Today i was checking the alpharev site and i saw many HBOOTs to flash.
Which are the differences between them?
Depends on the ROM you are using, if it's a Sense based one there is a HBOOT suited to Sense whereas for AOSP there are other specific HBOOT for example, Oxygen and CM7. Depends ont he ROM and your requirements.
For me, I chose CM7 HBOOT as it means I can run the CM7 ROM just like the stock ROM i.e. keep as many apps as possible on the phone (for improved performance and also main functionality should the sd card be unavailable for whatever reason) and use 'move to phone' function within the app itself should I need to create space. It means less reliance on the sd card as opposed to using other ways such as a2sd+ and data2sd etc. That's my pref though.
AOSP definately go for CM7 or Oxygen. It depends on the rom and how much cache it will need. Sometimes roms need more cache so downloading apps become a problem because there isn't enough cache left. Anyway, SenseHD roms need the stock hboot but for normal Sense roms, just use Bravo Sense.
Can I use Bravo sense hboot with stock desire sense rom??
The bravo hboot is the stock hboot that comes from HTC.
I thought that the first one on this site:
http://alpharev.nl/
Bravo Stock 1.8 250M 40M 147M is the default one, but my question is, if I could use Bravo Sense 180M 40M 217M hboot for original stock sense rom (which came up with the phone)
edit: nevermind I've looked into terminal and the /system is about 250M big and 148M is used so answer is no...
Hi
i only prefer you flash an alternate HBOOT, only if you need "Custom Partition Tables"
Many Roms are offered as "CM HBOOT" Version, the SYSTEM Partition is smaller, but you have the different Space in userdata , e.g More space for you
If theres no argument about HBOOT Version in ROM Description, so leave STOCK (original), just read the Description of the ROM-Developer which hboot is required
Sorry for my bad english, im from Austria *lol*
Greetz
Joachim
Sorry forgot there was a sense one. You can use bravo sense if you remove a lot of system apps but it will make it a little j stable, that's if you do it yourself.
There are plenty of sense roms out there that use the CM7 hboot
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Hello, I am a noob, i dont want to be a noob, but i am one anyway, so be kind and answer my noob questions
( and yes i did tried to find the answers and no i didn't find them.. )
1. after rooting with unrevoked - ( default sttings - no touching )
what ROM whould i have?
the same Stock HTC Sense Froyo - Android 2.2 + ROOT (superuser, busybox..)
or a Stock Android 2.2 rom?
1.1 and could i install apps2sd+ on that rooted system?
1.2 or i would be without any rom, and i would need to install one from the SD from Recovery ( the default one after enrevoked - Clockwork )
( i'm planning on this one)
1.3. if i do have some rom installed after unrevooked: what do i get from that Rom i wish to download from XDA that i dont get in the Rom after enrevoked?
anywhere i look for the anser to that i cant find a difinative answer for that..
2. what is the recommended methon to create an ext3/4 partition and what is the max or recommended partition size for Desire (i have 16GB low-class sandisk SD, but i dont mind waitng)
well the answers ARE out there (yes they are) but here you go again:
1.1) after gaining root with unrevoked you will simply have a stock HTC rom with root access (and a custom recovery - clockworkmod)
1.2) you cannot apply A2SD+ to this ROM you will have right after rooting, what you can do is to download a pre-rooted Stock ROM (same as one you have now) with A2SD+ implemented. however it would be stupid, custom roms are faster, better in performance and in battery life so go for them)
1.3) i guess the answer is the same as for the 1.2nd Q
2) best method is to use Gparted Live CD (it is a bootable CD) download it and burn to a CD then boot it up @ pc. mount USB storage in recovery on the phone, plug it in PC and format your sd.
for a2sd+ FAT32 and after a 1GB EXT3/4 (ext4 is better, dont use more than 1GB it may cause trouble, and 1GB is looots of space)
for data2ext or other there should be a recommended partition layout that will make them work as good as they can in your ROM's thread.
also as you are a new user i do recommend going S-OFF (is as easy as rooting, seriously - CD method) then appling a custom hboot and running an InsertCoin ROM CM7 - with custom hboot it will be super fast and you will get lots of space.
when doing S-OFF remember to be either on stock rooted rom or on oxygen rom.
