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[Resolved] Boot Loop Issue -- please help if you can!

I'll give my question first, then the history. I tried to search the EVO 4G subforums and couldn't seem to find it. If there's a post on this please kindly point me in the right direction.
Regardless of which ROM I install on my EVO except for what I understand is the engineering ROM or possibly the stock ROM, I go into a boot loop.
History:
- Did not install any updates or use unrevoked after receiving my EVO
- Did the root method known as "part 1" before NAND unlocking was available, never did any system updates. It seemed I had root because I was able to use the sudo "allow" or "deny" and use Wifi Tether in AP mode successfully (the open source APK)
- Was having some random reboot issues so I decided I needed to finally get an updated, custom ROM on my phone
- Yesterday spent many hours trying to get SimpleRoot to root my phone. However, ROM Manager keeps complaining it can't do privileged commands
- I was able to get Clockwork Recovery onto my phone finally using Unrevoked 3 just to get it on there (with what I know as the engineering ROM)
- Used clockwork to try and install Fresh 1.0.1, DamageControl v3.1.2 or seemingly anything other than that same engineering ROM (that has the HTC logo and sound) puts it into a boot loop. Also Clockwork (the APK) complains it still can't run privileged commands on that ROM from SimpleRoot.
I've been flashing a Kaiser/Tilt since forever but still pretty newb on Android but trying to learn fast. Love my EVO!
If there is any more information I can provide to help someone help me please let me know and hopefully this can help others not go astray as I have...
EDIT: Oh, yes and I read some of the troubleshooting information for different ROMs and one said to reformat sd-ext but my SD card is just formatted how it comes from the factory. I would really like to keep it that way unless it is a must for installing custom ROMs on the EVO. Clockwork did not seem to be able to do the partitioning for me.
EDIT: Now resolved after following thoroughly the directions listed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721055
Thanks for helping me out!

aikeru said:
I'll give my question first, then the history. I tried to search the EVO 4G subforums and couldn't seem to find it. If there's a post on this please kindly point me in the right direction.
Regardless of which ROM I install on my EVO except for what I understand is the engineering ROM or possibly the stock ROM, I go into a boot loop.
History:
- Did not install any updates or use unrevoked after receiving my EVO
- Did the root method known as "part 1" before NAND unlocking was available, never did any system updates. It seemed I had root because I was able to use the sudo "allow" or "deny" and use Wifi Tether in AP mode successfully (the open source APK)
- Was having some random reboot issues so I decided I needed to finally get an updated, custom ROM on my phone
- Yesterday spent many hours trying to get SimpleRoot to root my phone. However, ROM Manager keeps complaining it can't do privileged commands
- I was able to get Clockwork Recovery onto my phone finally using Unrevoked 3 just to get it on there (with what I know as the engineering ROM)
- Used clockwork to try and install Fresh 1.0.1, DamageControl v3.1.2 or seemingly anything other than that same engineering ROM (that has the HTC logo and sound) puts it into a boot loop. Also Clockwork (the APK) complains it still can't run privileged commands on that ROM from SimpleRoot.
I've been flashing a Kaiser/Tilt since forever but still pretty newb on Android but trying to learn fast. Love my EVO!
If there is any more information I can provide to help someone help me please let me know and hopefully this can help others not go astray as I have...
EDIT: Oh, yes and I read some of the troubleshooting information for different ROMs and one said to reformat sd-ext but my SD card is just formatted how it comes from the factory. I would really like to keep it that way unless it is a must for installing custom ROMs on the EVO. Clockwork did not seem to be able to do the partitioning for me.
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i had a similar issue, and so did a few people. i wrote out a post some time ago, i don't know if you read it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7204861&postcount=4
try that out. let me know how it goes.
EDIT: it also sounds like you don't have nand unlocked.

