Hello,
I have a blade and a desire, they have the same GPU but the ZTE is better than the desire with 3d benchmark ! You can see here : http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Also with neocore, the blade has 39fps and the desire only 32fps...
I'm surpise because the desire has a better CPU !
ARMv6 600mhz / ARMv7 1ghz
Why ?
I've gone through the specifications - and the only major difference is that the ZTE blade uses 256K colors. Maybe that's the reason?
if it is because of this, we can reduce the number of the desired color?
Owning a Blade I can tell you it's not as good as the Desire, it's a great phone but I do really miss having an ARM v7 CPU.
Regarding the benchmarks, I'm not sure why the Blade comes in ahead. Maybe the drivers are a bit better perhaps?
Yeah, can be that, too - optimized drivers can make a difference.
MY friends has a Blade and i can tell you it's not even close ... We both had the CM7 (7.0.3) at one point ,and the rom performance was obvious,laggy on the Blade,smooth and fast on my Desire ...
p.s. Most benchmarks are quite useless for the Android phones...although i havn't tried the new bench tool CF-Bench.
Thank you for your replies !
I also think that the driver is bad because we can observe the same superiority with the Acer liquid, which is also less powerful... But it may be possible to port the driver since it has the same GPU?
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Hi guys!
I haven't yet rooted my Desire(I would have but I was fool enough to install the 2.2 OTA).The main reason for me to root would be the ability to overclock my device.All this time that I have been around here on the Desire and Nexus One forums I have been seeing that our devices are overclocked only up to 1113MHz and only in very rare cases 1267MHz.However,to my great surprise,I noticed on OpenDesire ROM's thread that the Desire can be overclocked @1344MHz(which of course made me think a big HELL YEAH!).Is that number ok for all of us or for some select few?I remember from my Hero days that only some few,lucky guys like myself could overclock up to 768MHz,although there were cases of people,rare,yet not unheard of,that could overclock @844MHz.Is this the case here or are things different with the Snapdragon?
Many many thanks guys!
C'mon guys,no one?
tolis626 said:
I have been seeing that our devices are overclocked only up to 1113MHz and only in very rare cases 1267MHz.
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I don't think overclocking to 1267MHz happens in rare cases. I had no problems oc-ing to 1267 and it seems that a lot of forum member were able to do this too.
Why don't you downgrade your HBoot to 0.80, root your phone and try it out?
Just make sure your phone does not become too hot if you try 1344MHz.
I have to ask the question, but does it really matter?
IMHO, the Desire is plenty fast enough that overclocking it simply isn't necessary.
I can understand underclocking to eek out more battery life, but other than gaining a few points on some benchmarks, I really don't see the point in overclocking.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
I have to ask the question, but does it really matter?
IMHO, the Desire is plenty fast enough that overclocking it simply isn't necessary.
I can understand underclocking to eek out more battery life, but other than gaining a few points on some benchmarks, I really don't see the point in overclocking.
Regards,
Dave
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so this, its really not needed at all. a decent fast rom and 1ghz is more than enought for things to be super speedy. any decent kernal will provide more than enough speed.
overclocking(and lots of other things these days!) reminds me of that bit in jurassic park where they are all sat around the table and geoff goldblum says:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should".
herein lies the lesson, just because you can do it doesnt mean you should do it.
Well,I have my reasons wanting to overclock...First off,I will check if I can see any difference in speed or smoothness.If there isn't,I will just revert the clock back to normal after some benchmarks.
I just am the kind of guy that wants to get the most out of his phone!
I think ALL Desires can overclock to 1267Mhz. It's not that rare and I've not seen anyone having a problem with it.
It does make things a bit snappier as well.
sbdags said:
I think ALL Desires can overclock to 1267Mhz. It's not that rare and I've not seen anyone having a problem with it.
It does make things a bit snappier as well.
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That's what I'm talkin' about man!
And now that I think of it,it's not that much.I mean,the Hero could overclock @768,which is 45% overclocking.The Desire's 1267 is about 27% and 1344 is about 34,5%.Nothing too much!So why not?
Every CPU is different. The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a very different beast compared to the Qualcomm MSM 7200A.
We are just starting to learn what we can do with the Snapdragon without damaging it.
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Every CPU is different. The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a very different beast compared to the Qualcomm MSM 7200A.
We are just starting to learn what we can do with the Snapdragon without damaging it.
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Well my man,in this case the MSM7200A is no beast but rather a pooch that barks to no avail!Good pet however!
Joking aside,the Snapdragon is a beast for a mobile phone,but even beasts get beaten.Now,if I can somehow reach or even get close to the performance of the Galaxy S or the Droid X I'll be happy.Software wise I believe that HTC is far superior ,but it's hardware is a little out of date.Let's see what their new devices will do for us!
