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Have you ever given Swype a whirl? I wasn't a fan of virtual keyboards either until I started using Swype. It came stock with my G2, would it come with the G2X too?
I have a G2 and love it, but I wish it didn't come with the keyboard, it adds a lot of bulk. If you could stand it, I'd say wait.
G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
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Nospin said:
G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
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Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.
i do know that g2x does come with swype preinstalled.
could i try out a g2, and if i dont like it, go to a g2x? and vice versa?
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Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.
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LG was underwhelming because they were mainly in the budget game before. Also, their software skills are at the script kiddie level. Unless you REALLY need a keyboard then I would say G2X or Optimus 3D. That extra screen real estate makes more of a difference than you would think.
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meh, i dont care about screen real estate either. besides, lgs skin is going to be taken off, g2x is mostly stock, besides the obvious bloatware planted by tmobile.
if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means
G2X looks hella ugly. My vote goes to the G2.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means
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i dunno about that, but according to this video it is running stock. which the G series is known for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXBSu_1jUkg&feature=channel_video_title
Anyways i'd definitly go with the g2x or one of the upcomming 3d phones vs getting a G2 right now which i currently have. i also came from a G1 and im tellin ya, the keyboards not that important anymore. sometimes i feel slower flipping it and actually typing it then just a few taps or swipes, i dont have much to say while texting. and i dont email much from it. with 4" screen im sure the screens accuracy would do justice. The hardware should more than make up for most of what dev's usually work on. I already feel that way about the g2. In the G1 it's exciting because it can get so much improvement, you feel like your actually turning a piece of **** into a chocolate bar (just a metaphor i love the G1), while the G2 you already feel like your just turning your chocolate bar into a different brand, or your adding nuts. So why not just buy the richest chocolate it has the potential to taste the best. Just my 2 cents, you might think totally different or use your phone different.
I like my G2 but If I were buying now I'd probably get the G2X.
The G2 keyboard isn't that great (compared to the G1 keyboard anyways), thanks to that and the awesomeness of Swype I rarely use the physical keyboard.
Dual Core will give the G2X more life, it will still perform well 2 years from now on whatever version of Android is out then, the G2 may be getting pretty winded by this point.
It's true that right now LG phones haven't seen the developer support that HTC phones have, but I expect the newer, higher end Android phones will attract some attention and HTC's increasingly more restrictive security measures will curb developer interest there. Of course this is 90% speculation at this point.
Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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eunkipark92 said:
Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.
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if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG
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And why is that?
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There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.
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That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.
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T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.
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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.
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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
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AT&T has already said that the main reason they are buying TMO is so they can use the wireless spectrum TMO currently uses for 3G and "4G" for their LTE buildout. Sure the customers are nice and AT&T will indeed make some efforts to keep those customers (churn is expensive) but I'm sure that unifying the brand will be a higher priority.
The G series isn't really notable apart from the G1 being the first Android phone to market. As for the MyTouch "brand", that one has always been a head scratcher is to it's reason to exist. I'll be nothing short of amazed it it continues post merger. I would not be surprised to see existing MyTouch devices receive token rebranding immediately following the merger close to kill off the MyTouch brand quickly.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.
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Never said they would dump the iPhone, what I meant was that hopefully they will feel less compelled to intentionally cripple their android offerings as they have done in the past.
I haven't seen any information regarding a NFC chip in the Sensation. Does anyone know anything one way or another? I had wanted NFC before yesterday and after watching the Google I/O videos about the NFC capabilities that they are building into Ice Cream Sandwich, my thoughts are strengthening. That being said, I have been waiting for the Sensation for months, but without NFC, I am not as sure any more. Am I the only one who feels this way?
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I haven't seen any information regarding a NFC chip in the Sensation. Does anyone know anything one way or another? I had wanted NFC before yesterday and after watching the Google I/O videos about the NFC capabilities that they are building into Ice Cream Sandwich, my thoughts are strengthening. That being said, I have been waiting for the Sensation for months, but without NFC, I am not as sure any more. Am I the only one who feels this way?
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I heard a while back there is research into creating separate NFC modules that you can stick inside the case of the phone, but I don't know any more than that or how it'd connect.
