Why can't Gingerbread be rooted without downgrade? - Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I apologise if this has been asked before, and I imagine that it has, but I'm currently on the XDA app and couldn't find the same question when I did a search.
I really want to root my DHD, but noticed I would have to downgrade first, but I dnt want to go through that just to root it, so I was just wondering what is the reason why it cannot be rooted?
Thanks
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dongster said:
Just walked out from HTC Singapore HarbourFront.
HTC frontline said: "Unable to downgrade from Android 2.3 to 2.2 as advised by technical engineers due to different bootloader and may damage the motherboard."
Me: well, downgrade the bootloader as well.
HTC: As advised by our technical team, it is not allowed.
Me: ok, I bought this device as Android 2.2. I just want to reset back to original version.
HTC: "Unable to downgrade from Android 2.3 to 2.2 as advised by technical engineers due to different bootloader and may damage the motherboard."
Me: so what other alternatives? Can I escalate this to your manager?
HTC: I'm sorry sir. You have to write in via email.
Me: ok, what is the email address?
HTC: sir, there is no email address, but you can use the email us button on our website.
Me: THANK YOU.
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and thats the reason. you need to downgrade!

Nice answer, it made me smile.
You can root Gingerbread, you can use GingerBreak. However if you don't have S-OFF you will lose root after a reboot. Also if your firmware is greater than 2.36.xxx.x GingerBreak will not work as HTC patched the exploit.

I've rooted and gof S-off on my dhd on gingerbread, it's possible, can provide u with a youtube video link, but unfortunately all the files used are from russian site and video comment are russian as well =(
If it helps...
link: 4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=194571&st=1540#entry7015974
video: youtube.com/watch?v=aVwQL4a4zcc
These include ROOT, Radio S-OFF, Super CID, ENG HBOOT and ClockworkMod Recovery + after all these the video maker flashes CoreDroid v6.5 and upgrades the radio.

Thanks for your replies.
I think I'll leave it unrooted

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[Q] Rooting Orange Desire HD with Visionary

Hi everyone,
Can someone kindly give me a hand rooting my Desire HD. I have installed Visionary R14 but everytime I click TempRoot is says "Rooting Device" and about 30 seconds later the screen goes black then Sense reloads but device still remains unrooted.
Am I doing something wrong or is there any other way to root the phone?
Many thanks,
Dan.
What is the version of the software in your DHD? You need to downgrade if it comes with version other than 1.3.xx
The software version number is 1.84.61.2. How do I go about downgrading? Where can I obtain the software from?
Sorry for the amateur questions...
How about doing some reading in the android development side The stickies contain everything you need to know. You can find a downgrade guide there.
yo, dr9722.
i just recently rooted my phone too.
1st - downgrade to 1.32 (since visionary doesnt work on your current firmware)
2nd - then root.
this video makes it really clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkbmKLCkDWg
and watch part 2 and 3, although i think part 3 is for installing custom ROM, but you can be rooted with your stock ROM, like me .
CodeNameUnknown, this is exactly what ive been looking for. Thanks very much.
Im not going to get a chance to give it a go until Tuesday but will post an update then. Thanks again.
your welcome
CodeNameUnknown1 said:
your welcome
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i have orange htc desire hd with 1.84 build number can anyone please let me know how can i unbrand it and keep the basic htc operating system i mean just to make it as you buy it on pay as you go .
nasif81 said:
i have orange htc desire hd with 1.84 build number can anyone please let me know how can i unbrand it and keep the basic htc operating system i mean just to make it as you buy it on pay as you go .
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Downgrade, root, radio s-off, install WWE ruu.
Once u do that you lose root and recovery, so what u need to do is temp root and radio s-on.
And you should have a fully unbranded dhd
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[Q] Root Desire HD OTA update gingerbread 2.3.3

