I have searched this forum a few times but I can't find anything on the best DSP manager settings. When I plug my phone into my car, the audio works fine, but I'd like more output to my car speakers (to make it louder without having to crank my stereo) and I'd like to tweak the equalizer for more bass/drum output (think the "Rock" setting on an iPod). However, my knowledge of equalizers is basically non-existent so any help would be wildly appreciated.
Thank you!
that's all going to depend on your car setup, speakers, in-car EQ, etc. I'll assume you've got the sound in your car how you like it, you just want to tweak the Evo EQ a bit. (what I mean is, the sound in your car from a CD or even radio already sounds good. You just want to make the Evo sound better.)
To get more Bass/Kick drum sound, you'll want to boost the lowest two bands on DSPManager. The lowest (leftmost) band looks like about 60Hz, the next one is around 200Hz. Bring them up to around +3dB for the first and +2dB for the second. At this point, your mix will sound kinda boomy and muddy, so bring the highs up. a little less intense, though, so maybe the highest band at +1.5dB and the next-highest at +0.5 or +1.
Adjust the middle band to taste.
Compressing the sound will also help even out your volume (ie if you're listening to rap/hip-hop, you probably want the kick louder than the vocals, but not so much to where the kick will explode your speakers just by turning up the volume to a reasonable level).
a few tips when changing EQ:
1. Usually, I say cut when you can, boost when you have to. In the Evo case, though, cutting isn't going to help a whole lot. Unless your speakers have a skewed response curve. Try and boost as little as possible, one band at a time, to get the sound you want.
2. Get a CD (retail CD) and put it in the car, reset your EQ, and turn the volume up as loud as you, your speakers, and your neighbors can stand it. Adjust the bass (lowest band) on your car's stereo until you get a nice, rich bassy sound. Same thing with the Treble and Mid settings. You may want to set each one independently, ie. set bass, write it down, and then put everything back to 0; set treble, etc. Once your car's at it's best, set your phone to match. Plug your Evo in and tweak the EQ on it to get a good sound out of your car.
3. Bass is nice, but don't overdo it. A lot of people crank the bass up to +6db or higher and then complain that it doesn't sound good. Even at a low volume, an overpowered EQ band will sound terrible. Try to set everything at no higher than +/- 3dB, then adjust up or down if you have to.
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that's all going to depend on your car setup, speakers, in-car EQ, etc. I'll assume you've got the sound in your car how you like it, you just want to tweak the Evo EQ a bit. (what I mean is, the sound in your car from a CD or even radio already sounds good. You just want to make the Evo sound better.)
To get more Bass/Kick drum sound, you'll want to boost the lowest two bands on DSPManager. The lowest (leftmost) band looks like about 60Hz, the next one is around 200Hz. Bring them up to around +3dB for the first and +2dB for the second. At this point, your mix will sound kinda boomy and muddy, so bring the highs up. a little less intense, though, so maybe the highest band at +1.5dB and the next-highest at +0.5 or +1.
Adjust the middle band to taste.
Compressing the sound will also help even out your volume (ie if you're listening to rap/hip-hop, you probably want the kick louder than the vocals, but not so much to where the kick will explode your speakers just by turning up the volume to a reasonable level).
a few tips when changing EQ:
1. Usually, I say cut when you can, boost when you have to. In the Evo case, though, cutting isn't going to help a whole lot. Unless your speakers have a skewed response curve. Try and boost as little as possible, one band at a time, to get the sound you want.
2. Get a CD (retail CD) and put it in the car, reset your EQ, and turn the volume up as loud as you, your speakers, and your neighbors can stand it. Adjust the bass (lowest band) on your car's stereo until you get a nice, rich bassy sound. Same thing with the Treble and Mid settings. You may want to set each one independently, ie. set bass, write it down, and then put everything back to 0; set treble, etc. Once your car's at it's best, set your phone to match. Plug your Evo in and tweak the EQ on it to get a good sound out of your car.
3. Bass is nice, but don't overdo it. A lot of people crank the bass up to +6db or higher and then complain that it doesn't sound good. Even at a low volume, an overpowered EQ band will sound terrible. Try to set everything at no higher than +/- 3dB, then adjust up or down if you have to.