Btw,does anyone know if the so anticipated HTC Ace will be anything better than what we already have or if it will be the Evo for GSM users?
Thanks!
The desire is plenty fast as it is and I don't see the point of overclocking it. I've had it to 1267 in the past and it made no difference at all for usability. I'm also the type that overclocks all his computers...
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Personal preferences dude...What everyone does with their phone is their own business.I wish I could resist overclocking too!
However,I was watching a thread over at the N1 forums in which a dude named Storm9999(genius dude,not just a random one) stated that an overclock @1,3GHz could fry our phones.Is that so?I mean,I know overclocking reduces the CPU's lifetime,but is it THAT MUCH dangerous?
I think overclocking can kill your phone.. I use to overclock my own o2 orbit and it died after a year..
Friend of mine just burned his old HTC by overclocking it and as a consequence is going to buy a desire.
I had my phone overclocked at 1345Mhz for a moment, just to test it, and it made no real difference to when it was overclocked at around 1.2Ghz, which in turn has very very little difference to stock 1Ghz.
I think the only case where you see some small impact is in games.
I've tested HD recording at 1.345 Ghz and stock speed and there was no difference.
If anything, it's going to kill your battery and shorten its life for sure, going so high. If ever I will OC again I won't go over 1.1 and only if I find some tangible improvements.
As said, this phone is always fast, there is no real need to OC, other than for 'fun'.
The fun is what I want...Well,most probably I will have my phone overclocked at the maximum speed it can get for about a week or two and then go back to 1 or 1,1GHz...
Btw,your signature kicks ass andycted!
Greetings all. Allow me to introduce myself and explain my noob credentials before making my main point. I am an electronic engineer by day, and I am not a software person - assembler is as high-level as I am comfortable programming. My phone hacking credentials extend only as far as rooting and unlocking one galaxy S, and installing cyanogen 7 on a ZTE Blade, another Galaxy S and my personal Defy.
The blade was the first cyanogen install I did, and I did not find it to be spectacularly fast. However, on a 600MHz processor, was I expecting too much?
Next up was my defy. Oh my word... This is absurdly fast, as we all know. My phone scores 2100 in quadrant (for whatever that is worth - we know quadrant has its flaws).
Finally, I installed CM7 on a Galaxy S, and was marginally disappointed. Yes, it was a bit slicker than touchwiz, but not much. Quadrant of 1615, despite the significantly greater 3d capability of the SGS over the Defy.
So, some questions in my mind - Why does the Defy benefit so much, and how does it end up significantly outperforming the SGS when on paper they are pretty even with a slight advantage to the SGS - both 1GHz, both 512MB RAM, SGS has SGX540 and lower res screen (fewer pixels needing fill rate can potentially improve graphics framerates).
What it comes down to, I believe, is the RAM. The SGS has a strange memory architecture for its 512MB, with 128MB as "onedram" offering ~10GB/s speeds, required by the SGX540 and apparently solely dedicated to it. The remaining 384MB is LPDDR (1.6GB/s) and is what is available to the system (with CM7 reporting 342 total in about phone).
In contrast, the defy has 512MB LPDDR2 (3.2GB/s), which is all available to the system with dynamic allocation to the GPU when required. CM7 reports 477.
Therefore, in situations where the GPU is not being heavily used (which is most of the time for general system use) the Defy has much more and much faster memory for the system.
So it seems that the key for CM7 performance is memory speed and capacity, not necessarily processor power.
Should ICS come to the SGS with GPU-accelerated UI then I think the SGS would suddenly have a big advantage over all other single-core phones.
Quadrant Score for CM7 on the Defy is absolutly not relevant.
I should not use this as point of comparison ... not at all.
Does your Defy run slicker than your GS2 ? Does apps run faster ?
Do you have same settings on the both device ?
It is an SGS (i9000), not a GS2 (i9100).
Yes. The defy does seem to run a bit slicker and more fluidly than the SGS.
Also for me, defy + cm7 is way better then my ex-dhd....
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Quadrant Score for CM7 on the Defy is absolutly not relevant.
I should not use this as point of comparison ... not at all.
Does your Defy run slicker than your GS2 ? Does apps run faster ?
Do you have same settings on the both device ?
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Of course it would give some insight even if it's flawed...
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LauncherPro and browser opera use gpu for its work. If you are right, sgs would benefit greatly by using those instead other cpu based.
A few weeks ago, I sold my Desire and bought a Desire Z, cuz the Desire Z has better gpu, the adreno 205, which does 58fps on neocore. Recently, I while reading gsmarena's review of the HTC explorer, they benchmarked the explorer's GPU with neocore and it did 58fps, same as my Desire Z, but the difference with the explorer and the Desire Z is the gpu, the htc explorer has adreno 200, the one on the desire. When I had my desire, the neocore score was 35.1fps, gsmarena said htc boosted the performence of the Adreno 200. So I've been wondering, can the devs here boost the GPU performance too?