hey guys.
did anybody know here how to make 2.3.3 ota update root, i have tried gingerbreak that doesnt working showing just black screen.
my phn is s-on, I do it coz it wont accepting OTA update.
is there any manual process to make it root via adb shell or something like that.?
i dont want to install custom roms i already checked so much of them but the are not fully bugs free and not fully google compatible as i want..
It is not possible. True, not all the ROMs work great, but some do. Try Android Revolution HD 5.1.6.
You have to downgrade first to get root, and then S-OFF if you want to flash custom ROMs.
You can also downgrade, root, get Radio S-OFF, unroot, get OTA again and use GingerBreak. Then you can have root in the latest HTC Gingerbread ROM.
jkoljo said:
It is not possible. True, not all the ROMs work great, but some do. Try Android Revolution HD 5.1.6.
You have to downgrade first to get root, and then S-OFF if you want to flash custom ROMs.
You can also downgrade, root, get Radio S-OFF, unroot, get OTA again and use GingerBreak. Then you can have root in the latest HTC Gingerbread ROM.
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OTA didn't came when radio is S-ON. thats y i did this..
Your phone is always S-ON when it is stock, so surely OTA will work then. And even when it is S-OFF, it does not matter if your /system partition is in stock condition (no root, no bloatware removed).
HTC have stopped Gingerbread OTA because of to many bug (To many have reported problem with SMS, WiFi a.l.). It will be released new version within few weeks when those thing is fixed. Ref HTC support
Thanks jkolko for the useful s-off & eng-off guides. Should anyone else find it an issue, note that if recovery cannot mount your sdcard, you should try another sdcard (found this elsewhere in the forums).
Hi, any app for downgrading? Honestly, not à "hero" when it comes to touching my phone, but would like root (at least to get rid of some stock apps).
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To have root in 2.3 you need to use the downgrade guide to 1.32. Root and S-OFF and update to Gingerbread using 2.3 RUU. Then use Gingerbreak .apk to root. Now you have rooted S-OFFed Gingerbread 2.3
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Updated to 2.3 from fully rooted 1.32 by RUU, installed AMT and now have su and full root Gingerbread AMT relay works, thanks to developer of script...
Hello Frendz,
The day before yesterday HTC sent an upgrade to the factory default OS (i.e. 2.2 froyo) on my DHD and I happily upgraded to 2.3 Gingerbread. Now, before updating I had permanent root access on my desire through Visionary but just after the update I realised I do not have root anymore. I would appreciate any comments and other experiences in this matter.
Also, during my own research I came across Gingerbreak which is probably the best around for rooting the 2.3 version but all I wanna ask is, if I still need to downgrade to gain root access or is it possible to directly use ginger break somehow? If I am not flashing another Rom, and all I want is Superuser rights.
As, I have never flashed any other find on to my DHD and I was using the stock interface since the start obviously with visionary root.
Also, whichever way I do it, I would loose all my contacts apps or we can avoid that. Can anybody please suggest any good (possibly free) backup app.
Tooo Long to read but any help and replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Anyone have any idea when Visionary or another One Click will work on a stock DHD running 2.3.3? I only want to root to get Set Cpu to improve my battery life.
You can trust my word.. Never.
jkoljo said:
You can trust my word.. Never.
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Wow, that's a bold statement in tech lol
Any reason why this build will never be hacked when seemingly every other one is?
Not doubting yr word at all tho lol
Because it uses (as far as we know) pretty much flawless security measures that prevent us from doing much anything. Previously the devs found a way to go around the main security barrier after two months of trying, and now HTC blocked that security hole. As downgrading is possible, there are really not much interests to try and crack the new builds. Especially as it seems like a mission impossible.
....sigh.....
and since downgrading, gold cards etc etc is not my favorite, still waiting for a simple apk "for dummies", I guess I can forget to get to root mine.....
Those guides are really not so hard. Read them a couple of times, and if you still do not get it, ask your friend to do it. You can also join #AndroidRevolution IRC channel, somebody can hold your hand through the process. If I am logged in, make sure to send me a private message in IRC so I notice you.
thanks for the offer! will read again & probaply come back t you for help
Indian Desire HD
Apparently the Indian DHDs running 2.3.3 cannot be downgraded to root.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
You can install seraphic custom Rom if you like its just a stock Rom with stock kernel and root access. I love that Rom, closest to stock you can get on rooted DHDs IMO.
yes, it really sad that to say 2.37 OTA upgrade cannot be downgrade this time, I really want to downgrade or just root it :'(
nothing can do this time