Thanks for the answer, for now i'm planning on the Stock pre-rooted one with a2sd+.
that's because i'm looking for a rom with:
1. Sense ( Froyo sense since the GingerB sensation sense needs S-OFF..)
2. a2sd+ ( Max optimal size for the partition )
2. Minimal add-on apps on the Rom.
3. Minimal removed apps ( maybe with ability to manualy remove a system app but i dont know if that again requires S-OFF )
4. maybe a gingerbread style shutdown\wakeup ( CRT Style ) animation?
i allready searched the pinned topics for a Rom like that and all i found is the pre-rooted stock..
i dont want to be deviating from the Stock sense with too many changes, and on the other hand i do want to be able to make some changes to the rom.
the rom i currently wish to use has Undervolt -100mv and it says it's for support with the kernel of the RUU, but if it's a pre rooted why isnt it allready supporing the RUU..?
and in that Rom's page there is a recommended Radio img, but i Dont have to change to it right..? ( It's only recommended NOT required.. )
anyway my RUU+Radio is:
RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.29.405.5_Radio_32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_159811_signed.exe
Nearly all GB ROM's will work fine with S-ON (Stock HBOOT), dunno where did you get this info.
Example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038195]
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Nearly all GB ROM's will work fine with S-ON (Stock HBOOT), dunno where did you get this info.
Example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038195]
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got that info from my local android fans forum, which also didnt gave me difinative answer yet..
Then now you know - you dont need S-OFF for Gingerbread A2SD ROM's.
As for number 2.
Use g-parted to make the partitions, there is a video guide in the desire dev forums, its on of the stickys. I would post a link, but I'm not at my pc . You don't really want to go over the 1GB for the ext partition, any thing bigger starts to slow down the ROM
I had a feeling that the GB roms did need a new radio, or at least some if them do. But the ROM should tell you if that is the case.
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in both the Roms i now intresten in it says 'Recommended' Radio, and since i'm a Noob user i do not have premission to post at the dev forums and ask on the Rom's topic.
one of them is acually the radio i ahve now, but the LeeDroid one Recommends a deffrent one and again from the info i gathered from my local forum for android 2.3 with Sense i HAVE to change the radio, is that true \ false?
is Recommended = Required || OR || Recommended != Required..
<@LeeDrOiD-> matched radio is generally a good idea - iRC channel...
you never MUST change radio
it is only recommended, do it if you encounter problems with connectivity after flashing a rom (reception, wi-fi etc)
however i think you MUST have a radio from 2.2 (froyo) roms at least
if you rooted while on 2.2 you should be ok, if you were on 2.1 while rooting try updating the radio
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054435
Awesome rom ... try it Don't need s-off
Flash radio from first page also ...
3. Minimal removed apps ( maybe with ability to manualy remove a system app but i dont know if that again requires S-OFF ) - System app remover is an option
why in LeeDroid's rom and and the last submitted rom, there's undervolt?
why does the Rom needs to be undervolt and how does that effect the preformance&stability of the system?
Also What is the best method for saving space ( a2sd+ \ data2whatever \ ...? )
ROMs dont need undervolting, they dont need anything...
undervolting is set up in kernel, and it means the processor will work under smaller voltage which leads to better battery life but generally it compromises stability. however they wouldnt set it to a value that would cause trouble, so this is just an info for geeks so that they know that by default the kernel provided with rom undervolts the cpu (some may not like that, as they want for example best performance - overclocking rather than undervolting)
Thanks alot guys, you really helped me!
hopefully the rooting would go as smooth as butter,
i havn't dicided on a rom yet, since all the ones you sent in this thread are looking great!
Just try all of them and decide yourself.
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I also wouldn't recommend that you do the S-Off until you've played with rom's and decided that you really must try a CM7 hboot rom or something. There's plenty can be done with S-On and it gives a degree of safety against bricking the phone. I speak from experience. I did however recover mine in the end after much learning but I really wouldn't go S-Off unless / until you understand the dangers associated with it and the somewhat limited benefits to those who know little of Linux or the Android OS.
what are the roms that dont require s-off? i am too lazy to get rid of S but i want a nice rom.
Thank you
Every ROM which has A2SD+ version. Data++/Cm7 Versions require S-OFF.
i have a few other questions if you dont mind?
1) Some roms say i need ext partitions or something, do i REALLY need it?
2) In your opinion what is the best most stable sense rom i can use?
3) is there a way to improve the low in call volume? and the sensitivity of the trackpad?
