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Camera Upgrade

I believe that I have read somwhere in this forum that there is a update/upgrade for the camera on blue angel which helps get clearer pics. I have done a search but can not find it. My actual version is2.21 Build 17084.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ERK_Patches_13x

So anybody tested them?
Does it make any difference..........i mean, there is from the starting point not so much to expect from a vga camera :?
I currently have 2.21 17084

Thanks for your quick reply! I just don't understand what this means:
"Note this is a higher build than but lower version than"
Which one is the latest/better version. Which one should I get for my blue angel, Fix_camera18157.sa.cab or Camera patch 10080401? I have camera version 2.21 build17084?
Do I just install the cab from the blue angel?

Lio said:
"Note this is a higher build than but lower version than"
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I suppose it should have said
"Note this is a higher Version than the one above, but a lower build"
And yes, .cab files are just copied to the PPC and executet for installation. Note that the .cab file will delete itself on installation

Thank you! It did help quiet a bit. The pictures are sharper now

Xda II
hey guys.....
is there something like this for xda II as well ?
regards
jeetz

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Thank you! It did help quiet a bit. The pictures are sharper now
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so which cab file you did you get?

I just tested them both.
Now this is a mini test on only a few pics. in bad light, and a minimal difference on the pictures, but i found the 2.11 (Build 18157) to be just a ini mini little bit better, but in no way the same quality as you se on screen.
Anybody got an explanation on why its much better on screen (just with the camera active) than the actual picture that comes out of it??
For me it seems quite unlogical that the lens can capture a much better quality to put on the screen, but ones you take the picture the quality is much whorse.
How does this makes sence?

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I got this cab file: Camera patch 10080401
Anybody got an explanation on why its much better on screen (just with the camera active) than the actual picture that comes out of it??
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Maybe it's to do with the encoding?

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Maybe it's to do with the encoding?
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Yep, but why the h... not fiks it so it uses the lens full capasati.
Im beginning to get a bit frustrated over using so much money on a device thats not even finished.
I gotta say, that if SonyEricsson comes with a new P900 type of device thats more like the BA, i will consider turning back to Symbian.
Symbian has its own troubbles, but they are very productive when it comes to updates and getting things fixed, which definantly is not the case with HTC/Microsoft and probbably the 5000 companies they outsource to

Well I went form the P900 to the MDAIII, only since I got it free.
The P900 is a VERY nice phone, its small gives you addresses in and not just phone numbers, has a lot of good apps and when I go out I still use it due to the size.
The MDAIII, well its a PPC, and thanks to this forum you can infact fix a few of the issues like the language. Its far form perfect but its one hell of a toy if you want to waste time palying with it and trying to work out how to make it better.
I think it all about maket share, what is the point of having a PDA as a phone with a 5meg camera all in one unit if you can sell all three.
The technolagy is around, look at the Sony cameras. Shame but what can we do as the differences between men and boys remains the price of their toys.

Ha ha ha, I know MDAIIIUser........
It's just that I use it also as a tool in my business.
I have a lot of tools, and if one of them don't work as it's suppose to, it's just right back in their the next second.
I get no mercy when I'm out on a job, everyone don't get any mercy when they are on a job. If it's not finished........Well you simply just don't get the money. If it's not made by the regulations, you get a ticket to the court room, and don't expect it to anything else for you than cost a hell of a lot of money.
So you see, it's bugs me quite a bit that i buy a device at this price that’s not finished. There are major software troubles on it, making the phone part useless from time to time.
It's sold as BT compatible, what BT compatibility are they talking about??? Everyone is having trouble with it no matter what headset they are connecting to.
It don’t even have the most basic function found in every single phone sold world wide, a button lock that actually locks the device. I was sure that it was something I missed, just couldn’t believe that it weren’t in there.
And I don’t care if this is a PDA/Phone and not a Phone/PDA, they can’t be that thick in their heads that they don’t see this.
The hardware is bad, it’s getting more and more loose every day, the sliding keyboard is soon to become an auto sliding keyboard. Just hold it vertical and it will slide down all by itself.
I had the whole outer case replaced because the stylus was sliding out by itself. Now about 3 weeks later it’s so loose that it in the next week or so will be completely loose again. Then it’s in to service once again, me not having my tool which I spend a good amount of money on software for business use. Back to paper and then by hand doing the job in the office.
Now I’m guessing that this will happen again, that being the 3’rd time. Then it’s a full refund by law, and if the software isn’t ready at that time, I will claim a full refund or else ill just hand it over to my attorney. Buy a laptop for the car, a P900 again and then the irritation is over, and I can work in peace and quite.
The screen occasionally makes a high frequent sound when I’m talking in it, making it quite difficult to concentrate on the conversation. Unfortunately they didn’t have any new screens on stock when it was repaired the last time……….
I had absolutely no hopes for the camera when I got it, as I said earlier, what’s to expect of a VGA camera, and I don’t care, even though it would be nice to actually have one that could produce something just a little bit useful.
If I where the IT responsible person in a big company, I certainly wouldn’t recommend the boss to get 50 of these, the work load and support needed is simply just too much.
And all that said, ill properly end up with the MDA IV anyway *LOL* , what an idiot

