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Configuring this thing for good battery life is exhausting. Before root I had done most things listed in this thread : http://www.xda-developers.com/android/tweaks-for-superb-battery-life-in-evo/ and finally achieved pretty good battery life.
After root, I have never been able to achieve this even though the bloatware isnt running, have various tweaks on there for performance, and so on.
Have tried Fresh Rom with stock and Kings #11 and liked it but had terrible battery life. Tried Myn's 2.2 with stock, Kings #11, and Netarchy and battery was not much better. Now running AVA9 (no flashed kernel) and battery is no better. Have tried running setCPU on all these setups and does not help.
Any suggestions? Seems someone will say this rom/kernel combo works for them and another person will say it sucks, don't use it.
I couldn't stick with Myn's because there were too many bugs/errors. If my best bet is to go back to all HTC stock rom w/root then so be it.
.....and yes, I have read through the numerous amount of threads on this topic but no clear combination has been highlighted that I have seen. I use my phone for business primarily so it needs to last me as long as possible. The thought of increasing my phone size with an extended battery is not appealing to me.
I have stock rooted 3.29. I initially did the plug-unplug trick when I got the phone. Then, I turned off always on data, and set email, google accounts, and Sense weather widget to update once an hour. Phone behaves the same as when data is always on, so I don't even notice 3G off when the screen is off.
I get 8 - 10 hours under very heavy use (constant fiddling, email, games, internet, calls, etc),
10 - 15 hours moderate (surfing, ebooks, email, internet),
and easily 18+ with light use (email, occasional light surfing, occasional call)
I have everything the same as before root so with the bloatware and some other things not running would think it would last longer than stock......not!
@greyopaque...what was the reasoning for using stock rom instead of custom? Battery life or just never tried any of the others? Would like to know if your battery life is better with just the stock over others.
Ditto....I am a heavy user and leave everything running that I need. I use the phone for what it was made for. After trying/not trying all different types of roms/battery tweaks/advanced task killers/battery monitors etc., I decided to buy another original red 1500 battery as I don't like the extended battery look either. So, until they come with better battery technology....I guess that would be the career to go into and make some money ;0).....we are stuck with the best phone ever...yet....with a battery life that sucks for those of us that put the phone to the test....have a great day!
Yep...only problem is having to shut the phone off, change battery, then power back on. All the while, missing whatever phone calls come in.
***My point of the thread really isn't the terrible stock battery but the fact that the pre-rooted setup lasted so much longer than the rooted w/custom rom. Why??
I would think the battery life would get better without all the bloatware and other worthless services running all the time.
Once again.. you need to check your apps. Most likely there's something causing a drain.. Try updating to the newest rooted stock roms (3.30). The new kernel is definitely an improvement.
As an aside.. what bugs did you have with myn's 2.2 rls2? I ran it, and it was fine. Now on rls3 beta and amazing rom with great battery (3.30 base).
To be honest, I've never tried anything else. I really like the stock Sense experience... and since this is a work phone, I need it to work without glitches.
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@greyopaque...what was the reasoning for using stock rom instead of custom? Battery life or just never tried any of the others? Would like to know if your battery life is better with just the stock over others.
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Well....hopefully I can hear from some peeps that have used a good amount of custom roms/kernels, as well as the stock one and see what they think.
Cmon guys....let me know!
@eyeballer1......Myn's was just acting weird and I kept getting a "com.htc.bgp" force close that I couldn't fix. Also, I have tried the newest stock rom but it is just so darn plain jane didn't keep it on long enough to test it. As for apps, I have basically the same apps on my phone that I had before root (except for specific root apps such as rom manager, titanium, etc).
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Ditto....I am a heavy user and leave everything running that I need. I use the phone for what it was made for. After trying/not trying all different types of roms/battery tweaks/advanced task killers/battery monitors etc., I decided to buy another original red 1500 battery as I don't like the extended battery look either. So, until they come with better battery technology....I guess that would be the career to go into and make some money ;0).....we are stuck with the best phone ever...yet....with a battery life that sucks for those of us that put the phone to the test....have a great day!
