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Hi all,
I've been using a HTC Titan for the past 1.5 years and I'm going to need to get something new. The Titan is alright, but I've gone through 3 units because of keyboard problems and wifi issues. This whole process has left me somewhat disallusioned with HTC.
The Rhodium looks awesome and I know its relatively new, but will I be dissapointed if I give HTC another shot? Anyone made this jump as well? I'm hoping 2.5 generations will have made a huge difference.
stim_stim said:
Hi all,
I've been using a HTC Titan for the past 1.5 years and I'm going to need to get something new. The Titan is alright, but I've gone through 3 units because of keyboard problems and wifi issues. This whole process has left me somewhat disallusioned with HTC.
The Rhodium looks awesome and I know its relatively new, but will I be dissapointed if I give HTC another shot? Anyone made this jump as well? I'm hoping 2.5 generations will have made a huge difference.
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I have...
And its defo a step up...Major step infact...
My TyTn II was so buggy now thinking about it...the Rhodium is a ot more smooth, however as usual WM has bugs.
I have also made the jump from Titan to Rhodium. I just couldn't stand the hardware issues anymore.
I must say I miss the large selection of buttons you had with the Titan and though it was a touch screen I think the interface for me was only like half touch. With the Rhodium its full touch for just about everything but TF3D makes up for Windows short falls and I am all but used to the interface after a week. Also if you are big into games on your Titan you may find that several do not work on the Rhodium as the screen res and lack of D button prevent them from playing.
Another issue for me was the soft reset being under the cover because no matter what I was soft resetting at least once a day with Titan. With the Rhodium I am running "Power Options" for resetting and shutdown and I have only fully locked up once where I had to remove the cover and hit the button.
Overall I think it was a good switch. The keyboard and HUGE touch screen along with the snappiness more than make up for lack of buttons. Hope this helps!
Is the extra weight easy to get used to?
I would say yes. I like a heavy phone just because I think it feels like a higher quality device and a lot more solid but thats just me. I like heavy pens too which may be for the same reason.
I think the better build quality over the Titan helps getting used to the weight. I also think it feels a little better in your hand than the Titan at least the Sprint one does as it has like a rubbery feeling battery plate and the rounded edges are wonderful. It appears much thinner to me.
Are you on Sprint or another carrier?
I had a titan for a while, I would've been happy if I had one that was brand new, had no problems and was faster.
That's EXACTLY what the TP2 is, it's a titan on steroids. It does and has everything that I wanted more out of my titan.
More power, longer battery life, bigger screen, 3.5mm jack (well if your CDMA), better keyboard (titan was pretty damn good, this one is better), tilt function.
I liked playing games on my titan, so it's a bit more difficult on the TP2, but to me the phone makes up for the lack of D-pad, I wouldn't give up this phone for a lesser with a D-pad.
I debated picking up a new/slightly used touch pro 1 to replace my titan, since I figured I could get one cheap since the TP2 was here. Then maybe down the road, replace it with the TP2 once the price drops or they become replacements for broken TP1s.
Now that I have the TP2, I wouldn't return it on the "return policy" to get a cheaper TP1 (which seem to have a few issues themselves). My buddy that owns a TP1 agreed, "If I had that phone (TP2), I wouldn't return it for a TP1"
I'm with Telus in Canada so I have the ole cdma version.
The one thing I think will be awesome is that itll be so much easier pressing the "x" on the screen because of the smoothed edges. I always found the screen edge on the titan to be really annoying. Of course, win 6.5 will supposedly fix this by moving the "x"
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I'm with Telus in Canada so I have the ole cdma version.
The one thing I think will be awesome is that itll be so much easier pressing the "x" on the screen because of the smoothed edges. I always found the screen edge on the titan to be really annoying. Of course, win 6.5 will supposedly fix this by moving the "x"
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Its definitely way easier and I don't know that the change in WM6.5 will even matter to me since I no longer have issues pressing the "X".
The Titan was very annoying with the screen being in a giant crater.
This is just a little research into the market for a new Desire (and other Android phones) accessory I hope to make and sell.