Hum!!! Got out of bed on the wrong side or did wify have a headache??
Ok I admit the hardware is crap, my keyboard is auto eject at the momnet and the only thing I am REALY happy about is the fact that it has a metel case as I have dropped it (or was it threw it on the floor). My 5 yearl old girl has better developed teath than the BT on this thing. Yellow is a nice color if you realy like it but maybe not on a high depth screen. Don't even let me go down the rest, I will sound like you.
All I can hope for is the MDA 4 and that I get that one free as well. If its only to update wiki. Grin.
Thanks for your post put a big grin on my face.
Once there was a book "101 uses for a dead cat". Maybe we should start a thread for the BlueAngel:
101 uses for a dead BlueAngle
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and hope that NOBODY postes the paper wheight idea.

Well let’s not take it all out on the phone.
I think it would be more fair to get that book out with the title “101 uses for a BA owners head”.
It’s going to be the worlds most paperless book ever sold :lol:
Well maybe we could get some highly respected brain schrinks expert opinion in there, then it at least would have one page, “I simply do not now”

Should i switch?

Right now i have a Blackberry Bold (9000) & i have had WM phones in the past...I have been looking at the new Tilt it i like the phone but i wanted to know a few things before i get it.
1. Will it be able to use the new WM7?
2. Is the phone any good when it comes to texting & emails?
3. What are the key features to this phone?
I have also saw that you can put Android on the phone. How does that run?
Sorry i just wanted to know a few things before jumping into the phone.
Thanks!

1. From what I've read, it will not be able to upgrade to Windows Mobile 7, but from what we've seen why would you want it anyway.
2. The keyboard is the best out there. Text and email is a breeze.
3. Best user community out there. Phone can do anything I need it to and if it can't someone will build something to enable it (Android for one)
4. Android is out there. I run it on my phone, but it is in it's infancy. check out rhodium android in the wiki to find what's working and what isn't.
I'm not an expert, just a regular guy that uses my phone for regular stuff. Good luck with your phone decision. Hope I was of some help.

jdotbakes said:
1. From what I've read, it will not be able to upgrade to Windows Mobile 7, but from what we've seen why would you want it anyway.
2. The keyboard is the best out there. Text and email is a breeze.
3. Best user community out there. Phone can do anything I need it to and if it can't someone will build something to enable it (Android for one)
4. Android is out there. I run it on my phone, but it is in it's infancy. check out rhodium android in the wiki to find what's working and what isn't.
I'm not an expert, just a regular guy that uses my phone for regular stuff. Good luck with your phone decision. Hope I was of some help.
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Thanks alot for the feedback.
I think i will be going back to a WM phone... I have one more question i forgot to ask...???
1. How is the App Store?

app store sucks but as you know there are tons of wm apps that are scattered everywhere on the net

The TP2 will not get an official WP7 upgrade. The phone's processor is too slow, wrong button layout, and no capacitive screen. WP7 requires a capacitive screen (multi-touch) and a 3 button layout (including a dedicated "Bing" search button) on the front of the phone, and MS is being very strict about these requirements. Somebody on XDA will cook something for the TP2, but don't expect anything official.
If you use your phone heavily for work, the TP2 has a great speakerphone. I love the feature of just turning the phone over, and it switches automatically to speaker phone (with a hardware mute button!). Also, the ability to tether is very useful, if you travel frequently.

