[Q] Turn off 3G when wireless available? - Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'm not exactly sure how this works, so could someone explain it?
In a few programs I've seen the option to change the sleep defaults for wireless - options like "Default", "Never when charging" and "Never". I've seen various explanations of these options that imply that at some point the system will turn off the wireless and instead use 3g when the phone hasn't been used in a while and then turn wifi back on when it wakes up. Is this correct?
My phone spends quite a bit of its time downstairs in a basement with me. When actually using the phone down here the 3g appears to use more battery than wireless does. However, setting the "no sleep" option appears to keep the wireless radio on in a way that runs the battery down much faster than normal.
Note that I'm getting part of this impression because I've used JuiceDefender in the past. I still have it installed, but disabled because it makes data connections very laggy and actually its CPU feature appeared to make the biggest difference on older Kernals. Chad's newest Kernals appear to do better at scaling the CPU for battery life than JuiceDefender does.
Is there a way to set the system to let wifi go to sleep when it wants, reconnect when it needs to and leave 3g off? I'd like to do this with Tasker or SettingsProfiles since I own those programs and I could make it dependant on being at my house.
Thanks.

Leave both radios on. In my Stock Sense rom, they auto switch.
If your battery drains without signal, the real problem it's the phone searching for towers (for voice purposes).
If you don't need voice, put the phone in airplane mode, but enable wifi.
If you need voice then put the phone near signal, like a window and wear a bluetooth headset.
I have the same problem at work and I have built pretty reliable habit on these practices.
If you must automate this with complex scenarios, buy Tasker from the market.. Tasker's website provides free samples of programing this common question.. But it's not the easiest thing to do.

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Doubled battery life - but there's a down side

there is a setting under settings / wireless and networks / mobile networks that says "enable always on mobile data"
Switching this to off about doubled my battery life and everything still seemed to work okay as far as data goes. All my apps worked including things that check or update periodically in the background - so I'm not sure what this feature does.
The only downside is that the phone would crash periodically in areas with poor reception. It would go back to the sprint boot animation and come up after a minute and the uptime would not be reset.
Imconvinced part of the battery life problem is due ton inefficient use of data, but I'm wondering what can be done about it without sacrificing stability. Ahylne else have a similar experience or willing to try it out or have more information?
Trying this out, seeing what it effects it has on my normally used apps. So far (first 20 minutes of doing it) everything seems to run fine. I would guess this causes the phone to "hibernate" the 3g radio whilst locked.
I started doing this on Hero and continue to do it on the Evo. The biggest issue is that if you are using pandora (or similar app), it causes problems when the phone goes to sleep.
The setting stops your 3g connection when the screen goes to sleep. This prevents the phone from updating email, twitter or whatever else you use. As soon as you turn the screen on, it turns on 3g, downloads your email etc.
I check my phone often enough (for the time or whatever) that I don't mind not getting my email immediately (it downloads when I turn the screen on).
This has saves a ton of battery life. The only time I enable always on mobile network is to listen to pandora. I have done this since day 1 and have had no issues.
I tried this last week and it made a massive difference in battery life. I turned it back on though because I do like my phone to download things while it is idle. I also don't want to get used to the improved battery life just to have to switch it back later.
i dont know if any of you have heard of juice defender what it does the same thing pretty much. with a few exceptions. whereby you can set the program up to allow your phone to take data even if your screen is off at a certain duration of time, then it will go back to sleep.
thats a really simple explanation of what the app does. if anyone of you does decide to use the app let me know i can share my settings more specifically. I have increases my battery life by 87% and i have have 0 problems.
I have this option unchecked and not only has my battery life improved, but I don't notice any performance or stability issues.
Also, my data continues to download in the background as normal (regardless of whether the screen is on or off). I have Facebook and Twitter set to download data every so often and it continues to do so. Even Google Voice will notify me of messages even if the screen is off.
I think what this option does is, when checked, makes the radio work hard to find and keep a data connection (especially in low signal areas). I notice that with the option unchecked, my data connection drops a bit more often than with it on. I don't mind that though seeing that the data connection simply reconnects automatically and almost instantly.
thanks!
10char
Would you all mind doing an experiment for me? Turn this option off (so data is not constantly on) and turn your screen on and put it in your microwave so it loses signal*.
Watch it and see if it crashes. I suspect something about this setting being off is causing the phone to crash when it loses its cell connection momentarily.
*Don't turn on your microwave.
Okay so after more research I'm pretty sure the main instigator of poor battery life is the data connection constantly going wild. According to SystemPanel my phone hangs out doing nothing downloading at 100-200Kbps for large amounts of time. Not sure what it's downloading.
To find out what apps were causing this I used Spare Parts and saw this:
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So a process with the PID of "0" is what is using most of the data connection, followed by UID 10011 which is contact/calendar/mail sync. I can click through to 10011 and get details, but if I try to click on PID "0" I get a force close.
