Just want to ask a ? if anyone can help.I am reading alot about clockwork and ra recover.if you change from clock and use ra will your old backup still work with ra?
If you have Ra and all of you back ups were made with Ra; they will work.
@evolishesh, that's not what the OP is asking....
I suspect the backups will work since the format is likely the same, just the front end/UI is different between the recoveries.
gpz1100 said:
@evolishesh, that's not what the OP is asking....
I suspect the backups will work since the format is likely the same, just the front end/UI is different between the recoveries.
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I have to disagree...
Ra recovery can only restore a backup made with Ra recovery.
Clockwork can only restore a backup made with Clockwork.
If you change from one to the other, make a backup with the new recovery, right away.
Don't they both use .img files for the partition images though?
They do. If you look inside the recovery files, they LOOK identical.
I am not the guy to tell you WHY they don't use each others files -- I don't know the nuts and bolts of it. But I can tell you that they don't...
Lol... I don't have the time to test this today, but if you (or someone else) has a chance; create a backup with both, then do a binary compare of the resulting .img files. This will tell us for sure if the images are the same or not.
Note, it is very important not to boot into the phone when creating either backup set. Instead, fastboot should be used to flash the other recovery, then boot directly into and perform another backup. Otherwise, data will change between the backup sets, making this test useless.
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Hi all .. i did a nandroid backup, 3 times, whenever i would restore it, it would show me 3 options, and then i changed to RA recovery from clockwork. now i see only one backup file the one i did before changing that. and then i changed back to clockwork and i still dont see anything..
i did search, and what i found was that how to unlock nandroid, so im sorry if i missed it in search.
any help?
chubaan said:
Hi all .. i did a nandroid backup, 3 times, whenever i would restore it, it would show me 3 options, and then i changed to RA recovery from clockwork. now i see only one backup file the one i did before changing that. and then i changed back to clockwork and i still dont see anything..
i did search, and what i found was that how to unlock nandroid, so im sorry if i missed it in search.
any help?
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backup with RA restore with RA, backup with clockwork, restore with clockwork. They're not interchangable, and may not recognize each others backups.
Correct, but I should still be able to see the files in my memory card right? Because in nandroid folder I just see only one file..
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What are you looking for the folders with? You may not be able to see the ra backups with clockwork, but if you use astro (or something similar) and look in the nandroid folder on the sdcard you should see a folder. Inside that folder are other folders with dates and times as the folder names. Each of those subfolders are ra backups.
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Correct, but I should still be able to see the files in my memory card right? Because in nandroid folder I just see only one file..
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Clockwork stores Nandroid backups in /sdcard/clockworkmod
Amon_RA stores Nandroid backups in /sdcard/nandroid
You can not restore a clockwork backup with Amon_RA. Or the other way.
Amon_RA wont recognize clockworks Nandroids.
Hopefully that answers your question.
Thank you very much everybody.. I was actually looking for clockwork backups in sdcard/nandroids thats why I couldn't see it.. Now I do see backups in clockwork folder.. My question is answered.. Thanks again everybody..
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related question here:
are nandroid backups interchangable between devices(same model dif device: like two evos)?
example: can i AmonRa nandroid an Evo and then restore the other evo with that same nandroid? pretty much like trying to clone a device.
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related question here:
are nandroid backups interchangable between devices(same model dif device: like two evos)?
example: can i AmonRa nandroid an Evo and then restore the other evo with that same nandroid? pretty much like trying to clone a device.
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im not 100% sure but i think it should work, you can nand back the other device, then backup your memory card on your computer and transfer the backup file from your evo and give it a try, if it doesnt work for some reason then just copy files back from your computer,,
I was hoping some of you could decisively wrap up these issues for an Android newb...
ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
That's it for now. I appreciate all the help.
I never received any feedback on this post and I think it was because the title was very generic. Any help you can give would be appreciated.
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ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
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1. CWM is a custom recovery. It allows you to flash new roms and kernels and make backups of your current setup.