I wouldn't even worry about the WP7. I highly doubt this thing will be that great right off the bat. I'm not even intrigued by most of it. I highly recommend the tilt2 and you know that if you ever have problems, you always have this forum to fall back on. So much customization is possible with this phone, and that extent of customization for the WP7 will not be available for quite a while after those phones start coming out.

I think the tp2 is awsome but since i know there are a few WM device coming out right around the corner with snapdragon processors I would probably wait on them unless u need to get a new device asap.

redpoint73 said:
Somebody on XDA will cook something for the TP2, but don't expect anything official.
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Do NOT base your decision on this or expect this. This will most likely not happen since it is a completely different OS and kernel and would require completely new drivers.
You might want to try one out before getting it. The processor in this phone is the same one that they used for the previous generation and that is just a higher clocked version of the processor used in the generation before. It is pretty slow and takes about 4 seconds to load a text message conversation. That is pretty slow for a bunch of text.
If the speed is acceptable, then its a pretty nice device.

petard said:
Do NOT base your decision on this or expect this. This will most likely not happen since it is a completely different OS and kernel and would require completely new drivers.
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Wasn't that the case when Android came along though? But, I do agree that even if wtfomgwm7sp7 ever does get ported to the TP2, it won't be a pretty picture, kinda like that kid at the birthday party who tried to stuff the entire piece of cake in his mouth at once
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If the speed is acceptable, then its a pretty nice device.
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That actually sums it up quite well...the TP2 isn't quite the bleeding edge of whats available in smartphones today, but you just have to decide if that (minor) level of compromise is justified to you by getting the sweetest hardware keyboard there is, period.* For some it is, for some it isn't.
*pure, unqualified, unapologetic opinion

Sik96teG said:
I think the tp2 is awsome but since i know there are a few WM device coming out right around the corner with snapdragon processors I would probably wait on them unless u need to get a new device asap.
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Well what is ATT next HTC WM Phone coming out?

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/AT-T-carrier-c_14_3.html

burtonsnow8 said:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/AT-T-carrier-c_14_3.html
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Well yeah but the only HTC phone is HTC Desire US and i like to have a full keyboard =/....
Well anyways i got the Tilt 2 = D

HTC phone sighted in the wild

Engadget has some pictures of an unnamed HTC handset.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/mystery-htc-windows-phone-7-device-in-the-wild-and-lacking-any/
This model is boasting a 8MP camera, 3.7" screen in a slate form factor.

I'm willing to bet that apart from the camera, the platform's identical to the Nexus/Desire.

They say it's CDMA but why would it have an app named "HSPASetting"?

I guess that'll make the Nexus and Desire the next best platforms to sideload WP7 to. Depending on how hampering that certification stuff is. I guess, it's of advantage that the majority of WP7 is managed code, easy to disassemble, especially since Microsoft has yet to use obfuscators on their managed stuff.

Tom Servo said:
I guess that'll make the Nexus and Desire the next best platforms to sideload WP7 to. Depending on how hampering that certification stuff is. I guess, it's of advantage that the majority of WP7 is managed code, easy to disassemble, especially since Microsoft has yet to use obfuscators on their managed stuff.
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You can't see the whole phone in the picture but I'm guessing it would be shorter because there won't be a trackball. Also, there will be at least 8gb of internal storage and the screen is different. It uses a SLCD instead of an AMOLED. The back of the phone is also slightly different.

Looking Good- probably Mozart?

I think it looks pretty generic.
Hope there is a more beautiful device coming out...

Meh, I HTC can certainly do better than this.

So HTC finally ditched Sense, yes! About time.

