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Galaxy Nexus - flawed by bad NAND!!! \data partition corruption issue

Issue: \data partititon become corrupt for no obvious reason.
Manifests itself through: Freezes followed eventually by (endless) reboots
When: Randomly when you install new apps (may be every day as it can happen only every other week/month), or setting up apps (like Twitter, mail, etc)
Temporary solution: Re-flash Samsung FW but lose ALL YOUR DATA. Attention: CWM restore will not fix the problem!
---- Here goes a link to the fabulous mskip's tutorial, you will find here everything you need to get it back up temporarily
I experienced this in 401, 402, 403 and 404, some were expecting better data integrity in 404... I confirm this is not the case
I would not go as far as saying that this is 100% the reason, but it looks like the NAND quality is craaaaaap! There is no external SD card, Android should be able to do a perfect job now at handling info and preserving quality of data.
I will contact Samsung and ask for a refund (if at all possible)... Disgusting thing to put such a piece of s''t on the market without proper testing and call it "flagship/pure Google experience". This is not an isolated issue, it happens to at least half of the people around and the others may have not seen it yet (it all depends on how often you manipulate data on the phone)...
Any advice, I am inetersted, have tried pretty much everything so far and did not solve the problem...
DO YOU HAVE THE SAME ISSUE? Let your voice heard...

DO YOU HAVE THE SAME ISSUE?
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No. Could it be possible you're overreacting?

David Horn said:
No. Could it be possible you're overreacting?
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Agree as well ..seems more like rubbish
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David Horn said:
No. Could it be possible you're overreacting?
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Thanks David, you're of great help :/
Overreacting? Glad you had a better sample, I bet you would "overreact" as well if you spent 500£ on a piece of junk losing all you data on a daily basis.
But hey, this is not happening to you, right ?
Community means lots of people, some are here to help, others just looking for a social life while trolling on this forum.
Sorry mate, I am trying to get through to the first category...

Umm, sounds like you need a replacement phone.
Deep breath....deep breath.

KWKSLVR said:
Umm, sounds like you need a replacement phone.
Deep breath....deep breath.
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Right While i'm catching my breath, found another thread pointing to the same issue IMHO (didn't not see it initially):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490815
Attempting to contact Samsung already...

vulpy said:
Thanks David, you're of great help :/
Overreacting? Glad you had a better sample, I bet you would "overreact" as well if you spent 500£ on a piece of junk losing all you data on a daily basis.
But hey, this is not happening to you, right ?
Community means lots of people, some are here to help, others just looking for a social life while trolling on this forum.
Sorry mate, I am trying to get through to the first category...
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Your first post came across as a hysterical rant - this is the first I've heard of the problem so it's not affecting many phones, and ultimately Samsung are going to have the occasional dodgy NAND chip. Sounds like you got one.
If you'd had several phones and they'd all exhibited this problem you'd be right to be peeved, but it simply sounds like you've been unlucky and are pissed off about it. Have you even discussed it with Samsung's tech support or taken it back to the shop you bought it from?
And accusing an XDA recognised developer of trolling is not a great start to your time here.

I've not heard of other people having this problem with the Gnex? Who are these other people having this same problem? Maybe speak with them and see if a replacement phone might solve the problem. I really hope you can get this fixed and not give up on such a great platform.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

vulpy said:
This is not an isolated issue, it happens to at least half of the people around and the others may have not seen it yet (it all depends on how often you manipulate data on the phone)...
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The burden of evidence is on you bro. That is a pretty bold claim.

David Horn said:
...And accusing an XDA recognized developer of trolling is not a great start to your time here.
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Respect for your dev background (haven't used any of your ROMs yet), in all fairness I'm far less impressed with your communication skills... I must agree though, my message may have come across as too abrupt and you're right again, I am going to sort it out with Samsung...
Did not mean to get people horrified, rather to blow the whistle on a worrying and annoying bug and smth people may consider if they come across or consider a purchase.
For having worked in the mobile comm semiconductors space for years, I know just what sets apart a serious company from a me-too profile. Surprised to see Samsung having this king of issues. Normally they are ironed out easily though SW regression tests and HW stress processes (at least at serious OEMs).
I will let one of the moderators judge if my crime is so serious, your ego will survive, I'm sure I will come back when/if issue solved (or in good progress).

yeah, mine is fine. If it was a widespread problem I would back your corner, but I seems rather isolated. Rather then cause mass hysteria I would say you need to return your handset
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This happened to mine. But only once.
Quite frustrating, as my phone is my alarm clock and it was bootlooping when I needed to go to sleep!
However, a reflash of the 4.0.2 stock images sorted it out, and no problems since. I'm pretty sure I caused it by pulling out the battery at some sensitive point in a reboot or something.
If this happens to you frequently, then you need to exchange your phone.
Also, I think this could be a pretty good resource as opposed to a rant if you put your mind to it. I'm not a developer, but I'm also not a total n00b, and it took me a little while to figure out how to fix the problem, when I had it. I'm sure there are people out there who would appreciate a guide.

In this thread, op is going through that time of the month, when was his own modification back fires in his face, his explosive emotions reek havoc on an online forum.
If you want to see a device with bad nand memory, see the HTC Desire S forum .
Also the reboots and freezes I used to experience on my device were application related. Device hasn't frozen, nor rebooted in about *looks at up time* .. 27 days .

adrynalyne said:
The burden of evidence is on you bro. That is a pretty bold claim.
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... I was actually referring to a poll in another thread (link in this thread) concluding that half of the people who answered have experienced freezes and reboots... it may be biased somewhat by the fact that people who experienced the issue are more likely to vote than those who didn't... maybe an overstatement from me.

Get the odd reboot (Chrome seems to provoke, strangely) but zero data corruption in 3+ months of heavy use. (4.0.3 AOKP)
Sorry, no endemic fault that I can see here (from reading these forums) and if I were you I'd be looking for a warranty replacement. Refund will depend on your location and supplier and duration of ownership.
Daern
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First I heard about this too. I've flashed tons of roms and mods and constantly installing uninstalling apps.
The GNex has been anything but non-stable. I think I've had to pull the battery once or twice since ownership. Never heard anyone complain about randomly losing all their data... especially not daily. Perhaps on a bad flash in CWM.
Maybe you should look into a super wipe that completely erases everything, deletes the partition tables and recreates everything from scratch. Maybe it'll help but it honestly sounds defective.
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Thanks Player911... Interesting idea, was thinking as well to do a total wipe and sort of a sector-by-sector reformat, but could not find a way of doing it. Is there any tool that would allow me to do it? Maybe this will isolate bad sectors...

