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Stock ROM vs CM7

No offences to Quarx and the wonderful cyanogen mod team.After 3 months (a month on stable cm7 release),I realised that cm7 is very unprofessional in spite of the fact that it runs faster and is lighter than stock rom.However after rolling back to stock rom last night I found it is much productive and stable than cyanogen.Just rooted 3.4.3 -36 and removed certain unnecessary stock apps.And I have started liking moto widgets.Waiting for cm9.Will update info about battery experience in stock rom.Till now no difference in stock and cm7.

Well.... Custom rom's aren't for everyone! I'm a flashing junkie myself I switch roms atleast once a week and still can't ever decide what I like the most. I like stock froyo roms for some reasons. In fact just today I went to stock nordic froyo, did a little theming with UOT kitchen. It's nice that everything just works but I swear I get way more random screen freezes and even an occasional full blown freeze and/or reboots with stock rom's. I think I'm going back to CM7 or who knows what starting tomorrow because Moto's software just plain sucks in terms of stability if you ask me. You win some and you lose some I guess. CM7 has it's qwerks and problems but even so, I think it's better than stock. Just my $0.02
EDIT: On a side note. I do TRULY believe that ALL the problems we have with our custom rom's are 100% due to a locked bootloader meaning we are stuck with MOTO's crap ass kernel's and we can't build and compile our own custom kernel

I have the opposite opinion: like u I use CM7 since about 3 month, updating to latest nightly regularly. I went back to stock froyo for some testing.
Only 1 day, but it has felt much longer: blur is very annoying, less customization, much less smooth and less reactive interface. No powerwidgets in pulldown menu, no 1% battery. I was extremely happy to go back to cm7.
Btw, using 111204 nightly and it is really really good, could be cm7 final for me now that the effort has gone to cm9. I will stay on this nightly as long as it need for CM9 to mature (supporting green lens may take a while...) Thanks Quarx and Epsylon for this great rom
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@root_toor ... can you list down the unwanted softwares of stock rom 2.2.2
Even I find the stock rom more stable... specially camera green lens is better reactive in stock rom.

waiting for cm9.i like it.

I agree about power control in notification but 1% battery? Check this out.
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Besides what about the connected player (better than most players with sap manager ).More importantly call and messaging app is way better than that of cm7.And I use a blurless stock rom.
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To start with I removed DLNA, Homesync, Quickoffice,File manager by quickoffice,and many other system apks.After rooting my phone I installed Bomb that task from market for app killing.And yes for 1% battery use circle battery widget.Either use root explorer or a freeware called Super Manager.
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its all just a matter of preference really! I understand why people like stock, but like I said I swear it's not as stable IMO. I get lots of unexplained freezes. I do like connected music player too but I always just install it on the custom roms I use anyway, I have a white themed CMP I use. I'm gonna try the 111204 nightly like gkai suggests because honestly I haven't used it yet so I will give it a go. But I can guarantee I will still bounce around from rom to rom like I always do

After using cm7 for months - I switched back to stock ROM - Tried MIUI - found it better (professional) than cm7.Although CM7 is a hacker's paradise, I still found the need to install 2.3.4 GB (Stock ROM) since I wanted to experience 2.6.32.9 GB kernel.
Conclusion
CM7 - Fastest
MIUI - Rich UI and iPHONISH feel (missed the app drawer as of the latest MIUI version)
STOCK FROYO - By far the most stable ROM.If you updated with latest FROYO, you can root your phone with either OneClickRoot 1.7 or 2.3 and above.
STOCK GB - Yet to try (however beware you cannot downgrade to STOCK FROYO,CM7 OR MIUI since they are based on FROYO kernel 2.6.32.9 while this runs on GB kernel 2.6.32.9)

CM7.1.0 and MIUI failed for me in regular use... it hungged when you actually need phone to talk. it hung when u actually need to take pic... the auto focus also fails sometimes in night.
with stock roms , its more stable but just a bit slow...
so if you root and overclock the stock to 1 GHz , and remove useless softwares, it makes the defy best phone.
Unless we have a kernel of GB, its no point to install a GB with a kernel of a froyo.