Windcape said:
So HTC finally ditched Sense, yes! About time.
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Not quite, they said they are trying to port the "experience" to WP7
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/24/htc-sense-coming-to-windows-phone-7-after-all/

Bengal34 said:
You can't see the whole phone in the picture but I'm guessing it would be shorter because there won't be a trackball. Also, there will be at least 8gb of internal storage and the screen is different. It uses a SLCD instead of an AMOLED. The back of the phone is also slightly different.
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The trackball missing means nothing in the grand picture. The internal memory might be implemented as internal SD card slot. HTC already hinted at the fact that the type of screen doesn't matter to the software, since they're already putting SLCD's into former AMOLED models due to the shortage. And the back of the case sure as hell doesn't mean anything, since it's a non-functional piece of plastic.
The chassis specification is almost pretty much the same thing as what the Nexus and Desire use, so I doubt that HTC is going to re-engineer a new device, if it doesn't need to. Especially for the unproven new kid on the block.
I hope there'll be at least one more better looking model, or else I'm likely going to shop elsewhere for a device. If it had a metal body like the Nexus, OK, but it doesn't.

Microsoft's design intentions for the first-generation of WP7 phones won't allow for trackballs. So they can't even place it there if they wanted to.

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The trackball missing means nothing in the grand picture. The internal memory might be implemented as internal SD card slot. HTC already hinted at the fact that the type of screen doesn't matter to the software, since they're already putting SLCD's into former AMOLED models due to the shortage. And the back of the case sure as hell doesn't mean anything, since it's a non-functional piece of plastic.
The chassis specification is almost pretty much the same thing as what the Nexus and Desire use, so I doubt that HTC is going to re-engineer a new device, if it doesn't need to. Especially for the unproven new kid on the block.
I hope there'll be at least one more better looking model, or else I'm likely going to shop elsewhere for a device. If it had a metal body like the Nexus, OK, but it doesn't.
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I was just highlighting the differences between the nexus one and this prototype. From the pictures it looks like it's in a modified nexus one case and there won't be a trackball so it 'should' be a bit shorter.A metal body probably wouldn't be the best idea. Plastic doesn't look or feel as good but it's much better for the signal.
Honestly, all you need in a phone right now is a 1GHz processor and 512 of RAM. Since it's a phone you probably won't need anymore RAM than that and putting in a beefier processor will just chew through your battery faster. Beyond these specs all you can really do is put in a beefier camera and do soemthing with the aesthetics.

Well the aesthetics department clearly passed on working on this one... This looks like a cheap Android phone.

Question remains, which model this is, the Mondrian, Mozart or something entirely different. Seeing how the old Windows Mobile phones, apart from the Touch2, were all these black shiny devices, it's strange they're departing from that.
Sure, they probably want to differentiate because WP7 is something completely different from WM6, but going with the current boring teflon case design they've going isn't particularly motivating.

I'd bet it's the Spark_w due to the Verizon + "others" bit of info. Others probably means Alltel and Bell (Canada). Sprint will probably get the Gold_w which will likely have a WiMax radio.

Why the HSPA tools in the screenshot? Verizon is CDMA. --edit: Nevermind, that _w apparently means dual-mode.

Looks like crap.

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This.
HTC have put out some nice Android phones lately and this is such a step backwards. Having no Sense on there (pun not intended) hopefully means its just an in house demo unit they're using. My money's with Dell still for now.

that's the HTC Wildfire, not a WM7 device...

IS HTC stupid or what ,,,,

how can they only put 100mb for apps ,,, and google earth takes about 20mb ,, i really dont understand what they did this time ,,, a mirosd comes with 32GB and HTC DESIRE comes with 100mb ,, i just cant believe it !!!!!!!

hwoarang626 said:
how can they only put 100mb for apps ,,, and google earth takes about 20mb ,, i really dont understand what they did this time ,,, a mirosd comes with 32GB and HTC DESIRE comes with 100mb ,, i just cant believe it !!!!!!!
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Google Earth can now be installed to SD Card if you've upgraded to Froyo..

phiit said:
Google Earth can now be installed to SD Card if you've upgraded to Froyo..
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all apps can be moved to sd when upgraded to FroYo

I share your opinion, it's possibly the biggest flaw of the Desire. Google maps, contacts, mails, a few necessary apps, a few games and you'll get the irritating "no storage" message, market begins to fail, etc. I have Copilot as offline GPS, and I can't even install it
BTW on an unrooted device you can only install a small number of apps on SD. And a small cache remains on the internal memory.
Makes rooting very attractive...