[Q] How to restore nandroid after flashing 2.37.707.3

Hi all,
I flashed the asia rom RUU "RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_hTC_Asia_WWE_2.37.707.3_Rad i o_12.54.60.25_26.09.04.11_M2_release_188759_signed ".
Now I totally regret and wish to either (1) restore to my earlier ARHD rom backup saved via ROM Manager and/or (2) install/flash older ROM version
Device: HTC Desire HD 2.37.707.3 with S-ON
Steps taken so far:
- I have tried all the various guides but I can't seem to S-off and/or root my HTC Desire HD.
- Download and run various older versions of "RUU_1.72.405.3 or 2.36.405.8 or 1.32.405.6_signed.exe" but unable to update
- Unable to restore my backup via ROM Manager / Clockwork as it requires root access. But the backup file is in my SD card, any way out?
Any advice please?
Thank you.
Unfortunatley at the moment theiris no way to downgrade 2.37 and above to get root/soff So for now you are stuck until the revs figure it out
No hay de queso no mas de papa
marsdta said:
Unfortunatley at the moment theiris no way to downgrade 2.37 and above to get root/soff So for now you are stuck until the revs figure it out
No hay de queso no mas de papa
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thanks mate. otherwise, i shall bring my phone back to HTC and insist on downgrading firmware.
dongster said:
thanks mate. otherwise, i shall bring my phone back to HTC and insist on downgrading firmware.
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Keep us posted if HTC downgraded your software for you. THanks.
Sybregunne said:
Keep us posted if HTC downgraded your software for you. THanks.
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Just walked out from HTC Singapore HarbourFront.
HTC frontline said: "Unable to downgrade from Android 2.3 to 2.2 as advised by technical engineers due to different bootloader and may damage the motherboard."
Me: well, downgrade the bootloader as well.
HTC: As advised by our technical team, it is not allowed.
Me: ok, I bought this device as Android 2.2. I just want to reset back to original version.
HTC: "Unable to downgrade from Android 2.3 to 2.2 as advised by technical engineers due to different bootloader and may damage the motherboard."
Me: so what other alternatives? Can I escalate this to your manager?
HTC: I'm sorry sir. You have to write in via email.
Me: ok, what is the email address?
HTC: sir, there is no email address, but you can use the email us button on our website.
Me: THANK YOU.
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in malaysia, they replace motherboard for you...
adrianyujs said:
in malaysia, they replace motherboard for you...
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what? really?? why would you need to replace mobo just to downgrade?
so, did you ask them to change?
zubir2k said:
what? really?? why would you need to replace mobo just to downgrade?
so, did you ask them to change?
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because I OTA updated to 2.3 gingerbread and find it more worst, den go to service centre and ask can downgrade to 2.2 or not, they said cannot, only way is change motherboard, den I said OK to replace motherboard, that all..
thanks for the update dongster. Then I shouldn't waste the trip to go there. I suggest then to buy each dev a beer. maybe it would speed things up.
adrianyujs said:
because I OTA updated to 2.3 gingerbread and find it more worst, den go to service centre and ask can downgrade to 2.2 or not, they said cannot, only way is change motherboard, den I said OK to replace motherboard, that all..
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Good luck for you. No such luck for me. In Singapore, they change the customer.
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Sybregunne said:
thanks for the update dongster. Then I shouldn't waste the trip to go there. I suggest then to buy each dev a beer. maybe it would speed things up.
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Yep, you're welcome. Guess this is minimal I can return to xda community since I cant develop apps.
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can this S-OFF desire hd: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835746&page=46
den we running gingerbreak to permanent root it?
adrianyujs said:
can this S-OFF desire hd: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835746&page=46
den we running gingerbreak to permanent root it?
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Tried most of the methods mentioned online to no success..
The only thing I can think of... Do you have ENG S-Off? If you are not sure, go Bootloader and see if you have it or not. If you have it my friend, your problem is solved! You can flash CWM recovery via Fastboot command (in Bootloader mode) and then boot into recovery and restore your Nandroid backup!
Goodluck
has there not been a way to root the latest update??? its a good job i was on orange and recieved barely any updates.
toby_lerone said:
has there not been a way to root the latest update??? its a good job i was on orange and recieved barely any updates.
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100% confirmed solution. i followed the following methods and it works:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15290453&postcount=1828
Create a Goldcard
Download this ROM - Mirror
Put the PD98IMG.zip onto the root of your SDCard
Boot phone into Bootloader (hold volume down whilst power on), follow the steps and continue to update
(I encountered an issue here, so I tried my luck with http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003 => Section 2b [For Gingerbread ROMs, 2.x] and continued with following and was able to downgrade)
When it has completed and your phone boots up, download stock 1.32 PD98IMG.zip ROM
Delete the previous PD98IMG.zip from your SDCard. Put the 1.32 PD98IMG.zip onto the root of the SDCard
Boot phone into Bootloader, follow the steps and continue to update
Enjoy~