Explorer has lower resolution so that is the reason why it is faster than Desire.
Then how do u explain the wildfire s? It has adreno 200 and same or lower resolution then explorer, bur does 37fps
the CPU in the desire is better, the CPU can improve the graphics performance
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the CPU in the desire is better, the CPU can improve the graphics performance
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I don't get u
The CPU increases graphics performance
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Would the kernel make much of a difference? Afaik, the Explorer uses a 2.6.38 kernel compared to the 2.6.35 of the Desire/Desire Z
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Would the kernel make much of a difference? Afaik, the Explorer uses a 2.6.38 kernel compared to the 2.6.35 of the Desire/Desire Z
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Maybe u guys could modify the kernels on the desire to get better gpu performance.
sebastian, there are many reasons for which the Explorer scores just as good as your Desire Z. One of them and possibly the most important is the fact that is has a way lower display resolution (as hb5 has already pointed out). The other important fact is that it has a MSM7227 CPU, while the Wildfire S sports a MSM7225A unit, which in comparisson with the 7227 doesn't appear to have any L2 cache or a FPU (math coprocessor). Factor in a few kernel optimizations here and there et voila - 58 FPS.
All Knowledge , Thank you
I got a little problem:
I can overclock my wildfire to only 710 Mhz if i overclock it to 768 the phone stucks and i can't do anything.
At the moment I'm using Cyanogenmod 9 but i think it isn't because of the ROM 'cause in Rempuzzle ROM i had this bug too.
Should i flash another Kernel or what should i do?
As far as I know, it's a hardware limitation.
It depends on the processor, some processors have high tolerance to overclocking, some don't.
In another words, some processors can handle high speeds. The defualt speed is actually 512-ish so when you increase to 768, it just can't handle the speed so the phone freezes/reboots.
Some wildfires can handle those speeds, luckily mine does
That doesn't mean you have bad or faulty hardware. The processor just can't handle it
Correct me if I'm wrong .
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I think from my new experience it might be a bit of a combo between the actual chip and the kernel settings, on my s2 with 1 kernel I can only oc to 1300 with both cores on but with another (my favorite one anyway) I can hit 1500 both cores on.
I still think the actual processor has more input than the kernel though, and all the extra strain from not having a gpu can't help either.
EDIT: I'm not saying flashing a new kernel will help you reach 768 though , the lack of resources elsewhere is a huge hinderence to the wildfire.
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I am a big fan of benchmarks but are there are really important
Please say what Kenel are you using.
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I would love to help you, but help yourself first: ask a better question
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It really depends what you find important and what's useless. Its just for the certain few enthusiasts who like tweaking their devices and testing out different values to achieve a higher benchmark score and brag about it. I'm one of them although for the Note 2 I see little or no difference in performance when comparing between an over clocked and a stock setting.
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Some people are disagree with overclock some not, benchmark are high only with overclock but if they are not important what are the reason?
I personally think that having a benchmark with a phones overclock settings turned on is the best way to see the true strength of a phone.
Some phones being overclocked do not even come close to other phones with out it being overclocked
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So overclock or no overclock?
What you prefer?
When it comes to mobile phones, be it a ultra top end smartphone, absolutely not.
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for me, benchmark is only for fun and push it to the best performance of Note 2.
but for daily i still overclocked, 1.8GHz
it was stable and response very well..
Good way to compare devices. Although I do not overclock for my daily usage.
They are not for everyday thing but they tell their stories. For example I am a GPU comparison addict. I believe the GPUs are the first aging parts of the chipsets and if the GPU is not enough no matter what CPU or phone it is, it will fade away quickly. So when I am choosing a product I take one of the Nexus devices as a reference. For my Note 2, my referance was Nexus 7. Sİnce it will be getting at least 1.5 year support (the worst scenerio) Note will run any game for that time period.
So GLbenchmark comes in. Then it lets us to compare Nexus 4 and Note 2. What we can learn from it is, for example, Mali 400 is better for higher resolutions since 1080p and 720p results are same. Mali 400s quad core processors are so powerfull that they can not be effected by MSAAx4 or higher resolutions where Adreno 320 tenst to slow down however it has a bottle neck on the pixel processor side and it gets stuck on the Egypt 2.5 test no matter how much we OC it. So newer games will be a problem for Note 2 we can say. For the more older-coded games which are still close to the Egypt 2.1 side Adreno barely has %5-7 advantage over the Mali 400 so no problem for a long time.
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