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Sadly they won't.. That is battery technology.. This world is pretty much stuck where its at and will probably stay there.. Its the one thing that is not progressing that much.. Even from the 50's
That said.. the thicker battery is the way to go.. Only you will know its thicker, and trust me.. ITS NOT THAT BAD! Believe it or not you get used to it.. If its for business, well then a thicker battery should not bother you at all, use it during the day and maybe at night switch back to the smaller one.. You know, for the dates and ****
The thicker battery will be a life savior.. All these battery tricks and tips help, but nothing is going to be mind blowing.. The fact is, this phone is extremely advanced and requires a lot of power.. I just except the fact that I need to be close to a power charger at most times..
I might go ahead and try Myn's new beta with 3.30 and see what happens. Looks as though I need to look deep into what is actually using my battery. I have always used K-9 for email and have heard it sucks up battery, but it only uses about 2% on mine and is the best email app I have ever found.
@fastfed......I'll have to ask my wife if I can go on a date sometime.
what helped me the most was wiping battery stats correctly (as per cyanogen wiki, but applies to all roms).
Charge to full, turn off, wipe battery stats. Turn back on, wait till everythings loaded, unplug. Use as normal until battery dies (do not charge at all until battery dies). Recharge fully in one go (meaning do not unplug while charging until full). Use and charge as normal.
This should be done whenever flashing new rom.
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I also use k9 for mail. As I use Hotmail not Gmail.. is it really that bad? Anything else out there ?
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The biggest positive jump I have seen in regards to battery life was going from Cm6 to 3.29 ruu stock, then I ur3 to root.
I'm still sceptical that the 3.30 zip update gave any improvement to battery life as I have seen others report. In fact, I almost wonder if I somehow have less battery life now, but it could be in my head. It's almost impossible to approach this issue scientifically since I use this evo all day.
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Try bakedsnack 1.8, its the best battery life I've seen on a rom w/o having to make all these stupid tweeks and disabling features on ur phone.
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I'm gettin great battery life using vaelpak 2.3 with the stock htc kernel. I imagine most of the custom kernels around are based off of older kernels and while they may have higher "performance" ratings though I have hardly been able to tell a difference between kings 11 or baked speed and battery, I think the newer stock kernel is your best choice no set cpu to worry about, its just simple. I'm personally gettin about 14 hours with almost constant music playing to bluetooth headset, a bunch of browsing, and occasional use of google navigation which is a big battery eater. With just phone and text use after 21 hours I was at 52% yesterday.
ok so i have literally flashed every major rom / kernel and a comination of each. I have found that with minor tweaking most sense based roms get close to the same battery life. some people will argue that this or that rom is best but I would challenge others to truely preform a test on them and i bet they would be suprised.
k-9 is only a battery hog if you have it constantly polling for new emails if you have it set up to scan constantly then it will take a reasonable about of battery life but nothing more then most other email apps with the same settings.
have you tried as was lsited above and recalibrating your battery? I am assuming you are a pretty heavy user from the sound of things. How long where you getting pre root and how long are you now getting rooted? do you have titanium back up set up on a schedule? If so that can cause major battery drain as it sometimes keeps your phone awake.
All in all with the information you provided no one can actually tell you what is wrong. there are to many variabes and everything we say is a shot in the dark hoping to hit common problems.
my best recomendation configure your battery stats as listed above, if you havent tried use the HTC trick (chrage battery for 8 hours turn off phone charge for 1 hour turn on phone unplug it or 2 minutes then turn it off and charge for another hour.)
Anytime you wipe data you wipe your batary stats and it can drasitally impact your phones "battery life".
At this point I'm not so sure my battery or charging device on the phone isn't defective. But, only time will tell.
Currently I am running the newest, non-beta Myn TwoPointTwo and Netarchy 4.2 non-havs. I also ran this procedure (which fachadick already suggested):
1. Phone on...charge until green light comes on. Immediately unplug and turn phone off.
2. Plug phone back in until green light comes on again. Immediately boot into Recovery and wipe battery stats.
3. Use the phone on battery until dies.
4. recharge phone to 100%
I'm still on step 3. Will report back after a few days.