I'll start caring about NFC when that technology will see wide implementation. By then, I'm sure it'll be time to upgrade my phone anyway. NFC is about as important to me as the resolution of the front-facing camera. I've used the FFC on my MT4G about 3-4 times, just for novelty purposes. I'm well aware that many others feel otherwise, but it's a completely useless feature to me.
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I haven't seen any information regarding a NFC chip in the Sensation. Does anyone know anything one way or another? I had wanted NFC before yesterday and after watching the Google I/O videos about the NFC capabilities that they are building into Ice Cream Sandwich, my thoughts are strengthening. That being said, I have been waiting for the Sensation for months, but without NFC, I am not as sure any more. Am I the only one who feels this way?
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While I would like the sensation to have NFC capabilities I am not overly concerned. I don't think the infrastructure for it will be fully deployed within the next 2 years. By that time I will most likely get another phone which should have NFC if it works out as well as planned. This does however depends on location, pretty sure certain places will get it before others.
This is the latest information I have seen regarding HTC's NFC plans.
"HTC’s latest flagship Smartphone HTC Sensation yet to be reach it’s potential customer, a sales manager from HTC confirmed HTC planning to bring NFC-capable high-end smartphone to market in the 3rd quarter of 2011 which would be the successor of HTC Sensation."
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While I agree that using NFC for purchases is a long way off, it looks like Google has big plans for it in other ways with Ice Cream Sandwhich. Kind of like an enhanced "Bump", sharing content, contacts, applications, etc. plus they will have API's and are encouraging application developers to use the functionality. I tend to wait my full two years between phones, and with this functionality coming out by winter, a part of me feels that it might be worth the wait.
What's the clamour for NFC? I have 2 NFC "devices" both of which are credit card size and shape. It not like current NFC devices are going to add a load of bulk to what you carry around!
To answer the OP's question, no the Sensation does not have NFC. An HTC insider has already made it known that a device slightly superior to the Sensation is coming later in the year with NFC.
I agree with kgbkny, once there's a decent use for it, I'll get a device that has NFC. I don't even know if I'll get much milage out of the Sensation's FFC .
Well Nfc not important I live in the USA lol haven't even see anything Nfc capable here. So I really don't care about it. Even when we do get it I probably will never use it.
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NFC is kinda fail in the US so far. i haven't seen much. Don't tell me about how if phones start having it, it will sprout up everywhere. MAYBE. These tech trends will take a long time to come into fashion in the backwardsass US. That's why I don't really care.
To me, until some giant force (usually Apple) starts embracing it, we won't see it for a while. Android's too fragmented and until devices across the board start featuring it, I see this like the LED Flash. LED flash phones have been out since 2004. How long did it take to really reach the US and become a standard? WAY TOO LONG.
Has this been confirmed or is it only a rumor that the Epic Touch will not have NFC?
If no NFC, it's a deal breaker - not buying. 2 years without a new technology with a lot of promise is too long.
If it does have, definitely buying.
No NFC support...sorry , I don't know why you would make it a deciding factor considering there is very very very little support for NFC so far.
Korey_Nicholson said:
No NFC support...sorry , I don't know why you would make it a deciding factor considering there is very very very little support for NFC so far.
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Preferences I suppose. I'm getting the E4GT regardless of NFC because, like you said, the NFC support is very little so far. I haven't seen or even heard of anyone I know that even used it. When the technology become more widespread then it'll be a game-changer.
Note: It also doesn't have WiDi technology in it either.
NFC will be more widespread in about 2 years, right in time for an upgrade
Here's what I'm going to say about this: I'm still waiting for confirmation from our samsung rep regarding a question I asked her the other day. (I work as a tech at a corporate store).
What should be known: the "confirmation" that the epic 4g touch lacks NFC support is derived from the fact that there were no NFC related system processes running in the background when a couple of curious previewers decided to take a peek. As far as I know and from everything I've read, there still hasn't been a claim made, nor evidence of, that the Epic 4g touch is actually lacking the hardware for it.
So I asked her point blank and she didn't know the answer: is the phone actually lacking the hardware for NFC or is the software to run it simply not included (yet)? I'm waiting for a reply, so stay tuned. Also, by tomorrow, I'll definitely be taking one apart for practice, and I'll do a little microchip research to see what I can find on my own.