There is also another preference under Accounts & Sync for "background data" and "auto-sync." I'm not sure what the difference is between this background data setting and the one in wireless & networks that says "enable always-on mobile data." Anyone have any thoughts on that?
Also interesting is what was happening when I had always on data disabled:
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You can see where my phone was crashing but look at my battery life before and after the crash. It looks like it has dipped significantly. Also, the crashes only lasted a minute while the phone rebooted, not nearly as long as what was recorded here - so it's possible something was going on with the battery life before the phone crashed.
juice defender settings
mastermayhm069 said:
i dont know if any of you have heard of juice defender what it does the same thing pretty much. with a few exceptions. whereby you can set the program up to allow your phone to take data even if your screen is off at a certain duration of time, then it will go back to sleep.
thats a really simple explanation of what the app does. if anyone of you does decide to use the app let me know i can share my settings more specifically. I have increases my battery life by 87% and i have have 0 problems.
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Could you please post you settings that you use with Juice Defender. Also, please post any suggestions about Juice Defender and Ultimate Juice.
Thanks, John.........
mastermayhm069 said:
i dont know if any of you have heard of juice defender what it does the same thing pretty much. with a few exceptions. whereby you can set the program up to allow your phone to take data even if your screen is off at a certain duration of time, then it will go back to sleep.
thats a really simple explanation of what the app does. if anyone of you does decide to use the app let me know i can share my settings more specifically. I have increases my battery life by 87% and i have have 0 problems.
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I swore Juice Defender only works with GSM and not CDMA.
It even say this when you go to download the app. Although I did just google it an apparently people have it going on the Motorola Droid rooted.
Who with Android experience wants to prove this?
OMGWTF_BBQ said:
I swore Juice Defender only works with GSM and not CDMA.
It even say this when you go to download the app. Although I did just google it an apparently people have it going on the Motorola Droid rooted.
Who with Android experience wants to prove this?
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+1 I thought this was the case too. i unchecked the data option. It's been a full day and no reboots
I'm running Juice Defender today and my battery life seems even worse. I'm talking 20-25% drop per hour.
SOMETHING is wrong here.
prjkthack said:
I have this option unchecked and not only has my battery life improved, but I don't notice any performance or stability issues.
Also, my data continues to download in the background as normal (regardless of whether the screen is on or off). I have Facebook and Twitter set to download data every so often and it continues to do so. Even Google Voice will notify me of messages even if the screen is off.
I think what this option does is, when checked, makes the radio work hard to find and keep a data connection (especially in low signal areas). I notice that with the option unchecked, my data connection drops a bit more often than with it on. I don't mind that though seeing that the data connection simply reconnects automatically and almost instantly.
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The option is not meant to enable/disable applications from using the data connection when the screen is off, so applications should be able to continue updating.
What the option is meant to do is to determine whether your phone should maintain data connectivity all the time, even when there are no apps using data. Unchecking the option means that when an app needs data, it must first connect, then make its request. This makes it take a little longer (or maybe a lot longer for 4G which seems to take longer to initialize a connection).

[Q] SetCPU and JuiceDefender, are they needed anymore?

Hello,
Title says it all...
I would notice overnight that my battery would be completely horizontal (no drop) and thought it was the combination of SETCPU and JuiceDefender (night profile + screen off drop mhz).
But, after unisntalling them, I noticed the same "flat line" at night and also achieved over 30 hours of battery life.
My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
I agree... I got about 27 hours of life out of my battery without set cpu or JD (i've never liked JD anyway because its like putting my kid on riddlin)
h20wakebum said:
My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
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Which version of JD are you using? If you have the Plus or Ultimate version, you can probably still gain some benefit, but you need to learn how to custom configure the settings so that you use the ones that are still relevant. For example:
Where Not Helpful: JD will turn off your GPS if an application isn't using it, but most of today's phones will do that anyway.
Where Helpful:: In advanced settings, you can provide a 'night schedule', wherein during this time, JD will disable mobile data, and thus polling, so your phone will not go out and check for mail, FB messages, Tweets, etc. Otherwise, mobile data is off unless you 'wake' the screen for some reason. Or another feature that 'trains' your wi-fi to only activate when you are at home or a 'recognized' wi-fi spot. These are a couple examples, there are others.
Where it MAY be Helpful: JD can disable mobile data for a custom # of minutes (10/15/30/60) and prevent background sync during those periods. It will awake, allow the sync, then turn mobile data off. Now some apps may only sync in these intervals anyway, but unless they're all syncing at the same time, you could have lots of 'up' time. Some of this may not 'wake' your phone from Deep Sleep, but depending on how sloppy the code is, it might.
Hope this helps.
h20wakebum said:
Hello,
Title says it all...
I would notice overnight that my battery would be completely horizontal (no drop) and thought it was the combination of SETCPU and JuiceDefender (night profile + screen off drop mhz).