Similar to the TK-421 keyboard case for the iPhone, its pretty much for anyone with a keyboardless phone looking for a more tactile typing experience. I will aim to simplify the hinge more compared to the TK-421, making it more sturdy and have less chance of problems. If you read up some reviews on it, you'll notice the swivel hinge is held together by 1 thin pin and users have a constant feeling that it will break.
I wouldn't have an idea on how to go about making a sturdy sliding mechanism as an alternative (hey, even the phone manufacturers haven't got it right yet!) or even a slider at all.So instead, I've decided to go with a simple flipping hinge for the time being. I can think of a few problems with this already. Just can't win, but I'll work something out.
It's early idea stages so far, but I just want to get a feel for people's opinions, since it's definitely a 2 sided discussion. Some prefer keeping their device thin and sleek, while others love their device apart from the fact that there's no physical keyboard and would not hesitate to sacrifice the thinness.
Keeping in mind, this WILL add a significant thickness to your phone.
An 11mm thick phone + 1mm thick case + ~9mm thick keyboard = behemoth
Imagine a Nokia N900 or Touch Pro 2 (comparable to a bricks), but slightly thicker. The upside however, is that you're not stuck withthe bulkiness all the time.
In other words, switch between brick and slick, whenever you want
In addition: if this project goes through and is mildly successful, I may release a "Gamepad Addon", making gaming more enjoyable for us with keyboard-less phones. In fact, I might first release it specifically targeting gamers depending on the respsonse... Pushing the brainstorm aside, I just want to hear what everyone thinks!
Please post with your opinion below. The more feedback I get, the better. If you don't feel like posting, please at least vote it the poll so I can get a close idea.
This isn't all just written ideas by the way. I've been testing different things with my Nexus One and the specific keyboard I'll be using for a few weeks now.
NOTE: I've posted this in the Desire section simply because it's the best fitted phone for this accessory. It's the same size as the keyboard (all 3.7 inch screen phones are also), the trackpad does not protrude much and therefore won't interfere with the mechanism. This pretty much leaves the Desire and Droid Incredible, but there seems to be a bigger Desire community...so here goes!
I wouldn't mind the accessory, but the price shouldn't be prohibitive. Another question will be how would you connect to the Desire? Bluetooth?
Yep, Bluetooth is the only option.
Unfortunately USB Host isn't available on the Desire and other androids without an external power source and lots of fiddling.
This means if you wanted this accessory you'd need to either be running CM6, or have some third party software (BlueInput/BlueKeyboard JP). If I had programming experience I'd develop the drivers myself, sadly this is not the case!
As for price, I am thinking US $30-$40. There are a couple of iPhone cases soon to be released in the $70-80 price range which I think is a little steep.
Personally, $40 would be the borderline price if I were to buy something like this, so hopefully it'll be a little less than that.
What about the positioning? Will it be like the iPhone version and be placed on the back? Battery life? Will the gaming addon cost more?
So I recently searched for a new phone with android on it installed, after my HD2 with Android 2.3 gave the soul with it's broken touch screen (digitizer). And I found the Motorola Defy which seems like a pretty nice and tough phone. (It costs €279 for a new Defy here)
What I'm wondering is how you guys feel about the phone in general? I've also read thread's about rooting the phone with android 2.2 ([ROM] Pays-ROM Defy v6.0 Froyo with Ginger feeling [3.4.2-164 official]) and I'm wondering if it can keep up with the phones of today after rooting and overclocking it. (Maybe give an example of which phones it can be compared to )
I'm tempted to buy the Defy because after researching and reading a lot of reviews I see that it's actually a pretty good phone for this time. Although I love the 4,3" screen of my HD2, I just get a weird feeling with the 3,7" screen of the Defy (Although the bigger they are the harder they break ). So is there anyone who came from a phone with a bigger screen that has the same feeling or doesn't it matter much to you?
I just like the sturdiness feeling of the Defy too much over other phones. I always get a feeling with other phones that if I drop them they are dead for good.
So all in all, are you happy about your phone and can you recommend it to me with the rooted android 2.2 and overclocking? And is it possible to rewind Android 2.2 to it's original state so it won't break the warranty for a repair?
