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It is not quite self-explaining how to install Android on our Windows Mobile devices. Therefore I took some time and wrote down all the steps for people who are new to "Android".
More testers -> more experience -> more knowledge -> faster/better development.
I hope this way the forum is kept clean(er) from all kinds of questioned that have already been answered many times.
ReadMe Includes:
- Partitioning
- Device preparations
- Boot loader
- Install steps
- Fixes
- Links
- more...
If you are a developer (you create your own package) feel free to use my ReadMe for your packages (update regularly though).
to download the ReadMe click the [Android Repository] button in my signature.
It goes to a rapidshare page with 3 files, and when I click on the filename Android_README.TXT
or start download, I get the error
The file could not be found. Please check the download link.
ok thanks. i fixed it (rs bug when renaming files ^^)
How would i partition a 1GB SD Card? ie what sizes etc are the last 3 same but the unallocated is just whats left over?
I want to use a spare card rather then the one that came with my HD.
ATHiEST said:
How would i partition a 1GB SD Card? ie what sizes etc are the last 3 same but the unallocated is just whats left over?
I want to use a spare card rather then the one that came with my HD.
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normally just calculate how i wrote in the readme:
whole space -768 (3* 256) and then the other 3 x 256
but in ur case i would make the swap smaller (i think its not even used at all) and the fat32 bigger; for instance:
fat32 - 384 MB
ext2 - 256 MB
ext2 - 256 MB
swap - 128 MB (rest)
To be honest the bit I find most confusing is all the different versions!
i didnt create any partitions on my card, and android works as good as it does on any, mind you i have not updated the files fo0r a month so alot might have changed
ReadMe updated!
updated a bit...
Geeba said:
To be honest the bit I find most confusing is all the different versions!
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i agree...
i've been looking these posts here for a couple of days now and i still don't know how to do it....
especially the DualBoot thing...
is it possible to make a little bigger how-to manual?
or at least explain the versioning and the needed thing a little more?
the readme is about 50 times longer than anything else u will find about installing android anywhere else
the different versions are just like in windows mobile, theres not much to explain, its rather up to ur personal preference. doesnt take as long as flashing a wm rom, so its easy to try out more versions, especially with more sd cards.
dual boot is easy:
1. install the cab
2. open the dual boot program and make all your settings, for example: auto boot android (click on the checkbox/ratio under android logo), check auto boot checkbox and check fast boot (means 3 instead of 10 secs).
3. restart your device, DONT LAUNCH HARET because that will destroy all the dualboot settings. if you restart/shutdown the device normally, the settings will be stored and android will automatically booted at next startup (or whatever you set before)
if you have android autoboot and u want to boot wm, just QUICKLY press the wm LOGO when the dual boot screen appears.
i might include this in the readme soon, just dont have the time right now unfortunally
N!ghty said:
the readme is about 50 times longer than anything else u will find about installing android anywhere else
the different versions are just like in windows mobile, theres not much to explain, its rather up to ur personal preference. doesnt take as long as flashing a wm rom, so its easy to try out more versions, especially with more sd cards.
dual boot is easy:
1. install the cab
2. open the dual boot program and make all your settings, for example: auto boot android (click on the checkbox/ratio under android logo), check auto boot checkbox and check fast boot (means 3 instead of 10 secs).
3. restart your device, DONT LAUNCH HARET because that will destroy all the dualboot settings. if you restart/shutdown the device normally, the settings will be stored and android will automatically booted at next startup (or whatever you set before)
if you have android autoboot and u want to boot wm, just QUICKLY press the wm LOGO when the dual boot screen appears.
i might include this in the readme soon, just dont have the time right now unfortunally
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Thanks for the dualboot help... i'll try that...
the first problem I have encountered yesterday when trying to put Android was SD card formating...
i downloaded the program you said and followed the instructions oh how-to and was not able to do it under Windows 7 with my 16GB SD card... does it even work for Windows 7??? is there another program I can try to do it with???