Thank you for your quick reply! I will try it and report back what I did, what works/didn't.
As a side note...
Since I have Clockwork on the recovery (I can boot to recovery all day long just using volume up and clockwork is there) doesn't that mean NAND is unlocked? Anyway, thank you again.

aikeru said:
Thank you for your quick reply! I will try it and report back what I did, what works/didn't.
As a side note...
Since I have Clockwork on the recovery (I can boot to recovery all day long just using volume up and clockwork is there) doesn't that mean NAND is unlocked? Anyway, thank you again.
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having a boot recovery program doesn't necessarily mean you have nand unlocked. the ability to flash custom roms does though. good luck! i know it's frustrating, but keep at it.

silly question but are you wiping correctly ?
I had to ask...

elegantai said:
silly question but are you wiping correctly ?
I had to ask...
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i almost spilled my drink LOL

elegantai said:
silly question but are you wiping correctly ?
I had to ask...
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lol XD nice ... any comeback I can think of just goes way too far
Well, I've downloaded the files so sometime this evening/tonight I should have results. That post links to what appears to be a very, very thorough set of instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721055
So I'll go through the whole thing there and of course report back

aikeru said:
lol XD nice ... any comeback I can think of just goes way too far
Well, I've downloaded the files so sometime this evening/tonight I should have results. That post links to what appears to be a very, very thorough set of instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721055
So I'll go through the whole thing there and of course report back
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lol good luck buddy. it's a relatively easy walkthrough if you follow it closely. post up any questions you have.

[Q] very new to htc and smartphones and i don't know anything, i need HELP

hi everybody you guys are geniuses!
i m new to this whole spartphone thing! i just bought my htc evo and i m trying to root it but i don t even know the basics! what is a flash and how do i flash? what is sd configuration and how do i do that! how do i do backup ;nandroid backup?what is a kernel and how to put it into my rom!! basicly i need all the info from the begining until i run a custom rom! i really need help on this one! thank you!

Google is your friend

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Google is your friend
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+1
There are plenty of people around here that like to help, but asking to have the entire android guide spelled out for ya is a bit much. Go search and read up on what you can understand, then read a little further. When it starts to get confusing again, come back and ask a specific question or two. You will get a lot more help that way.

That s why I m asking! I did look it up, and it s confusing
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utzu said:
That s why I m asking! I did look it up, and it s confusing
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You gotta look up the tutorials. Flashing means moving something to your SD card and installing it.

unrevoked is kinda advanced since ur brand new..search on youtube for how to root evo 4g
swyped htc supersonic

stay stock

Google the basics . Most people don't have time to explain everything to you. There is a lot to learn, and I would advise you to not mod your phone unless its something you like to do. Your home work too google.
What is : nand recovery, back up, restore
What is: flashing
What is: recovery
What is: sd card, what is stored on it
What is a : rom
What is a :kernel
How do I flash them?
Learn what a ".apk" file is
What two recoveries do you have to choose from?
What is root? And its history (where it came from)
What is "su command"
What is "s" off and "s" on
Like I said, if you don't like too do this stuff and aren't a geek like the rest of us then I wouldn't bother, it takes a lot of reading and learning, one thing we all have in common is we are all still learning.
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!

Honestly, I would love to help, but you are asking too much. It takes weeks, months, even years to get fully acquainted with android and hacking it, especially if this is your first smartphone. If I were you, I would enjoy being stock for now. Once you figure out how to use either terminal or command prompt (Mac or pc, in that order) then maybe start making gradual changes. If you need ANY actual help, pm me as you would not be the first noob i helped. I consider it my duty (ha). Take developments from the experts, give info to the noobs. Really, get familiar with everything, look up some stuff, watch some videos, and if you still need any help, shoot me or another one of the experienced and helpful devs at the xda a pm (private message. Click their name and it will give you the option.) and you will be helped, I garuntee it.

utzu said:
hi everybody you guys are geniuses!
i m new to this whole spartphone thing! i just bought my htc evo and i m trying to root it but i don t even know the basics! what is a flash and how do i flash? what is sd configuration and how do i do that! how do i do backup ;nandroid backup?what is a kernel and how to put it into my rom!! basicly i need all the info from the begining until i run a custom rom! i really need help on this one! thank you!
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Hahahaha really! I mean c'mon did you even read any of the sticky's (threads at the very top of the forums)? Youll be amazed that all or most of your answers are there..
Heres a link to get you started read the page and click the links and read some more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic&useskin=vector
Not picking on ya but you need to understand the basics on yor own because its likely your phone will get messed up if you dont, and you are the only one to blame if it does. Thays why its important to fully understand what you are doing, remember flashing anything to your phone WILL void the warrantee if you screw up so be carefull.