Will check shortly with Samsung folks, thanks mate! (what slows me down is the fact that I'm currently travelling to the US and the guarantee is only European and it's Sunday= hotline is closed in Europe).
daern said:
Get the odd reboot (Chrome seems to provoke, strangely) but zero data corruption in 3+ months of heavy use. (4.0.3 AOKP)
Sorry, no endemic fault that I can see here (from reading these forums) and if I were you I'd be looking for a warranty replacement. Refund will depend on your location and supplier and duration of ownership.
Daern
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Uhh, I don't believe my reboots are due to this. Just saying. That whole thread does not point to your theory as the issue. I'm gonna go ahead and call this myth busted and suggest you go get a replacement because this is just another extremist "my phone is busted but I refuse to get a new one" thread.
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You've been Samsunged
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Rooting and sprint

After talking with some sprint tech's for a while about issues not only in my area but with the phone in general I found out that they can very very easily find out if you are rooted with a click of a button. I noticed that every single rom that I have ever used always says the name of the rom in the build number area of phone info menu. That is an easy way for sprint to see that you are rooted. Any way to change that or can't rom devs just not edit that part with the name of their rom? I know what rom I'm using, why does it need to be there?

Rom developers do that so they can ID the rom for a reason; and if you're dumb enough to bring it in rooted and the check to see your system, of course they are going to know, a five year old could tell the difference. Either put on a stock rooted rom, change the build prop, or unroot period.

teh roxxorz said:
Rom developers do that so they can ID the rom for a reason; and if you're dumb enough to bring it in rooted and the check to see your system, of course they are going to know, a five year old could tell the difference. Either put on a stock rooted rom, change the build prop, or unroot period.
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+1... even if that was left totally stock named, and the rom looked like a stock sprint rom, they could still tell you were rooted... all they would have to do is look on your sd card, or look for apps that only work if your rooted such as superuser, rootuninstaller or any file explorer... take the extra minute and unroot to take your phone in.

dbenney said:
+1... even if that was left totally stock named, and the rom looked like a stock sprint rom, they could still tell you were rooted... all they would have to do is look on your sd card, or look for apps that only work if your rooted such as superuser, rootuninstaller or any file explorer... take the extra minute and unroot to take your phone in.
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It's usually a good idea to
1. S-On the phone
2. Flash an unrooted stock rom
3. switch SD cards
4. Uninstall or do not install any apps requiring root permissions
5. Lock your market (with an app protector)
before taking it into any Sprint Store for service.

teh roxxorz said:
Rom developers do that so they can ID the rom for a reason; and if you're dumb enough to bring it in rooted and the check to see your system, of course they are going to know, a five year old could tell the difference. Either put on a stock rooted rom, change the build prop, or unroot period.
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I'm not the dumb one here. Assuming always makes an ass out of someone. And it's not me.
The rom dev needs to ID them for what reason? I understand needing to identify the rom from others but I'm not seeing a reason that they need to ID it in this way.
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+1... even if that was left totally stock named, and the rom looked like a stock sprint rom, they could still tell you were rooted... all they would have to do is look on your sd card, or look for apps that only work if your rooted such as superuser, rootuninstaller or any file explorer... take the extra minute and unroot to take your phone in.
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-1... Again, like the other guy, you are assuming. Take the extra minute and think before you post, ask if I walked into a store first.
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It's usually a good idea to
1. S-On the phone
2. Flash an unrooted stock rom
3. switch SD cards
4. Uninstall or do not install any apps requiring root permissions
5. Lock your market (with an app protector)
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Must be contagious around here. If I was having problems with the phone in general I would first dump the rom and go back to stock to see if it was a issue with the rom or the phone. Common sense.
It was a phone call to sprint about network issues. About towers that were not working correctly and the tech I talked to at the Kansas center over all network issues could see **ALL** history of the phones ROM. Didn't matter what rom I curently had on the phone. It gets logged into the system. PERIOD. He told me it was rooted and told me the name of the rom installed and what day it was installed. I was kind of blown away.
I didn't walk into a store and say here's my rooted phone, fix it. Never heard of anyone unrooting a phone to call in about network issues. EVER! All I'm asking is is there a simple way to change the info that the Sprint system would see when it gathers the info about the phone to avoid detection of being rooted and a non stock rom installed. That's all. I understand you have life issues and feel angry at the world and need to make an ass out of yourself but if you can not just answer simply then just don't answer.

eskomo said:
All I'm asking is is there a simple way to change the info that the Sprint system would see when it gathers the info about the phone to avoid detection of being rooted and a non stock rom installed. That's all.
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No.

Thats the most insane thing ive ever heard. IM almost 100% sure that sprint can't read your ROM details. In fact in order for them to even trouble shoot over the air,they would need your permission to link to your phone using the main network. So dude im kinda sure that your back pedalling a little here after some responses. For future reference try wording your ?'s so they represent your intentions or future actions. Dont get all boohoo on us when you receive a little criticism. The way you are posting gives the impression that you blindly walked into a sprint store without unrooting. Next time just tell us what needs to be done ask for some help and someone will def hook you up right. :beer:
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PyreKing said:
Thats the most insane thing ive ever heard. IM almost 100% sure that sprint can't read your ROM details. In fact in order for them to even trouble shoot over the air,they would need your permission to link to your phone using the main network. So dude im kinda sure that your back pedalling a little here after some responses. For future reference try wording your ?'s so they represent your intentions or future actions. Dont get all boohoo on us when you receive a little criticism. The way you are posting gives the impression that you blindly walked into a sprint store without unrooting. Next time just tell us what needs to be done ask for some help and someone will def hook you up right. :beer:
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It may sound insane to you but that doesn't change the fact that its true. I know what the guy said on the phone. He said exactly what rom I had installed. You're kind of sure? So you have no idea what you're talking about you so you assume something? Lol The way that you are posting indicates you just want to start something with someone for no reason. Stop trolling and move on to the next thread.
They don't need any permission to link to your phone. They own the rights to access your phone by way of the contract you have with them. They have every right to check the connection between the towers and the phone. By doing that info gets logged to the system about the device connected.
I talked to tech's in the Kansas center that deals with network issues. These are not standard lvl 1 tech's. This guy called me back days later and dealt with me about the towers in my area that were under performing. I gave him my signal strength at multiple locations and he would (on his end) zoom into on each location and look at what was going on at each tower. Explaining to me that the tower at my work was 1.2 miles away and at that distance I should have full signal and even rolled out a van to not only check the strength in the parking lot of my office but various spots in that towers coverage. Determining that the tower had very low strength and needed to be addressed. Also figuring out that my phone was having signal issues near my home which was in range of 5 towers. I'm not back pedaling at all. I know what I'm talking about and i have no reason to ask a question with false pretense to get an answer that would not be pertaining to my actual issue. But since you like to assume everything just assume I didn't respond to your thread and troll some where else.