2. Ra is also a custom recovery. I prefer it over CWM. In the old days, if I remember correctly, RA backed up your wimax keys while CWM didn't. Also it was rumored that CWM didn't wipe correctly. Now I think they're pretty much the same. I just like the yellow words over the horrible green that CWM uses.
3. It may have been reverted because of the differences between the partitions on different evos.
4. CWM makes nandroid backups too. They both backup everything. A nandroid backup will back up everything on your phone. It is highly recommended to make a nandroid before you flash anything onto your phone. If it breaks something or bootloops your phone then you can restore that backup and go back to how you were.
5. The nand backs up the phone, the nand+ext backs up the phone and the ext partition on your sd card where your apps are installed.
6. The ext partition is on your sdcard. (IMO) No need for apps2sd unless you have a crazy amount of apps on your phone or you have a bunch of huge games.
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I was hoping some of you could decisively wrap up these issues for an Android newb...
ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
That's it for now. I appreciate all the help.
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Clockwork is a recovery. It does many different things ex. Flashing, Wiping, Partitioning etc.
RA use to be the only one to back up wimax now clockwork has this feature and with RA you was not able to navigate through folders like clockwork but now you can with the new update.
I'm not sure about the 3rd question.
A nandroid is backing up your entire phone so that you can restore if you run into any problems it backs up everything except your splashscreen or ext partition unless you choose to back that up. RA & Clockwork can perform a nandroid Clockwork didn't have the ability to backup wimax keys(4g).
Nand is everything except your partition you use the ext if you use darktremor a2sd it backs up everything and your partition.
Only repartition if you want to install apps to sd, cache, or dalvik to your sd card saves internal space on the phone.
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1. CWM is a custom recovery. It allows you to flash new roms and kernels and make backups of your current setup.
2. Ra is also a custom recovery. I prefer it over CWM. In the old days, if I remember correctly, RA backed up your wimax keys while CWM didn't. Also it was rumored that CWM didn't wipe correctly. Now I think they're pretty much the same. I just like the yellow words over the horrible green that CWM uses.
3. It may have been reverted because of the differences between the partitions on different evos.
4. CWM makes nandroid backups too. They both backup everything. A nandroid backup will back up everything on your phone. It is highly recommended to make a nandroid before you flash anything onto your phone. If it breaks something or bootloops your phone then you can restore that backup and go back to how you were.
5. The nand backs up the phone, the nand+ext backs up the phone and the ext partition on your sd card where your apps are installed.
6. The ext partition is on your sdcard. (IMO) No need for apps2sd unless you have a crazy amount of apps on your phone or you have a bunch of huge games.
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Buff nailed it great, I'll explain #3.
Clockworkmod team jumped the gun with their 3.0 recoveries betting that all the developers had switched to the newer edify scripts which appeared with Froyo and are required to script a Gigngerbread rom. The older scripting used ammend which is what 90% of the developers are still using. This made the 3.0 based recovery incompatible with 90% of the roms out there so Cloockwork team had to come up with a backward compatible release and numbered it 2.6.01. This is the version you need unless you are going to install the CM7 roms. 2.6.0.1 is compatible with all hboots, all partitions, and backs up and wipes everything Aman RA does so they are pretty much equal. The difference is if you flash the clockworkmod recovery all the features of rom manager will still work, if you flash aman ra, rom manager is useless.
So then at this stage is one better than the other?
I'm still new to "daily" ROM flashing and liked the ROM Manager but heard that RA was better (have that now)
I'd like the ease of switching between ROMs to figure out likes/dislikes.
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So then at this stage is one better than the other?
I'm still new to "daily" ROM flashing and liked the ROM Manager but heard that RA was better (have that now)
I'd like the ease of switching between ROMs to figure out likes/dislikes.
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About the same now. I actually prefer coming here and reading threads and manually downloading and flashing my roms over rom manager. I like to see screenies and see changelogs and read feedback.
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Ok so I've been using clockwork since I rooted but now I want to switch to Amon Ra cause I hear its better. The recovery works because I can back up and flash stuff, but for some reason I can't restore, it always says something went wrong, check the recovery log. Is it because I rename the backups?