Read for a month!
Read up on everything for a month, then start your EVO hacking experience!
Here are a few that are great starting points:
Common Misconceptions and Info
HTC EVO WIKI
How To Use These Forums
How To Search XDA
Helpful/Popular Threads
REMEMBER! - Any question you are thinking to ask, has most likely been asked and answered before on these forums SO SEARCH!
Good luck, and welcome!

I would start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706411
once you get that done the custom recovery is installed things will be much easier
I used that root method one my replacement evo and it worked just fine.

BrianDigital said:
I would start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706411
once you get that done the custom recovery is installed things will be much easier
I used that root method one my replacement evo and it worked just fine.
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This is if the OP does NOT have Android v2.2.
OP - If you go this route you will need to downgrade in Regaw's 2.2 ROOT METHOD, but stop before using unRevoked.

I am in an overly good mood today so i will help out with some basic information
What is : nand recovery, back up, restore - A nand back up is basically a way to back up your phone its rom and settings. a nand restore uses the a nand back up you made to put your phone back to where is was when you made the nand back up (think about a restore point on a windows computer very similar concept).
What is: flashing - Flashing is the process used to install system files. this is usually done through a recovery which i will get into below. the reason it is called flashing and not installing is because it needs to be done through recovery and is a slightly different process but in more basic terms it is basically installing your rom or radio or other system critical pieces onto the phones internal memory.
What is: recovery - a recovery is basically a program that lets you access some advanced system features, these include nand back up and restore, wiping cache, data, and dalvik, and the ability to flash (install) certain files to your phone. to get into a recovery with your phone off hold volume down and the power button you will load to a white screen with several options (this is the hboot or bootloader) select recovery.
What is: sd card, what is stored on it - Out of the gate your sd card is set up as it should be. their are a few reason you might change this however with 2.2 it has become less of a need and i recommend just leaving it be. The main reason people configure there sdcards is to allow a script called apps2sd to work. what this does is it allows you to store all your apps on the sd card they are normally stored on the phones internal memory. Froyo or 2.2 (the android os version on your phone) has the ability to allow apps to move to your sd card through the settings. now this doesn't work for all apps as it has to be turned on by the app creator but many it will. Because of this i would leave your sdcard alone while you learn the ropes.
What is a : rom - a rom is basically the operating system of your phone. what a rom does is replace the default os with a custom one that has been tweaked or built by a developer. this is the piece of the phone you interact with.
What is a :kernel a kernel is basically the software that translates what you do in the rom to the hardware. think of it as the phones steering wheel. you let the phone to do this and the kernel interprets it so the hardware knows what to do,
How do I flash them? To flash files is relatively easy you place them on the root of your sd card (basically drag and rop onto the sd card but not in any folder). then you boot into the recovery. in the recovery you shoudl be able to find the options to wipe cache, wipe data/factory and wipe dalvik. you select each of these and then yuo select flash .zip from sd. next you scroll to the file you want to flash (the rom or kernel etc you want) and select it (normally power button) you should then flash the rom. once it is flashed select back until you see reboot phone and then reboot it and you should boot up with your new rom.
What is "s" off and "s" on - s on and s off is basically the way you can tell you are rooted in the bootloader (or hboot i talked about above) at the very top you should see one of these options. what these mean is whether your phone requires a signed file (s on) or whether it can flash unsigned files (s off). for now just consider a signed file as an official file with an unsigned file being unofficial or modded.
Now hopefully this explains a bit of the basics better and gives you enough information to better understand what is going on. My recommendation is to take the steps to root flash etc 1 at a time it is easy to read through all the instructions and go wow this is confusing. it really isnt as bad as it seems and as long as you follow each step you should be fine. just do exactly what each step tells you to do and dont worry about the next steps till you are there. you still have a lot to learn and the best way you can learn it is by searching the forums think of it as your library.
many people are glad to help however as you can see from some of the posts it is expected that you at least try to learn and research things for yourself. if you get stuck on something ask and you will normally get an answer just try remember if you cant take the time to search and research things you shouldn't expect others to take the time to help. i'm not saying you did i ma jsut giving advice for the future.
anyway best of luck and hopefully this will get you in the right direction.
NOTE: i have "dumbed" down some of the explanations to give the jiest of the idea with out getting to technical so for those that are more technical it is on purposse.