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Oh thank you, I almost gave up on this question lol!
My in car is 90s set up. click the button and change bass from -5 to +5, same with treble, fade and balance. I wish I had an in-car EQ that'd be sick!
I usually listen to rock/metal music and then some pop/electronica every now and again. All music genres sound better when the bass is up a little bit because that thump is what makes you wanna move/head bang.
i'll give it a try and get back to you. Thanks for replying
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My in car is 90s set up. click the button and change bass from -5 to +5, same with treble, fade and balance. I wish I had an in-car EQ that'd be sick!
I usually listen to rock/metal music and then some pop/electronica every now and again. All music genres sound better when the bass is up a little bit because that thump is what makes you wanna move/head bang.
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yeah, I like a little extra Bass with everything too
as far as an in-car EQ, that's all I meant - just something to change the Bass/treble settings. I've got a Honda Civic and it's the same type of thing, I can adjust bass +/- 6, treble +/- 6, I usually keep my bass at +4, treble +2 in the car, then I have +3 or +5 bass and +1 treble on the phone, it sounds pretty good!
PS You might wanna check out PowerAMP from the market. It's a free 15-day trial, then $5 after that for the full version. Best app I've ever bought.
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yeah, I like a little extra Bass with everything too
as far as an in-car EQ, that's all I meant - just something to change the Bass/treble settings. I've got a Honda Civic and it's the same type of thing, I can adjust bass +/- 6, treble +/- 6, I usually keep my bass at +4, treble +2 in the car, then I have +3 or +5 bass and +1 treble on the phone, it sounds pretty good!
PS You might wanna check out PowerAMP from the market. It's a free 15-day trial, then $5 after that for the full version. Best app I've ever bought.
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I do plan on getting it eventually, I've heard nothing but good things with it. I've just seen DSP manager on all my roms and just figured out what it can do. My in car set up is +5 bass +2 treble and it sounded really good with the "rock" setting on my ipod. So hopefully i can replicate the sound on my phone.
i've considered getting a free version of poweramp to give it a try, i hate trials with a passion. get an earlier build and see what all the fuss is about lol. Thanks for all your help!
here's a screenshot of my current EQ settings..it's in PowerAMP, but you can somewhat copy it in DSP
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Hello, I am very much kind of headphone lover guy.
Recently, I bought Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 32Ohm (32Ohm version for portable users).
But the sound is not coming to its best. I plugged the same headphone to iPhone and it's working awesome. iPhone quality is same as it work on macbook and PC.
So, I was worried, is my headphone supportable on my Nexus 5 or I just have to invest in buying mp3 player.
I will provide link, where you all cann see the specifications and tell if that is supported on this device or not, because I am not that much of technical guy.
Headphone Link - http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/dt-770-pro-32-ohm.html
I have rooted my phone and is currently running on ElementX kernel and Chroma ROM.
Hope you guys can help me.
Thank you.
Is it quality that's bad or volume level? Or a bit of both?
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More of a volume. The quality is good.
Try this - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n5rvb.nexus5realvolumebooster
Also i always use poweramp with the preset set on rock. Always find it the best sounding
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Install any kernel management app, like kernel adiutor, and in sound menu raise headphone gain.
So I just did what you said. I already have paid version poweramp and installed volume booster, set it to 19 and 95 for headphone and speaker. Set my present to rock, but I was just little curious, are you also facing a little distortion in the sound or just me? Because I think, I can listen the distortion, maybe because these are kind of Audiophile headphones, so they are giving deep detail of every sound.
As far the volume matters, its 2.00AM, so very much silence environment but I can definitely feel the volume is increased.
How much did I set the headphone gain too?
I already installed the volume booster app, should I also gain on this app too?
Try these!!!!!