But, after unisntalling them, I noticed the same "flat line" at night and also achieved over 30 hours of battery life.
My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
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I think really depends on the ROM you are running. ViperROM has a script that changes the CPU speed and governer on the fly. So no need for SetCPU there. I'd say Juice Defender can still come in handy with turning data off when you aren't using it.
My 2 cents. Your results may vary.
Capp5050 said:
Which version of JD are you using? If you have the Plus or Ultimate version, you can probably still gain some benefit, but you need to learn how to custom configure the settings so that you use the ones that are still relevant. For example:
Where Not Helpful: JD will turn off your GPS if an application isn't using it, but most of today's phones will do that anyway.
Where Helpful:: In advanced settings, you can provide a 'night schedule', wherein during this time, JD will disable mobile data, and thus polling, so your phone will not go out and check for mail, FB messages, Tweets, etc. Otherwise, mobile data is off unless you 'wake' the screen for some reason. Or another feature that 'trains' your wi-fi to only activate when you are at home or a 'recognized' wi-fi spot. These are a couple examples, there are others.
Where it MAY be Helpful: JD can disable mobile data for a custom # of minutes (10/15/30/60) and prevent background sync during those periods. It will awake, allow the sync, then turn mobile data off. Now some apps may only sync in these intervals anyway, but unless they're all syncing at the same time, you could have lots of 'up' time. Some of this may not 'wake' your phone from Deep Sleep, but depending on how sloppy the code is, it might.
Hope this helps.
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I use ultimate. I did run a night schedule, but that kind of points back to my original observation... I'd have night setup from 11pm - 7am and see a horizontal line for battery during this time (wow JD is really working)... BUT, with it uninstalled, during the same period of time 11pm - 7am my battery was also horizontal line... So did it really do anything? I'm on wifi at my house so when I'm sleeping the phone is wifi and not constantly pinging the mobile network (does that make a diff. being on wifi)?
I also did like the wifi only when home setting.
With ViperRom, I probably don't need set CPU anymore... Maybe i'll throw JD back on.
One question.. were you running the beta JD? I noticed the beta would always throw errors in the log stating i needed to uninstall, reboot, reinstall (I never did) anyone else have that happen?
These numbers sound like you have the radio off and don't turn your display on. Pretty amazing numbers otherwise. Would love to know the rom + kernal you're using
edit: I see the post above you mention viperrom. Typically if you have data turned off and display off any device will last days. My OG evo lasts for around 48 hours just sitting there. Still really impressive if you're using your phone within that 30 hours
h20wakebum said:
One question.. were you running the beta JD? I noticed the beta would always throw errors in the log stating i needed to uninstall, reboot, reinstall (I never did) anyone else have that happen?
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I've never tried the beta; I started with standard, upgraded to Premium, then eventually upgraded to Ultimate (I use the 'Customize' setting, but rarely the 'Advanced' config).
I hear ya on the night-time wi-fi thing. But with this particular phone (and before I rooted and changed ROM/Kernel), on some nights I would be connected to wi-fi and get ZERO CPU sleep time, other nights it would sleep - I have no idea why. It is conceivable that if the only polling your doing is e.g., Gmail, that either it doesn't happen at night, or it happens in such a way as to not knock the phone out of sleep (it IS Google's OS after all).
On a related note, I'm using K-9 mail (my primary mail is Yahoo); it throws wake-locks all the time (set to poll every 15 minutes), but they don't seem to impact battery life or take the device out of deep sleep which is why I suggested that case above.
One other item I like about JD is the ability to permission each and every app for wireless/network access; obviously mail, calendar, phone, etc. need it, but some apps simply don't, and I've been surprised when I set it to 'notify' and some random game pops up seeking network access. Looking for an update? who knows, but I lock 'em down anyway.
AC
pandamaja said:
These numbers sound like you have the radio off and don't turn your display on. Pretty amazing numbers otherwise. Would love to know the rom + kernal you're using
edit: I see the post above you mention viperrom. Typically if you have data turned off and display off any device will last days. My OG evo lasts for around 48 hours just sitting there. Still really impressive if you're using your phone within that 30 hours
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I do not turn off data/radio (no airplane mode).
I'm running ViperRom 2.2 with the latest loskernal experimental.
My display was on for roughly 2 hours (again, just used it as i happened to during the course of the day) and data was on.
Capp5050 said:
I've never tried the beta; I started with standard, upgraded to Premium, then eventually upgraded to Ultimate (I use the 'Customize' setting, but rarely the 'Advanced' config).
I hear ya on the night-time wi-fi thing. But with this particular phone (and before I rooted and changed ROM/Kernel), on some nights I would be connected to wi-fi and get ZERO CPU sleep time, other nights it would sleep - I have no idea why. It is conceivable that if the only polling your doing is e.g., Gmail, that either it doesn't happen at night, or it happens in such a way as to not knock the phone out of sleep (it IS Google's OS after all).