[Q] App backup before flashing new ROM

Hi,
Yes I know this sounds like a common question asked 1000x but I can't seem to find the right answer. Though I admit I only searched the first 5 pages, but I suppose it only takes 60 secs to answer this question so please pardon the inconvenience....?
Anyway I'm about to flash LeeDroid on my DHD, first time flasher here (though I modded my MotoV3x few years back so I have *some* experience). My only concern are apps and data. I read that Titanium Backup is recommended, though I saw some others mentioned. My question, is the below correct?
1. Root with Visionary
2. Backup with Titanium
3. Flash compatible Radio
4. S-off
5. Clean install new ROM with wipe
6. Restore apps/data with Titanium
Or can I just do the easier thing and NOT do a wipe? Many thanks!

Ah well I suppose I'll just give it a go and hope not to brick my phone

By the way, you have to have S-OFF before flashing radio.

ah okay thanks, will swap the steps then.
just permarooted with visionary, hope everything goes well!

Done, rooted and flashed successfully! Thanks

Back up EVERYTHING before rooting?

Alright, as some of you know, I really, really, REALLY, messed up on my last root attempt.
Apparently I didn't backup what I was supposed to. That was my own stupid a55 mistake and I have admitted to it.
I DO plan to attempt a root again so that I can get this theme on my phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042268
There are things that I need to know before I attempt this (and yes I know there are forums already on this but I need to be 110% sure)
1) How do I back up EVERYTHING on my phone and put it on my computer or SD card or somewhere that I can go to incase I mess up again?
2) What is the EASIEST program/method to root this Samsung Epic 4g?
3) (I'm not too sure what I'm talking about here ((remember, I'm a total noob)))
I tried CWM 3.0.0.5 before... is this a ROM that I attempted to go to?
3ii) If I should'nt be using CWM, what should I use?
4) Is Froyo and CWM the same time of thing? or two different things completely?
and finally:
5) Give me all of your recommendations on this please! I DON'T WANNA MESS UP AGAIN!
And please none of this "You messed up before, dont try it again!" crap, I know I messed up, and I know this is stupid, but the fact of the matter is, I'm trying it again to get this theme on my device. So PLEASE help me out!
Thanks everyone!