Just a bit of input from me as I was a regular user of CM7 from RC0 onwards.
CM7 was quite a bit faster (than when I previously had a leaked froyo installed) & has some great features as standard but I also had one big issue that I couldn't solve & that was the well known Android OS/Suspend bug. It would frequently continue to use CPU & not go into deep sleep correctly maybe several times per day.
So in the end I decided to install the official UK froyo 2.2.2 sbf & to this I have:
rooted,
installed 2nd init,
overlcocked to 1000mhz & undervolted slightly,
flashed the 1% battery mod so the Defy now reports in 1% steps even in the Moto battery menu,
also deblurred the stock UK ROM using Walters deblur mod.
All this has resulted in a very stable ROM with no lag, freezing or rebooting (non of which I ever had on CM7 either I have to add) however I also now don't have the Suspend bug on the froyo build so I'm happy.
Also I use widgetsoid for the toggles in the pull down menu & Launcher Pro & have also frozen some Moto things that I don't need.
So to summarise I did really like CM7 & if it were not for the issue I had then would still be using it & getting ready for CM9 (which I may still try at a later date) but the official froyo with the extra things I've added is more than up to the job for me.

I have used stock FroYo, cm7, Miui, wiui and ms2ginger and for me the best one is ms2ginger .. battery life as compared to stock FroYo and cm7 , it is much better in ms2ginger
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I like cm7 most
and i just tried cm9 which semms to be even better

@sp8y you are absolutly right. I am also doing same thing
can you give us all the links(for mods) to make it the way you are using

popcorn1122 said:
@sp8y you are absolutly right. I am also doing same thing
can you give us all the links(for mods) to make it the way you are using
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Yes no problem
Here's Walters deblur thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1215798
1% battery step mod - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113249
Patched gmail notification mod for Launcher Pro - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1199518
2nd Init bootmenu (I use version 1.7B) & use the CPU settings menu for overclocking/undervolting with the Smartass governor -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032212
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16721202&postcount=168
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17032162&postcount=3
Need Root for most of these mods but I just used Superoneclick.
Hope that helps

Thank you so much, I will use this tonight and stop all modding experiment till stable CM9 arrives

popcorn1122 said:
CM7.1.0 and MIUI failed for me in regular use... it hungged when you actually need phone to talk. it hung when u actually need to take pic... the auto focus also fails sometimes in night.
with stock roms , its more stable but just a bit slow...
so if you root and overclock the stock to 1 GHz , and remove useless softwares, it makes the defy best phone.
Unless we have a kernel of GB, its no point to install a GB with a kernel of a froyo.
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Well I've been working since past 12 hours (from scratch) customizing GB 2.3.4-134_DFP-10_2 (Debluring + modding BlurHome.apk launcher for appearance).And I must say , this is the best stock ROM I've come across so far.

sp8y said:
Yes no problem
Here's Walters deblur thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1215798
1% battery step mod - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113249
Patched gmail notification mod for Launcher Pro - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1199518
2nd Init bootmenu (I use version 1.7B) & use the CPU settings menu for overclocking/undervolting with the Smartass governor -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032212
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16721202&postcount=168
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17032162&postcount=3
Need Root for most of these mods but I just used Superoneclick.
Hope that helps
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Apparently 2.3.4-134_DFP-10_2 overclocks MB525 between ~800 - 1000MHz
Thanks again for links but the stock ROM I'm testing has no errors.All I need now is on how to go about editing BlurHome.apk in GB.

@root_toor , I had the same question of using BlurHome.apk in GB like CM7.1
But as they are on different framework, you cant install the BlurHome.apk excep on stock GB of Motorola.
and what exactly are you trying with 2.3.4-134_DFP-10_2?

popcorn1122 said:
@root_toor , I had the same question of using BlurHome.apk in GB like CM7.1
But as they are on different framework, you cant install the BlurHome.apk excep on stock GB of Motorola.
and what exactly are you trying with 2.3.4-134_DFP-10_2?
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Well the following
Debluring
Trying to customize stock Launcher
Adding Reboot option in Power Button Tray
Optimization for decent performance (battery)
Last resort is Launcher PRO (not ADW - very unstable)
Basically I'm working on one of the most stable GB ROM for MB525 with least "custom mods"
I won't be adding 720p mod as the stock camera rom is giving me better image output than FROYO and CM7.
So mostly a minimalist ROM (1% custom , 99% Stock) for stability.

[GUIDE][FAQ] Kernals, ROMs, SBFs, Multiboot and more.