EDIT: also, read my words carefully. I said "as far as I know", meaning that there may have been a post somewhere that I never read that shows proof of lack-of-hardware, so if there is, I'm sorry, but please post it here
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Here's what I'm going to say about this: I'm still waiting for confirmation from our samsung rep regarding a question I asked her the other day. (I work as a tech at a corporate store).
What should be known: the "confirmation" that the epic 4g touch lacks NFC support is derived from the fact that there were no NFC related system processes running in the background when a couple of curious previewers decided to take a peek. As far as I know and from everything I've read, there still hasn't been a claim made, nor evidence of, that the Epic 4g touch is actually lacking the hardware for it.
So I asked her point blank and she didn't know the answer: is the phone actually lacking the hardware for NFC or is the software to run it simply not included (yet)? I'm waiting for a reply, so stay tuned. Also, by tomorrow, I'll definitely be taking one apart for practice, and I'll do a little microchip research to see what I can find on my own.
EDIT: also, read my words carefully. I said "as far as I know", meaning that there may have been a post somewhere that I never read that shows proof of lack-of-hardware, so if there is, I'm sorry, but please post it here
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there is no nfc hardware.
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im not concerned about NFC. If and when the technology becomes more widespread, then ill think about getting something else
I know there's not much use for it yet, but I think it'll start to take off late this year early next year. I'd rather wait a few months for e.g. the Nexus Prime or whatever, though my old school Moment is really sucking these days.
It just seems silly they omitted it when it's included on the same phone on other carriers. I was hoping it was something like the poster above stated, and it's just not software enabled yet or something.
I'd like a Windows 7 phone actually, but those suffer same issue. I guess I'll just wait a few more months and see what shakes out.
So I am sure I am not the only person who has (or had) a Vibrant. I am sure the development that is being done on the SGS2 is quality, but there isn't much in the way of quantity (which doesn't always mean much). Am I justified at all in worrying about all this? Does everyone feel satisfied with the amount of development going on for what is still a relatively new phone?
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
I am trying to tell myself that with ICS I can hang onto my Vibrant a bit longer to wait for more options and such, but I want a new phone so bad, and right now the only obvious phone I can pick up easily is the GS2. I am just hesitant after the fiasco with the Vibrant. It's also been so long that it seems like I could wait it out just a tiny bit longer and get the next gen stuff.
(I know the argument about how you can always wait longer, but it has been months since the GS2 landed in the US and it will probably be a month before I am ready to buy a new phone with the holiday season upon us)
Unless you are willing to buy a Euro version of the Nexus outright, you'll be waiting atleast several months for it to be released by tmo. Not to mention if it comes spec'd the same as the vzw version, you won't have expandable memory. Cyanogen is actively devving for this phone and once we get ICS, I think it will be very competitive with the GN.
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What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
No it can't be changed. You can mess with the density to make it look HD but I don't notice anything "low" about our resolution as it is. I love this phone.
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It is by no means low resolution.
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What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
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all the HD games tittle you see advertized are for our current resolution 480x800
480x800 has been considered HD for the longest time, for the past 3 years. it is a standard that all game developer codes for
if you read over the Galaxy Nexus forum the 720 resolution is causing havok on a lot of apps and games...
so go figure
on a side note, here some food for thoughts
DVD quality = 480x800
Blueray 1.0 quality = 720x1280
Blueray 2.0 quality = 1280x1080
degeneration said:
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
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read this while you are still considering it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362556
also there's an existing topic about SGN vs SGS2 T989 right here in the forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372420
Galaxy nexus will be released in 3 days. I'm also tempted in using buyers remorse for the nexus. The sgs2 hardware is better IMHO. We'll be getting ics. Early 2012 we just gotta wait for a driver leak.
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well in Canada the GN is going to be released tomorrow http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19918706
but i'm not crazy enough to go line up for the first day of launch
specially when i'm not even in the mood to get that bug ridden phone, perhaps when they add microSD and a Quad core SOC to it, i'll probably go for it
To me it came down to cost. I had been waiting to upgrade my vibrant to the nexus prime forever. But word is that the nexus prime will cost $299 with full discount which means not only will I have to pay more per month to switch to verizon (currently paying $50 a month for unlimited with no contract), I would also have to pay more out of pocket for the initial device purchase (Ended up getting my GS2 for $380 new in box still no contract from craigslist)
That finally pushed me to go ahead and get a GS2.