cheech92007 said:
Alright, as some of you know, I really, really, REALLY, messed up on my last root attempt.
Apparently I didn't backup what I was supposed to. That was my own stupid a55 mistake and I have admitted to it.
I DO plan to attempt a root again so that I can get this theme on my phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042268
There are things that I need to know before I attempt this (and yes I know there are forums already on this but I need to be 110% sure)
1) How do I back up EVERYTHING on my phone and put it on my computer or SD card or somewhere that I can go to incase I mess up again?
2) What is the EASIEST program/method to root this Samsung Epic 4g?
3) (I'm not too sure what I'm talking about here ((remember, I'm a total noob)))
I tried CWM 3.0.0.5 before... is this a ROM that I attempted to go to?
3ii) If I should'nt be using CWM, what should I use?
4) Is Froyo and CWM the same time of thing? or two different things completely?
and finally:
5) Give me all of your recommendations on this please! I DON'T WANNA MESS UP AGAIN!
And please none of this "You messed up before, dont try it again!" crap, I know I messed up, and I know this is stupid, but the fact of the matter is, I'm trying it again to get this theme on my device. So PLEASE help me out!
Thanks everyone!
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Ok, first things first. Not to be rude, but you are at the first step of enjoying Epic goodness; rooting your phone. It should be obvious that this step is covered ALL over XDA and a simple google search would have lead you to the following page:
CWM 3.0.0.5
There are already wayyyy too many threads asking questions that were answered long before they were ever even asked in the first place.
Okay, now that that's out of the way .
1. If you're absolutely freaked about losing anything, MyBackup and MyBackup Pro will back up all your apps. Then simply plug your phone into your computer and copy the entire contents of your sd card to your harddrive. Mybackup Root can be used once your rooted and is free.
2. Use the link i posted.
3. CWM is not a Rom. It replaces the default recovery subsystem with one you can use to flash Roms. You enter it from the off state by pressing Volume Down+Camera+Power. Do not use CWM 3.0.2.4.
4. Froyo is simply the version of android. The Samsung Epic is on Froyo, or 2.2. Roms come in various flavors like Eclair(2.1), Froyo(2.2), and hopefully soon for the Epic, Gingerbread(2.3).
5. Search around the Epic Android Development for a Rom that makes you excited. A good suggestion for you would be Midnight 5.2. All you have to do is download the Rom .zip file to your SD, boot into CWM 3, Install from SD, and point it to the .zip. Read the forums for how to safely install their Roms like clearing data and making/restoring backups.
Remember, everything you've asked has been asked and answered many times, so please search next time to avoid making unnecessary threads and to gain your answer faster!

RandomKing said:
Ok, first things first. Not to be rude, but you are at the first step of enjoying Epic goodness; rooting your phone. It should be obvious that this step is covered ALL over XDA and a simple google search would have lead you to the following page:
CWM 3.0.0.5
There are already wayyyy too many threads asking questions that were answered long before they were ever even asked in the first place.
Okay, now that that's out of the way .
1. If you're absolutely freaked about losing anything, MyBackup and MyBackup Pro will back up all your apps. Then simply plug your phone into your computer and copy the entire contents of your sd card to your harddrive. Mybackup Root can be used once your rooted and is free.
2. Use the link i posted.
3. CWM is not a Rom. It replaces the default recovery subsystem with one you can use to flash Roms. You enter it from the off state by pressing Volume Down+Camera+Power. Do not use CWM 3.0.2.4.
4. Froyo is simply the version of android. The Samsung Epic is on Froyo, or 2.2. Roms come in various flavors like Eclair(2.1), Froyo(2.2), and hopefully soon for the Epic, Gingerbread(2.3).
5. Search around the Epic Android Development for a Rom that makes you excited. A good suggestion for you would be Midnight 5.2. All you have to do is download the Rom .zip file to your SD, boot into CWM 3, Install from SD, and point it to the .zip. Read the forums for how to safely install their Roms like clearing data and making/restoring backups.
Remember, everything you've asked has been asked and answered many times, so please search next time to avoid making unnecessary threads and to gain your answer faster!
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Okay the main thing that I am confused about is number 5. Why do I want these ROM's exactly? Pretty much all I want is that Red Angry Alien theme.

cheech92007 said:
Okay the main thing that I am confused about is number 5. Why do I want these ROM's exactly? Pretty much all I want is that Red Angry Alien theme.
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After reviewing your other posts, I am now aware that you have asked a lot of this and already been answered but are clearly not interested in reading the information presented to you. This should have been continued in the last thread that you started, but what's done is done. Your key problem is rooting with CWM which converts the file system to EXT4. You will have to flash a new rom or kernel immediately following or the phone can't boot. This means that you must have a new rom or kernel .zip file on your sd card PRIOR TO ROOTING. I haven't messed around too much with a rooted stock rom, but at the least you need a new kernel, search for and try VisionKernel if thats all you want.
Please refrain from starting any more threads, you've already been given more information than you need by myself and others. Search around XDA, it can be fun!