I have also dualboot on my PC with the Kubuntu being the second OS, but I'm not using it as much as Windows 7... I can try with it if you think it will work.. but first I have to download the 15GB of data from my SD card to my PC, again
I would like to put the Espresso build cause I saw that it has everything working beside the GPRS and camera...
can you tell me what should I download for my Blackstone so it works properly???
thanks alot...
qtype said:
Thanks for the dualboot help... i'll try that...
the first problem I have encountered yesterday when trying to put Android was SD card formating...
i downloaded the program you said and followed the instructions oh how-to and was not able to do it under Windows 7 with my 16GB SD card... does it even work for Windows 7??? is there another program I can try to do it with???
I have also dualboot on my PC with the Kubuntu being the second OS, but I'm not using it as much as Windows 7... I can try with it if you think it will work.. but first I have to download the 15GB of data from my SD card to my PC, again
I would like to put the Espresso build cause I saw that it has everything working beside the GPRS and camera...
can you tell me what should I download for my Blackstone so it works properly???
thanks alot...
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like the readme says: partitioning is only needed for partitined builds, which means that android uses several partitions to store different kinds of data, for - hopefully - more speed. only glossy uses partitions, espresso doesnt.
for glossy, u can also use ubuntu (download parted magic or something similar) to create partitions.
for espresso, u just need to copy the stuff onto ur sdcard.
but thats all in the readme... i dont have time to explain in detail coz i need to study a whole ****in lot at the moment +.+
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like the readme says: partitioning is only needed for partitined builds, which means that android uses several partitions to store different kinds of data, for - hopefully - more speed. only glossy uses partitions, espresso doesnt.
for glossy, u can also use ubuntu (download parted magic or something similar) to create partitions.
for espresso, u just need to copy the stuff onto ur sdcard.
but thats all in the readme... i dont have time to explain in detail coz i need to study a whole ****in lot at the moment +.+
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ok... thanks for the help... you helped me a lot just with the claryfication of the versions that need partitioning and the ones that don't...
i didn't know that...
good luck with studying!!!!
one more question...
I get the following message '' Failed to load file\Storage Card\zImage''
Can you help me with that????
qtype said:
one more question...
I get the following message '' Failed to load file\Storage Card\zImage''
Can you help me with that????
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meaning u dont have a zImage at all (ur probably using espresso?). so download one from here, copy files onto sd card and rename "zImage.xxxxxx" to "zImage" and ur ready to go.
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meaning u dont have a zImage at all (ur probably using espresso?). so download one from here, copy files onto sd card and rename "zImage.xxxxxx" to "zImage" and ur ready to go.
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yep, I downloaded it but I didn't know that i have to rename it...
It did the trick... booting up Android
thanks for all of your help...
updated the readme, not includes DualBoot howto and some other changes...
I managed to get the WiFi working but no matter which zImage I'm using I can't get the 3G to work...
I'm I doing something wrong or did I maybe forgot to do something????
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I managed to get the WiFi working but no matter which zImage I'm using I can't get the 3G to work...
I'm I doing something wrong or did I maybe forgot to do something????
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well, some details about what version you are using would be helpful. however, this is not the right channel to ask this question. i think this question has already been asked several times in other threads. try search function or read the thread for ur version, its probably a version-issue or only for your country/provider
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well, some details about what version you are using would be helpful. however, this is not the right channel to ask this question. i think this question has already been asked several times in other threads. try search function or read the thread for ur version, its probably a version-issue or only for your country/provider
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sorry about that...I realized it later that I should ask in another thread that question...
I managed to figure it out... I just needed to manually configure my APN settings...
Hi,
is there a way back to Windows mobile after NAND installation of android. Need instuctions.
thanks,
t0nNe
tonne99 said:
Hi,
is there a way back to Windows mobile after NAND installation of android. Need instuctions.
thanks,
t0nNe
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I think you've missed the sticky...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
It also explains how to get back to WinMo.
Hi,
I think I followed all instructions to switch back to WiMo in the sticky thread.
For a second the display shows a screen with four colours:
KAIS130
SPL-3.28.0000
CPLD-8
Then the screen turns to grey showing:
Loading ...
but nothing else happens.
Data on my sdcard:
KAISDIAG.NBH form the sticky thread
KAISimg.nbh (renamed RUU_signed.nbh) form rom file from this thread:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379554
Do I have the right files on my sdcard?