Wow trolling huh I simply stated what was present. In no way was I even been harsh. In fact I was referencing the way you worded your post that was causing the reactions you recieved. Like I said you had to have given them permission to link to your phone.....So that being said your gonna have a very hard time on xda when you bash people for heading you in the right direction. Good luck with being like that...
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I was under the impression that sprint serviced rooted phones, is this incorrect?
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Yes, most will. Unless you get some ahole (which has never happened to me). I've had hardware pieces replaced countless times in the last 18mo., and have NEVER unrooted. I do think the key, though is it's always been for hardware issues (primarily screens and cameras).
Hell, last time I took it in, I had ICS on it. Techs thought it was pretty cool.
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eskomo said:
I'm not the dumb one here. Assuming always makes an ass out of someone. And it's not me.
The rom dev needs to ID them for what reason? I understand needing to identify the rom from others but I'm not seeing a reason that they need to ID it in this way.
-1... Again, like the other guy, you are assuming. Take the extra minute and think before you post, ask if I walked into a store first.
Must be contagious around here. If I was having problems with the phone in general I would first dump the rom and go back to stock to see if it was a issue with the rom or the phone. Common sense.
It was a phone call to sprint about network issues. About towers that were not working correctly and the tech I talked to at the Kansas center over all network issues could see **ALL** history of the phones ROM. Didn't matter what rom I curently had on the phone. It gets logged into the system. PERIOD. He told me it was rooted and told me the name of the rom installed and what day it was installed. I was kind of blown away.
I didn't walk into a store and say here's my rooted phone, fix it. Never heard of anyone unrooting a phone to call in about network issues. EVER! All I'm asking is is there a simple way to change the info that the Sprint system would see when it gathers the info about the phone to avoid detection of being rooted and a non stock rom installed. That's all. I understand you have life issues and feel angry at the world and need to make an ass out of yourself but if you can not just answer simply then just don't answer.
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why dont you quit being an ass and take the advice given to you... and yes you do appear to be the idiot here. everyone is just giving you the reason, if you want the real reason, ask a developer why. If you are that worried about it maybe you shouldnt be rooting. We try to be helpful here and look at what happens. If you dont like it here JUST LEAVE and take your idiotic comments/questions somewhere else. I am sure you will fit in on some of the other forums much better. And I always wondered why people flamed and bashed SHESH! I now know why. You try to help someone out with suggestions and answers and they get an attitude... to all those people i say F**K OFF!

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why dont you quit being an ass and take the advice given to you... and yes you do appear to be the idiot here. everyone is just giving you the reason, if you want the real reason, ask a developer why. And go ahead and take your phone in without removing all traces of an unroot. We try to be helpful here and look at what happens. If you dont like it here JUST LEAVE and take your idiotic comments/questions somewhere else. I am sure you will fit in on some of the other forums much better. And I always wondered why people flamed and bashed SHESH! I now know why. You try to help someone out with suggestions and answers and they get an attitude... to all those people i say F**K OFF!
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Did you read the thread at all? You're the idiot. Only one person answered the question, Shortydoggg. Everyone else assumed I took it into a store and didn't answer anything. As stated above, you do not need to remove root. Don't be a troll. You need to get out into the real world and leave your moms basement bud.
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PyreKing said:
Wow trolling huh I simply stated what was present. In no way was I even been harsh. In fact I was referencing the way you worded your post that was causing the reactions you recieved. Like I said you had to have given them permission to link to your phone.....So that being said your gonna have a very hard time on xda when you bash people for heading you in the right direction. Good luck with being like that...
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I'm not sure I gave permission. I was speaking to the guy on the phone and he was looking into different things and asked if i had updated to the most recent OTA update. Then proceeded to tell me it looked like I was rooted and had a modded rom. That was it, he didn't ask permission to access my phone.
You said I was back pedaling and that i was boohooing. Umm ya trolling! Being harsh whatever you want to call it. I didnt come after you, you came after me.

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Did you read the thread at all? You're the idiot. Only one person answered the question, Shortydoggg. Everyone else assumed I took it into a store and didn't answer anything. As stated above, you do not need to remove root. Don't be a troll. You need to get out into the real world and leave your moms basement bud.
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The point i was trying to make is, what does it matter what it says? if you dont like htey way devs make their roms, maybe you should make your own. Gotta love your maturity level here. You will not get the type of assistance you require here with this type of bashing and attitude.

Nope it needs to be unrooted and s off. I kinda agree with the other guy here mate. Your
post does suggest what he says it does. And flaming people for pointing things out like is f'd up. You need to-be able to handle constructive criticism to be on xda. Peeps here have heard it all,and don't take kindly to noobs acting in such a manner trust me on this one. Restrict yourself to just simply stating what and why, and you'll always be right. Cheers mate.
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Yeah my girl works for Verizon cs and she said there is no way that she can bring up someone's phone and tell if they are rooted or not.
Sent from my Rezound running stock/leaked ICS.

Wow. I am astonished by the level of ungratefulness going around
thread closed before anyone gets hurt.

possible emmc brick fix - Odin...