It's a good phone, I'm running rooted 2.2, and its great and fluid, with a great battery life(2 days with moderate to heavy usage). That said if you don't care about the water resistance. Pay a bit more and get the Sgs galaxy s1. A lot of bang for your buck and a better screen, not to mention an unlocked bootloader and official 2.3.
Just drop it the other day from around 2.5" feet to solid tile ground screen down. Got a scare but luckily it is still alright. Love the water resistant, as I wash it a few times before.
CM 7 is also available for defy
It's a good buy !
I have no idea how any of you guys have a flawless HTC One X. Seriously.
I have had 10 phones. TEN!
How HTC can send this pile of rubbish out is just beyond me. Sure, the screen is lovely. If it's not covered with yellow splodges, or a faulty digitizer. Or the case surrounding it doesn't creak or flex.
I updated my latest and unfortunately not the greatest 10th phone to sense 4.1. And it's great they have got rid of the three dots.
But whatever they doing at their factories, they are not doing much quality checking. Or perhaps they are sticking the screens down with chewing gum.
If anyone asks me "should I buy a HTC One X". Guess what my answer is going to be?
Sure, if you want to spend the next 2.5 months sending your phone back for replacements, spending over £160 in doing so in line rental, telephone calls to your supplier and postage to send it back. Go for it. It's really fun.
So how did you do it guys? Seriously? Or am I thinking that some of you have actually got slight flaws, but are living with them.
I honestly feel like I could get a crate of HTC One X's and there would be 5 or 6 in it that were without any kind of flaws.
I don't need to put on a flame proof suit. I'm sure I'll get jumped on for this post. However, I genuinely do not believe for one moment that there is such thing as a flawless HTC One X.
People can't seem to understand why Samsung is charging ahead with such success with badly designed phones compared to HTC.
Well, now you know why. Because as much as the design of the Samsung is pants, I imagine their build quality is light years ahead of HTC's.
So it depends if you want your phone to look good, or to actually be without build quality issues.
I know which I would rather have. And let me tell you, it's lesson hard learned.
What a pile of crap.
The reason why you're getting so many bad ones is probably because, unless you are going to a store and personally picking your phone out of the new ones, it's probably a refurb. HTC likely doesn't do much QA for refurbs, so you're sorting through phones that have been returned for the same reasons why you returned your phone. In all likelihood, the defective Samsung phones never even leave the factory.
It sucks, but what can you do?
Sorry to say the obvious, but you've had some really really awful luck with your devices if you've managed to go through 10, and all of them with faults that are worthy of a replacement.
If my device has any issues, it's that there is a slight gap around the screen bezel, enough for 1 tiny spec of dust to get stuck in, and tbh, that's the sort of issue I expect from any phone I purchase, I know Samsung don't do any better with gaps between joins in their design, Apple definitely don't. Guess I have a godly HOX or something?
My HOX has one slight issue as far as im aware, and yes im LIVING with it. Its the fault where if I hold it with my Left hand (WHICH I USUALLY DO) I completely or mostly lose WiFi, I can't be bothered doing the squeeze test etc, as this makes it worse. And I know I have the issue, but 10 phones worthy of replacement? Sounds like your more unlucky than the devils *****.
But canI ask a question?
WHAT IS THESE 3 DOTS EVERYONE IS ON ABOUT?!
I know those issues with a big german service contractor of O2. Not HTCs fault directly but very annoying.
They replace broken phones with refurbished ones and save the QC.
First One X had a faulty digitizer after 3 month -> Swap
Returned one had a gap at the bottom where the light shone through, the black plastic around the screen stood up a bit, a rattling vibrator and a bright 2 cm strech where the bottom backlight is situated. -> Swap
Third one now seems technically ok. I can push the glass out if I like to, because it does not really sit tight which is ok as I am a tinkerer anyway and the SIM card holder looks like somebody chewed on it.
They don't want to swap the card holder alone and want the whole phone returned.
I think I will keep it as I guess it can only get worse with a new one. Chewed holder is nothing compared to most complaints here
@Wilks3y
The 3 dots are a big bar for the menu at the bottom on the screen that show up with some applications that are not yet optimized for Android 4. It's annoying and takes space, but nothing else.