My phone: T-Mobile MDA Vario III
Any suggestions?
thanks,
t0nNe
Thats not a stock WM rom, I'd recommend looking for Kaiser_HTC_ASIA_HK_WWE_3.34.721.2.exe
That is the last HTC stock rom, and should flash either from Bootloader using USB, or by extracting and renaming RUU_Signed.NBH and flashing by SD card.
Note that it is safest to Format the SD card before copying files and flashing, just to make sure that there are no other files or folders that could possibly confuse things.
Things to check, if using bootloader and USB, make sure you remove the SD card first. Before you enter bootloader unplug the usb cable too, now camera+power, the bootloader screen should display 'Serial' on the bottom white area, after this plug in the USB cable, it should now say 'USB', once this is showing run the file above and plunge you back into the hell that is WM
For SD card method, make certain that only the KAISimg.nbh file is on SD, and when you enter bootloader mode note that it may take a little while to read and check the NBH, since it is around 100MB, so be patient.
Hi zenity,
I deleted the KAISDIAG.NBH form my sdcard and took the renamed ruu_signed.nbh from mda-vario.exe from german t-mobile site.
Now it works fine.
Thank you for your support.
t0nNe
This happened to me last week. I wanted to check how WM used to look on the Kaiser, and I got into the same issue...
Man, WM on Kaiser looks terrible! Android is much faster and more usable than WM, even with the latest ROMs.
I'm not saying that WM is not a capable OS, it's just very hard to use on a small screen. On my HD2 at least, it runs quite fast to compensate for any aesthetic issues
tonne99 said:
Hi zenity,
I deleted the KAISDIAG.NBH form my sdcard and took the renamed ruu_signed.nbh from mda-vario.exe from german t-mobile site.
Now it works fine.
Thank you for your support.
t0nNe
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Glad I could help, and it's a good thing to have that file if you ever decide that WM is not as much fun as Android, ( I give it a week maximum before you reflash ).
hello devs,
tonne99 said:
For a second the display shows a screen with four colours:
KAIS130
SPL-3.28.0000
CPLD-8
Then the screen turns to grey showing:
Loading ...
but nothing else happens.
Data on my sdcard:
KAISDIAG.NBH form the sticky thread
KAISimg.nbh (renamed RUU_signed.nbh) form rom file from this thread:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379554
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my KAISER is:
KAIS130
SPL-1.94.0000
CPLD-8
zenity said:
Thats not a stock WM rom, I'd recommend looking for Kaiser_HTC_ASIA_HK_WWE_3.34.721.2.exe
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where can i find a stock ROM? could you give me a link for Kaiser_HTC_ASIA_HK_WWE_3.34.721.2.exe
tonne99 said:
Hi zenity,
I deleted the KAISDIAG.NBH form my sdcard and took the renamed ruu_signed.nbh from mda-vario.exe from german t-mobile site.
Now it works fine.
Thank you for your support.
t0nNe
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or a link for mda-vario.exe
thank you very much...
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... only the KAISimg.nbh file is on SD...
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hımmm...
i think it's ok...
i'm waiting
i'm so excited
i want to donate to you zenity
but i don't know how to donating...
Hey
can any one help me to install (use) Android on My Touch Diamond ?
i read many thread but i cant install it
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- the first, u download android package full (ex : [Donut 1.6 Donut][Samsung Galaxy S Theme][Released 07.16.2010] ) , extract it on pc, copy all files to Internal storage ( diamond ) , then copy file STARTUP.TXT in folder startup to outside (root)...done !
- chose haret.exe in root and wait android boot on divice
escoda said:
Hey
can any one help me to install (use) Android on My Touch Diamond ?
i read many thread but i cant install it
ty
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First of all you have to decide on which version you use. If you wanna use Xdandroid-method then go the way escoda recommended you.
If you wanna try something else then try my builds (requires partitioning)
vatoloco said:
If you wanna try something else then try my builds (requires partitioning)
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Hi vatoloco, can you tell me how partitioning diamond on windows?
As far as i know you can't, but you can use Gparted, a freeware linux app.