I was going through the Stuck at Data.img thread and came across the post below from Jaymoon and just thought others may want to take a look at it. It looks like you can bring your phone back to life.... Hope it helps a few of you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27852689&postcount=435
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27888069&postcount=444

What I personally don't want is people going straight to that and then not taking it to Sprint if they can get replaced for free - so they should at least check out their options even after they get it running. But however they get back in the game is what matters in the end... Glad it worked for them.
Question though: If someone gets this running and then claims TEP or warranty repair/replace will it be honored? I'm not sure since I don't have available for me and it would seem that most techs are going to say it's not hardware if they can't see it for themselves. (Versus the bootloop with the unmodified .PIT file.)

garwynn said:
What I personally don't want is people going straight to that and then not taking it to Sprint if they can get replaced for free - so they should at least check out their options even after they get it running. But however they get back in the game is what matters in the end... Glad it worked for them.
Question though: If someone gets this running and then claims TEP or warranty repair/replace will it be honored? I'm not sure since I don't have available for me and it would seem that most techs are going to say it's not hardware if they can't see it for themselves. (Versus the bootloop with the unmodified .PIT file.)
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Most people will probably be happy it booted up. After possible weeks or days at looking at the blue light or Samsung screen... LOL

playya said:
Most people will probably be happy it booted up. After possible weeks or days at looking at the blue light or Samsung screen... LOL
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If you can get into recovery or ODIN, your device is not bricked. At least not with this phone. Only true brick for the E4GT is the Blue-Light-Of-Death symptom.

akarol said:
If you can get into recovery or ODIN, your device is not bricked. At least not with this phone. Only true brick for the E4GT is the Blue-Light-Of-Death symptom.
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I agree with this to the extent of the android definition of the word bricked. But that doesn't mean the phone is usable in its current state. The emmc bug cause a phone to not boot or accept a full Odin flash. So while it may get into recovery or download mode it is still pretty useless until the issue with emmc is resolved.
I also agree that people should explore their options before paying 8GB of internal memory to get their phone back up. If you can get a free replacement then that's how I would go about it.
Sent using an AOKP'd ET4G courtesy of Times_Infinity!

akarol said:
If you can get into recovery or ODIN, your device is not bricked. At least not with this phone. Only true brick for the E4GT is the Blue-Light-Of-Death symptom.
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you obviously dont know about the emmc bug. unless the partition can be fixed and repaired now (which it may be now)...

scarmon25 said:
I agree with this to the extent of the android definition of the word bricked. But that doesn't mean the phone is usable in its current state. The emmc bug cause a phone to not boot or accept a full Odin flash. So while it may get into recovery or download mode it is still pretty useless until the issue with emmc is resolved.
I also agree that people should explore their options before paying 8GB of internal memory to get their phone back up. If you can get a free replacement then that's how I would go about it.
Sent using an AOKP'd ET4G courtesy of Times_Infinity!
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One note from Drnull's test that does differ - the locations in memory are different for the GNote and the E4GT. His original tests noted you can bypass just the existing assignment for /data and begin reallocation from where the old one ended - resulting in only losing 2GB instead of 8GB. No one ever made a modified .PIT since most people were able to replace.
Let me see if I can track down the stock one and modify it based on those notes. I know I have it at home, just wondering if I have it here at the office...

Hey if this can help a few its better than having a paperweight sitting in your house. I agree like I said with most that exhaust all other options first. But if you have no other option and you have the same symptons as those listed to be repairable in the thread then I say go for it.

akarol said:
If you can get into recovery or ODIN, your device is not bricked. At least not with this phone. Only true brick for the E4GT is the Blue-Light-Of-Death symptom.
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Yeah that's the same thing I said in the op of ''Stuck at Data Img'' thread.
Lol..... Kinda wish the thread would go away... brings back bad memories. ;-)
Glad tho it looks as if a resolution may have come.

Got mine working again hope it lasts
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium

playya said:
I was going through the Stuck at Data.img thread and came across the post below from Jaymoon and just thought others may want to take a look at it. It looks like you can bring your phone back to life.... Hope it helps a few of you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27852689&postcount=435
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Hey maybe you can change the title of this to catch more brickers attention....it seems very useful and a great find. Like "possible emmc brick fix - Odin" or something.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA

ive done 3 phones in a similar fashion.. but all with terminal commands.
where you can find the corrupted amount and skip it. and maybe not lose the whole 8gb. but, you have to realize, it makes things different in the future.
everytime you odin you will have to use a custom pit. you have to careful about a lot of different things going forward. one being that GB kernels will no longer recognize your partitions. (at least on hand created, converted partitions) TEP/Insurance is by far a better way to go..

dante32278 said:
Hey maybe you can change the title of this to catch more brickers attention....it seems very useful and a great find. Like "possible emmc brick fix - Odin" or something.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA
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Thanks for the suggestion. I edited the Stuck at Data Img op.

Thank you . My phone was soft bricked , this help me I lost 8 gb but I am back on .

dante32278 said:
Hey maybe you can change the title of this to catch more brickers attention....it seems very useful and a great find. Like "possible emmc brick fix - Odin" or something.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA
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your wish is my command... done! Also I know some are saying the option of just using TEP and other means but lets remember some of us on here use different carriers with the ET4G and can't go back to Sprint or use TEP so this may be the only alternative for them...
I just want to bring attention to an alternative... Good Luck guys

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mid morning bump

I'm going to contact hg42 on his thread and see if he'd be willing to create a .PIT and find out what he needs to do it - I'm guessing it would be a list of each partition, starting position in memory and size.
In the meantime those of you who can't get it fixed by warranty and are using this solution - keep an eye on the eMMC discussion thread as well for updates on efforts to get a true fix for the problem.

garwynn said:
I'm going to contact hg42 on his thread and see if he'd be willing to create a .PIT and find out what he needs to do it - I'm guessing it would be a list of each partition, starting position in memory and size.
In the meantime those of you who can't get it fixed by warranty and are using this solution - keep an eye on the eMMC discussion thread as well for updates on efforts to get a true fix for the problem.
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Thats what I am talking bout. I just bump this thread for views since I know some of the people who had issues may not check here everyday. Its getting about 200-300 views a day so at least is bringing awareness to a possible fix for some and a fix for quite a few

creating a pit is not hard i have the c source.. and anyone who has sucessfully repaired theirs can do it with heimdall..

[Q] Re-partition Internal Memory?