How to Downgrade to Froyo after installing HTC Stock Gingerbread

friend need help i installed HTC Gingerbread which the up on developer website on 1st of aug. now i want to downgrade it to stock froyo.
how to do?
help
Oh i dunno maybe if you put this question in the right place then yes it would be answers for you..
There is a Q&A section for you to put this question in don't waste developers time and mods time by putting your question here. you will get flamed just a fair warning I'm not mad just saying...
Dont think its possible Teppic74's downgrader wouldn't work on the ARA build, so doubt it will work like this.
lovalim said:
friend need help i installed HTC Gingerbread which the up on developer website on 1st of aug. now i want to downgrade it to stock froyo.
how to do?
help
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You should had to ask this in your mind before flashing an RUU that contain an hboot update!
Go to www.shipped-roms.com and find the froyo RUU and flash it, it should downgrade your hboot and you should be able to root again. If you have a branded desire you’re going to need goldcard.
I you dont know how to Flash a RUU use the search function
3f1f37 said:
Go to www.shipped-roms.com and find the froyo RUU and flash it, it should downgrade your hboot and you should be able to root again. If you have a branded desire you’re going to need goldcard.
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It's reported to not work! The new hboot does not allow to flash an older hboot.
An S-off could have protected him. Have you tried the new AlpharevX to try and S-Off ur device? If it works, you can reverse the process later.
droidzone said:
An S-off could have protected him. Have you tried the new AlpharevX to try and S-Off ur device? If it works, you can reverse the process later.
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The new s-off tool wont work, it says that your device is currently unsupported.
nickislauw said:
The new s-off tool wont work, it says that your device is currently unsupported.
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Try their irc channel as well. It could be a 'soft' incompatibility, wherein they've disabled it because they havent yet tested it.
Is there no other rootable rom of the same hboot?
1. wrong section
2. every time the same, people will first flash and ask questions later
JeckyllHavok said:
1. wrong section
2. every time the same, people will first flash and ask questions later
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1. Agreed
2. Agreed.
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My downgrade tool almost certainly won't work on this. However, if someone manages to root this version, there's a good chance it will.
teppic74 said:
My downgrade tool almost certainly won't work on this. However, if someone manages to root this version, there's a good chance it will.
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Paul Obrien did. Someone might ask him how to
he also flashed the hboot that came with the update.
Flashmaniac said:
Paul Obrien did. Someone might ask him how to
he also flashed the hboot that came with the update.
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If I not wrong, was a temp root anyway. But if Paul flashed the new hboot, this is a good news for those that flashed it too. He will of course find the way to change rom
timmaaa said:
1. Agreed
2. Agreed.
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I agree as well, but in the meantime there possibly are a few thousand Desire users who want this problem solved. Another possibility is that people who waited for the GB-update want to root after this disappointing update. They also might be potential donators (including me), so please get root for the official GB-update up and running!
Thanks in advance!
Hello mates, i'm having the same issue, just want to downgrade back to froyo and i can't do it because of the hboot . i've tried with unrewoked, went to shipped roms but nothing succeded.. can you please, tell me if someone managed to fix it ? thanks.
I know its frustrating but you will probably have to wait, keep an eye on the Desire Android Development section, I'm sure when theres a fix the devs will post it up there for you
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Just read on a dutch forum that the unrevoked / alpharev guys will release a new version of their root/s-off tool, probably next week, with support for the desire new hboot! http://revolutionary.io/
The dutch forum post: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/36540480#36540480
lovalim said:
Just read on a dutch forum that the unrevoked / alpharev guys will release a new version of their root/s-off tool, probably next week, with support for the desire new hboot! http://revolutionary.io/
The dutch forum post: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/36540480#36540480
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I wouldn't read too much into that necessarily. A post on this forum thought I was working on rooting desire 2.3
Unfortunately your link is in dutch, so I cannot see any "official Sources" in it.
Well I stand corrected.
http://revolutionary.io/
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How to Downgrade to Froyo after installing HTC Stock Gingerbread