i know that ,, but some people still say its very unstable to move apps to sd with froyo ,, i have 2.1 and im very happy with it ,, ill wait till its stable then ill upgrade ,, thanks for your reply

hwoarang626 said:
i know that ,, but some people still say its very unstable to move apps to sd with froyo ,, i have 2.1 and im very happy with it ,, ill wait till its stable then ill upgrade ,, thanks for your reply
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Using stock Froyo A2SD, with modInstallLocation set to 2, is perfectly stable. In my experience, you can install around 50-75% more applications (in space terms) than you can without A2SD.
Regard,
Dave

It's not htc, its the borg, oops sorry android, wait for version 5, they will fix it by then

freakzone said:
It's not htc, its the borg, oops sorry android, wait for version 5, they will fix it by then
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No it *isn't* Android, and never has been! It's poorly specified hardware!
Does the Dell Streak have this issue? No - because they allocated 2GB to the /data partition. Ditto the Samsung Galaxy S, though that has other issues!
Froyo A2SD is just a stop gap solution for the current generation of phones. It will become irrelevant once they start shipping phones with an adequate amount of internal memory.
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Dave

So then what, you mean, I have used 10 htc units and this is the first one with android and the 1st one with the problem?
What are you doing here, get a dell or a samsung
It's linuix right, they (the borg) could have easily told it where to install software, or let us tell it, but they didn't, it's simple really
I stepped on your little google finger, the borg couldn't have designed something in a stupid way, it must be Htc
htc have never been known as the most brilliant hardware maker, but then again why didn't you get a samsung, dell, lg or whatever is the best

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So then what, you mean, I have used 10 htc units and this is the first one with android and the 1st one with the problem?
What are you doing here, get a dell or a samsung
It's linuix right, they (the borg) could have easily told it where to install software, or let us tell it, but they didn't, it's simple really
I stepped on your little google finger, the borg couldn't have designed something in a stupid way, it must be Htc
htc have never been known as the most brilliant hardware maker, but then again why didn't you get a samsung, dell, lg or whatever is the best
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Unlike you, I'm not saying that it's a problem - I can manage my A2SD situation just fine, so I don't have a particular issue here.
I'm merely pointing out that blaming the OS for what is essentially a hardware deficiency is both incorrect and pointless, as other manufacturers (e.g. Motorola, Dell, Samsung etc) have shown.
Personally, I still prefer the HTC designs over its competitors, and I fully expect the next generation of HTC devices to correct this design flaw.
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Dave

I don't think this problem will ever be fixed properly. The only way is as someone said earlier, that the device has more internal memory.
And as pointed out it is the device manufactures fault. Even if everything could be installed and saved to SD card without a problem. Why would you put less than 200mb internal memory it surely wouldn't have upper the price of the phone much even at 2gb. It makes no (sense-u-i-diots)

It's not a personal issue for me either, I don't use fart apps.
I blame the firmware, because on winmo OS you can install perfectly fine whatever you want, wherever you want.
Since there is an OS which uses the same hardware design (winmo) and doesn't have a problem, and then we have another os on the same hardware design, which has the problem, I think I can logically and rightfully conclude that the problem is with the os and not with the hardware design.
The hardware design is perfectly fine for other mobile os but insufficient for a particular one? And then the hardware is the problem?
Mine or your problems are irrelevant, there are thousands of people affected by the "not problem". Conclusion of the type "I don't have a problem with this than it's not a problem" is narrow minded.
First I got a piece of crap phone and now I find out the borg section of xda is the exact opposite of the other with a particular type of mentality which would have been just right for other places.
Anyway thanks for your toughts

Yeah but I could buy a 1gb mp3 player for £2.00 so why be shy with the internal memory?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

they could have put a 12mpixel camera, keyboard, 16 gig internal memory, dual boot os, dual core snapdragon, but they didn't

freakzone said:
they could have put a 12mpixel camera, keyboard, 16 gig internal memory, dual boot os, dual core snapdragon, but they didn't
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Your being a bit silly now.
Next you'll be telling us they cud have put a toaster in it.
Is it past your bed time?