I have done a general search on Google and found several articles relating to this subject, but when I searched XDA I didn't find anything conclusive or useful or even informative. The Samsung Galaxy S4 was supposed to be at least a 16GB phone. To me, that means 16GB of usable space to install apps. I knew there would be some bloatware, but when I got my SGS4, I was annoyed to see that the device memory total space was only 9.72 GB, and the bloatware was installed in that space! That left me with only a measly 8GB to install my apps. So where did the other 6.28 GB go? From what I read, it was used by the "system" and hidden "Samsung recovery partitions".
Well, I do not care about recovery partitions. I would rather trust Titanium Backup and my Nandroid backups and have more usable space than have a recovery partition I can't access. I am stingy with my storage, which is at a premium on mobile devices. I like to have control over every megabyte and I don't like the manufacturer deciding how my space is used. I already got an SD card for it, but I still want that missing space back.
So here is my question; how does one re-partition or re-size the partitions of the internal memory of the Samsung Galaxy S4? I know that linux has some amazing partition editors like gparted that can re-size partitions without destroying them, and Android is based on linux, so is there anything like an "aparted"?

I think in the system partition aside from the actual OS there's an odd 2-3 gigs of temp space to be utilizing during updates via Kiev etc. Since the size of TW roms are so big it makes sense in some weird way.
However anything I've read regarding repartioning is supposed to be pretty risky procedure. A lot of us that have gone to the Google Edition rom are also stuck with the original partitions even though GE rom nearly a gig smaller than TW rom. So especially wasted space for us.
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I think in the system partition aside from the actual OS there's an odd 2-3 gigs of temp space to be utilizing during updates via Kiev etc. Since the size of TW roms are so big it makes sense in some weird way.
However anything I've read regarding repartioning is supposed to be pretty risky procedure. A lot of us that have gone to the Google Edition rom are also stuck with the original partitions even though GE rom nearly a gig smaller than TW rom. So especially wasted space for us.
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See, that's exactly what I am talking about. I don't plan to ever update my stock rom via Kiev, assuming I ever update it at all, since I flashed a modified stock kernel to get root. Where did you read about repartitioning being risky? I couldn't even find that much. Is it equally risky for all devices, or do the more modern devices have more options? I also flashed the Google Edition rom hoping to get the space back, but nope! It really sucks that a non-touchwiz, non-samsung rom would still allow a wasted partition.

Zaron DarkStar said:
See, that's exactly what I am talking about. I don't plan to ever update my stock rom via Kiev, assuming I ever update it at all, since I flashed a modified stock kernel to get root. Where did you read about repartitioning being risky? I couldn't even find that much. Is it equally risky for all devices, or do the more modern devices have more options? I also flashed the Google Edition rom hoping to get the space back, but nope! It really sucks that a non-touchwiz, non-samsung rom would still allow a wasted partition.
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In order to partition that internal memory you have to wipe it. And that means everything. System, recovery, download mode, boot loader, everything.
The connection with Odin or adb at this point would be totally housed in RAM. It would need to maintain that connection in order to complete the task of adding the new partition, adding the download mode back, adding recovery, and finally the ROM itself.
If the phone lost its connection during that process or lost power or the update process got pushed out of ram for any reason the phone would be hard bricked as there would be no way to reestablish communication with it to restart the process. You couldn't power it on or boot it to anything. It would be a $600 paper weight.
Meanwhile the alternative option is to just go buy an $8 external 16gb SD card or a $20 external 32gb SD card. That carries no risk whatsoever and expands your phone's storage well beyond the original 9gb of usable space you started with.
Sent from your phone. You should be careful where you leave that thing.

Skipjacks said:
In order to partition that internal memory you have to wipe it. And that means everything. System, recovery, download mode, boot loader, everything.
The connection with Odin or adb at this point would be totally housed in RAM. It would need to maintain that connection in order to complete the task of adding the new partition, adding the download mode back, adding recovery, and finally the ROM itself.
If the phone lost its connection during that process or lost power or the update process got pushed out of ram for any reason the phone would be hard bricked as there would be no way to reestablish communication with it to restart the process. You couldn't power it on or boot it to anything. It would be a $600 paper weight.
Meanwhile the alternative option is to just go buy an $8 external 16gb SD card or a $20 external 32gb SD card. That carries no risk whatsoever and expands your phone's storage well beyond the original 9gb of usable space you started with.
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Thanks! And yes I also hit the thanks button . I had no idea that partitioning the internal memory was THAT risky. I am surprised nobody has come up with a better way, like how you would boot from a CD to partition your computer. Maybe a way to boot from external SD or something? It also makes me curious; if the manufacturer started with blank internal memory, how did they write the initial recovery and ROM to it in the first place? What are they able to do that we can't do?

Zaron DarkStar said:
Thanks! And yes I also hit the thanks button . I had no idea that partitioning the internal memory was THAT risky. I am surprised nobody has come up with a better way, like how you would boot from a CD to partition your computer. Maybe a way to boot from external SD or something? It also makes me curious; if the manufacturer started with blank internal memory, how did they write the initial recovery and ROM to it in the first place? What are they able to do that we can't do?
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Your computer has a bios that exists on a saparate chip from everything else. The bios is like a pre-boot that waits for you to hit the power button, then it looks for a hard drive with an OS to get going the rest of the way. If it doesn't find a hard drive it will look to a CD ROM drive that will take the next step.
The operating sysem resides on your hard drive. So you can wipe your hard drive and the bios will at least let the computer physically turn on.
On your cell phone all that stuff resides on the same internal memory. So if you wipe it clean, it doesn't even have something like a bios that can look for a secondary boot option on an SD Card.
Samsung probably programs the memory chips on a separate machine before they even put them on the mother board. Think of an old 8 bit Nintendo. Super Mario Bros. exists entirely on the game cartridge. It's pre programed to hold the game. You then take that game cartridge (which is essentially just a memory chip on a circuit board inside the plastic case) and insert it into the Nintendo in order to boot up the game. Without the game inserted the power button just blinks and the Nintendo doesn't know what to do. Same thing with your phone. Samsung programs the memory chip somewhere else, then puts the fully prgrammed chip onto the mother board and it boots up. (This is a VERY generic example. There are about 500 things that are different about how these two sysems boot. I am well aware of this. I jus used it as an example to help clarify the concept.)

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On your cell phone all that stuff resides on the same internal memory. So if you wipe it clean, it doesn't even have something like a bios that can look for a secondary boot option on an SD Card.[/I]
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Ugh that seems like a bad design choice. And all manufacturers are doing this? Nobody has managed to squeeze in a separate chip for the recovery, even on tablets?
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Samsung probably programs the memory chips on a separate machine before they even put them on the mother board.[/I]
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So what you are saying is that the process Samsung probably used can't be used after the chip has been placed in the phone without extreme risk? Got it.