I had never heard of doing this when switching roms so hopefully it will help since I have swapped out a good amount lately.
Does anyone know where to get the newest HTC flashable kernel based on the new 3.30 release? All I have found is the rom package.
This is a semi general android question... but i have a galaxy nexus... and that's what I'll be paying with...so....
I am currently testing out ROMs... mostly apex and its previous incarnations...
I was wondering if there is any downside to flash ROMs often? Like once or twice a week, as far as longevity of the device or its rank management or " snappiness"?
Thanks for the info!
You will be fine. From what I understand it takes your battery a couple of days to "adjust" to your rom properly and display accurately
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You will be fine. From what I understand it takes your battery a couple of days to "adjust" to your rom properly and display accurately
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and if not you can calibrate your battery using battery calibration.
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This is a semi general android question... but i have a galaxy nexus... and that's what I'll be paying with...so....
I am currently testing out ROMs... mostly apex and its previous incarnations...
I was wondering if there is any downside to flash ROMs often? Like once or twice a week, as far as longevity of the device or its rank management or " snappiness"?
Thanks for the info!
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Hey I am on build 20 or AOKP so I have rebuilt mine at least twenty times but probably a lot more because I have tried ever rom available. I think of it like rebuilding my laptop, I don't think it does any harm at all but over time the device will deteriorate just like any other hardware device.
NAND flash is susceptible to write wear and will degrade over time. Frequent ROM flashing will increase the write rate to the NAND and over time the storage performance will decrease.
I have not measured the impact myself.
what sillow said is what is worrying me mostly...i will probably end up keeping one stable build and only reflashing once a month or something of the nature just to get updates....
I know that hardware performance will deteriorate over time like any other device...the only thing is that i'm in Canada...so...yeah, three year contracts...hehe
i'd like to have my phone survive at least 2+ years comfortably...hehe
minipaolo - do you mean the battery calibration app? i'm using cwm recovery and there is an option to wipe the battery stats from the recovery, which i think is just what the app does, if i'm not mistaken? (other than showing stats, of course...)
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minipaolo - do you mean the battery calibration app? i'm using cwm recovery and there is an option to wipe the battery stats from the recovery, which i think is just what the app does, if i'm not mistaken? (other than showing stats, of course...)
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There has recently been a google+ post from one of the google developers who said that deleting you're battery stats has no influence whatsoever. Your battery will automatically calibrate itself, so no need to use a special app or delete the stats.
Anyway, good question in the OP. I can imagine it decreases the lifespan, but I can't imagine that it's decreased by a lot -or maybe just wishful thinking-
haha...exactly, let's just hope if there is an impact, that it's quite minimal...
I've been flashing roms ever since I got my first Android phone all the way up to the Galaxy Nexus now. Never had a problem.
I know that its irritating for the pros out here to see a question regarding a BEST ROM. But I am not asking such a question.
I would like the most battery friendly rom for my n7100 runnning stock 4.3 now. The 4.3 has ruined my battery life and I am looking for a way out. I would love to get the single handed operation in all windows from note 3 also.
So once more these two are what I am hunting for:
BEST BATTERY BACKUP
[*]SINGLE HANDED OPERATION IN ALL WINDOWS (NOTE 3 FEATURE)
Hope I am specific here. Could you please suggest me the ideal ROM solution for my situation..
I never could understand people claiming that a certain ROM is better concerning battery than the other. OK, ie. if you have Note 3 apps there might be some SLIGHT difference, but this is all nothing compared to the REAL drain caused by the screen and DATA. It also depends what software you use - you could have best battery friendyl ROM but if you install stuff that wakes the phone and consumes the battery - it won't matter. Also depends how you use your phone i.e. if you play 3D games ofcourse your battery will last shorter tme than if you just make phonecalls. When you use "light" ROMs, with much bloatware removed - battery will be a little bit better but you will lose functionality. But all of this is sooooo little that it hardly matters.