HTC said they solved all the quirks in PRODUCTION. You're getting replacements from your carrier, and you're getting the phones which have been manufactured long time ago (before june or july), because they always hand over the older devices first. They know that some people aren't so aware of the problems and device will eventually find an owner which does not care or know about problem. What you got caught into is the cruel business model.
And that's the reason everyone should insist on picking your phone in the store. I always tell them to show me 5 devices out of the stock and I will inspect them personally (that's a costumer right) for any faults. HOX is not the first device with QC problems, and two owners and friends of mine have zero problems. and if you think samsung is any better, my friend got one in June and chrome plastic around screen started peeling already with his phone always in protective case! plus he cannot get it replaced on warranty because "he himself damaged the device by dropping it".
scam is everywhere mate.
Why have you created a new thread for the same rant?
I understand your frustration though. I went through a very similar thing and only yesterday is it sorted. Unless the wifi issue comes back. I bought the phone on release.
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when you say build quality is abysmal it means all the one Xs they make are from the same kind of quality, for example very cheap plastic being etc or they all have a broken screen
this is not true, in fact a flawless One X is very fancy in terms of build and sturdiness
the issue you talk about is not build quality, its quality control, meaning some defected phones are being let out of factory
when you keep getting defected phones (like my luck when i first went to buy it) it means you should change your source
I have bought one x about 2-4 weeks after being released and had no problems with it so far. Probably some series of phone have been faulty or had low quality control .
I'm with the OP.
I don't think it's easy to quantify what the problems are with this phone - or is it indeed the manufacturer?
Here's my story.
First phone - yellow patch problem - wasn't sure about the wifi issue - but the yellow spots sucked.
Within the 28 day period, so got a straight swap with retailer - in my case Tesco mobile partner (2020mobile I think they're called).
In this time I really baby'd the phone - no drops, no hard knocks, no nothing. No screen protector admittedly - but - within this initial 3 week period, the Gorilla glass 2 (ROFL) still picked up fine scratches.
Replacement phone arrived - this one - less yellowing patches - but still enough for me to notice and not want on a phone which is meant to do me for 2 years. Also at this point I noticed the phone had the infamous wifi problem.
Again, really fine scratching appearing on screen.
So - sent back - outside 28 days, so had to be through HTC repair.
After 1st repair - looks like they'd replaced the screen, but not fixed the wifi - plus they'd managed to scratch the camera lense and body when it was in, so, back it went for repair.
It came back with new housing (ie no camera lense scratch or body scratches), but now I'm finding the wifi issue has clearly not been resolved.
This is just completely nuts.
And the fine scratches on my new screen are now starting to show, after about 3 or 4 weeks use - again with me babying it.
Seriously - this phone if it it didn't have these flaws would be great.
But in reality it seriously sucks.
End of my tether.
I also agree with OP
.. to many different and possible defects:
- GPS
- Sensors
- dead pixel
- dust under Display
- yellow spots
- WIFI issues
- Heating issue (differs from model)
- case and display - Quality (not instantly visible after unpacking)
- Bluetooth
... many more
i changed my phone also 9 times, important part:
- different shops
- different serial 23 to 27
and the best of allnce i sent my phone for repair and received a much worse model with two defects on the case
it defect rate is much better in SH /HT 27 but still a lack of quality...
Well, i think some of the defects are not visible to everyone because they don´t use/need the features !!
SGS3 was no option for me - i stick to the HOX - just want a model without lets call it "build" defects or lack of quality control.. the result is always the same for the customer. I messed around with all the problems and still love the phone ... i think for many "ex" HTC customers it was the last HTC phone for a long time ...
So HTC missed the spot - they invested a lot of money in "interesting" projects or companies instead of dealing with the core business - i am sure the managers who are responsible for this all are still earning a lot of money ... and a few thousand workers have been fired
Well done HTC
I changed my hox 4 times,every time different problem so then I changed to another phone make ,feels bad leaving HTC but when your QUADCORE phone becomes a source of a pain like in my case there is no point hangin about,can't wait to see what HTC will come up with comes Christmas or April 2013 really excited
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And the fine scratches on my new screen are now starting to show, after about 3 or 4 weeks use - again with me babying it.