These are the "loudest" and best in-ear buds you can get!!!! http://amzn.com/B00WI79EK0 They are Zorloo "Z:ero". Forget about booster apps, eq apps, etc... This thing has a inline "DAC" it plugs into the "USB" port and not the 3.5mm jack. Read up on it!!! I have wasted money on many in the ear, over the ear, everything under the sun to get the best sound and these are my latest find. (Thanks to an article about the Nokia 808 and how people are pimping them out). I cant say enough how LOUD!!!!!!!!!! they are.
YOU WONT BE DISAPPOINTED!!!!
I think they are lurking under the radar because its not a "Brand" name like Shure, Whitestone, or any of the "high" end stuff people are used to paying 100's of dollars for. But the technology using "DAC" has been around and if your looking for something to drive your "over the ear" stuff maybe a usb cable micro to mini adapter and then a USB DAC Stick might work for you... I am sure you can also try to "hack" the "Z:ero" by cutting off the "ear buds" and then going to the local "radio shack" and getting a 3.5mm stereo input jack and soldering the four wires to it and you just made yourself a custom low cost "DAC"...
Just a quick review I google...
http://www.soundguys.com/zero-digital-earphones-review-5997/
Try them!!!
Install viper for android. It helps with the sound processing on the N5 immensely.
I was going to say something about the impedance, but my headphones are a higher impedance than that 35ohm, and I'm pleased with the quality and volume. I know you are not looking for just volume, you are looking for volume and quality. Something I found in the past with some of the Android EQ settings (didn't matter which app) some of the settings like bass boost, would actually lower the volume coming to my headset.
A good set of headphones shouldn't have to have any EQ settings changed at all, leaving it on flat should be the best, and for preference, you can always use flat as a reference.
Every headphones is different from others: if you want a boost in volume/quality, you should try an amplifier like FiiO E6 (http://www.amazon.it/FiiO-E6-Amplif...6?ie=UTF8&qid=1439893840&sr=8-6&keywords=fiio )
32 ohm is a bit high for a smartphone, so there is a possibility that Nexus can't handle that well.
I have a pair of 32 ohm dt770 as well as 32ohm mmx300 Beyerdynamic. They both work fine.
They definitely shine with a good headphone amp, but if you're running without one straight to a phone or laptop, definitely get 32 ohm. It's the lowest they make for mobile type uses.
Hello I am new to the forums.
I am very obsessed with good audio quality, this was the main reason why I got this new phone, but so far I have been very disappointed by its audio capabilities while listening with Bose Sound True earphones.
The first thing I did on my 10 was to download poweramp, configured my equalizer to a standard warm sound signature, then set bass to medium and sparkle to a little pass medium. Basically the same sound equalization I have on my m7. Next, I configured the headphone profile; in this case I end it up with the volume at the the lowest for all frequencies, as I was able to faintly hear all of them from the low to the highs at the lowest volume. Afterwards, I set up the dobly headphone effects to HTC ear buds.
I was very disappointed by the outcome, the low frequencies have a small distortion and the highs sound washed off. I no longer hear all the instruments playing as the lows drown more subtle instruments and the highs have very little clarity to them, they just sound loud and obnoxious. My m7 with Beats on picked up all the subtleties in my music and the lows had this pleasant fullness to them. The 10 is louder but that's about it, it now even hurts my ears when I listen past medium volume. How is this possible? Isn't the DAC on the 10 way better than that of the m7? Could this be faulty hardware? or could it be a software related issue?
Please help me figure out whats going on, I can't believe that my old phone sounds better. I almost feel like asking for a refund at this point. I have also tried using a plain sound player such as google music that has no EQ on it, but I can still pick a slight distortion, the m7 doesn't sound as loud in this case but it just sounds much cleaner.
PS. Just for reference all my tracks are 320kbs and I listen to mostly Metal.
Thanks for your help!
Try lossless flac, you'll probably find the DAC up converting 320mp3's hightlights the defects
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Turn off BoomSound/beats if you're really obsessed with audio. They absolutely destroy the balance to the point of it sounding like I'm listening with a beats headphone.
The 10 drives my cans better than any phone or tablet that I have/had. I listen to EVERYTHING and it handles every genre perfectly.
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Turn off BoomSound/beats if you're really obsessed with audio. They absolutely destroy the balance to the point of it sounding like I'm listening with beats headphone.