This issue was noticable when i moved from the OmniaHD to the Desire.. with the Omnia you could choose where to install the apps.
What i find more annoying though is with 14megs still left on internal, things like Mail, Weather, GMail, Market (can't download or install) just stop working.. so you dont really have 14megs to play with you have ZERO.. unless you dont care about those apps.

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Since there is an OS which uses the same hardware design (winmo) and doesn't have a problem, and then we have another os on the same hardware design, which has the problem, I think I can logically and rightfully conclude that the problem is with the os and not with the hardware design.
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And that would be incorrect.
You actually got to the core of the problem here:
Since there is an OS which uses the same hardware design (winmo) and doesn't have a problem,
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Android is not WinMo and WinMo is not Android. Using the same hardware reference platform for both is just a cost saving exercise, and fundamentally incorrect. Since the Desire is effectively HTC's 3rd generation Android phone (previous generations would be the G1, and the Hero class devices and all other HTC models would fit in to these classes), you would think that HTC should have learned better.
Design the hardware to suit the platform - not the other way around. Incidentally, this is *exactly* the process that MS are going through with Windows Phone 7, with their very specific hardware requirements.
Regards,
Dave

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Your being a bit silly now.
Next you'll be telling us they cud have put a toaster in it.
Is it past your bed time?
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It was sarcasm, but you don't seem to be able to catch it
@foxmeister - then when you buy a desktop, I take it you buy 1 for win, 1 for debian, 1 for fedora and have 3 of them, or you just get one which is alright for the 3 of them??

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@foxmeister - then when you buy a desktop, I take it you buy 1 for win, 1 for debian, 1 for fedora and have 3 of them, or you just get one which is alright for the 3 of them??
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Strawman argument I'm afraid.
First of all, we are talking about phones, not desktop computers here. Desktop OS's are designed to work with a much wider variety of interchangeable hardware components, and a phone OS is not.
Secondly, and more importantly, can you run WinMo on a Desire, a Dell Streak, or a Galaxy S? No - you can't, so your comparison is deeply flawed, because on a desktop I can run any of the OS's you mentioned.
Regards,
Dave

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Not true/true, depends on the apps developer if he/she adds that option on the code, surely in not so distant future all apps will have the option to be installed to SD, but for now it's not so common yet

No SD card access, No Swype?? Steve Balmer is sceretly working for Apple!

I mean c'mon!! some of the most elementary things that made WM great, Balmer is ripping out of our arms!
I'm starting to feel like if I'm going to get an HD7, I may as well just go get the iphone...& I HATE the iphone!

Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.

owenw said:
Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.
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Actually, you must be the idiot! If you remove/change the SD card, you void the warrantee!
As for Swype, it was included on the HD2 & if I like that is my business! If it was available on 6.5 it should be easy enough to include on WP7. Why should I have to completely change the way I have been used to typing for almost a year?
Do your research before you throw the "idiot" term around, you end up looking like a bigger one than you accused me of being!

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Actually, you must be the idiot! If you remove/change the SD card, you void the warrantee!
As for Swype, it was included on the HD2 & if I like that is my business! If it was available on 6.5 it should be easy enough to include on WP7. Why should I have to completely change the way I have been used to typing for almost a year?
Do your research before you throw the "idiot" term around, you end up looking like a bigger one than you accused me of being!
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Wrong again champ. You can remove the update the SD on Samsung devices. The warranty you are talking about is with the HD7, because you need to remove screws to get access to the SD Card. So why don't you do some researching?

walshieau said:
Wrong again champ. You can remove the update the SD on Samsung devices. The warranty you are talking about is with the HD7, because you need to remove screws to get access to the SD Card. So why don't you do some researching?
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I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!

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I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!
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You obviously can't read then
They were never my statements
I was simply backing up the person who replied to you
As you are incorrect about the warranty. The USER REPLACEABLE SD Slots DON'T VOID the warranty. The HTC ones do.