friend need help i installed HTC Gingerbread which the up on developer website on 1st of aug. now i want to downgrade it to stock froyo.
how to do?
help
You should had to ask this in your mind before flashing an RUU that contain an hboot update!
At the moment there is no way, u can wait that unrevoked or alpharev found a solution, if they care
andQlimax said:
You should had to ask this in your mind before flashing an RUU that contain an hboot update!
At the moment there is no way, u can wait that unrevoked or alpharev found a solution, if they care
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Well, the only way is rooting/S-OFF and installing a 2.2 ROM right?
riahc3 said:
Well, the only way is rooting/S-OFF and installing a 2.2 ROM right?
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Yes but the problem is that you can't root or s-off if you have installed stock Gingerbread. That's what andQlimax was trying to suggest.
I have same issue with lovalim, so I pray everyday that unrevoked or alpharev can save us......
unrevoked or alpharev, please help!!!
Worry !
So folks here .. does that mean GB upgrade should be done only once i have taken sufficient reviews and made up mind for the same.
Guys is the upgrade not worth it!!! i heard the memory available will reduce to something like 128mb but i heard there are better abilities to move applications to SD card.
Is it true??? is any once facing serious disappointments after the upgarde?
I am kinda waiting for responses !
So folks here .. does that mean GB upgrade should be done only once i have taken sufficient reviews and made up mind for the same.
Guys is the upgrade not worth it!!! i heard the memory available will reduce to something like 128mb but i heard there are better abilities to move applications to SD card.
Is it true??? is any once facing serious disappointments after the upgarde?
I am kinda waiting for responses !
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Why don't you install a pre rooted version? Then your hboot won't be upgraded and you can return to froyo if necessary.
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Well i m looking at installing the Stock GB via RUU from HTC.. which now i dont think will be favourable for me after the responses !
I had contacted the HTC Support to ask the query regarding the downgrade possibility. The support guy has informed that this HTC Stock GB upgarde is some sorta special upgrade and hence it seems they will rollback my device incase i m not happy ..
" We informed you that after upgrading your HTC Desire to Android 2.3 Gingerbread, if you wish to again move for Android 2.2 Froyo you may visit our service center and get your device downgraded to Android 2.2 Froyo. "
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Since i m a newbie i have a doubt, does that mean there is no hboot upgarde happening ..
Looking forward to further thots from all the geniuses here !!
No there is an hboot upgrade, I think it just means only they can downgrade it for you which is why you have to take it to their service centre.
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i hope that they can find solution to root the phone cuz the new GB is not good and it's not support Arabic language and the available space is not enough to install application and allot of things
and i read this news about rooting the new GB http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1209243
i don't know is this's true or not
thnx for all
Just read on a dutch forum that the unrevoked / alpharev guys will release a new version of their root/s-off tool, probably next week, with support for the desire new hboot! http://revolutionary.io/
The dutch forum post: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/36540480#36540480
lovalim said:
Just read on a dutch forum that the unrevoked / alpharev guys will release a new version of their root/s-off tool, probably next week, with support for the desire new hboot! http://revolutionary.io/
The dutch forum post: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/36540480#36540480
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Thanx man , how accurate is this info?
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i was thinking of doing this too,what is wrong with it,why do people not like it,2.3 has a force to SD card function so memory shouldnt be a problem,a review would be great so i can make a decision,does it affect your SMS and MMS like they said it might? and if this does stuff up then how else could i get it rolled back as i live in australia and have no idea where a service center is,i would have to go to my Telstra store to have it sent in which case im not sure if it is covered by warranty?
Service centre for sydney is fonebiz rokdale
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At the moment there is no way to have it rolled back, it'll change your boot animation so telstra will most likely notice that you don't have their official rom on it therefore voiding your warranty. I think the main reason people don't like it is that once its installed you can no longer root your phone so you're stuck with it. Also, I'm not sure how great the stock force to sd feature would be.
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i thought my warranty goes through HTC? at least thats what i was told? if its a ROM by HTC why would it void their own warranty? well is it that bad that ppl want to go back to froyo? or is it coz they just want to complain or what? what is the actual difference that makes it a poor upgrade,and how come u dont think the force SD would be good?
Not so great, better to flash custom rom.
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my desire dosent like to root for some strange reason,ive tried a bunch of times with no luck so this is kinda my only option
what is force to sd?
where do i find it on my desire please?

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