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Ok so I've been using clockwork since I rooted but now I want to switch to Amon Ra cause I hear its better. The recovery works because I can back up and flash stuff, but for some reason I can't restore, it always says something went wrong, check the recovery log. Is it because I rename the backups?
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It could be. If you rename a backup, it cannot have any spaces in the name, or any odd characters. I suggest renaming it to something simple, with no punctuation, and no spaces. Try that, and see if it'll restore.
didnt work :/
you arent trying to recover CWM backups with RA are you?
No, these are backups done through Amon Ra
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No, these are backups done through Amon Ra
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What options did you select when creating the backup? You may want to try re flashing your recovery, and see if it works after that. Sometimes reflashing the recovery can clear up a bunch of odd recovery related issues.
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What options did you select when creating the backup? You may want to try re flashing your recovery, and see if it works after that. Sometimes reflashing the recovery can clear up a bunch of odd recovery related issues.
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For one of them I backed up all of it (clicked every check) and for another I only backed up the original 3 it selects for you; neither of them worked... Ok I'll try that
When you make a backup using amon RA, the name of the nandroid appears as such: BDAS-20110509-0440. The prefix tells you what was backed up. For instance, the BDAS in the above example tells me that I made a backup of the boot, data, android.secure and system. Because I flash a lot of roms, I rename my backups in this manner: BDAS-SALVAGEMOD-0440. If you don't add any special characters, your backup should restore if you've renamed it. If your renamed backup is similar to mine and it still fails to restore then I recommend that you re-flash amon RA as suggested by my good friend k2buckley. Specifically, v2.3. You can download it from the link below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026
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Alright thanks a lot guys it worked when I re-flashed the recovery through bootloader. For some reason, ROM manager isn't flashing recoveries for me anymore.
guih said:
Alright thanks a lot guys it worked when I re-flashed the recovery through bootloader. For some reason, ROM manager isn't flashing recoveries for me anymore.
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Some users have had issues with rom manager "not flashing correct," but I've never had a problem with it. Glad its working though.
Through help on another thread, I was able to locate a wimax.img from a prior nandroid backup made with amon's recovery. I was also able to open terminal and flash it back to the system making the Wimax keychecker say my keys were now ok. Question is this. Why would directly flashing the wimax.img recover the key but when I tried nandroid restoring the whole folder, the keys still wouldn't be present even though the wimax.img was in the folder?
Also, someone please check your nandroid folders and let me know how large the wimax.img is. The one I got to flash successfully is just over 2,000kb. I also found an old clockwork recovery on my sd card with a backup that has a wimax image file of nearly 12,000kb! Restoring that backup still showed my keys missing with keychecker though. When I tried to directly flash the 12,000kb wimax file, i received a bad block error.
My problem is that even though my mac address checks out and keys are present, I still cannot connect to Sprint 4g, it scans and finds the service, but connects and disconnects repeatedly without ever making a good connection. Is there a way my keys show up but aren't correct? Does the radio version at the time of backup make a difference when you are trying to recover?
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Through help on another thread, I was able to locate a wimax.img from a prior nandroid backup made with amon's recovery. I was also able to open terminal and flash it back to the system making the Wimax keychecker say my keys were now ok. Question is this. Why would directly flashing the wimax.img recover the key but when I tried nandroid restoring the whole folder, the keys still wouldn't be present even though the wimax.img was in the folder?
Also, someone please check your nandroid folders and let me know how large the wimax.img is. The one I got to flash successfully is just over 2,000kb. I also found an old clockwork recovery on my sd card with a backup that has a wimax image file of nearly 12,000kb! Restoring that backup still showed my keys missing with keychecker though. When I tried to directly flash the 12,000kb wimax file, i received a bad block error.
My problem is that even though my mac address checks out and keys are present, I still cannot connect to Sprint 4g, it scans and finds the service, but connects and disconnects repeatedly without ever making a good connection. Is there a way my keys show up but aren't correct? Does the radio version at the time of backup make a difference when you are trying to recover?