On 4.3, as on 4.1.2 - my battery lasts like 16 hours and then is down to 50%, and then I'm in panic to charge. But I just went abroad and turned off my data because of the roaming costs. And guess what? I had my phone on for 2 days, 1 hour screen on time and the battery was at 60%.
So no ROM will save you if you have A) data on B) screen on. You're welcome to do some tests. But try without ANY installed applications or with SAME apps installed, keeping screen on time same. And you'll see it makes no difference at all or minimal difference at best.
the kernel is bugged and also since its on 5.0 lollipop
What strikes me odd is that something else didn't drag it down. Then I see the stats are about apps only, which don't take into account cell standby or screen on time.
The key thing to look at is that your phone has been running for 5.5 hours there from full charge, and it only went down 7%. That means if you keep it up, you could run it for over 3 days without needing to recharge. Nothing wrong with that (in the new world order). That's what my old phone could do (sometimes 4 days), and it had a better mAh to screen size ratio than his device (2460mAh : 4" vs 3000mAh : 5.5"). I have yet to get those kinds of battery stats with this one (down to 70% by the day is done vs 80% with the other one).
Yeah. It's unthinkable that a company like Asus can't solve this problem fast enough. Maybe they didn't get the permission to put 5.1 on their phones yet
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Yeah. It's unthinkable that a company like Asus can't solve this problem fast enough. Maybe they didn't get the permission to put 5.1 on their phones yet
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They definitely have "permission", Asus has been historically reliable with updates, but we'll see I guess.
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They definitely have "permission", Asus has been historically reliable with updates, but we'll see I guess.
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Yeah, let's see. Meanwhile we spend our battery cycles like ****
I blame Google. They should never have released the buggy mess that is 5.0. Sometimes companies have no choice what to out on the phones....I'm sure Asus had this phone in the development pipeline with 5.0 as the target well before all the bugs of 5.0 were revealed. And the way Android relies on nearly full reimage for major updates is idiotic, and also Google's fault. 5.1.1 is essentially a different OS than 5.0
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What strikes me odd is that something else didn't drag it down. Then I see the stats are about apps only, which don't take into account cell standby or screen on time.
The key thing to look at is that your phone has been running for 5.5 hours there from full charge, and it only went down 7%. That means if you keep it up, you could run it for over 3 days without needing to recharge. Nothing wrong with that (in the new world order). That's what my old phone could do (sometimes 4 days), and it had a better mAh to screen size ratio than his device (2460mAh : 4" vs 3000mAh : 5.5"). I have yet to get those kinds of battery stats with this one (down to 70% by the day is done vs 80% with the other one).
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the funny thing is my standby time is completely fine its when im using the phone that it drains fast I have amplify,greenify,powernap running and it still drains also did all thats possible to save as much battery as possible.
I also installed the Debloated Rom by Harfainx I know for sure that its lollipop 5.0 thats cause this problem cause every time I check the battery stats in settings Android OS is at 40-60%...... thats just ridiculous
The sooner we get 5.1.1 the better! Are you listening Asus?
They are shameless at the moment
I know, our device has really great battery life and I don't have anything to complain about that, but a friend of mine just got himself a new phone and his values make me a bit jealous and most of all: surprised and stunned.
He got himself a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 (SD 625 variant, MKT variant really sucks), it has the same processor, same display and not even 700 mAh more (4100 mAh) and he got with some "dev rom" (made by Xiaomi, seems to just be the beta of that ugly MIUI 9, based on Andorid 7.0) 6h of SOT, doze seems to haven't really kicked in in that time. in their forum in the SOT thread I see people getting normally about 8-10 with up to over 12 h of SOT, most of them on stock ROM without any additions. And I'm quite irritated about that huge of a difference with not that much more battery. And he seems quite convinced that it's not on the cost of performance, you should notice that quickly on such a heavily skinned ROM.
Now my question is: how in hell is that even possible? I mean our devices seem quite comparablewith just a slight bump in battery but near-stock AOSP Android against pretty much an iOS clone. Does anyone have any idea what could cause that big of a difference? And if it's software based could that be done on our device? Because my experience and from different posts our device lasts about 5-6 h normally.
