem to refuse to.

How many tech-minded people do you think there are? People dont buy more iPhones because they're not available everywhere and to everyone, not because they can't root them. A small number of people dont buy them because the larger screen appeals more to them which is something wp7 can offer. People don't by android for it's quality. They buy it for it's availability. That was made abundantly clear when I went from working for att to working for t-mobile.

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How many tech-minded people do you think there are? People dont buy more iPhones because they're not available everywhere and to everyone, not because they can't root them. A small number of people dont buy them because the larger screen appeals more to them which is something wp7 can offer. People don't by android for it's quality. They buy it for it's availability. That was made abundantly clear when I went from working for att to working for t-mobile.
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And the slight resemblance to an iOS UI with icons and such which gives them a sort of familiarity.

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How many tech-minded people do you think there are? People dont buy more iPhones because they're not available everywhere and to everyone, not because they can't root them. A small number of people dont buy them because the larger screen appeals more to them which is something wp7 can offer. People don't by android for it's quality. They buy it for it's availability. That was made abundantly clear when I went from working for att to working for t-mobile.
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iPhone is available on Verizon and AT&T, the combined number of subscribers which completely dwarf all the other carriers. Millions of users are even using them on T-Mobile. The iPhone is available to whoever honestly wants it. A lot people buy Android because everyone carries and because the platform is easy, works well and is popular.
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Its not AS easy, doesn't work AS well, and isn't AS popular as iOS (despite market share a poll that I dont feel like digging up from my phone showed that a pretty hefty number of people thought that when they bought an HTC phone they were getting HTC OS, same with Samsung and other carriers.) I'd like to see a poll showing how many people who have android actually even know that they're using android. They would know, however if they were using iOS so there's popularity out the window. At&t and Verizon are two of the toughest carriers to get on. When I was 17 and had no credit established ATT and Verizon both expected several-hundred dollar deposits on top of the price of the phone where Alltel, t-mobile, and sprint were more than happy to get me going. I picked T-mobile for the sim slot of course. Buying an iPhone outright to work on any of these carriers is a hefty price to pay, one the general consensus can't afford for a phone so there's that. As far as easy goes, it's the toughest platform to use out of the box hands down.

Well my argument might be invalid in some aspects, but judging from the fact that in my country the OS population here is BBOS and a minority with iOS, and when i show my phone to someone they can tell that it is an android phone, I think that speaks to the popularity, especially considering the fact that I live in a third world/"developing country".

I dont think that invalidates your point at all, though I feel as though, while younger and more adept people know these things, your average user, at least stateside, is at a loss if they're using android. Like I said, when i worked for both att and t-mobile a pretty hefty portion of the clientel would tell me that they didn't know what their OS was or that it was HTC, Samsung, etc. With ios and such the uniformity keeps it clear.

You're makeing one major mistake though Zee, not everyone has trouble getting to grips with Android like you have, if they did it wouldn't have such a large global market share. Try as you might, you can't argue against that with any validity.

Good News About wp7

lately while i have been going out i have been seeing more windows phones out in the wild. Although where i am at i see like 25 iphones a few droids but i never saw windows phones. Well now i am actually seeing windows phones out in the wild occasionly. 2012 looks like it could be a good year for windows phones. Who knows maybe 2012 will be the year of windows phones?

Sounds promising. Which phone do you have?

Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.

I own a samsung focus

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Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.
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At what point in sales numbers do people quit being people, and become sheep ?

Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.

I don't think WP7 will rise again. I don't really know what deal thought Nokia to do with Microsoft, but everything is far behind possible. Mango should have brought at least the same functionalities tan Android, but at this time, I don't have even wifi theetering on my LG, where the most of branded LG have. everything is missing in WP7, and I saw the new galaxy phone with Android 4 will be there soon. maybe in a couple of months I'll get my theetering, where the Android and iOS will get a new load of things

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Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.
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Well that's probably because the App selection on WP7 is even worse than on Android and basically no one owns it, a lot of people buy Android for the same reason they buy iPhones, they know the name, WP7 is new and no one likes change much. WP7 is VERY nice, but the features are boring, and yeah it brings a new UI but that's all that it does, I don't think it will be a big OS anytime soon, Android and iOS will be in the top for a long time.

Give this to the second page for it to descend into the usual "WP7 sucks" thread. Cant allow the spread of any positive WP7 news now, can we?

IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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I guess it'll be late then. Tango will not add that many things, but Apollo is the key here.

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IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Agreed
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.

Just my 2 cents, If you compared iOS, Android & WP7 for their 1st year achivement, then you will see how fast the trend is that WP try to catch up to compete with Android & iOS.
Conclusion is,
take what you love, rather than bash it after you get it, whether it is an Android, an iDevice, or a WP.

karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Tango is a minor update, the equivalent of NoDo. It's not going to be adding anything major except potentially support for things like LTE and NFC. There were also early rumors of system wide search being added.
Mango has put WP7 at a decent place. It isn't up to par with iOS or Android but it is usable. It just needs attractive devices and a better catalog of apps. Hopefully Nokia's US devices will keep things moving until the major update later next year.

I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.

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hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.
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Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?

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Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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why do you spend all day here if you hate wp7 and dont even own one?
Get a life....

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If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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Advertising. They have really got to create interest, create a desirable image, or tout features that the others do not have.......
You know, stuff like...
A group of business people outdoors on a jobsite going over something. There is a problem, and people in the group begin fumbling with obvious androids and iphones and computers trying to get the information. Zoom in on the pretty woman with the windows phone who opens excel, grabs the info, edits it, and then becomes the hero of the situation while showing the others the information. Someone will say, "what kind of phone is that", and then Cue the "Windows Phone 7" logo.
or
Two college students are walking toward a mall, they see three pretty girls. "We should call Shaun to meet up with us", one says. "Yeah right", says the other, "he's probably gaming on his xbox". "I'll text him and see if he can come", cue the image him texting in the background. In the foreground, close up on the windows phone 7, hit xbox live, and him messaging and getting a reply. Zoom back in on the texter who says, "he didn't reply". The Winphone7 user says, "he'll be here in 15 minutes". "How do you know that?" the first clueless student says..... Cue the Windows Phone 7 logo.
They have got to advertise. I am expecting a blitz when they launch the Nokia phones here in America. We will see

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I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.
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Sad but true. People are just not open to change. I showed my phone to several friends. The ones using Symbian were instantly amazed, but the ones who had used Android found it ugly. As if a sea of confusing icons is the only way a UI should look like. They say, "S**t, you can't theme it to something different?"
I can only feel sad for their lack of understanding. I owned a Nexus S, and i am just not going back to it.

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