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I am not 100pct sure about this but I thought only Amon had the proper ability to backup wimax keys and restore without a problem. I could be wrong since I was not a fan of Clockwork just for that reason. My Wimax backup is 12 megs
wimax for me are always 12000 if you are trying to restore with clockwork you need to select advanced restore so that it restores your wimax too,because clockwork backs up your wimax by default but doesnt restore on a normal restore just on advanced
Well, I think what the real question is though is just because keychecker says my rsa key is present, doesn't necessarily mean the whole thing is present? I appears my backup with the 2,000kb wimax.img may not complete? I will look for advanced restore in clockwork to see if that restores the image.
At some point I wiped my sd card (copied all files first to pc) and reformated it for ext 1 and ext 2. My guess is this occurred somewhere between having wimax keys and temporarily losing them. Would this have screwed something up with my wimax partition where the wimax was originally stored?
thats a good question, because i have 2 sd cards one partitioned and one that's not, and i have never tried restoring a partition back up on the non partition card and the other way around.
What are your thoughts on the actually size of the wimax.img and the fact that keychecker says the key is present??
why dont you try getting a stock rom like sprint lover and doing a full wipe with something like caulkins wipe all and flashing the rom to see if its your rom not playing well with your wimax. also where did you get your wimax backup from?
edit: better yet why dont you flash clockwork and do an advance restore from the one that has the 12000, then if your 4g gets fixed, go back to amon and reflash to what ever you have now, i would suggets that if 4g gets fixed you dont restore, instead redo everything from scratch and then back up
What are your thoughts on the actually size of the wimax.img and the fact that keychecker says the key is present??
I got the 2,000kb wimax.img from one of my nandroid backup folders. Just this morning, I flashed the pc36100 sprint lovers rom and it said the keys were missing. Plus, the 4g wouldn't even turn on, it just stayed at turning on before finally saying unable to start 4g. The 4g doesn't work on any roms I have tried (currently on Fresh 3.5) I have tried Myns, Kings, CM7, and a couple others, to no avail.
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why dont you try getting a stock rom like sprint lover and doing a full wipe with something like caulkins wipe all and flashing the rom to see if its your rom not playing well with your wimax. also where did you get your wimax backup from?
edit: better yet why dont you flash clockwork and do an advance restore from the one that has the 12000, then if your 4g gets fixed, go back to amon and reflash to what ever you have now, i would suggets that if 4g gets fixed you dont restore, instead redo everything from scratch and then back up
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Good info. Will it work if I just do an advanced restore of the wimax? Or do I need to advance restore the system and everything for it to work. I am currently on my favorite fresh 3.5 setup and just switched to Clockwork and was hoping I could just do the advanced wimax restore. Or will that backup no play nicely on it's own?
try alone first if it doenst work try the full backup
Here is the interesting part. I did the clockwork advanced restore and verified the wimax key was present on my current Fresh setup. I also refreshed the old Clockwork backup that contained the wimax originally and got the system up and running (It was Sprint lovers I believe) and verified the wimax key was present. I checked both of the backup folders and the wimax.img created in clockwork in both cases was about 12,000kb. I then switched recoveries back to amon and did a full backup (selected all options) of both the Fresh system and Sprint lovers. When I open up those nandroid files, the wimax.img is only about 2,000kb? So, either I am not backing up what I think I am, or these two recoveries back up wimax much differently resulting in various output file sizes. Can someone explain this?
Also if am running one of these with verified wimax key, then nandroid restore to another file that doesn't have the wimax.img backed up, will I still have the key in place left over from what I was running? I understand how all of this works relatively well, but this wimax stuff sure has been throwing me for a loop! Thanks again for all the help!
My 4G works, and my Amon Ra wimax.img is 12 mb (12000 kb). Perhaps you should try a fresh download and install Amon Ra again, then try only backing up wimax. I only used Clockwork to make a backup once, right after I rooted, and don't have it handy to check the size of that one if it even has a wimax.img. I originally backed up my wimax keys via terminal, it was about 4000kb if I remember correctly.
If you restore a backup made with AR that doesn't include wimax, your working 4G should remain intact.
But your situation is odd... so I can't guarantee that to be the case.