Zaron DarkStar said:
Ugh that seems like a bad design choice. And all manufacturers are doing this? Nobody has managed to squeeze in a separate chip for the recovery, even on tablets?
So what you are saying is that the process Samsung probably used can't be used after the chip has been placed in the phone without extreme risk? Got it.
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You probably need to unsolder the chip from the board and use a chip programmer to write everything back to the chip.

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You probably need to unsolder the chip from the board and use a chip programmer to write everything back to the chip.
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I don't think I'll be attempting something like that. That would make me even more nervous than wiping the internal memory. I'm a GTAW welder, and I still don't think I would have steady enough hands to go messing with the physical chips inside my phone.
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One chip?
Anyway my other question still remains. Android software/hardware is all designed to run off of one internal chip that holds everything? Even on tablets? And nobody has attempted to break this mold?

You can actually adjust the partition details through what is called a pit file (partition information table)
There is a thread where someone was able to create the pit files flashable through Odin. While they are flashable, I have tried everything on my s3 to get it to work. I think there is some bootloader code which ignores unsigned or not genuine pit files. There is just something preventing them from taking effect even though it says it flashed successfully.
You should easily be able to take some blocks from system partition and add them to data without and risks.
Btw it's impossible to hard brick this and the s3. You would just need a jtag device to rewrite the bootloader back to the device. Some people have said that the USB jigs you see on eBay work. And for 5 bucks what the heck lol.
But generally speaking, playing with pit files and partitions can get costly.
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I'm still very interested in this. I intend to only use the Google Play ROM's, which are 500MB, rather than 2GB
Samsung said that the S4's system only uses 1GB more than the S3, yet consumes 2GB more in total :/

DON'T TRY THIS. OTHERWISE IT'LL BRICK YOUR DEVICE
There's a solution for S4 i9500, but apparently it was officially released by samsung. I don't believe samsung or t-mobile will do the same, but I hope so. Or if anything could be done from this to be adapted to m919 would be great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2429309

Zaron DarkStar said:
Ugh that seems like a bad design choice. And all manufacturers are doing this? Nobody has managed to squeeze in a separate chip for the recovery, even on tablets?
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I strongly suspect this goes to how ARM Systems-on-a-Chip work. These devices don't expect to encounter any kind of hardware intermediary between the processor and the chips. That's what the drivers are for. These devices are designed for simple bootstrapping, and the best way to do that is to connect the CPU to a single internal store of flash memory. Also, no device manufacturer expects to need to repartition their internal flashes within the device's working life. The partition sizes were chosen very carefully so it isn't necessary. They trade in some leeway space to be able to "set it and forget it." In the end, they don't expect anyone (including themselves) to tinker with it after it's been all set up. Normal users won't be in a position to encounter the recovery system, and even skilled amateurs trying to fix something mildly serious would find the stock recovery system sufficient. If that doesn't work, it's probably going back to the manufacturer.

Still a bad design.
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Also, no device manufacturer expects to need to repartition their internal flashes within the device's working life.
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So when they advertise a device as having a certain amount of storage, yet the actual user controlled usable storage space is almost half that, they don't think people are going to have a problem with that and will want to get that storage space back, through re-partitioning if necessary?
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The partition sizes were chosen very carefully so it isn't necessary.
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The partition sizes weren't chosen by ME, the consumer, owner, and end-user of the device, so it is quite necessary I have control over the storage I paid for.
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They trade in some leeway space to be able to "set it and forget it."
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You mean they trade so of MY hardware's capability for the current/future needs of whatever services they might decide to implement, even if I will never use said services.
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In the end, they don't expect anyone (including themselves) to tinker with it after it's been all set up.
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I tinker with all my electronics to suit my needs. I change the partition structure of my computer occasionally when my storage allocation needs change enough that it becomes necessary.
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Normal users won't be in a position to encounter the recovery system, and even skilled amateurs trying to fix something mildly serious would find the stock recovery system sufficient.
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This isn't about trying to fix a problem. This is about being able to control and use ALL of the storage I expected to have on a device I paid for.
It just sounds like you are making excuses for Samsung. Please don't. It is bad enough that we have to deal with bloatware, but for a manufacturer to reduce a device's functionality, knowing that it is risky/difficult to reverse, for the sake of their proprietary services that the user may not want is just unacceptable.
If I wanted a device where the manufacturer makes the decisions for me the I would buy an Apple. I choose Android for its openness and customizability, so I get annoyed when I see manufacturers deliberately reduce a device's customizability to make way for their proprietary services. I think manufacturers should respect the spirit of the platform they are making devices for, otherwise they are making devices for the wrong platform. More specifically, I think Samsung should respect the spirit of Android, and stop trying to shove their proprietary bloatware down our throats.

Zaron, let me put it another way. The sizes you hear advertised on TV and ads and so on are much like hard drive sizes and the "up to" internet speeds you also see; you're not expected to actually get every last bit that's advertised. The only way you'll fix that is to change advertising laws; good luck trying to get something like that through a legislature.
There's also the fact that those of us here do not represent the typical user of these phones. The average person wants to be able to just get their apps done and be done with it. Quite simply, you can't please everyone, so it's better to annoy a small number of diehard geeks than a larger number of less-technically-literate buyers. As for the "spirit of Android," I don't see any such thing. Android is what manufacturers make of it (like with Amazon). We're talking companies here; not bleeding hearts. For Samsung, Android just happens to be the non-Apple system best at hand. It's not like they're betting the farm on it, either; they're developing Tizen, too, which will be going into their Gear 2 line of smartwatches.