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Clearly you have grit or something in your pocket then.
Remember - scratches are caused by a harder object, rubbing against the screen. This isn't a manufacturing fault. The screen is not anymore susceptible to scratches than any previous gorilla glass, nor any other standard glass screens.
Either get a screen protector, or find the source of your scratches, ie grit in your pocket and get rid of it. If you have a pouch, could be there is grit in that embedded in the inside fabric layer
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So if I go to a store and they give me 10 defective devices what would I do? Not go through that store.
Or maybe creating multiple threads will solve what common sense couldn't.
Why not merge your two whining threads together since you haven't said anything new.
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I don't know what the deal is, but it ain't the overall build quality.
I had ONE HOX and it's perfect build quality. Actually, best build quality I've ever had, and certainly WAAAAAY Better than my mom's SGSIII or my previous SGSII and SGS.
This is a fact that has been established. But still refreshing to see it pop up again . But I agree with the OP. When I said goodbye to the HTC sensation XL, the One X was on my priority list, for all the obvious reasons. But then I asked myself: do I really want to go through it again, given that everyone is going through with the One X. The answer is no. Half my "thanks" came from defending HTC in the early launch, but now when I see the complaining posts, I cant be bothered to defend anyone anymore.
Now I feel extremely lucky, having a phone with none of these defects. SH23.
One X to rule them all.
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I don't know what the deal is, but it ain't the overall build quality.
I had ONE HOX and it's perfect build quality. Actually, best build quality I've ever had, and certainly WAAAAAY Better than my mom's SGSIII or my previous SGSII and SGS.
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Yeah, I think the OP meant 'quality control' or 'reliability'. Not 'build quality' - I'd say if anything, the quality feel of hTCs higher end devices in the hand is second only to Apple. It's my big issue with Samsungs, really - they charge £450 for a device that is made of exactly the same materials, and has had exactly the same amount of thought into the design as a £90 ZTE Blade. Incidentally, my HOX is 'perfect', at least for now - they do exist.
However, for the bootloader unlocking/warranty invalidation nonsense hTC have been preaching, even if I hadn't heard so many bad things about the One X, I'm never going to buy another device from them or advise others to. Kind of a shame when devices like the Desire and Desire Z were so damn good.
I bought my hoz, from singapure, using eBay. Its perfect, but I will choose all my entery life a broken hoz than a good sg3. A lot of my friend from my country got 20 time their sg3 back, and still changed it, broken glass inside the Box, no light bottons, others dont turn on and so on. As they dont speak english, and as they use sg3 app phone, no modding at all. I will start writing for then in sg3 Forum talking about Samsung sg3 broken glasses and defect software quality.
So that will be a lovely Forum. It will be a good action, cause a love my friends and to help them. I think every hoz uswrs with friends with sg3 problems should do the same.
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I have a March-build HT23 and it was perfect when I got it and its still perfect now. Go figure.
I'm a long time HTC sensation user and have modded it all the way up to lollipop. Sadly, the wife just dropped it and cracked her entire screen - just today. It was a fun, slo-mo event. Happily, that means it's time to upgrade. sssshhh I know I can buy a new screen...but it's time for an upgrade after 4+ years.
I'm pretty sure I'm going for the m8 rather than the s5, but I'm curious about any, shall we say, un-"reviewed" pit falls?
Things like:
I know the battery is non removable but the S5 has a removable one. We had the sensation so long we burned through a few ankers and it really helped the life span. Comments on the real world battery? One of the strength, to me, was the removable battery. I have an old itouch, with a, let called it, hard to deal with battery. It was nice to not be forced to upgrade when the battery became is hosed.
The modding power. I quite enjoy rooting/s-offing/breaking my phone - but ideally not bricking. I know htc has been a tad cranky in the past with this, it seems okay looking at the development community and I'm not reading up on too many issues but what are experiences between rooting/roming this vs the S5?
Any, I love this phone but, damn, this one thing really suck but there's a easy work around type things? Or it's be the best phone except the battery is ****? Things the main reviewers won't really say?