The 10 drives my cans better than any phone or tablet that I have/had.
What are you using to listen?
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Eh, I know many say that it is better to leave the EQ alone, but that is hard to do for me because 1) I most have 320 mp3s and very flew Flacs, some are even at 192k and 128k but thats because I have a very old and extensive library. 2) I do love warm sound signatures XD.
By the way, I am listening right now to Talos principle - Sanctuary in flac and at 0:25 when there are all those low frecuencies it just sound a little distorted, I would say it sounds abnormally loud on my 10, and it sounds clear on my m7. Check out The Talos Principle OST - Sanctuary on youtube for reference, I am prevented from posting outside links due to my newb status.
I use Bose true sound earphones, they are just mid-range phones nothing too special, but they do sound better with my old phone. Could it be this earphones can't handle the 10's frequencies?
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By the way, I am listening right now to Talos principle - Sanctuary in flac and at 0:25 when there are all those low frecuencies it just sound a little distorted, I would say it sounds abnormally loud on my 10, and it sounds clear on my m7. Check out The Talos Principle OST - Sanctuary on youtube for reference, I am prevented from posting outside links due to my newb status.
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Just had a listen to Sanctuary on Spotify and it sounds very impressive to me.
I'm using Shure 535 and everything sounds crystal clear to me.
There are two settings when headphones are plugged in under the boomsound setting. One is the Dolby headphone effects setting, the other is the custom profile you set up with your headphones. Try turning off the Dolby headphones effects. My HTC 10 can drive headphones like no other HTC product I have owned in the past, and it sounds better to me with the Dolby effects turned off.
Dunno man.... mine sounds freaking amazing.
using a custom EQ (set up with the frequency thing) and I'm just using a cheap set of Skull Candy headphones I use mostly for gaming
@isnoc I think that did away with the distortion! disabling the dobly effects has a positive impact on sound reproduction, the music doesn't sound as loud. However, the m7s bass sounds a little cleaner. It could be matter of sound signatures at this point. Where I really hear the difference is in the song Machine Gunn Eddie by Nitro. The m7 seems to sound slightly better due to the cleaner bass. I was expecting a night and day difference between these 2 phones =_(
Out of curiosity what mods are you running on the m7? When I had mine (still looking for where I left it...) I had zeroinfinity's and some extra buildprop changes and a kernel that supported the audio changes lol. I don't them side by side to test, but in my car and my porta-pro's from the sound I remember the 10 sounds a lot better to me.
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@isnoc I think that did away with the distortion! disabling the dobly effects has a positive impact on sound reproduction, the music doesn't sound as loud. However, the m7s bass sounds a little cleaner. It could be matter of sound signatures at this point. Where I really hear the difference is in the song Machine Gunn Eddie by Nitro. The m7 seems to sound slightly better due to the cleaner bass. I was expecting a night and day difference between these 2 phones =_(
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You mentioned using beats on your M7. The beats eq exaggerates the bass which is probably what you're hearing. Have you tried turning it off and hearing the difference?
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Ok I just noticed that my phone distorts at higher volumes, namely anything on medium high or above, no matter the bit rate of the song. This is where bass and highs start to suffer. My m7 plays music beautifully with 0 distortion at all levels. Does anyone else here suffer from distortion problems with the 10? Do I have a faulty phone?
@joeyrushlow I never bothered rooting or isntalling a custom rom on my m7, never saw the need for it. All I use for sound is the included beats audio dsp and poweramp and plays everything beautifully with distortion of any kind.
@richii0207 The m7 without beats audio does sound very flat, it is true that the main characteristic of Beats is enhancing the bass, but it also increase the volume across the spectrum in a more subtle way, in any case I get no distortion and everything sounds crystal clear.
I wonder, other than the EQ setup on the 10, and the potential of the quality of the DAC, there might not actually be a significant difference between DACs. Subtle definitely. Discernable for sure. But a significant difference that the 10 has over past phones is the amplifier driving the headphones. Could you be overdriving your headphones on the 10, and not on the M7? There are many things to consider that I do not have the skill to properly discuss like impedance for example. Or it could be a slight difference in your EQ settings.