(from... Evo/MIUI/Tapatalk)
yeah you can restore,just make sue you dont select wimax, and yeah it sounds like your amon ra is bad, its should always be 12000. but good to hear you are up and running, remember always and remember to restore with the recovery you used to back up, and i would keep a copy of the working wimax backup on my pc for safe keeping
What I don't understand is why my wimax key checker says the keys are intact even after flashing the 2000 kilobytes wimax.img
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Also, how can I safely flash a new recovery without losing anything? I have not done that in particular yet, with the exception of my original root process, but that included every step
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Also, how can I safely flash a new recovery without losing anything? I have not done that in particular yet, with the exception of my original root process, but that included every step
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You can download a PC36IMG of Amon Ra from my dropbox, here: http://db.tt/WP0beNa
Don't rename it - it's named PC36IMG.zip exactly (even if you can't see the .zip), which is what it needs to be named. Put it on the root of your SD card, then boot into the bootloader. It'll scan for the file then ask you to update. Agree with the volume up button, then when it finishes flashing, don't reboot when it asks you. Instead go into recovery and make a nandroid backup of only wimax. If you want, you can go ahead and backup the default options as well, but do them in a separate backup.
Reboot back into the rom and make sure that 4G is working properly, then check the size of the wimax.img file.
If it's still too small, then that's totally weird. Hope you get it figured out, though.
OK, I flashed the recovery and made a nandroid backup of the wimax. I then used file explorer to check the size and it still says 2.38 MB. Just to make sure, I then changed to clockwork and recovered a wimax image that was 11.88 MB and rebooted. I then changed recoveries back to amon again to make a nandroid backup of my recovered clockwork image. Again, the nandroid output image file was 2.3 MB!?!
Is there some other way to check the wimax size/files without doing a backup? I am so confused right now.
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what version of amon ra are you using i suggest 2.3, and also as long as you have a working backup even if it is from clockworkmod your safe, you can always go back and forth between recoveries if you need to, and if you need to restore a nadroid, just uncheck wimax, that way you dont touch the one you have that is working
If I recover one wimax.img over another, wont the original get overwritten? If there were any errors in flashing either of the images, wouldn't it tell me?
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First issue is that for some reason, my wimax.img created when making a nandroid backup with ra 2.3 is only like 2,000 kb or a little larger. I understand from a previous post that wimax images are usually around the 12,000kb mark. When I backup using Clockwork, the resulting wimax.img is just over 12,000kb leading me to believe it is a good backup. This all came to issue a month or so ago when I thought my keys were gone. I ended up finding a few old backups on my pc, one nandroid and one clockwork, both of which contained the wimax image. However, when I nandroid restore the nandroid image, key checker said my keys were present but I wasn't able to connect to 4g. I then restored the clockwork backup and was able to connect to 4g right away. After further discovery in the backup folders, I found the nandroid wimax image to be just over 2,000kb while the clockwork image was over 12,000. I have tried to reflash ra recovery but it still only creates a 2,000kb wimax image. What is wrong????
The second part of the problem is that when I try to switch to clockwork from Rom Manager, it won't do it. It is stuck in RA!! Therefore, I cannot get into clockwork to restore any of the images I backed up that way. I had this issue in the past only I was stuck in Clockwork and couldn't get into RA. At that time, someone sent me a PC36100.zip (of RA recovery flash) which I put onto the root of my sd and flashed in bootloader, which allowed me to access RA recovery again. Why does it get stuck?? And, does someone have clockwork in a pc36100.zip format I can boot from?
Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it!
ok heres the pc36img for clockwordmod that you flash from hboot/fastboot http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=575257&d=1303478367
and for first issue try falshing an older recovery of amon ra then the newest amon ra 2.3
Great Jadden, thanks for the help. Do you by any chance have a zip of an older version of RA as well? What adverse effects will there be by downgrading? Can I recover a backup made in 2.3 with say 1.8? Are they 100% compatible?
By the way, is there any way to tell how big the wimax image is that the phone is currently operating on without making a backup of it? Some type of terminal prompts or something?
Sorry I don't have an older version of Amon-Ra and I don't know of any terminal promts either