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This FAQ is intented for new users who are learning to use ROMs, SBFs and Multiboot.
Kernels, what the hell are they?
What is kernel?
Kernel is a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level. The kernel's responsibilities include managing the system's resources (the communication between hardware and software components). All Android phones use the Linux Kernel.
What kernels do we have for Defy?
Motorola Defy/Defy plus currently have two kernels. Both of them are modified Linux Kernel 2.6.32 and both of them were made by Motorola.
What are Defy and DefyPlus kernels?
DefyPlus kernel was made by Motorola for the Gingerbread firmwares(2.3.x), mainly for the Defy Plus phone, Defy don't have an official GB update. Defy kernel was made for Froyo firmwares(2.2.x).
What are the other names for Defy kernel?
CM7 kernel, Froyo kernel, 2.2 kernel etc.
What are the other names for DefyPlus kernel?
CM9 kernel, GB/GingerBeard kernel, 2.3 kernel etc.
Why don't you use these other notations?
Because they are all flawed and don't distinguish properly between the two kernels. For eg. CM9 currently have two types of builds, one made by epsilon3 for DefyPlus kernel and the one made by Quarx2k for Defy kernel. In case of the Froyo/GB notation, a new user may think that all GB ROMs (CM7, MIUI etc.) uses GB kernel, which is not true. Hence the new less confusing nomenclature for the kernels.
What are the differences?
Many, one being the support for Green lens camera.
How can I get these kernels?
Download DefyPlus kernel here and Defy kernel here.
How do I install these?
From CWM recovery.
What is CWM recovery?
ClockWorkMod recovery is a custom recovery for Android instead of the stock android recovery with many added features (eg. Nandroid backups.). In most other phones its installed in your phones recovery partition. However that's not possible in Defy because the recovery partition is locked. But still our dev's have managed to load it via 2nd init bootmenu.
What is 2nd init bootmenu?
It is basically a technique to bypass the locked recovery and bootloader. 2nd init loads after the Defy bootloader is loaded but it loads befor the Android system loads. Thus enabling us to create Nandroid backups etc.
How do I install the 2nd init bootmenu?
You can find it in here.
Kernels and ROMs and SBFs (or Kernel compatibility).
What is kernel incompatibility?
This means you have flashed a wrong kernel for the ROM that you intent to use.
What is it's symptom?
Phone usually gets stuck in the splash image (the red moto logo).
How do I avoid this?
Always research and find out what kernel is the a ROM using before installing it. Especially while flashing nightlies.
How do I fix it?
You can fix it from CWM by flashing the correct kernel. If you don't have a working CWM, flash your sbf file via RSDlite.
What ROMs are compatible with the Defy kernel?
CM9 Defy by epsylon3, CM7, CM7.1, CM7.1.5 RC, CM7.2 nigthles for Defy, MIUI, WIUI and much more, I haven't added those because I haven't tested those.
What ROMs are compatible with the DefyPlus kernel?
CM9 DefyPlus by Quarx, CM7.2 nightlies DefyPlus .
What SBFs are compatible/coming with the Defy kernel?
All Froyo/Defy 2.2.x SBFs.
What SBFs are compatible/coming with the DefyPlus kernel?
All GingerBerard/DefyPlus 2.3.x SBFs.
Is there a list of all ROMs/SBFs? If so where can I find it?
Yes. It's right here and here.
Multiboot and Kernel compatibility
What is multiboot?
Its the state of having two bootable ROMs (2nd init and 2nd boot) in your Defy. You can select the OS to boot from 2nd init boot-loader. More details here.
Where is the 2nd init ROM installed?
In your NAND.
Where is the 2nd boot ROM installed?
In /mnt/sdcard/fsimages .
What is NAND?
NAND is your phone's flash memory/ internal memory (1.3GB Defy, 2GB DefyPlus).
What is the significance of kernel compatibility in Multiboot?
You can only use one kernel for both ROM. So the ROMs that you are using should be compatable with the same kernel. This is ROM compatibility.
What ROMs are compatible?
All Defy/Froyo ROMs/SBFs are compatible with each other. Similarly all DefyPlus/GingerBeard ROMs/SBFs are compatible with each other.
Can I multiboot an SBF and a Custom ROM?
Sure you can. You can have the SBF as 2nd init and ROM as 2nd boot.
Can I have an SBF as 2nd boot?
No, you cant. But you can have an Nandroid backup of an SBF as 2nd boot.
Can't I just install a new kernel for the other OS in case of incompatibility?
Well, you cant.
I'm using a Defy and I have flashed/upgraded 2.3.x GingerBeard/DefyPlus SBF. Can I flash a Defy kernelvia CWM?
You cant.
Why not?
Defy has a locked bootloader. You have blown an efuse that won't permit you to downgrade to that kernel.
I'm using a GingerBeard/Defy kernel/sbf. Will I burn an efuse if I flash the DefyPlus kernel via CWM?
No, you wont. Efuses blow when you upgrade your firmware via RSDlite. CWM can't blow efuses.
Is all this safe?
No, it's not safe. You are doing this at your own risk.
Will I void my warranty?
No, not if you are using CWM. You can always revert to the stock SBF using RSDlite.
What is my stock SBF?
It is the SBF that Motorola/Your Provider have made for your area/country. It's device/country/provider specific. Look for it in the SBF thread.
Can I kiss you?
Well, only if you are a girl. If you are a guy you can always click on that thanks button.
How to use CWM?
Using RSDlite.​
Note : The Eclair kernel (for Android 2.1.x) was intentionally left out to make the FAQ less confusing.