I can say this, comparing my M9 to my 10. The sound is very very similar to my ears (disappointing I know right?) with two exceptions. One, the 10's sound is more expansive, or I should say there is more separation, so I know that with better recordings the 10 will sound better than my M9. Two, the 10 has more power at volume. I don't want to say louder, but it is louder, but clearer as well, as the volume goes up. It has more juice than my M9 does. I could dig out my M7, but I expect a similar experience. I like my 10. Perhaps you could listen to one in a store, a live demo one, to see if your phone has an issue.
Title says it all. Post your suggestions and experiences with headphones that maximize the audio potential of this phone.
That quad DAC when wired and APTx when on BT.
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Title says it all. Post your suggestions and experiences with headphones that maximize the audio potential of this phone.
That quad DAC when wired and APTx when on BT.
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I'm listening to my Sennheiser HD 598's right now using the quad DAC (high impedence). It is definitely driving them very well, I get my Audioquest Dragonfly black in tomorrow so I can try A&B comparisons with that vs the internal audio. I've also enjoyed using it with my Backbeat Pros but those do not have aptx.
I'm using my Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 250 Ohm headphones, it's amazing. It's a step up from the V10, including the volume department (especially with high impedance headphones).
I'm currently listening music with the AKG K712s. No doubt an improvement from the V10. The best phone yet that truly brings out the detail in
WAV and FLAC formats. I swear this quad DAC reincarnated my cans
Should be getting my V20 some time today, I hope. I don't have anything truly God-tier, but I'm going to try to do a few comparisons if I can. I've got Shure SE215s on one hand (triple-flange tips) and Samsung earbuds for a baseline, compared to whatever LG's included in the box. In a few weeks, I can add the H3s to that list, but not until they arrive, and they won't arrive until I sign up for them on the 28th, so...
In the world of full-size cans, I don't have a solid baseline, and I'm not looking forward to the idea of spending $20 so I can have a pair of cheap cans I will never listen to again. So instead, all I've got are my Koss ProDJ100s and my V-Moda M100s.
But I'll try to give my thoughts when I can. (Also, posting so I make sure I remember that this thread exists.)
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I didn't get to really sit down and do heavy listening. Phone arrived pretty late and my fiancee was a little sad so I didn't want to have my headphones blasting for an hour or two straight without being able to hear a word.
Noticing that there is a little more clarity (at least) between the on-off settings. Might be some EQ going on as well, though, which is not what I want. EQ is an easy way to make something sound more "clear" without actually making it clearer. My last car literally had a setting that I used that I considered the "clear" setting, and for everything other than podcasts. The bass was deeper, and yet more articulated, and the highs had sparkle. Every other setting was muddy.
So EQing to a muddy sound, and then having a "hi-fi" EQ that clears up the mud isn't good. Still, like I said, I don't actually know that to be what's going on. It's just a possibility I'm keeping my ears open for.
Audio technica ATH-M50x Have to say, I can't hear a difference at all toggling on and off using Poweramp/Spotify/USB Audio Player Pro or Car with Bose speakers setup. What can be the reason? I was thinking it would sound better (or as good) as V4A. Not close for me. Maybe my phone's defective?
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Audio technica ATH-M50x Have to say, I can't hear a difference at all toggling on and off using Poweramp/Spotify/USB Audio Player Pro or Car with Bose speakers setup. What can be the reason? I was thinking it would sound better (or as good) as V4A. Not close for me. Maybe my phone's defective?
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Not sure if they fix the issue were the DAC was only able to be used by the stock music player. On the PlayStore there's an app that allows the DAC to work with all music players. I think it's called lgv10fix something like that. You can tell when you turn the DAC when your music skips or mutes for a second.
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Not sure if they fix the issue were the DAC was only able to be used by the stock music player. On the PlayStore there's an app that allows the DAC to work with all music players. I think it's called lgv10fix something like that. You can tell when you turn the DAC when your music skips or mutes for a second.
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Thanks. I found that and installed it but it's the same.