On a related note, I'm using K-9 mail (my primary mail is Yahoo); it throws wake-locks all the time (set to poll every 15 minutes), but they don't seem to impact battery life or take the device out of deep sleep which is why I suggested that case above.
One other item I like about JD is the ability to permission each and every app for wireless/network access; obviously mail, calendar, phone, etc. need it, but some apps simply don't, and I've been surprised when I set it to 'notify' and some random game pops up seeking network access. Looking for an update? who knows, but I lock 'em down anyway.
AC
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Interesting thing is with the latest JD build it has the bluetooth settings, so i can leave my headset paired, but the phone disconnects while not on a call and then when i get a call, it turns on... kinda cool.
In regards to the permissions... do i need to give the email applications permission for enable/screen off? (so that I'll still get the notifs?) or just enable (as in when screen on).
thanks,
RR

Battery Savings - WiFi Sleep Policy

Edit: Use at your own risk, it worked for me but people seem to be saying it's not true.
I figured I would share this tip because it worked so well for me. When I first got the Nexus and connected it to my WiFi, the battery was draining at an absurd rate, even at idle. I want to use WiFi because we don't have LTE out here, so turning it on and off was a pain. Then I remembered the Sleep Policy, and there it was set to keep the WiFi on, even during sleep. I'm assuming Verizon did this to help reduce congestion on their network and save them money. After changing this to "only when plugged in" my battery graph at idle flatlined.
Hopefully it will help someone else!
Steps:
1. Settings
2. Wifi
3. Menu -> Advanced
4. Keep WiFi on during sleep
5. Pick an option best for you. I chose Only when plugged in.
From what I have read, keep wifi on during sleep was always the most power efficient. Maybe you have a weak wifi signal?
I'd like to hear what other people have to say on this one.
That's definitely interesting to hear. I'm usually one floor away from my wireless-N router which yields 3 or 4 out of 4 bars consistently. I guess I'll have to see if this works for anyone else then.
This is wrong.
You should set it to Always.
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-101-save-battery-keeping-wifi-alive
Because initiating wifi connection every time you turn on your phone will consume more power.
compywiz said:
I figured I would share this tip because it worked so well for me. When I first got the Nexus and connected it to my WiFi, the battery was draining at an absurd rate, even at idle. I want to use WiFi because we don't have LTE out here, so turning it on and off was a pain. Then I remembered the Sleep Policy, and there it was set to keep the WiFi on, even during sleep. I'm assuming Verizon did this to help reduce congestion on their network and save them money. After changing this to "only when plugged in" my battery graph at idle flatlined.
Hopefully it will help someone else!
Steps:
1. Settings
2. Wifi
3. Menu -> Advanced
4. Keep WiFi on during sleep
5. Pick an option best for you. I chose Only when plugged in.
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Well it significantly reduced my idle battery use (like at night), so I'll put a warning at the top but I'll keep mine the same.
I guess you haven't turned on the mobile data cause if you do, then this consumes more power than wifi for sure.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
Generally, radio management on the Nexus sucks. I want a setting where if it's in standby, ALL RADIOS ARE OFF except for base phone and text messaging. So this helps a little.
Sure, it uses more power initially to turn whatever on, but no where near as much if you don't use your phone for hours, and don't constantly need to be in sync with everything (like when you're at a computer all day, and you can check your gmail, yahoo mail, have gchat and skype and whatever).
I'd even like a setting policy which only turns on data or wifi when you have an app open that uses them.
I may be using my "phone" (my wife said about her Stratosphere, "I forgot I could use this thing as a phone") differently than most people with smartphones. I need it to be my computer and social device when I'm away from a computer, and only when I take it out of my pocket and turn it on.
Wifi set to always on, while at home. Slept for 9 hours, went down from 100% to 94%
andy2na said:
Wifi set to always on, while at home. Slept for 9 hours, went down from 100% to 94%
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Same here, with WLAN on my Nexus Prime drops about 6% over night.
Interestingly I just lost about 10% in 2 hours with the phone in stand-by but then I remembered I had to change my IP ~7 times in this time frame which likely caused a lot of WLAN activity and used up quite some energy.

Battery - Wi-Fi and Awake always solid blue

So I've been trying to get more life out of my battery, I get decent now, but not the 18+ hours I've seen other people getting. I think the main problem here is, if I go view the Applications -> Battery Usage screen, the "Wi-Fi" and "Awake" bars are always full blue, even when the phone hasn't been touched in a couple hours.
Does anyone know what actually causes these to now sleep? Is it push email? Or some other setting I'm missing?
Thanks
RubenRybnik said:
So I've been trying to get more life out of my battery, I get decent now, but not the 18+ hours I've seen other people getting. I think the main problem here is, if I go view the Applications -> Battery Usage screen, the "Wi-Fi" and "Awake" bars are always full blue, even when the phone hasn't been touched in a couple hours.