I mean I'm already lucky about my 2 days of usage with up to about 2.5 days on some weekends where I have a lot of stuff to do. But I wouldn't mind a bit of extra. But my biggest problem with that is as simple as: how? I could really use some explaination right now...
I don't have issues with device.. stock 7.1.1 with dec.patch, unlocked bootloader, with latest magisk. Also installed greenify.
Then you are one of very rare cases. My experience is about half of that.
And I also meant on stock ROM, without any modifications. So I don't know which apps you greenified, but that was not the point. I use Greenify too but more for apps that aren't supposed to run constantly in background when I only use it very seldomly.
The norm for this phone is 8+ hours SOT. Sometimes I get 10 and a few have had up to 12. Unless you're gaming 8 should be easy. 5 hours means something is wrong with your phone hardware, you have a rogue battery eating app or you're gaming. I rarely charge my phone over the weekend even when I use it a lot.
Well, neither of that is the case and I rarely see people claiming more than 6h of SOT
So the answer to your question is, it's the wrong question. The question should be, why does my battery not last very long and what apps or usage causes me to have such poor battery life? Compared to the Redmi Note 4 the Z Play is exactly where it should be.
Here's a link to the SOT thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/review/screen-time-t3643959
gsmarena battery life test 100h endurance rating: https://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3?idPhone=8310#show
Here's an app to help diagnose battery condition (Accubattery): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digibites.accubattery&hl=en
also betterbatterystats is really helpful.
I sincerely hope you get it sorted out!
Well, gsam isn't detecting any app that's off even with root so I don't think there is any. I installed that AccuBattery app, let's see what it has to say
Removed because of ****ty q&a system...
Oh, and another thing I noticed: I get very randomly reboots, and every time the battery percentage drops massively. Just had a 30% drop. And after the reboot the battery percentage seems like frozen. Now I rebooted and plugged in the cable and got 44% again... No fast charging. Do that detection seems very off
Motorola forum isn't helpful at all. Clearing cache and dalvik didn't change anything and running around for a week in secure mode (that's how random they mostly are) or even doing a factory reset without restoring apps is out of question for obvious reasons.
That's pretty weird. Did you try a factory reset and after restore your apps? There's not a lot you can do if you're not rooted, but you shouldn't need to do much anyway on stock rom.
Only other option is full RSD lite OS restore as a last resort.
I am rooted for long, that's why I use Greenify. I know it also works without but then it's a joke. As RSD lite is, it just refuses for everyone to detect anything on Windows 10.
Factory reset is out of question for the moment, it takes way too long to do it properly (with titanium and NANDroid backup first) and I won't have that much time probably for the whole of this month. Otherwise I would most likely already have went off to the next best custom ROM since Motorola just can't get their **** together and still work on 8.0 in test for 2.5 month with searching testers for another one.
I think the next thing I'll do is to try the good old battery calibration, just have to find the file storing the statistics. I know many say that won't work but that's rubbish, it worked for me already a few times
Update: no, no change. Don't know if that funky battery percentage bug on random reboots still happen since I haven't had any again yet, but they come too random and unpredictable.
And that AccuBattery just proves to be worthless. It tries to estimate the rest capacity, but then it even fails to detect original capacity by 500 mAh. The battery sucker stats are also unrealistic. It puts chrome first with 10%, while GSam with root puts it 5th at 4.6% after kernel, Spotify, Android system and fight services. Android itself even puts it 9th with screen, phone idle, cell standby, Android OS and Bluetooth in-between.
So let's see what happens first. Motorola releasing 8.0, which I will flash through the .xml.zip, this time using flashfile.xml which should force a factory reset... Or me finding the time to switch to a custom ROM
Edit: so I got another one, bit this time no crazy battery drop. But the other times I killed of the soft reboot sequence because Magisk can have some problems with that. This time I didn't
Yesterday I was finally able to do the factory reset since those darn random reboots became too annoying and Moto's support is had just the most ridiculous ideas... In the worst way.
Either way, now OTA looks better, let's see how it will turn out in the next days