Sony MDR-EX800ST with Tape Mod via External (AUX) Audio Mode with adapter.
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Audio technica ATH-M50x Have to say, I can't hear a difference at all toggling on and off using Poweramp/Spotify/USB Audio Player Pro or Car with Bose speakers setup. What can be the reason? I was thinking it would sound better (or as good) as V4A. Not close for me. Maybe my phone's defective?
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There's probably nothing wrong with it.
Sound is an incredibly subjective topic.
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There's probably nothing wrong with it.
Sound is an incredibly subjective topic.
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So used to V4A nothing comes close.
I prefer PowerAmp Alpha...
Especially with my Sony MDR-100AAP in External Mode.
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I prefer PowerAmp Alpha...
Especially with my Sony MDR-100AAP in External Mode.
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What's external mode, something on your headphones?
All Hi Res iem or headphones will do the job, but it's up to your ears to know what is best, as all headphones/iem all have their own sound stage, for me I use the Sony list in my sig.
I was actually considering getting a pair of the A-T 50x's but those Senn's look nice too. (I'm a big fan of over the ear.)
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What's external mode, something on your headphones?
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By plugging in the detachable headphone cable into the LG V20's headphone jack first before connecting the cable to the headphones, causes the Hi-Fi DAC to go into "An External Audio Device Is Connected" mode which produces a higher output compared to "Normal" mode.
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By plugging in the detachable headphone cable into the LG V20's headphone jack first before connecting the cable to the headphones, causes the Hi-Fi DAC to go into "An External Audio Device Is Connected" mode which produces a higher output compared to "Normal" mode.
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I did not know that and will try it.
So excited to use my Custom Art Harmony 8 Pro, custom headphones with these. The V10 did a good job, I bet the v20 will be better!
For reference, here's the playlist I used to compare. I didn't want to spend all day doing tests, so this is mostly stuff I can listen to while I work, but trying to hit as many different sound signatures as I could. I don't have any classical in my collection, though probably I could have used some. I listened to most of the playlist (skipped around a little getting details) on my laptop for a little while before picking up the phone. Probably going to do some listening with the S4 mini I've got on loan from my wife, too. Would have been nice to compare the Note7, but it's already back in T-Mobile's hot little hands. Played using the
Acoustic Guitar
Leo Kottke (FLAC)
Vaseline Machine Gun
Watermelon
The Fisherman
Earl Klugh (MP3 320)
Alice in Wonderland
Moon River
Autumn Leaves (VBR V0)
Country/Folk
The New Lost City Ramblers (MP3 320)
Talking Hard Luck
Don't Let Your Deal Go Down
Old Fish Song
Charlie Daniels Band (MP3 320)
The Devil Went Down To Georgia
Uneasy Rider
Anais Mitchell (M4A VBR)
Epic, Part I
Hey, Little Songbird
Epic, Part II
Pop
The Killers (MP3 VBR, not V0)
Mr. Brightside
When You Were Young
Sia (FLAC)
Chandelier
Eye Of The Needle
Elastic Heart
Electronic
Super Eurobeat Presents: Initial D Special Stage Non-Stop Mega Mix (FLAC)
Killing My Love
Running In The 90s
Grand Prix
Kavinsky (MP3 320)
Night Call
Night Runner (OGG VBR)
After Hours
Nuclear Countdown
Hip-Hop/Trip-Hop
KA (MP3 320)
Just
Wax Tailor (FLAC)
Exordium
From the Dark
As for my thoughts:
First, I was surprised that as far as I can tell, LG hasn't included any headphones. That seems weird. I'm glad now that I have a million bajillion of the things lying around because if I just bought this off the shelf, it would be a long wait for LG to send me my "only" wired headset option. At least a few weeks. Disappointing, but not a deal-breaker by any means.
Started with the Samsung headset, Hi-Fi DAC off. It's not super comfortable, not at all isolating. I'm still listening to the last couple tracks and I can easily hear myself typing with the volume at around... well, in the Hi-Fi volume it would be 45. I should note that it goes much higher (I believe the highest is 65 or 75) but 45 is where I would typically listen to music. Louder than that started to strain my ears a little. Louder is generally better for detecting little things in a song, but I don't want to suffer, and I certainly don't want to suffer for the time it takes to listen to a 90 minute playlist 4 times at painful volume.