RandomKing said:
You will have to flash a new rom or kernel immediately following or the phone can't boot. This means that you must have a new rom or kernel .zip file on your sd card PRIOR TO ROOTING. I haven't messed around too much with a rooted stock rom, but at the least you need a new kernel, search for and try VisionKernel if thats all you want.
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Alright, I just downloaded the EB13-DUALFS-KERNEL.zip to my desktop...is THIS what you were talking about that I need on my SD card first? I looked inside it and it has a KERNEL file in it... So I put this on my SD card, then ROOT, then UNZIP the EB13 on my devices when Im in CWM Reboot?

cheech92007 said:
Alright, I just downloaded the EB13-DUALFS-KERNEL.zip to my desktop...is THIS what you were talking about that I need on my SD card first? I looked inside it and it has a KERNEL file in it... So I put this on my SD card, then ROOT, then UNZIP the EB13 on my devices when Im in CWM Reboot?
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There is no unzipping. In CWM, you simply select "Install from sd", point to your .zip file, and tell it to start. CWM is pretty straight forward to navigate. It will probably take a couple minutes, after which you will select the Reboot option and watch your phone load.

cheech92007 said:
Okay the main thing that I am confused about is number 5. Why do I want these ROM's exactly? Pretty much all I want is that Red Angry Alien theme.
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What randomking said....and
I didn't see what the red angry alien theme was designed for.... it just says ec05...ec05 is the latest build of froyo we have. Because all you want is a theme I'm going to suggest you do the oneclick root cwm version 2.5.5(stock file system).
I assume you'll need to be on a deodexed rom to flash that, but you may want to try it(since you learned how to odin you can just about recover from anything) and see if it works.
After you run the oneclick 2.5.5 root your good to go, just boot back into clockworkmod(2.5.5 is green text and not orange) click down to backup/restore, click on it and then click backup. This is what's called a nandroid. A nandroid is a complete backup of your entire system, including all user data. The only thing it will not backup is the kernel, since your not changing the kernel it won't matter. If you have problems or mess up you just wipe everything/factory reset/cache/dalvik cache and instead of going to backup, you select restore....blaam exactly the way your phone was when you backed it up. BTW backing up and restoring takes about 10minutes and don't try it when your battery is almost dead.
Hope that helps a bit more and don't rush it, the theme will be here for a long while I'm sure.

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There is no unzipping. In CWM, you simply select "Install from sd", point to your .zip file, and tell it to start. CWM is pretty straight forward to navigate. It will probably take a couple minutes, after which you will select the Reboot option and watch your phone load.
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Great, Thank you so much I really appreciate it.
Now all I need to do is get my theme on here xD

cheech92007 said:
Great, Thank you so much I really appreciate it.
Now all I need to do is get my theme on here xD
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On second thought cheech, go herehttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009997 and watch every single one of these videos and don't ask anything more untill you have.....deal?

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On second thought cheech, go herehttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009997 and watch every single one of these videos and don't ask anything more untill you have.....deal?
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yessir!

cheech92007 said:
yessir!
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I'll thank that post later if you really watch ALL those videos.....they're really helpful

[Q] why no FAQ here?

Just curious there seems to be lots of common asked questions from us first time rooters. I suprised no one as collated these in to a easy to read FAQ.
I draw your attention to say, what drivers should be installed, those from the Revolutionary.io site work perfect. and then some FASTBOOT commands to flash new Recoveries, Boot Images etc.
I would do something like this but im only a 3week old rooter, so im still learning.
example, i would assume from the Nandroid back i have done that the recovery.img is a back up of recovery and that i can flash a new Recovery (4ext) and if i dont like that i can use the backup recovery.img from NanDroid to go back to that version.
just a thought.

faq are already there..in dev section there is a stick thread about rooting and all
the problem is that probably it need to be updated
but the big problem is that no one will read it..searching on google always solve all for me, and should solve all even for newbie

I agree. Google always gives the answer. It led me to XDA when I first started rooting around. Now I'm hooked
The nandroid back up is the most important thing to do. You can always go back if you don't like what you've done (remembering to wipe cache etc)

Plenty enough tutorials and walkthroughs if you look for them
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