If you haven't got linux, you can just download a live gparted cd and boot directly from this one, without changing your OS at all
cinars said:
- the first, u download android package full (ex : [Donut 1.6 Donut][Samsung Galaxy S Theme][Released 07.16.2010] ) , extract it on pc, copy all files to Internal storage ( diamond ) , then copy file STARTUP.TXT in folder startup to outside (root)...done !
- chose haret.exe in root and wait android boot on divice
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many thanks i'll try it now
vatoloco said:
First of all you have to decide on which version you use. If you wanna use Xdandroid-method then go the way escoda recommended you.
If you wanna try something else then try my builds (requires partitioning)
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vatoloco thanks for ur reply i'll try it as soon as i can
OK...New to this and would love to learn and understand how to mod my phones...I have an LG eve, Iphone 3g and a HTC touch diamond and have figured out how to jailbreak the iphone...Now I know the LG eve is hopeless as far as upgrades and I am trying to figure out how to install Android on my Diamond...So far I have copied the files to a folder...
The 2 root access files are copied to my internal storage however i am not sure what to do about the Galaxy s build....Do I copy the whole folder or do I copy everything but the start up config file? I am a bit confused...Please help...Oh and will I still have Windows in the phone or does this take it out? Oh and if I have issues can I revert back to windows? Sorry for all the newbie questions...I have searched and read for like a month now and it seems so complicated...This is the first thread that seems simple enough...Please help me...Thanks so much...
Ok so I copied the files and am not sure where to find the STARTUP.TXT files..? I found 2 files in the Galaxy folder in the start up config however one of them is Black start up and other is called Diam start up ? with one do I copy? Or am I am the wrong path? I also opened the Haret.exe file on the phone and get the error:
cannot open script file/internal...etc...Please help...
Thanks
Andy
please help? I have tried everything I can think of and have been reading for like 8 hours now and still can't seem to get it to work...I download the above files and then copied the startup.txt in the other partition and when i click on the Haret.exe...nothing happens...Tried it like 20 times...When you run file wizard starts it automatically has the install.exe or something like that...should I replace it with something else? please help...I am having a hard time explaining this so if you need more info please let me know...thanks
I tried to use Android on diamond by using sometime like Eclair but unstable and slow. It takes me almost 5 minutes to boot up and gives me a crash when I use it for minutes.
Is there any way to remove the windows and just use Android instead? Thanks.
Hi, I also had issues installing Android. First I thought it was too nasty.
Finally, by mixing many instructions I got it.
I would say, for [Xd]Android with an EXT2 partition (from Linux):
1/
Start Ubuntu from a bootable CD (No need to install it) and follow the steps from Vatoloco (Thx for this video) here:
Video1
When done you can move back to windows. You should take some notes from the video to do the same.
2/
- Then you can take the Neopeek Android Installer V1.1, found on Neopeek's website:
CyanogenMod6 - Port
+extract on your pc
- Also download the Android build (for example the one here from Neopeek) called "CM6 RC3 (Nightlie Build 17-08-2010)" on the same page.
- And the "HARET-PaketV1.5" +extract on your pc
3/
- Rename the Android build you just downloaded as "androidinstall.tar.gz"
- Then copy "npkinstall" folder to your internal storage (the fat32 partition)
- In your "internal storage\npkinstall" folder, copy the android build "androidinstall.tar.gz"
- In your "internal storage\" (root) copy what is contained in "Haret-PaketV1.5"
- Copy the "startup.txt" file from your own device (found here: "internal storage\Startups" to the root : "Internal storage\"
===== You're done ====
4/ The only step remaining is to run the 2 programs:
- "Internal storage\npkinstall\install.exe"
(It doesn't take too long, if you read what is written (and readable ), you can see if it worked)
Your device will restart at the end of the installation.
- Then Run the last program:
"Internal Storage\haret.exe"
It takes longer. When Android starts it seems to be bugged but finally work if you are patient. Next restart will be a lot better.
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On my side, I used Android only a few hours as it did not meet my expectations.
It works perfectly and is smooth enough. But I will perhaps use Android when we won't need to have windows also installed.