Hoping to join you guy here from the sensation forums in a few days(and of course root my phone asap)
It just doesn't feel right in my hands. Can't explain it but maybe it's just me and my dislike for curved phones. I still don't like how uncomfortable it feels to hold.
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It just doesn't feel right in my hands. Can't explain it but maybe it's just me and my dislike for curved phones. I still don't like how uncomfortable it feels to hold.
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Enough that the phone isn't worth it? Have you moved on? Wished that you had an S5, nexus 5, etc? Any other major regrets besides the feel?
I have tried every other competitor till now. G3 - sluggish and heats up fast. S5 - build quality, knox and no gpe posibility. Z3 - Too pricey, low on updates and development, otherwise a spectacular phone. OnePlus - No stable ROM to date, even CM11SR44 is buggy.
The battery on the One M8 has been great for me. I always get 4-5h SOT through 1-2days. Keep in mind that I come from Z Ultra and Mi3 that both had 3000+ mah batteries.
My advice is to buy this phone, you will not regret it.
This might actually be the first phone I manage to keep for two years (thus avoiding the inevitable arguement with the wife) hahaha
Here are my problems
1. Camera covers scratch really easily. My main back camera was scratched quite badly, even with a spigen slim armor on all the time. I sent it in for repair and they replaced both the front facing and the back main covers. The back currently is being protected by a 'screen protector'. The coating on the new front cover scratched/came slightly off in about a month and I rubbed the rest away. It remains scratch-free, but (number 2)
2. Dust can get under the speaker grilles and get stuck under front facing camera. Not sure if it is due to the replacement of the covers or what. Just last month, I went to Australia for a military exercise and it was very sandy. I believe it was the sand that went in. With that said, my platoon mate using the same phone did not get even a single speck of dust stuck under his.
I messaged the service centre and they said they would clean it for free under warranty, even with my bootloader unlocked, but the technician would do a diagnostic on my phone. The CSO asked for my IMEI number to check if I was under warranty, which I refused to give. Funny part is, shouldn't all M8s be under warranty since it was released only this year?
With regards to the battery, it is definitely awesome, although mine seem to have been weakened with me abusing it.
Personally I really like it-it's my favorite phone since the HD2. I agree it can be awkward to hold and the camera can be scratched, but for me these problems were easily solved by getting a decent case for it(i.e. not one of the barely covers it slim or dot view style cases, one of the bigger ones that actually protects it. I also put a screen protector on it just to be safe. I've dropped it twice from pocket level and it's fine).
The only thing I've noticed that I think could possibly be better is the battery life. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad per se, but I do feel it could be a little better. Of course, there are power saver apps and whatnot you can do to help with that.
And that's it.
What I like is how customizable it is. The only thing we can't currently do is put W8 on it, but given how wide open this phone is, that may just be a matter of time and interest. Meantime you can pretty much do anything else you want to it, which I love. There's a lot to be said for having the choice to use it however you want to. Can't recommend it enough.
Battery life is pretty good on the m8 especially on gpe a gpe m8 I would rate higher than a nexus device go for the m8 you won't be disappointed
One issue and that's the volume keys, everything else seems perfect to me (fantastic build quality, decent camera, decent battery, easily converted to gpe which is really nice).
Edit: Oh yeah second issue is that the htc keyboard sucks, thankfully that's a non issue because you can easily get better keyboards on the store.
I got the M8! Thanks for you thoughts. Already boot unlocked and Rooted, sadly I'll need sunshine not firewater to s-off when I go there but it's a great phone. Having had a Sensation for the lat 4 years...we've forgotten how fast phones can be! Cheers!
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Enough that the phone isn't worth it? Have you moved on? Wished that you had an S5, nexus 5, etc? Any other major regrets besides the feel?
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Enough that I'm constantly trying to get something else!
Had the Nexus 5 for almost 11 months and absolutely loved the feel of the phone in hand!
I've been trying to get a hold of a Z3 but all the Canadian ones are only 16gb so it's kind of disappointing. I'll wait for a next generation SD810 phone before I switch again. GPE Lollipop has reduced my enthusiasm to find something else!