Does anyone know what actually causes these to now sleep? Is it push email? Or some other setting I'm missing?
Thanks
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Look and find out you can start by turning off wifi if not using it post your screen shots of battery use someone may help
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RubenRybnik said:
So I've been trying to get more life out of my battery, I get decent now, but not the 18+ hours I've seen other people getting. I think the main problem here is, if I go view the Applications -> Battery Usage screen, the "Wi-Fi" and "Awake" bars are always full blue, even when the phone hasn't been touched in a couple hours.
Does anyone know what actually causes these to now sleep? Is it push email? Or some other setting I'm missing?
Thanks
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Try Menu/Settings/Wireless and Network/Wi-Fi Settings. Then press Menu/Advanced/Wi-Fi- sleep policy.
Play with those settings. You are probably set to "Never". Folks have actually been reporting better battery life with this setting (powering on and shutting down the wifi eats up battery) You can play around with it to get your own results.
Hit thanks if this helps!
pojieps said:
Try Menu/Settings/Wireless and Network/Wi-Fi Settings. Then press Menu/Advanced/Wi-Fi- sleep policy.
Play with those settings. You are probably set to "Never". Folks have actually been reporting better battery life with this setting (powering on and shutting down the wifi eats up battery) You can play around with it to get your own results.
Hit thanks if this helps!
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Ah...yes, it is set to never. So leaving it on "never" gets better results, say if you're at home and always have a wifi connection? Also, if the wi-fi is on, does that mean the device can't sleep I take it, that's what's keeping the device awake with screen off?
Thanks for the tip.
RubenRybnik said:
Ah...yes, it is set to never. So leaving it on "never" gets better results, say if you're at home and always have a wifi connection? Also, if the wi-fi is on, does that mean the device can't sleep I take it, that's what's keeping the device awake with screen off?
Thanks for the tip.
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I've heard both sides to this argument, and frankly I don't think most people understand why changing it does, or in other cases does not help.
I suspect that the answer to your issue isn't going to be found here. Here's the theory:
- Setting wifi policy to "Sleep - Never" results in better battery life for some; it's likely because these individuals have a fairly low 3g signal, which tends to draw more battery when periodic updates/synchronization occurs (e.g., gmail, calendar, facebook, etc.). By leaving wifi Sleep set to never, the wifi (which THEORETICALLY uses less power than 3g) can do the work instead.
- Setting wifi policy to "Sleep - When Screen is Off" can result in better battery life for a number of reasons, many of the underlying issues being hard to identify. For example, if your router tends to send a lot of 'noise' and wake up your phone, having wi-fi disabled will prevent this. Location services in the OS - which you've probably permitted to 'help locate you faster' - even when you are NOT connected to a wifi network - will periodically ping wireless networks around you to help facilitate faster geolocation. This uses battery as well.
But don't confuse the generalities that have spawned from people's anecdotal situations with what could be a very different problem.
Was your phone primarily located in one location during most of the 'awake' period? If so, then it was probably connected to the same router most of that time. If so, it really shouldn't matter what the setting was for Advanced Wifi - the phone should still sleep.
If you turn off wi-fi on the device, and the device then sleeps, then you've narrowed the issue some, but that is not a solution, because what are you going to do, not use wifi?
You've got to dig deeper; your issue may be any of the following - rogue app that keeps a wakelock, rogue app that updates too frequently, wifi modem issue, router issue, OS issue, etc.
In short, you need to figure out what's keeping the phone awake. Get CPU Spy and Better Battery Stats to help you get insight into what's keeping the device awake.
Capp5050 said:
I've heard both sides to this argument, and frankly I don't think most people understand why changing it does, or in other cases does not help.
I suspect that the answer to your issue isn't going to be found here. Here's the theory:
- Setting wifi policy to "Sleep - Never" results in better battery life for some; it's likely because these individuals have a fairly low 3g signal, which tends to draw more battery when periodic updates/synchronization occurs (e.g., gmail, calendar, facebook, etc.). By leaving wifi Sleep set to never, the wifi (which THEORETICALLY uses less power than 3g) can do the work instead.
- Setting wifi policy to "Sleep - When Screen is Off" can result in better battery life for a number of reasons, many of the underlying issues being hard to identify. For example, if your router tends to send a lot of 'noise' and wake up your phone, having wi-fi disabled will prevent this. Location services in the OS - which you've probably permitted to 'help locate you faster' - even when you are NOT connected to a wifi network - will periodically ping wireless networks around you to help facilitate faster geolocation. This uses battery as well.
But don't confuse the generalities that have spawned from people's anecdotal situations with what could be a very different problem.
Was your phone primarily located in one location during most of the 'awake' period? If so, then it was probably connected to the same router most of that time. If so, it really shouldn't matter what the setting was for Advanced Wifi - the phone should still sleep.
If you turn off wi-fi on the device, and the device then sleeps, then you've narrowed the issue some, but that is not a solution, because what are you going to do, not use wifi?