4) Thank you for answering my questions
1. Sense ROMs do need the EXT partition (especially the new Sense 2.1+3.0 ones) - at least 1GB.
AOSP ROMs may not require it, but it is always good to have an EXT partition to avoid problems - such as running out of Internal memory. I use 512MB Ext4 and have a plenty of space on Gingervillian 2.7
2. I'd say it's LeeDroid's latest one: This
3. I not aware of those, but you should ask it in the ROM's thread - the developer / users may know more.
4. You're welcome.
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Every ROM which has A2SD+ version. Data++/Cm7 Versions require S-OFF.
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This is the first I have heard of this, have I missed something?
a lot of the roms dont _need_ an ext partition, but you may find you have tiny space afterwards if you don't use one.
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This is the first I have heard of this, have I missed something?
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Well Data++ and CM7 ROMs require modified HBOOTs, which can be changed only if you have S-Off.
Hi guys. I just got s-off today with revolutionary. But what's next? I mean could s-off allow me to do better stuffs?
It gives you numerous advantages, for example now you can remove system apps while booted up (try SystemAppRemover from Market).
You can uninstall anything you want if you're not using it. Here is small preview what is safe to remove and what not - http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Barebones
You can also change your partition layout which will give you more space for apps.
http://alpharev.nl/
Most ROM's support CM7r2, Oxygen is also very popular for AOSP Rom's like Oxygen, Redux, DevNull etc.
Before changing hboot make sure that the ROM you want to use supports it.
Could also mention that with S-OFF it's way easier to recover your phone if you "break" something while flashing stuff.
I just bought a Desire that has a custom ROM on it. Ginger villain 2.7. Baseband 32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27
I want to put on a different Rom, preferably one with Sense. I saw a few that I liked.
How would I go about changing the Rom?
Also, I am in Canada, on the Telus network; would I need a new radio?
I saw one rom had certain requirements :
A2SD CM7 HBOOT - cm7 hboot from alpharev.nl - the one with 130 mB for /system
- 1 gB ext2/3/4 partition
A2SD+ STOCK HBOOT - stock hboot - the one with 250 mB for /system
- 1 gB ext2/3/4 partition
How would I know if the phone already has one of those or not?
I also like how LeeDroid's rom looks.
Thanks everyone
I am not new to roms and android, but when I add a custom Rom on my other android devices, I usually just stick with the updates to that rom and never switch from one rom to a different rom, which is why I am asking!
Power the phone off. After that power it on while holding the volume down button to enter bootloader. Then you'll write what is written in the first line and we'll tell you what you have and what you need to get somewhere you want.
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power the phone off. After that power it on while holding the volume down button to enter bootloader. Then you'll write what is written in the first line and we'll tell you what you have and what you need to get somewhere you want.
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bravo pvt3 ship s-on
and then
hboot-0.93.0001
..etc...
You have stock hboot then and you are not s-off. You can only flash roms which require stock hboot, unless you gain s-off and change the partition table. Visit alpharev for guidance on how to do that.
Go here.... www.revolutionary.io
follow the steps the to gain s-off and reply back when you have done so.
if you dont fancy going down the s-off route yet you can still use pretty much any rom, you dont NEED to be s-off it just has a lot of advantages, but get used to flashing roms before you go through with s-off, read lots of guides so you understand it all.
hi...
i used this guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
to root my phone and get a custom rom.
i choose the Insertcoin with CM7 hboot 130mb for apps... i though that would be enough when i had 1gb ext2 on my sd card, but most of my apps cant be moved to sd card
link to rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016940
so i wonder if i could use the other one with the 250mb for apps?
as the guide says i have used the alpharev method to S-off, but im not sure if i can use the insert rom cause it says it needs stock hboot?
are there maybe other roms that you can recommend that is stable and something like insertcoin (or better)?
If you have an ext-partition apps are on the sd-card even if they don't say so, so you have space for more apps than you might think(as they don't take up nearly as much space as they indicate).
But in order to maximize this, go to oxygen. It's a very stable rom with plenty of free space. Use the oxygen hboot from alpharev and then flash the rom from here:
http://forum.oxygen.im/viewtopic.php?id=514 With this i have around 330 mb on data(the partition for apps) and a little less after first boot.
edit: of course you can get almost unlimited space by using any data2ext rom, but they are just so much slower.
as far as I can see, oxygen isnt based on any htc rom... and I kind of like the new sense, and would prefer to stick with that...
i think the speed of insertcoin is fine, i havent had any problems with it yet...
i will ty to look for the data2ext roms could be worth trying
sure but you should find the aosp one much speedier. Anyway with data2ext you will get a data partition the size of the ext-partition, which means in your case you'll get 1 gb for apps.