I am still very concerned about ICS support. I also felt like the vibrant got screwed on gingerbread (GPS, bluetooth, and camera still suck on GB roms) so I am extremely worried about how ICS will end up. But I am fairly confident that ICS will eventually be released for the device officially (it will be later than they claim)
Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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Thanks, but someone else mentioned the screen, not me. I am not worried about the screen, it would have the same resolution as my current phone so I wouldn't know the difference.
Any way, you may have understood this but it was ambiguous: Yes I know the hardware specs are nice (I believe I stated that they were potentially better) but more people would have the exact same GN as opposed to people with the exact same SGS2. It might not matter though, I have no developing experience (I considered it, but I barely passed my Java course 6 years ago) so I might be wrong in thinking that it will be hard to work with stuff for the international one and put it on the tmobile version. I mean it might be simple if it's just drivers since qualcomm drivers would not be hard to find.
Furthermore, I am already being spoiled with ICS and just want it now.
The thing is, the reason I ask here instead of in the GN forum is that I really want to want the SGS2 (well, and people here have looked as the GN where as people there might have never looked at -specifically- the tmobile sgs2). I am actually likely to walk into a tmobile store and walk out with a phone over the winter break, and I don't think I would be able to help myself if there was a stable ICS rom by then.
BUT the fact that Nexuses last so long makes me wonder if I will be whimpering about how I could have got one and didn't, then again the next nexus will be starting to solidify by then.
Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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As device screen resolution goes up, achieving a 60fps UI is closely related to GPU speed and especially the GPU’s memory bus bandwidth. In fact, if you want to get an idea of the performance of a piece of hardware, always pay close attention to the memory bus bandwidth. There are plenty of times where the CPU (especially with those wonderful NEON instructions) can go a lot faster than the memory bus.
in that scenario i see more benefit to have 800x480 than the newer higher resolutions
i can understand your feeling completely
It would seem like everybody is either dodging or are too wrapped around the Euro-GS2 to answer your question...i myself have been wondering if there is going to be more custom roms, kernels & etc...i've heard that team whiskey & CM should be cooking roms real soon for the t-mobile galaxy s2. I do believe all this waiting is related to the qualcomm chip in the phone versus the exynos processor in all the other gs2 variants...I just hope this isn't gonna be like theyre doing just bc they don't wanna leave the t-mobile one out of development...but if you do test out the galaxy nexus and like it then go with it, one thing is true about those nexus phones, they are always the first to get those updates...it really comes down to what you want to do, wait a little bit for more roms or etc.
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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You have reservations strong enough that I would say dont get the SGSII, you wont be fully happy. Based on what you said, you should buy the unlocked galaxy nexus they are selling now ($800), or wait for the verizon version. You may regret not getting the SGSII, but I would hardly think that the Nexus would be significantly worse. If anything you would just regret paying more for a similar phone.
agree re: getting SGN instead of SGS2
specially when the OP did mention the lack of SD card is not a biggie
for me the lack of SD card was a major deal breaker, so the T989 was my only choice of good phone for AWS 1700+2100 networks
I have to say I am in shock and awe, considering Motorola's "sharing" nature in the past. But, then again, Google did just recently purchase the giant didn't they. Well, if you are wondering what I am reeling about, check out the latest update of the Android SDK... and take a gander at all the SDKs released for pretty much every current Motorola device. Well, this will mean those phone's will receive some fine-tuned development for applications. And although I haven't cared for the gentle giant much since the late 90's, I do have to say bravo... nice to see you turn over a new leaf. And, I'm going to go out on a limb here.... (given the aforementioned purchase) I kind of wonder what the Google Development devices of the future might look like... and who might manufacture them ::shrug:: I suppose it's the way the cookie crumbles.
I do not own a single Motorola device (though I pondered the Xoom for a bit)... Just thought I'd blog in the general section about a totally unrelated manufacturer.
Oh, since I am duty-bound to mention it, I only own HTC phones (I think six), but the evidence in front of my eyes... well, I might have to spread myself out next purchase.
Since I should keep this Wildfire-centric, I will conclude this lil blog with a general question you guys can all bat around...
What do you think of another Wildfire device (HTC Golf rumored to be HTC Wildfire C releasing with ics)?
Thoughts, opinions, etc all welcome... damn already a thread on that...