Hope it helps! I just collected some infos and put that in 1 thread.
is it reccomended to use this android http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735978 all day, always? i don't like WM so i wanna use android. but does it work fine? sms photo and internet?
daniel93 said:
is it reccomended to use this android http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735978 all day, always? i don't like WM so i wanna use android. but does it work fine? sms photo and internet?
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hi
I use this one now for a 5 or 6 days without going back to WinMO and it still works perfect. only thing is that you have to charge twice or more a daybecause you cant see the correct battery state. last time i checked the uptime without charging was around the 8 hours. but i didnt know how long it lasted after that.
you can download it from this page
|prj||XDANDROID||2.2||AOSP||19.8.10|SYSTEM-UPDATE||
with the latest kernel initrd and rootfs
you can download these from here
xdandroid.com.
also check the above page often because it will be continues updated
They only thing that isn't working is the Camera/Video function.
Have fun with it
Fill
Hello,
I need some help. Install its Android OS, but after he reset my Kaiser again charged WinMo OS. My question is whether it is possible to choose which OS to load first or with any program or edit the file to indicate to launch the first Android.
Sorry for my bad english :S Use Google translator
If you have installed Android to SD card and use Haret.exe then it will always reboot to WM.
You must install to nand if you wish to boot to Android only, which will wipe WM totally and replace it with Android.
The guide stickied at the top of the forum is a good tutorial in doing this
That does bring a good point to my mind though, we could create an exe that loads at startup of wm to auto load haret and startup if the user doesn't cancel in so many seconds (like grub). I keep WM on my phone so I can easily change my droid version and also I know everything works including opening office files (actually that's the biggest sticking point for me keeping it).
Thanks for support. Today I try to flash via NAND method.
Kind Regards
Lybomir
I flash my Kaiser with latest zImage-2.6.32-froyo-09-09-10_21 from here http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D and my device loading Android OS very slow, and big problem is : Phone go in screensaver and I try to unlock and screeen stay only in white light, no picture, no widgets... total block. Only solution is it a use Soft reset button or remove batery
Maybe you choose the wrong panel type?
I can read in your signature Duo Boot so I guess you installed onto the SD and use Haret to run Android.
If so, you have to edit the default.txt file locate in ANDBOOT folder and modify the value following htckaiser.panel_type.
You can specify 1, 2 or 3 (most Kaisers use panel type 2)
Wrong panel type may lead to awake problems or wrong colors...
The excessive slowness may be due to a slow SD. Which class is it? Use at least class 4 SD.
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In case you already flashed to NAND, to change the panel type you have to choose the right kernel (the kaisimg file) or you can edit the one you flashed following instructions and links you can find in #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
obviously you have to reflash the kaisimg.nbh but you don't need to flash Android again
I try with 1,2 and 3 but every time show me a this problem, and now i run HaRET and in 2 from 3 times phone block and not response only Soft reset work, and if case phone load complete Android and again in screen seaver system not respond... ;(
I flash my phone with ext2 partition on my sd card/ class 4 8 GB SDHC/ and try with system and data on sdcard an again freez white screen/
Sorry for my bad english
dlink.bg said:
I try with 1,2 and 3 but every time show me a this problem, and now i run HaRET and in 2 from 3 times phone block and not response only Soft reset work, and if case phone load complete Android and again in screen seaver system not respond... ;(
I flash my phone with ext2 partition on my sd card/ class 4 8 GB SDHC/ and try with system and data on sdcard an again freez white screen/
Sorry for my bad english
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May you try to install a different build and see if you fall into the same problem?
BTW, just after installing, don't start playing soon with the device: initially skip all settings (touch the android, don't set google account and so on) and leave the phone quiet for at least 10-15 minutes: some builds need to copy file to the cache and playing with the device may interfere with this operation leading to unpredictable effects...
Let we know...
It is slow because you installed it on sdcard.. both partition.. if you are on nand. Try install both partition on nand partition.. and try hawks soad rls 3 as me.. its fastest build for kaiser.. and I haven't ever problem with white screen ata awake.. try it in that haws soad ion build.. you can finf it in that forun.. just find it
Sent from my HTC Kaiser Ion using XDA App
I find a solution! Later I post how find solution
Thanks on every in this thread to help me!
dlink.bg said:
I find a solution! Later I post how find solution
Thanks on every in this thread to help me!