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Wow!
edit what roms are compatible? has wrong answer...
u wrote froyo rom/sbf which is wrong cuz cm7 is gb...
same for gb too...
cm9 for d+ can't be used with cm7 for d
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just add few more questions
1. What is nand ( i m new to multiboot so are other new users)
2. what is cwm
3. methods to install cwm
4. list of sbfs ( defy , defy+ ) since generally new users get confused and end up flashing defy plus rom and end up now able to downgrade .
you can also provide preferrable links as wel please edit if u like my suggestions

Kernals?
We have 2.1 kernel also.
And add link to kernel.org
can't not cant

joydeep1985 said:
just add few more questions
1. What is nand ( i m new to multiboot so are other new users)
2. what is cwm
3. methods to install cwm
4. list of sbfs ( defy , defy+ ) since generally new users get confused and end up flashing defy plus rom and end up now able to downgrade .
you can also provide preferrable links as wel please edit if u like my suggestions
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1st post edited. I'll add preferred links later. Thanks.
Borowik13 said:
Kernals?
We have 2.1 kernel also.
And add link to kernel.org
can't not cant
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I'm doing this for charity. Don't command me.

Excellent job there! This should be a sticky
Sent from my 1Ghz CM7 + CM9 Defy

nogoodusername said:
edit what roms are compatible? has wrong answer...
u wrote froyo rom/sbf which is wrong cuz cm7 is gb...
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Here you are confusing android version with kernel name. I will have to come up with better names for the kernels. Defy kernel/Defy plus kernel maybe.
nogoodusername said:
same for gb too...
cm9 for d can't be used with cm7 for d
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You are right about that. But I'm sure I typed in cm7.2 for defy plus and cm9 for defy plus. If you check the links they are right. Maybe the "plus sign" disappered when adding the hyperlinked(I'm sure of that now cuz it disappeard in this post too. Werid!). I should proof readed anyway. Will edit the post tomorrow cuz I can't edit such a big post from phone. Thanks.
edit: done

I did make a video tutorial about it ... So those who need it can view it

Hi!
I have a huge problem!!! Please help me guys! I flashed this SBF ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472086 ) and my battery doesn't work. What is the solution for this? I wish I had a usable Defy with a stock rom. But the most important is the usability!
Thanks for your help! Have a nice day!

Janimano01 said:
Hi!
I have a huge problem!!! Please help me guys! I flashed this SBF ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472086 ) and my battery doesn't work. What is the solution for this? I wish I had a usable Defy with a stock rom. But the most important is the usability!
Thanks for your help! Have a nice day!
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think ure pretty much gone now ..... try contacting walter now .. pehaps he could have something ...

Great guide ! Simple and to the point. There's so much info in these forums it can get confusing. Another multi boot configuration that works on Defy Green lens/Froyo kernel/ is Wiui v4 + CM9 or CM7. The new wiui v4 build is sweet!

I think you need to do a bit more research,
We have more than one type of froyo kernel for defy, we commonly refer to the defy Nordic kernel (179-4) with some tweaks done by eppy, multi boot has updated ,
It works as a basic guide but there's a few simplifications that just aren't true
teamwork makes the dream work

Just helping here
i've a channel all about this stuff .. So in case youre having some doubts , then i may probably help you ... Its up to you ... Just saying

just a quick THANK YOU!
I am a NOOB and its true: there's so much info out there, its very confusing.
This sums it up very clear & 2 the point. Most helpfull to get my bearings.
and to all the "teachers" here, this guy is doing it for nope,nada,niente,niks. be grateful, remarks about wrong grammar is just....