You've got to dig deeper; your issue may be any of the following - rogue app that keeps a wakelock, rogue app that updates too frequently, wifi modem issue, router issue, OS issue, etc.
In short, you need to figure out what's keeping the phone awake. Get CPU Spy and Better Battery Stats to help you get insight into what's keeping the device awake.
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Thank you for that very informative post. My phone was on my desk all day today( worked from home ) and wi-fi is set to always on, and it never slept, not even once.
I'll try disabling wi-fi( should have done this earlier to be honest and checked ) and then I'll download those apps, I just got Badass Battery Monitor, I'll check out the two you recommended as well. Thanks for the info!
Your phone should still go into deep sleep with wifi on. If it doesn't then you have something else wakelocking your phone. However, if wifi is set to never sleep, and wifi is enabled, the bar on the battery chart will always be solid blue.
So just installed CPU Spy, it looks like IM+ is the biggest user of wakelocks. I like to always be signed in to my accounts, but not at such a huge cost of battery, does anyone know of a better multi IM client that will push updates to you? I used to have IM+ on the iPhone( yea I know, just switched two months ago, and never looking back ) and the push on it worked great. The 'push' IM+ says it has is awful, most of the time I never get my IMs sent to me at all.
Also have skype signed on all the time, not sure if that is wakelock'ing anything, I'll have to keep an eye on it, it didn't show up on CPU Spy.
Try IMO, free from the Android Market. Its a multi-IM client that combines most common clients including Skype. I've used it. It creates some wakelocks, but not sufficient to wake the phone. I don't use IM very often so I'd be curious to hear how it works for you.
Capp5050 said:
Try IMO, free from the Android Market. Its a multi-IM client that combines most common clients including Skype. I've used it. It creates some wakelocks, but not sufficient to wake the phone. I don't use IM very often so I'd be curious to hear how it works for you.
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Thanks ... Giving it a try today, I'll let you know how it goes.
Capp5050 said:
Try IMO, free from the Android Market. Its a multi-IM client that combines most common clients including Skype. I've used it. It creates some wakelocks, but not sufficient to wake the phone. I don't use IM very often so I'd be curious to hear how it works for you.
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So been trying IMO the past couple days. Seems much better than IM+. Haven't seen any disconnects, I get my IMs about 30sec - 1min after the computer gets them, which is fine, and the wake-locking is extremely minimal. IM+ was awful with the wake-locking.
So that clears up the Always awake issue, flashed Blazer 3.8 last night, so can't comment on battery too much yet, also calibrating today.
RubenRybnik said:
So been trying IMO the past couple days. Seems much better than IM+. Haven't seen any disconnects, I get my IMs about 30sec - 1min after the computer gets them, which is fine, and the wake-locking is extremely minimal. IM+ was awful with the wake-locking.
So that clears up the Always awake issue, flashed Blazer 3.8 last night, so can't comment on battery too much yet, also calibrating today.
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Thanks for the feedback, glad to hear it helped, and I now feel a little more confident leaving my IM 'on' more often.

Question Why does my Pixel 6 Pro when idling uses more battery than my Nexus 5 when idling

I've recently upgraded to the Google Pixel 6 Pro after 8 years with the Google Nexus 5, so, this would be my first time with a "modern" smartphone as of present
Everything is wonderful except one thing, the battery life
When idling (I do not touch the phone at all, rarely or no lock/unlock) I watched my Pixel 6 Pro drained 6% in the span of 2 hours, so roughly 3% per hour (That is a lot!), compared to my Nexus 5 which feels like it drained 5% if left alone for the whole day
What is going on? is it a "modern" phone thing? is it my phone? my settings? at this rate, it needs to be charged daily
Here is the Battery Usage breakdown;
https://imgur.com/a/mgJsN7n
Battery Usage breakdown while asleep;
https://imgur.com/a/Mj3VDE3
Why does "Mobile Network Standby", "Ambient Display", "Phone Idle" eat so much battery while idling, I am thinking of getting rid of "Your Phone Companion" even though I find it useful, conflicted if it is worth the battery, everything else looks good
EDIT: I am happy to say, after uninstalling "Your Phone Companion" the battery began to show improvement and following all the battery tips helped me maximize it, now I feel like I can go 3 days with the phone without charging it
In one of the battery threads Mobile Network Standby is a big topic. It appears to be a bug that is impacting some people. I would expect a fix from goggle for that. I have nothing on ambient display.
It's highly possible your phone isn't ever going into a deep sleep, which can cause unnecessary battery drain from apps that are stuck running in the background, or causing the phone to "wake". Did you transfer over all your apps and settings from your old phone? Some have said this has caused unusual high battery drain, and a factory reset where you don't restore from backup has helped.
Install AccuBattery or GSam battery monitor to get an understanding of your battery usage in greater detail.