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You're welcome
And I'm waiting to know
Don't suppose any of you have actually seen this thread?
Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.6.0
Should work fine on Kaiser, certainly works fine on other devices, such as Diamond, Blackstone etc
zenity said:
Don't suppose any of you have actually seen this thread?
Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.6.0
Should work fine on Kaiser, certainly works fine on other devices, such as Diamond, Blackstone etc
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Hi Zenity... Yes, know that piece of software.
But as You have to boot WinMo (Yes, I Know, not all the services need to be running but system must be loaded and started, GUI must be running and so on) in order to DualBOOT can start, I can guess it's only a partial time-save... isn't it? Did You tried it?
Have not tried it on my Kaiser, since it is Nand flashed, but I think it is what was being asked for really, a way to boot either WM, or straight into Android on SD.
I don't think it will ever be possible for both WM and Android to co-exist on nand, since there simply is not enough room on the internal memory for both.
It is a time saver on other devices I have tried it on, Diamond, Blackstone, however since neither of these devices is nand-flashable this is more what Gen-Y's dual boot was intended for.
If it was possible to run WM from SD then we might be able to truly Dual Boot, in a similar fashion to Windows/Linux on PC, but as far as I know this is not possible either.
zenity said:
Have not tried it on my Kaiser, since it is Nand flashed, but I think it is what was being asked for really, a way to boot either WM, or straight into Android on SD.
I don't think it will ever be possible for both WM and Android to co-exist on nand, since there simply is not enough room on the internal memory for both.
It is a time saver on other devices I have tried it on, Diamond, Blackstone, however since neither of these devices is nand-flashable this is more what Gen-Y's dual boot was intended for.
If it was possible to run WM from SD then we might be able to truly Dual Boot, in a similar fashion to Windows/Linux on PC, but as far as I know this is not possible either.
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Yes, of course we haven't enough NAND to have both OSes!!!
What I was thinking to (but I'm a lot far to inspect WinMo booting sequence...) is if may be possible to wedge a sort of bootloader running BEFORE the OS loads or in the early booting process and letting we choose to boot WinMo (in NAND) of Android (on SD).
At present moment I've Android running from SD but kernel NANDed (I've got problems running out of NAND and no time to solve them so I'm using the solid build previously installed on SD) so Kaiser boots quickly... and this confirms it's possible boot SD Android without having to load WinMo or Haret. The more relevant matter I can see is that we have to find a way to wedge the bootloader without have to manual modify the WinMo ROM (virtualization is far from be considered on such devices...)
I suppose this is just a "mind exercise" (Sorry, I don't know how to correctly translate an Italian common saying...
Mind exercise describes it perfectly
Not sure why you would run out of space on nand, unless you are loading a lot of apps, and there are ways to run android that may help with that, such as apps2sd, or data on SD partition.
If you must have WM then your only choice would be using Haret.exe, and the most efficient way to dual boot we have at the moment is the Gen-Y solution, which is not ideal, but does offer at least part of what you seek.
The Android bootloader we use (tinboot.s) is not flexible enough to allow dual booting, but may have some information that may be of some use in this
tinboot thread
See what you think anyway
Sorry, I was not able to be clear... I apologize for my English...
When I said "I've got problems running out of NAND" I intended to say "I've got problems - very bad performances - when Android was running from NAND"!!!
Maybe we are a bit OT...
BTW, I was far from software developing for a long while and never developed low level software for Linux/Unix... but in the past I messed up with Z80, 65xx, 68K and x86 platforms's assembly
Recently I need to approach software developing again (but at a really different level...)
I'd like to have spare time to start again, as this world attracts me more. Maybe I'll give it a chance...
Let me understand... tinboot is actually used bootloader?
BTW, just to be clear... I don't need WinMo and I'm giving Android a chance to revive my Kaiser. I'm looking for a fast and stable build and actually I'm running VaniljEclair RLS11 (Yes, I know, I'd try your Polymod 2.1D build... )
Tinboot is the bootloader we use to get android in nand, not being a coder my understanding in limited, however I did think that thread may have useful information for anyone interested in the low level workings of out devices.