Uhhh well, I am looking forward to modpunk's ics.. everyone go hit his thanks button... and I'm pulling my Tmo wfs back out; so, I can take a gander... Looking forward to this... who would of thunk it four months ago? but Qualcomm updates their drivers and you got a dedicated dev working on it non-stop (this is why you should thank him).. Nice to see our lil 600 Mhz devices oc'd and running ics.. what a hoot.
This is my first HTC and android phone and it will be my last. It turned out not to be the disappointment that it could be but only thanks to modpunk's effort and the other devs.
I don't agree with HTC's policy that if you want an update buy an updated device. Just look at the google nexus s phone or any other google phone, it's constantly being updated and the support for the device is incredible.
My next device will be made by samsung or motorola and would definitely have at least 4.0 inch hdpi screen and some decent internal storage.
I haven't really made up my mind yet...
Although I love the Wildfire s for beeing such a compact device I guess I wouldn't be interested in staying in the same smartphone league forever. Therefore the HTC Golf in my eyes wouldn't really be a considerable step forward.
When I saw the recent release of the One X with the built-in quadcore processor and 32GB internal memory space at first that seemed to be the way to go for me but then when I saw the results of the benchmark test where the One S did even better whilst only using a dualcore processor I kind of started to doubt wether this is really gonna be the next device to replace my current Wildfire S... =/
I absolutely love the sense user interface, but probably waiting for the next Nexus Jellybean device could be a smart move even if the odds are that'll probably be a Motorola device then...
I guess the current android version is just not yet prepaired for an efficient use of quadcore processors. Hopefully the next one will fix this.
So even if HTC has plans to roll out a jellybean update for the One series in the future I still guess that going for a Nexus device might shorten the stock firmware updating time for quite a while...
Still there's so much about HTC and the One Series that makes me drool...
All you get from a nice custom rom is speed and battery drain, plus nice gui customization, nothing else. If I were to buy another smartphone I would choose the sensation not xl or xe cause all devs have it and there are hundreds of roms to choose from plus everyday it is always updated. Also it's thin and looks like a phone that doesnt get old on the looks of it. I wouldnt buy a thick phone thats to heavy in the pocket.
Wildfire S, as is the entire Wildfire family, is an economy smartphone. Its been nice to see what can be eeked out of a (lower end) smartphone though.
Galaxy Nexus IS Google's current development device, of course it will get updates first.
Like the Sensation...
I also looked at the dual-touchscreen api (from the Kyocera Echo)... I have to imagine that would be A+ top notch for game emulators (like DS roms and such).
All kind of interesting development going on though (at all times). Anyone tried that Google Drive yet?
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My Wildfire S was just a constant annoyance until I found Simon's thread and upgraded to Sense 3.5. I can't imagine any company/vendor putting out an "economy" phone with so much crap on it. It was like being in a candy store but only being allowed to buy stuff with a dime.
A note on pulling back out my tmo wfs...
I really am a tightwad. But Walmart in conjunction with tmo has a plan...
$30/mo; first 5 gig at 4g speed, unlimited data and msgs, but only 100 calling mins...
Considering I was on the cheapest I could find VM USA:
$35/mo; first 2.5 gig at their fastest 3g speed, unlimied data and msgs, and 300 calling mins.
Now, take calling mins out of the equation by getting some kinda SIP apk, setting up free Google Voice acct and Tele number (incoming calls), setting up a free pbxes.org (router and outgoing calls) and boom.. Tmo the cheapest kid by comparison (and you get all the mins your data will allow... 1500 mins+ easily).
Only found one other service cheaper.. Republic Wireless at $19/mo but you have to buy their modded Optimus S (don't know how I feel about having to have a not-so-well-known company's ROM that strips back functionality of device (by some accounts; ie audio, dsp, etc especially) but its a similar logic to SIPs... It in effect forces WiFi, whenever possible, then routes everything (calls, texts,etc) over IP. I do like their headquartered in Cary, NC which is somewhat close to me and their IP way of doing things... But I like to mod roms and I haven't seen a RUU for their build.
If I could buy a generic Optimus S (Sprint), they hand me the RUU, and whatever cdma workshop tweaks I might need to make, I'd give it a go... but otherwise, its a LG device, and I still only own HTC at present.
Rob
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