Defy plus kernels link broken can anyone help plz

Links to both kernals are not working. Please fix it.
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I have a question I wanna to ask long time again.
So if I want to flash a ROM to my NAND I use Stable Recovery to do it?
on the other hand, if I want to flash a ROM to my sdcardI use Custom Recovery to do it?
Thanks.:cyclops:

When You flash a Custom Rom (like Quarks, Codename Android....), it will allways be flashed in the Phone memory. Roms can be flashed in stable and custom recovery.
DO NOT FLASH IN STOCK RECOVERY!

Need Only links for Root and ROM Flashing

Hi guys,
first of all I have been using HTC Sets and Xperia Phones and have Cooked Several ROMs.. So i know much but this HTC Wildfire S I boought for my Dad who is least interested in MODs and other stuff. he just plays small puzzle games and reads mail, checks weather.. and ofcourse calls/sms
The thing is that its running Damn toooo slow now so I decided to S-Off it and Root and flash a stable Custom ROM based on Stock ROM either 2.3.4 or 2.3.5 but SHUD BE STABLE..
Surprisingly I found that Phone is already S-Off
Phone Details are
Hboot 1.03
MARVEL PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
MICROP-0451
RADIO-7.46.35.08
Jun 2, 2011
So i guess I need to just Root and install recovery..
Can someone just link me to ROOT procedure and most stable Stock Custom ROM for Wildfire S?
thanks awaiting...

Check the index thread at the top of the general section. You will find all you need there

i'd wait a few weeks for cm9 release if i were you. it will be an alpha but even the pre-alphas were pretty stable and fast, i assume the releases will be perfect for daily use.

thelegbra said:
i'd wait a few weeks for cm9 release if i were you. it will be an alpha but even the pre-alphas were pretty stable and fast, i assume the releases will be perfect for daily use.
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CM9 have poor camera and really u can never call them stable... I just need a Sense ROM as its for my dad and he likes Sense weather..
Btw.. I have flashed CWM recovery, Rooted phone but When I flash a sense 3.5 ROM I get reboots instantly on installing apps from Market... do i need to update Hboot for that as mine is 1.03 which seems old... dont know whats the reason.. tried two ROms and same problem...
Can someone guide me to a pure Stock ROM.. No changes made... with Stock kernel ofcourse...

http://www.filefactory.com/f/7b4aa0a541dcf00f/
here's a link to the stock rom archive
if you ever want a custom rom with sense, i'd recommend benjamin's .sense. many people use it and it's considered stable.
well for cm9, the camera was glitchy until the last nightly but it's fixed now except for the preview, that's why i suggested you wait a few weeks. there are people waiting to port miui onto that cm9 and it has a cute look and suits family members great in my opinion
imo, i'd go for cm9 when it's stable and use fancy/beautiful widgets for the sense look your father's looking for. but it's your choice
hope you can find what you are looking for.

thelegbra said:
http://www.filefactory.com/f/7b4aa0a541dcf00f/
here's a link to the stock rom archive
if you ever want a custom rom with sense, i'd recommend benjamin's .sense. many people use it and it's considered stable.
well for cm9, the camera was glitchy until the last nightly but it's fixed now except for the preview, that's why i suggested you wait a few weeks. there are people waiting to port miui onto that cm9 and it has a cute look and suits family members great in my opinion
imo, i'd go for cm9 when it's stable and use fancy/beautiful widgets for the sense look your father's looking for. but it's your choice
hope you can find what you are looking for.
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thanks mate for the Links... that was exactly what I was looking for.. I want to Flash the Asian WWE but cant get to download.. everytime I open it, it says Free Slots not available for download..
btw.. if I managed to download, Will it bring S-ON back or will have no effect on Bootloader Lock?

if it was only a bootloader unlock, a flash to the hboot would mess with it but since your phone is s-off, i don't think you'd lose anything. (my answer is from what i've been reading from people's experiences on forums, i didn't experience it myself)
because people have been flashing ruus or hboot upgrades with s-offs and have been keeping them. cwm would be replaced by the stock recovery but you can still re-flash it, so i don't think that would be a problem.
but still, don't quote me on that since i can't really tell you you'd be safe 100% until i did such procedure myself.

Best ICS touchwiz Rom?????????