AccuBattery - Apps on Google Play
AccuBattery monitors battery health performance via science
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GSam Battery Monitor - Apps on Google Play
GSam Battery Monitor provides deep insights into what is using your battery.
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Thank you for the lead on the bug, and I will look into AccuBattery
I did not transfer from my old phone, I configured/installed from out of the box
At most, you should only lose .5 - 7%hr when idle, not 3. Something is definitely going on in the background that needs to be addressed.
Here's how mine looks.
minun said:
Thank you for the lead on the bug, and I will look into AccuBattery
I did not transfer from my old phone, I configured/installed from out of the box
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In addition to what everyone else said, many users have reported that it took several days or more for the phone to "settle down" and adaptive battery to make an impact, at which point their battery got much better. Also, I would expect a lot of bug fixes in the December update that may help.
Also using 4G instead of 5G (because of the modem previously mentioned may help, as well as turning off adaptive network connectivity, WiFi & Bluetooth scanning and anything AOD related or things such as lift to wake (if you don't use then).
RetroTech07 said:
At most, you should only lose .5 - 7%hr when idle, not 3. Something is definitely going on in the background that needs to be addressed.
Here's how mine looks.
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Thank you so much for this, it helps to compare
Lughnasadh said:
In addition to what everyone else said, many users have reported that it took several days or more for the phone to "settle down" and adaptive battery to make an impact, at which point their battery got much better. Also, I would expect a lot of bug fixes in the December update that may help.
Also using 4G instead of 5G (because of the modem previously mentioned may help, as well as turning off adaptive network connectivity, WiFi & Bluetooth scanning and anything AOD related or things such as lift to wake (if you don't use then).
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I had the phone since the 17th, I been configuring and setting it up for a week, I have only been using it normally for about half a week, which is why I am noticing the battery now
I believe I have LTE over 5G but could you run me through how to turn off 5G
Not sure about adaptive network connectivity or what it is
WiFi needs to be on
Bluetooth is always off
Would my location take a hit if I turn off scanning
Lift to wake is off
minun said:
I had the phone since the 17th, I been configuring and setting it up for a week, I have only been using it normally for about half a week, which is why I am noticing the battery now
I believe I have LTE over 5G but could you run me through how to turn off 5G
Not sure about adaptive network connectivity or what it is
WiFi needs to be on
Bluetooth is always off
Would my location take a hit if I turn off scanning
Lift to wake is off
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If you have LTE as preferred then you don't have to worry about turning off 5G. Preferred network type can be found in the Network & internet settings under your carrier settings.
Adaptive network connectivity is in the Network & internet settings at the very bottom.
I wasn't talking about turning WiFi & Bluetooth off, but rather turning off WiFi & Bluetooth scanning, which can be found in Settings>Location>Location Services. And no, your location would not take a hit.
Also remember that when comparing your idle drain to others that you don't necessarily have the same apps running in the background as they do, the same settings, same amount of notifications going off, etc. My personal opinion is that anything under 1%/hr is acceptable. I have seen a wide range of idle drain percentages among 6 Pro users. My current idle drain measured over 3 1/2 days is .78%/hr with deep sleep around 85%.
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If you have LTE as preferred then you don't have to worry about turning off 5G. Preferred network type can be found in the Network & internet settings under your carrier settings.
Adaptive network connectivity is in the Network & internet settings at the very bottom.
I wasn't talking about turning WiFi & Bluetooth off, but rather turning off WiFi & Bluetooth scanning, which can be found in Settings>Location>Location Services. And no, your location would not take a hit.
Also remember that when comparing your idle drain to others that you don't necessarily have the same apps running in the background as they do, the same settings, same amount of notifications going off, etc. My personal opinion is that anything under 1%/hr is acceptable. I have seen a wide range of idle drain percentages among 6 Pro users. My current idle drain measured over 3 1/2 days is .78%/hr with deep sleep around 85%.
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I would also like to get to that level
the crazy thing is my phone barely has anything going on except for the system and your phone app
what would be used for my location if i turned off my wifi and bluetooth scanning at home, my data?
minun said:
I would also like to get to that level
the crazy thing is my phone barely has anything going on except for the system and your phone app
what would be used for my location if i turned off my wifi and bluetooth scanning at home, my data?
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When WiFi & Bluetooth scanning our on, your phone is constantly looking for Bluetooth devices near you that you may want to connect to or WiFi networks to connect to. It's really only useful if you're out and about and want to connect to such services. Turning it off doesn't disable your location. As long as your location setting is on, your phone will know where it is at.
Yeah, I would uninstall that Your Phone Companion app. It certainly is using a lot of battery in the background. But it's a trade off...if you really like it and find it useful than you may just have to take the battery hit (as with any app really).
Also, I notice the stock kernel has a couple of kernel wakelocks that are keeping the phone awake to a certain extent (at least for me). Using a custom kernel can help but that's a whole other conversation.