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Zaron, let me put it another way.
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Ok let's break this down since it sounds like once again you are making excuses.
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The sizes you hear advertised on TV and ads and so on are much like hard drive sizes and the "up to" internet speeds you also see; you're not expected to actually get every last bit that's advertised.
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I have gotten nearly ALL of the storage space I paid for on EVERY hard drive I have ever bought. There is a miniscule loss for the formatting overhead and partition table, and maybe a couple hundred megabytes for the Windows recovery partition if I CHOOSE to have one. This is quite minor compared to the 500GB - 3TB of space my drives have. On the GS4, I got nearly half, HALF of the usable storage I thought I was buying. There is a huge difference between minor overhead cost and HALF. Also, most of the time I get exactly the amount of bandwidth I pay for as well, for both my home internet and mobile data. It is rare I get any slowdown. So don't give me this nonsense about not expecting to get what is advertised.
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The only way you'll fix that is to change advertising laws; good luck trying to get something like that through a legislature.
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I don't need to change any laws to vote with my wallet, which is the only thing Samsung should be concerned with: how customers vote with their money.
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There's also the fact that those of us here do not represent the typical user of these phones. The average person wants to be able to just get their apps done and be done with it.
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Really? Because everyone I know who has an Android got one for the ability to customize/tinker with it. But even assuming there is a larger user base I haven't seen that doesn't care as much about customizing, what if said "average people" want to install many apps on their phone? Maybe they want to try out one of the many relatively large Android games on the market. Even an "average" user of a mobile device can do simple math. If they install a few games that are a couple GB each and then run out of space, and then add up the total space they used and compare it to how much their device should have, they would notice they got cheated real quick. All they have to do is go into the app manager in the settings and look at the amount of space used/free to see they don't have as much space as they thought.
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Quite simply, you can't please everyone, so it's better to annoy a small number of diehard geeks than a larger number of less-technically-literate buyers.
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I do agree that it is difficult to please everyone. However, who exactly are they pleasing by cutting the usable storage space in half? Answer: nobody but themselves, in order to exert control over their customers. That is all. I have not heard a single person say, "I am so happy with all of Samsung's built-in services, and I don't mind at all that I have only half the space listed on the box!"
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As for the "spirit of Android," I don't see any such thing.
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When I say spirit of Android, what I mean is the desire to make a useful device that puts the power of customization in the hands of the user. I mean a device that is the opposite of an Apple device. I mean a device that can be used independently of its creator company. I mean the ability to change the ROM, the launcher, the dialer, the SMS app, and allowing pretty much every other part of the device's software to be modular and customizable. I mean the ability to sideload apps, install other market apps, and not be tied down to one marketplace. I mean the ability to have a device that doesn't make you feel beholden to any entity. That is the spirit of Android. So when a company makes an Android device with features that deliberately move away from customization and towards proprietary dependence, aka dedicating almost half of the SGS4's internal storage for proprietary services, while advertising it as having the full 16GB, that pisses me off. If Android was a religion, it would be the equivalent of blasphemy. When I am in the market for a new device, a company gets my attention by having a more powerful device with more customization options. Also, nothing makes me switch manufacturers faster than when I feel like they are trying to lock me in to their economy.
Now, if you respond to me in the same manner as your last two posts, full of industry excuses and reasons why we shouldn't criticize our corporate overlords, then I will assume you are just a shill, and I will ignore you. I have better things to do than argue with a shill, so prove to me you aren't one.

You're right. It sucks. You should get the entire cell phone industry (valued at several hundred billion dollars) to change its' marketing systems.
Let me know how that works out for you.
The rest of us don't like it either, but we've moved on because we learned how to interpret the manufacturer's claims into what we can actually except to see. Now stop yelling at everyone on XDA who is just trying to explain it to you. We're not the ones who came up with these shadey marketing practices. And just because we understand the shadey marketing practices doesn't mean we support them.
You are preaching to the chior. We all agree with you.

Skipjacks said:
You're right. It sucks. You should get the entire cell phone industry (valued at several hundred billion dollars) to change its' marketing systems.
Let me know how that works out for you.
The rest of us don't like it either, but we've moved on because we learned how to interpret the manufacturer's claims into what we can actually except to see. Now stop yelling at everyone on XDA who is just trying to explain it to you. We're not the ones who came up with these shadey marketing practices. And just because we understand the shadey marketing practices doesn't mean we support them.
You are preaching to the chior. We all agree with you.
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You were helpful to me before, why do you sound so angry now? I wasn't yelling at "everyone". I was disagreeing with one person about the premise that no matter what we do, we should expect to get screwed in some way every time we buy a phone. I don't accept that. I don't even have a problem with people who do accept it, but I do have a problem when people explain it to me, and then sound like they are trying to get me to accept getting screwed. This thread started with me asking if there was a way to easily re-partition the internal memory of the SGS4, and when the answer was basically "no", the purpose of this thread was pretty much served. However, it went on to become a discussion about why things are the way they are, which inevitably led to the business practices of Samsung, at which point it started to feel like I was being told to just accept the situation, which got me riled up. Big corporations wouldn't be big without their customers, so I intend to stay a customer who cares. I won't give in to apathy or complacency, and I won't accept corporate control, even if I can't directly do anything about it. I appreciate the explanations, and I am sorry offended anyone.

heads up att note owners

I just went to best buy and had the Samsung rep reflash my phone and holy cow its much snappier!
Seems to have less lag and doesn't freeze as much.
Also. When they flash it it doesn't delete anything on the phone. All my files and apps were still there!!!

"reflash" isn't a thing. What did they actually do?
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JasonJoel said:
"reflash" isn't a thing. What did they actually do?
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Lol OK. I watched him connect it to the computer. It went into download mode showed and android guy logo with a 1 and it showed it downloading and then it went to the update screen and here I am.

I think he just cleared the cache.
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Let me know if anyone has tried this so I can do it. Don't want to clear cache and lose everything. Sorry I am used to TWRP2.
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borijess said:
I think he just cleared the cache.
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Lol okay. What ever you say. I know how to clear that it was a completely different screen

raiu said:
Lol okay. What ever you say. I know how to clear that it was a completely different screen
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Did your build number change or kernel version?

raiu said:
Lol okay. What ever you say. I know how to clear that it was a completely different screen
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There is an option to update and clear cache in recovery. Maybe there's a recovery software on the phone that let's you do a dirty flash. Just guessing.
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raiu said:
Lol okay. What ever you say. I know how to clear that it was a completely different screen
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There is a proprietary software for Samsung devices that phone companies/certified repair centers have that make everything one click.
For the life of me I can't remember the name of it atm.

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There is a proprietary software for Samsung devices that phone companies/certified repair centers have that make everything one click.
For the life of me I can't remember the name of it atm.
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Samsung Smart tool. It's somewhere between a cache wipe and a full Odin flash. I've heard it equated to resubmitting an OTA. Don't know how accurate that is.