So I am asking cause I flash these Roms for a friend of mine at work he is a good friend but I don't have time test all these roms for him and I hate doing it at work with him . So what I am asking in everyone's opinion is what is most importantly the most STABLE ics touchwiz Rom as close to stock tpuchwiz as possible, he likes aosp but is a noob and I think a rock stable touchwiz ROM will suit him better since I can't test these roms out myself what Rom do you suggest also as close to stock please
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2

Its one thing flashing your own phone to ics but why would you risk someone elses phone? Its not worth bricking a good friends phone, stay with GB until the release of ICS is final, stable and SAFE. (do as I say not as I do )
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA

Back in May I installed the "leaked" ICS rom but it seemed a bit jumpy. I watched a lot of QBKings Rom reviews and installation instructions and decided to flash the Frankenstein Rom. I was pleased with that and they just released a new version that ironed out some bugs they had with the previous version (I did not install that). All this being said I really was intrigued by the Blu Kuban Rom and used ODIN to get to CWM and flashed this particular ROM.
They have a lot of testers with this ROM and now are part of Team Venum and have the support of them as well. This ROM has a built in ROM updater and the updater is very smooth. As was mentioned before, if this is your friends phone, well you know I had a samsung moment that I played around with before getting my E4GT. I was hesitant to do anything with it until the "Official" ICS build was released, but Jelly Bean may come out before that is ever released. Good luck.

lambohoos said:
Back in May I installed the "leaked" ICS rom but it seemed a bit jumpy. I watched a lot of QBKings Rom reviews and installation instructions and decided to flash the Frankenstein Rom. I was pleased with that and they just released a new version that ironed out some bugs they had with the previous version (I did not install that). All this being said I really was intrigued by the Blu Kuban Rom and used ODIN to get to CWM and flashed this particular ROM.
They have a lot of testers with this ROM and now are part of Team Venum and have the support of them as well. This ROM has a built in ROM updater and the updater is very smooth. As was mentioned before, if this is your friends phone, well you know I had a samsung moment that I played around with before getting my E4GT. I was hesitant to do anything with it until the "Official" ICS build was released, but Jelly Bean may come out before that is ever released. Good luck.
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You should have your friend look at qbking videos since you can't test them your friend can watch the review and how to videos have him search through threads so he can see which roms are stable and suitable for him. Everyone is different and every rom is different I think it's safer that way so he can't blame you if something goes wrong which 9 times out of 10 if your following the easy steps nothing should go wrong.
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Ive tried many roms.. so far im having good luc with calks tw ics v1. 6.. then flashed the ff09 kernel. And modem so im up to date.. its very stable and so far no issues. And its rooted.. just tell him not to flash anything in recovery and you will be fine.. if he wants to flash things show him the right way (get to gb kernel with recovery).. and yes you take a risk of bricking the phone, but not if you know what your doing.. or u can listen to others and tell him to wait.. calks is great tho, mhl adapter works, 4g, 3g, mms, sms, wifi etc etc.. can even flash kobridge tweaks etc..
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tdunham said:
Its one thing flashing your own phone to ics but why would you risk someone elses phone? Its not worth bricking a good friends phone, stay with GB until the release of ICS is final, stable and SAFE. (do as I say not as I do )
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I have already flashed ics on his phone so I am not worried about that I am pretty good at reading up before I do anything and no all the basic commands, I just am tired of doing it for him and he is afraid to do it himself so I am going to find a stable ROM and tell him ill update it when I can I put aokp on his phone now but he doesn't like that he can't toggle the 4g like on a touchwiz Rom ,,,,, anyway I have read and team venom does seam to.be pretty stable but it is heavily themed I don't like that and neither will he thanks guys ,,,, on th team calk I flashed that before v1.3 I think but he could not install certain apps
elliwigy said:
Ive tried many roms.. so far im having good luc with calks tw ics v1. 6.. then flashed the ff09 kernel. And modem so im up to date.. its very stable and so far no issues. And its rooted.. just tell him not to flash anything in recovery and you will be fine.. if he wants to flash things show him the right way (get to gb kernel with recovery).. and yes you take a risk of bricking the phone, but not if you know what your doing.. or u can listen to others and tell him to wait.. calks is great tho, mhl adapter works, 4g, 3g, mms, sms, wifi etc etc.. can even flash kobridge tweaks etc..
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Not to be rude about your friend, but someone scared and unable to flash their own phone, should not have root access. There are just too many user errors that they could make and then try to hold you responsible. Significant others is different, but a buddy at work just seems to risky. Like I said not trying to be rude, I know your just trying to be a good friend. The 1-clicks are idiot proof and maybe you can offer him advice and help him learn so that you are no longer responsible for his phone.
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kpost said:
Not to be rude about your friend, but someone scared and unable to flash their own phone, should not have root access. There are just too many user errors that they could make and then try to hold you responsible. Significant others is different, but a buddy at work just seems to risky. Like I said not trying to be rude, I know your just trying to be a good friend. The 1-clicks are idiot proof and maybe you can offer him advice and help him learn so that you are no longer responsible for his phone.
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He is not an idiot he is just lazy and doesn't want to do the work or research witch is why I won't be helping him anymore
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i would also like to know what the answer to this is........ ive been told i need to use a touchwiz based rom when flashing with metro to get everything working (mms, web)