(Incidentally, someone above complained that it wasn't as good as V4A--I haven't listened to V4A in a long time, but my recollection was that it does 2 things: EQ and boost. All their stuff comes down to highly advanced adaptive EQ and a volume boost. Essentially an Instagram filter for your audio. That's all you really can do with a software solution, so I don't blame V4A's team, but what we're looking for with a hi-fi hardware DAC is closer to putting your glasses on if you're near-sighted: increased clarity without changing or coloring the sound any more than necessary, including volume changes. That's what your choice of headphones and your EQ settings are for, not your DAC.)
Moved to the Shures next. The SE215 has a slightly bassy sound, IMO, much better for dance music than e.g. the Koss cans. Not quite basshead cans. I was impressed by performance, and volume. I felt "comfortable" for the first half of the playlist before checking the volume and discovering it wasn't at 45, where I'd wanted it--I had it at 30! Turned it up to 45, and I was at a point where it wasn't quite uncomfortably loud. Which is to say, these things can push power to a pair of headphones no problem.
Equally surprised that the Koss cans didn't have an equivalent bump in volume from what I'm used to (which is maxed out on the Note7, and remember that I'm nowhere near maxed out on the V20). Oh, sure, I could have turned them up, but I didn't. Clarity was as-expected. Much better, I think, than the SE215s.
What I'm looking for here is silence and separation. On the country tunes, in particular, you end up with a mandolin, banjo, and guitar all fighting for 'space' on the recording, so I was listening to make sure I could make out guitar chords from banjo rolls from mandolin... whatever mandolin players do. I'm sure they're very important musicians. The other part I listened to carefully was the intro to Chandelier; There's an etremely isolated snare in the beginning, and it should fade to nothing, not fade to sort-of-nothing. I didn't get that with the Shures as much as I wanted, but I did get it with the Koss headphones.
V-Modas don't do much to change my opinion. The bass is defined, clear, not boomy. I'd say the V20 seems to have a fairly balanced sound signature, which makes sense because that more-or-less matches what I've heard about the B&O sound signature. If the V20 DAC was developed with their input, that would make a lot of sense.
So in the end, I'd agree with kms108:
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All Hi Res iem or headphones will do the job, but it's up to your ears to know what is best, as all headphones/iem all have their own sound stage, for me I use the Sony list in my sig.
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TheJesus said:
I'm using my Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 250 Ohm headphones, it's amazing. It's a step up from the V10, including the volume department (especially with high impedance headphones).
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Can't wait to try my beyer's. Have exact same ones and custom one pros. Cop's are a more fun sounding headphone and a burning can push it. The 770's and cop's can put out mind rattling bass, and by that I mean rattle your chest, with the right content and amp. Can't wait to hear the sound signature of the 9218 with my assorted cabled gear.
OK so I got the phone the other day and YES YES YES once again we have a winner
BUT
Headphones!!! Samsung have for some reason they have placed a VER POOR set of headphones from AKG.
I was excited to put them in when I got home but that excitement didn't last. The sound is tinny with no real deep sound to it. Even 2016 S6 Edge headphones were much better.
WHY o WHY o WHY can't someone in testing/development really sit and listen to audio before approving them?
Michael
i use the cheap as chips betron headphones. the bass blows u away!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Betron-Ear...ie=UTF8&qid=1492878232&sr=1-6&keywords=betron
they put out plenty of bass with an eq. also, dont forget headphones need to burn in for 100-150 hours.
Is this a troll post?
Miles better than any set of headphones Samsung have ever included. Check the EQ settings in the menu.
nosympathy said:
they put out plenty of bass with an eq. also, dont forget headphones need to burn in for 100-150 hours.
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Can you explain what "need to burn for 100-150 hours" ?
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Can you explain what "need to burn for 100-150 hours" ?