First of all what do you mean samsung rep at best buy...second why the hell would you need to flash your brand new device in the first place....if there was some "rep" from Samsung it would be likely that protocol for flashing anything to a device from a customer entering your customers(best buy in this case) store is not likely and there is no reason for it....unless you ruined your phone by trying to "flash" something it would be the only reason to send it into download mode and reflash the Ota to fix it....but that would be a service center from att which would never exist in a bestbuy....and you would have lost all unless you store files and apps to either the sd card or the transfer program att uses not sure exactly what it's called but they can save what you want then just put it back when they are done usually only contacts apps and data files that are direct but you lose the saved Info from the apps because the cache has been wiped then when you turn on your phone it will be a little snappier...there is nothing besides the Ota that's even available to flash to it so you probably just cleaned up your cached and the phone isn't having to look for it anymore...
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First of all what do you mean samsung rep at best buy...second why the hell would you need to flash your brand new device in the first place....if there was some "rep" from Samsung it would be likely that protocol for flashing anything to a device from a customer entering your customers(best buy in this case) store is not likely and there is no reason for it....unless you ruined your phone by trying to "flash" something it would be the only reason to send it into download mode and reflash the Ota to fix it....but that would be a service center from att which would never exist in a bestbuy....and you would have lost all unless you store files and apps to either the sd card or the transfer program att uses not sure exactly what it's called but they can save what you want then just put it back when they are done usually only contacts apps and data files that are direct but you lose the saved Info from the apps because the cache has been wiped then when you turn on your phone it will be a little snappier...there is nothing besides the Ota that's even available to flash to it so you probably just cleaned up your cached and the phone isn't having to look for it anymore...
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Some of you are real dicks. Sorry. Not sorry . I'm not a noon and I've had every note device that's been put out. I don't have to prove myself to anyone this was said to help people and all you do is flame people . go back to 4chan or reditt
He flashed the last update for my phone. I watched him do it.
Sometimes when the phone is made there could be errors when the files are migrated for the first time.

I too have had best buy flash proper firmware to my note 3 when it was in an odd state due to my shenanigans. It is a full rom install.

The Smart tool does flash firmware. Generally it's non carrier specific Sammy "stock" FW but it's been a long time since I've seen it so that may have changed. You should upload a system dump for the devs to look at. It's probably nothing but it does have the off chance of being something they could use to find an exploit.
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First of all what do you mean samsung rep at best buy...second why the hell would you need to flash your brand new device in the first place....if there was some "rep" from Samsung it would be likely that protocol for flashing anything to a device from a customer entering your customers(best buy in this case) store is not likely and there is no reason for it....unless you ruined your phone by trying to "flash" something it would be the only reason to send it into download mode and reflash the Ota to fix it....but that would be a service center from att which would never exist in a bestbuy....and you would have lost all unless you store files and apps to either the sd card or the transfer program att uses not sure exactly what it's called but they can save what you want then just put it back when they are done usually only contacts apps and data files that are direct but you lose the saved Info from the apps because the cache has been wiped then when you turn on your phone it will be a little snappier...there is nothing besides the Ota that's even available to flash to it so you probably just cleaned up your cached and the phone isn't having to look for it anymore...
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Apparently you have not heard of the Samsung Experience Centers inside of BestBuys. We have one in my BB and there are a few hundred of them nationwide.
They are not carrier reps and they are not BB employees. They are Samsung sales reps and technicians and have full access to a multitude of proprietary tools.

I'm not a noon either (proud to be n00b) but raiu is tight, stop being dicks on here. Right now a number of devs have said they don't want to work on this device because the user community.

n00b1269 said:
I'm not a noon either (proud to be n00b) but raiu is tight, stop being dicks on here. Right now a number of devs have said they don't want to work on this device because the user community.
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Sadly this is the nature of the internet. It is full of armchair experts, who feel the need to comment negativly on everything that is posted. You get used to ignoring it. As you can see from this post, every post draws some (or a lot) of crap, and there are a few nuggets mixed in that make the questions, and comments worth it. Thanks for your information.
Could you imagine if it is a different build number, we would all storm Best Buy and push them to update out devices. It would be cool to watch. We would post lists of reps and their locations and schedules who were the easiest to talk into doing the reflash. Lets do it!
What is the build number on your system? Maybe you got the mystery update that AT&T hasn't (and likely won't) release....

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I'm not a noon either (proud to be n00b) but raiu is tight, stop being dicks on here. Right now a number of devs have said they don't want to work on this device because the user community.
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I know it's a shame. My friends a dev and said the same exact thing. But I don't Blame them at all. Idk what happened to the community and helping one another but all it seems like it's so can bash someone the best and it's an absolute shame...just my two cents
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We need mod that will close the threads, move the fights out of root threads, and possibly block the people stirring the ****. If this community wants to act like children, treat them as such, we have had to do it at xda many a time...... that being said, I have been here a long, long while. Back when ppcgeeks was actually competition, that long. In all the time I have been here, this community right here seems to be comprised of some of the whiney-iest assholes I have seen. Grow the **** up. You want root so badly, attract devs with more than a bounty. And remember it is a pledge if you go that route, it's a donation, not that dev works for you.
Be adults and more devs will come, or keep being like this and watch the empire fall, you guys decide

n00b1269 said:
We need mod that will close the threads, move the fights out of root threads, and possibly block the people stirring the ****. If this community wants to act like children, treat them as such, we have had to do it at xda many a time...... that being said, I have been here a long, long while. Back when ppcgeeks was actually competition, that long. In all the time I have been here, this community right here seems to be comprised of some of the whiney-iest assholes I have seen. Grow the **** up. You want root so badly, attract devs with more than a bounty. And remember it is a pledge if you go that route, it's a donation, not that dev works for you.
Be adults and more devs will come, or keep being like this and watch the empire fall, you guys decide
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Couldn't ******* agree more. ..nicely said
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The best are the people on here that say that they "need" root and act like it is owed to them. The reality is that nobody needs root, we simply want it. And it's certainly not owed to us.
With that being said, I want root just as much as the next guy or girl. But I'm not gonna cry or lose sleep over it if we don't get it. I love this phone as is.

So, back on subject.... Did you see anything change in the versions of about phone?