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ROM/KERNEL Guide for Beginners

Hi guys @xda.uncle suggested I make a guide of what to flash for newbies. Here it is!
So you want to learn about roms? Well this guide will demonstrate which rom is suitable for you. Lets begin.
A first note is if you are marvel or marvelc. A marvel(GSM) device has a removable sim. A marvelc(CDMA) device does not. If you go into "About Phone" in Settings you can find out whether you are marvel or marvelc.
Sense 2.1​
Info:
These roms are based on stock and are definitely recommended for beginners. There are many mods and kernels for this type of rom. Themes have been created by @Mazer.one, @steelmaggot and yours truly! This type of rom is very customizable.
Advantages:
The most stable - no performance issues
The best battery - around 5-6days
Based on stock - no bugs
Disadvantages:
None
Kernel for performance: Dustv9.0
Kernel for battery: Cakev1.4
Kernel for balance: SenseFirev2
Sense 3.5​
Info:
This rom was first ported by @idogx to our device. This rom is actually fairly fast and has quite an amazing UI. Thanks to @einstein.frat and @finance.resat the rom is pretty much stable.
Advantages:
Smooth and fast - performace is tip-top
Great UI - slightly better than Sense 2.1
Also cusomizable - in Themes and Apps section
Disadvantages:
A few bugs - accelerometer and weather
Kernel for performance: mindhaxor overloackable
Kernel for battery: EQKDP kernel
Kernel for balance: kernel by baluu
CyanogenMod 7​
Info:
There are only a few bugs and this rom has a reasonable battery and reasonable speed. This was first ported succesfully by @alquez. By reasonable I mean it isn't the best but it is good. The best gingerbread rom is either CM7 or my Semi-AOSP rom which is slightly more stable. Unfortunately CM7 is not available for marvelc but @crossfire77 is looking into that.
Advantages:
Recently has become stable
Many CM7 themes
New kernel thanks to @eoghan2t7
Disadvantages:
Still has bugs - tethering
Slower than sense
Kernel for battery: Stock CM7 with governor as smartassv2 and max 600 and min 122
Kernel for performance: Stock CM7 with governor as performance and max 864 and min 122 - slight chance of reboots
Kernel for balance: eoghan2t7 CM7 kernel
CyanogenMod 9​
Info:
Another awesome android version with a few bugs. This is slightly worse than CM7 but better than CM10. This was first ported by @modpunk who is also known as Cryptomilk and asn. There are many speedy roms for this but not bugfree.
Advantages:
Hardware accelertion enabled - better graphics
Many awesome CM9 themes
Disadvantages:
Quite buggy - video playback
Tethering doesn't work
Kernel for battery: Stock CM9
Kernel for performance: Stock CM9 with governor as performance
Kernel for balance: eoghan2t7 CM9 kernel
CyanogenMod 10​
Info:
Also ported by @modpunk this rom is the most admired by people. This due to the number of tweaked out and themed roms people have created.
Advantages:
A large variation to choose from
Awesome themes again
Many different mods
Disadvantages:
Tethering bug
Not very good battery
Kernel for performance: Optima kernel by Jdroid (Jdevs) on 4pda.RU
Kernel for battery: Stock CM10
Kernel for balance: eoghan2t7 CM10 kernel
CyanogenMod 10.1​
Info:
Succesfully started by @rapalag and made more stable by @JDevs. This rom is still slowly developing but alright for daily use.
Advantages:
Being developed by experienced people
Slowly becoming stable
Disadvantages:
Still not stable
Not suitable for beginners
See here
MIUI​
Info:
The most beautiful rom ever! @Henry_01 and @ak0r are the main men here. A great rom but speed isn't the top priority.
Advantages:
Looks beautiful
Great graphics
Disadvantages:
Not so well on speed
Kernel for battery: Stock with OC disabled
Kernel for performance: Stock with performance as governor
Kernel for balance: Stock
Extra Tips​
Always press thanks if you use someone's rom
Press thanks if you like someone's post
If you want to flash gapps get them from here.
There are different guides here in the General section
When posting a question, do it in the Q & A section and nowhere else
Always read the ROM thread before flashing a rom or asking the OP questions, if your question is not answered in the OP then you may ask your question
Remember to look at the bugs list
Look for keywords like UNSATBLE, BUGGY and BOOTLOOP. These things you don't want to flash
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Don't forget to press thanks to this thread guys!
Could a moderator make this thread a sticky please. Thanks.