I really think after the December update and after more app developers have optimized their apps for Android 12 we will get a better idea of how the battery really is on this phone.
Lughnasadh said:
When WiFi & Bluetooth scanning our on, your phone is constantly looking for Bluetooth devices near you that you may want to connect to or WiFi networks to connect to. It's really only useful if you're out and about and want to connect to such services. Turning it off doesn't disable your location. As long as your location setting is on, your phone will know where it is at.
Yeah, I would uninstall that Your Phone Companion app. It certainly is using a lot of battery in the background. But it's a trade off...if you really like it and find it useful than you may just have to take the battery hit (as with any app really).
Also, I notice the stock kernel has a couple of kernel wakelocks that are keeping the phone awake to a certain extent (at least for me). Using a custom kernel can help but that's a whole other conversation.
I really think after the December update and after more app developers have optimized their apps for Android 12 we will get a better idea of how the battery really is on this phone.
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Okay, sounds great
just for my knowledge, if I turn off scanning, would it not detect any new bluetooth device or wi-fi unless I turn it on? it will still connect to devices/signals it knows?
minun said:
Okay, sounds great
just for my knowledge, if I turn off scanning, would it not detect any new bluetooth device or wi-fi unless I turn it on? it will still connect to devices/signals it knows?
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If scanning is off it won't constantly try to see if their is a Bluetooth device or WiFi connection nearby, but yes it will still connect to the devices/networks it knows. And if you want to connect to a new device or network you can just go into that setting (Bluetooth or Network) and it will scan automatically once you open up that setting or choose to add a new device, etc.
minun said:
I believe I have LTE over 5G but could you run me through how to turn off 5G
Not sure about adaptive network connectivity or what it is
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Go into settings > network and internet > sims > preferred network type.
If that option is missing, you can manually change it under phone settings by opening up the phone app, then punching in the following: *#*#4636#*#*. From the new screen that presents itself, select phone information. Then, you'll have an option to select your network type. Select LTE.
Adaptive connectivity can "help" extend battery life, according to Google by managing network connections,
Adaptive connectivity should keep you on 4G for low usage tasks... Reddit, chat, etc. When your phone demands more bandwidth, it switches to 5G (Netflix, streaming, etc.), but users have said if you're in an area with spotty 5G or none at all, switching to LTE only (given the instructions above) will help reduce battery drain.
Go into settings > network and internet > adaptive connectivity > off.
Lughnasadh said:
If scanning is off it won't constantly try to see if their is a Bluetooth device or WiFi connection nearby...
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Funny enough, I have wifi scanning off but still get notifications about nearby connections lol
RetroTech07 said:
Funny enough, I have wifi scanning off but still get notifications about nearby connections lol
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Oh, there's also a setting in Network preferences for "Notify for public networks". Maybe that needs to be disabled as well (I have it disabled)??? Otherwise, huh, weird, lol.
Lughnasadh said:
Oh, there's also a setting in Network preferences for "Notify for public networks". Maybe that needs to be disabled as well (I have it disabled)??? Otherwise, huh, weird, lol.
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That's it! Just turned it off, I must've forgotten about that one lol. Thanks
RetroTech07 said:
Go into settings > network and internet > sims > preferred network type.
If that option is missing, you can manually change it under phone settings by opening up the phone app, then punching in the following: *#*#4636#*#*. From the new screen that presents itself, select phone information. Then, you'll have an option to select your network type. Select LTE.
Adaptive connectivity can "help" extend battery life, according to Google by managing network connections,
Adaptive connectivity should keep you on 4G for low usage tasks... Reddit, chat, etc. When your phone demands more bandwidth, it switches to 5G (Netflix, streaming, etc.), but users have said if you're in an area with spotty 5G or none at all, switching to LTE only (given the instructions above) will help reduce battery drain.
Go into settings > network and internet > adaptive connectivity > off.
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If I turn off Adaptive Connectivity, it would just stay on LTE and won't switch between 5g (setLTE is my preferred network),3g,2g?
how about "Allow 2G", do I need this on and would turning it off save battery? it read
'Use 2G mobile connections. For emergency calls, 2G is always turned on.'
Lughnasadh said:
In addition to what everyone else said, many users have reported that it took several days or more for the phone to "settle down" and adaptive battery to make an impact, at which point their battery got much better. Also, I would expect a lot of bug fixes in the December update that may help.
Also using 4G instead of 5G (because of the modem previously mentioned may help, as well as turning off adaptive network connectivity, WiFi & Bluetooth scanning and anything AOD related or things such as lift to wake (if you don't use then).
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Isn't the point of adaptive connectivity to keep the phone on 4G unless 5G is absolutely necessary?
MrBelter said:
Isn't the point of adaptive connectivity to keep the phone on 4G unless 5G is absolutely necessary?
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No, that's not how adaptive connectivity works. Your phone will always prefer the highest tier network available (as long it get's a signal).

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