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headphones just like any speaker have a break in period. Most people fail to realize this and judge a speaker immediately for sound. Best thing I've found to do if you want to break them in quickly is anytime you are not using the headphones, plug them into an ipod, computer, etc. and play a bunch of music on repeat so it hits highs and lows and leave them playing. Easy to get 12-15 hours a day of constant use if you don't use them much, or if you use them even more. Leave them run all night in another room, etc.
Edit: These headphones remind me a lot of the Shure studio style headphones. They have a very neutral sound that needs an EQ adjustment to bring it to your tastes (referred to as colorless sound.) I might feel different after break in but this is what they remind me of for now.
Most people are used to stuff like beats, Bose, etc. that heavily color the sound in their own way. Sometimes to the point an EQ can't fix it.
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Is this a troll post?
Miles better than any set of headphones Samsung have ever included. Check the EQ settings in the menu.
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Totally agree!!!! How can you complain about a better product you use to getting
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I Think the headphones are great. Not sure start you are listening to but you might need to mess with your eq or get your hearing checked.
Supposedly they are not AKG headphone but Samsung headphones tuned by AKG.
Can't really complain about something we received for free -> especially when that "something" is much better than what we are used to receiving with a new phone.
Headphones, like many things, are user specific - we ALL won't like the same type of headphones since there are so many other criteria that goes into what makes a pleasurable listening experience for the average user -> genre of music, ear type, source quality etc...
If sound is that important to you, invest in a nice pair of headphones -> you won't regret it.
I was immediately impressed. OP, do you know what depth is? That was the first thing I noticed and I'm only a beginner audiophile at best. Actually more depth and range than my BT Beats. Heard sounds in songs I hadn't heard before, maybe even the whinny of a unicorn.
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I was immediately impressed. OP, do you know what depth is? That was the first thing I noticed and I'm only a beginner audiophile at best. Actually more depth and range than my BT Beats. Heard sounds in songs I hadn't heard before, maybe even the whinny of a unicorn.
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audiophile and beats do not belong in the same paragraph or sentence ever...LOL
I like the headphones... sounds good
Not better than my SoundMagic E10's.
I took these on a journey to wembley yesterday...
At first I was amazed. Then after a little tuning and when I got them just right, they sound phenomenal
Sounds great in my S8+ and in my Lenovo laptop...
In fact they are the only ones I use right now.
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I took these on a journey to wembley yesterday...
At first I was amazed. Then after a little tuning and when I got them just right, they sound phenomenal
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What you tune them with
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I found that BUNDLED AKG are better in mids and highs than Momentum IEM but lacking in bass. Tried with exynox 955f.
So when you buy a phone all you really care about are the headphones? So your paying 800+$ for headphones? Why don't you just save yourself some money and BUY some good headphones? Now that said I tried them and you are correct they don't have a ton of bass but I thought the clarity and sound was VERY good. If I want the bass I will through on some Beats. Also after I changed the size of the ear plug things so they were tighter the bass was a little better.
What are yalls audio equalizer settings looking like. Need to figure out how to make music louder and more bass in my car
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What are yalls audio equalizer settings looking like. Need to figure out how to make music louder and more bass in my car
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Put everything up to 11.
Then put bass up more.
Rabbit281 said:
What are yalls audio equalizer settings looking like. Need to figure out how to make music louder and more bass in my car
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Get better gear for your audio system. Making adjustments on your phone will only lead to disappointment. The built-in EQ is trash. Boosting or cutting any given band results in the other bands being cut or boosted. For example, if you boost the lowest bass frequency band, you'll find that all of the higher frequencies are attenuated or muted to a certain degree.
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Get better gear for your audio system. Making adjustments on your phone will only lead to disappointment. The built-in EQ is trash. Boosting or cutting any given band results in the other bands being cut or boosted. For example, if you boost the lowest bass frequency band, you'll find that all of the higher frequencies are attenuated or muted to a certain degree.
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Yes! Totally agree. After going round and round, trying to find tweaks I came to the same conclusion.
Using the adaptive sound is sooo bad. Any setting introduces background hiss as the software "improves" higher frequencies.