My sense 3.5 Marvellous Rom doesn't have weather bug.
Henrys miui is stable and fast but only chinese and english language.
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Kevinjoa said:
My sense 3.5 Marvellous Rom doesn't have weather bug.
Henrys miui is stable and fast but only chinese and english language.
Gesendet von meinem HTC A510e mit Tapatalk 2
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Thanks for the info. Sorry I can't press thanks as I'm up to my 8 thanks.

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I don't doubt that thread will be useful for many people. thank you again

great post but also note that cm 10.1 has very good battery performance i'd say next to stock rom

good work, thats all what i needed.

Added kernel settings and which kernel to flash.
Please press thanks!
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Hey,if u wanna have more stability for miui, my miui rom will be suitable! It uses cm7 inatead of cm9,but hey it is more stable, YOLO right?
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davidang said:
Hey,if u wanna have more stability for miui, my miui rom will be suitable! It uses cm7 inatead of cm9,but hey it is more stable, YOLO right?
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Well. You first build was good but then your second build just killed it. Always remember a rom is a zip not a rar. But yeah it was stable.

I desire a rom which is
bugfree
perfectly stable as stock
not draining battery
int2ext4 included
gapps included
no responding problems ( eg. app isn't responding)
UI isn't importantt for me. Battery, performance and stability are essential. That's why I will flash sense 2.1. Thanks to this guide I found the answer. And special thanks to @thehacka1 I think other developers should help him to improve this guide. Cuz, this is really useful and there is no guide for beginners like that.
When it comes to my question, I wonder Can I use int2ext4 with sense 2.1?

xda.uncle said:
I desire a rom which is
bugfree
perfectly stable as stock
not draining battery
int2ext4 included
gapps included
no responding problems ( eg. app isn't responding)
UI isn't importantt for me. Battery, performance and stability are essential. That's why I will flash sense 2.1. Thanks to this guide I found the answer. And special thanks to @thehacka1 I think other developers should help him to improve this guide. Cuz, this is really useful and there is no guide for beginners like that.
When it comes to my question, I wonder Can I use int2ext4 with sense 2.1?
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You can use it but you need to flash an OC kernel first that has EXT4 support.

Will try to improve next time
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You can use it but you need to flash an OC kernel first that has EXT4 support.
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it doesn't has to be ext4. I mean it doesn't matter, I can use data2sd or somethin else. I just need to expand my internal app memory.
Even so, do I have to flash kernel OC?

It's actually good that you posted that......but IMHO people should test kernels,governers and I/O scheduler themselves rather than being told
The only things people should suggest are 1.Tell them to read about governers and I/O schedulers,2.Understand a bit about them and 3.See which combination works for them
If they do not want all this,they don't need to change anything.....the stock(preset) options would be just fine for them

Bump
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csoulr666 said:
It's actually good that you posted that......but IMHO people should test kernels,governers and I/O scheduler themselves rather than being told
The only things people should suggest are 1.Tell them to read about governers and I/O schedulers,2.Understand a bit about them and 3.See which combination works for them
If they do not want all this,they don't need to change anything.....the stock(preset) options would be just fine for them
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Honestly, you're right. But some people (like me) can't find any time to read and understand all of these issues. I wish I had time to understand how Android OS works and develop somethin useful for everyone in forum but I can't unfortunately. So, that's why a guide like that will be useful in any time. At least, thanks to guide like this, I can find easily what I'm searching for... Last thing I want to say that doesn't mean I'm lazy. Actually, I have really high involvement in this kind of issues. But, I'm working and it makes me really exhausted when I get back to home.
King regards,
Uncle.

If you have time to download and flash roms,then you definetely have time to read all about them....enough said

csoulr666 said:
If you have time to download and flash roms,then you definetely have time to read all about them....enough said
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I have read a lot and still reading. But you know, these things may have effect on learning. Firstly you want, then you flash easily, and then you wonder how to build your rom or improve existing one. So, that's why I found useful that kind of topics. It wasn't offensive.

thanks for this
i am looking for cm10 or cm10.1 with working usb tethering

Bump. Can't let this thread die so easily.
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