I assumed you meant running out of space on nand, lol, i see now what you mean, no need to apologise for you english, it's fine
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however I did think that thread may have useful information for anyone interested in the low level workings of out devices.
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And you're right... it's a useful starting point and I'll read it accurately...
Unluckly, I need a lot of spare time (and I don't, at present) to build a solid knowledge base and to start developing for Android.
yes there should be plenty of room for both oses on Nand, I still have over 90 mb on my wm6.5 nand install with come extra apps in there. So if you stripped down both oses you could easily fit them both on nand and still some space left. But then you need to have a boot loader that will be able to load both oses. I think I heard someone say somewhere they are using grub to boot android from nand, that can boot windows also with the right configuration, that would be where to start.
Is it possible to install Android on Kaiser without SD? Has anyone investigated bundling the /system partition with tinboot so the whole thing is installed with a single KAISIMG?
I ask because I have one Kaiser whose SD reader is broken. If I could install more than a kernel, I could try risky changes to fix the NAND driver. If I brick the phone or kill its flash, it's no big loss.
No, you can't do it now, maybe i can suggest you to look after a method do dump the nand after install and use it as kaiser image
Exactly what I was thinking, but how to negotiate the NAND into the proper size partitions? Write kernel for rom and hope you get the sizes right, or make a kernel that readjusts /system size based on install and leave remainder for /data?
PoXFreak said:
Exactly what I was thinking, but how to negotiate the NAND into the proper size partitions? Write kernel for rom and hope you get the sizes right, or make a kernel that readjusts /system size based on install and leave remainder for /data?
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I don't think thats l1q1d idea... perhaps a complete nand dump, and reflash it to another kaiser.
The kernel and partitions must be configures before the dump...
I do intend to try, but have been distracted by Scoot's very stable kernel, and a very nice pre-beta that I'm testing on my HTC Wizards, Gandalf and Radagast.
This is possible, in fact there was a time where an empty img file was being incorporated into the NBH where on a windows NBH the system files would normally be copied. A windows NBH consists of a number of parts, I can't remember what they are all called right now, but they can all be merged using NBHmerge. I can't give you specific instructions but there's no reason why it can't be done, not sure it'll be much fun though!
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I do intend to try, but have been distracted by Scoot's very stable kernel, and a very nice pre-beta that I'm testing on my HTC Wizards, Gandalf and Radagast.
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pre-beta that you're testing on HTC What ??
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pre-beta that you're testing on HTC What ??
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HTC Wizard. I have two of them, which I have named Radagast and Gandalf. It's my all-time favorite smartphone, although it is obviously even more obsolete than the Kaiser. I use one of them as my primary phone whenever Android is giving me fits. Right now I'm testing H3r7 beta 2 preview where the cook has adeptly squeezed WM6.5 into a tiny, fast, stable package.
If I knew that I wouldn't have given my Wizard away...
I thought Ham3r was finished when he hit 6.1 but I stand corrected...pfft.
help androidinstall.tgz
please share for me : file androidinstall.tgz 2.1 or 2.2 but must run wifi and 3G.
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I think with the proper memory map Android could be installed via FrankenKaiser or something of that sort. Something that addresses the NAND directly through OEMSBL, bypassing the need for a HardSPL. Of course the phone would have to be CID unlocked to do this, but I think it's possible to install via CustomRUU if the mapping was done beforehand.
I have read somewhere that NAND marked as bad in the map still gets "written" to, meaning whatever is supposed to go there is put there and never read. Once unmarked the written info comes back, but that requires a full format anyway.
I say very possible...
I have stopped trying to do this, but wanted to record my latest thoughts in case someone reads this in the future.
I think the best way to install Android on a Kaiser that can't read its sdcard is to edit the initrd then use recovery mode:
* install adbd so it gets started in recovery mode
* allow the menu when sdcard is not installed
* change scripts to look for /data/andboot
* change recovery mode to mount /data partition to usb
Then, of course, you boot the kernel, use the menu, enter recovery mode, transfer androidinstall.tgz and androidupdate.tgz to /data/andboot, then install system, install updates, clear data, and run. If something doesn't work, adb shell or adb push can help.
I think it's too much work to be worth it on this old phone.