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I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!
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Furthermore, since MS wants to be Neo-Nazi like Apple now (you know the 3 buttons that made it "impossible" for the HD2 to use the WP7 OS) what MS should have done is make the ability to switch out SD cards a mandatory requirement as their precious 3 Buttons.
you still wanna tell me how much of a genius everybody @ MS is now??

walshieau said:
You obviously can't read then
They were never my statements
I was simply backing up the person who replied to you
As you are incorrect about the warranty. The USER REPLACEABLE SD Slots DON'T VOID the warranty. The HTC ones do.
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I probably read much better than you!
1. when I hit "quote" yours was the profile that came up.
2. that's fine if that's your opinion.
3. I am correct about the warrantee...on the HD7 which is my only WP7 device of interest. Again, it's MS's fault for not making the SD option mandatory.

owenw said:
Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.
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you better read this one:
Windows Phone 7 - The filesystem and how it is presented to the user
before call someone an idiot

Just left wondering if this couldnt be addressed in one of the 1,000,000,000 threads covering precisely the same topic?
As for swype, AFAIK it was never available on the HD2 that my carrier sold me... if it wasnt for a .CAB file of questionable legality, i would never have been able to try it. Or is this the problem? Locking the OS down removes all the "free" software we used to run?

mshagg said:
Just left wondering if this couldnt be addressed in one of the 1,000,000,000 threads covering precisely the same topic?
As for swype, AFAIK it was never available on the HD2 that my carrier sold me... if it wasnt for a .CAB file of questionable legality, i would never have been able to try it. Or is this the problem? Locking the OS down removes all the "free" software we used to run?
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It WAS included on the OS my carrier sold me. As for being addressed on previous threads, I'm all for condensing. However, when I did a search my findings were lacking in this specific subject.
Perhaps there may be a better indexing system that can be developed to avoid these problems moving forward.

MrKaon said:
you better read this one:
Windows Phone 7 - The filesystem and how it is presented to the user
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My response of idiot was in as a result of being accused of being one myself for making points that have been valid & accurate. In reading the post which you pointed me to from March of this year. Reading internal & SD memory as one isn't the problem here. Neither is having to hard reset in order to reconfigure with the new SD card. That post further supports my point about MS really missing the proverbial boat here.
Case in point, removing the HD7's SD card is possible but not without voiding the warrantee. This is not by MS mandate, but if MS is going to be so controlling of other aspects of WP7 why not make sure we the users can upgrade SD card size as WE feel necessary.
My HD2 came with a 16gb SD card, knowing that this would not be enough for ME I upgraded to a 32gb one. I currently have about 22gb of info on my card. If you don't, or don't understand why I have that much data that's fine it's not relevant.
My point simply is this, we all know that these devices are no longer phones...they are mini computers that have a phone in them. That being the case, it should be mandated by MS that we have the option to upgrade our memory on ALL devices not just some!

MadLinx said:
Case in point, removing the HD7's SD card is possible but not without voiding the warrantee.
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Not true:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807900&page=13

According to what I've read and understand, replacing the card will wipe the system, like a hard reset, because the card is being used as internal memory. They say you can upgrade the card, but you have to start all over again...erasing all accumulated data and info on the device.
What I find ironic is, Balmer has stated the reason for this type of system is because MicroSD tech is very low quality, buggy and problematic. He says the quality and reliability consistency from one card to another varies. And yet MS adopts MicroSD tech for its internal storage on WP7 devices. [scratches head and rolls eyes]

Well Microsoft could of included internal NAND in it's hardware specs but that would of increased the costs of devices and price point is a huge milestone when you're competing against the iPhone.
The most sensible way of keeping costs down while still allowing manufacturers to offer a variety of storage configurations was to use microSDHC.
The point about quality and reliability is a valid one, read Bunnie's blog post if you havn't yet. The way to control this is to not provide the user the ability to access that storage, it is preinstalled in the device.
Some people like Samsung have still chosen to give the user that choice and I think more will over time.
It really isn't that strange.

Oh my god, this is way too funny! Both of you seem pretty ill informed, the WP7 keyboard is perfect but a lot of people still want to use swype. Anyways all I can say is that only the Samsung devices have SD card support and even then it is god awful. You have to format the device to expand the memory? Lol. Anyway, the OS has 10x more freedom than iOS, mainly because it has more access to the hardware. The OS has a lot of downsides and I think its biggest is the lack of developer support, however that should change very soon. Oh, by the way, I hammered this all down on the WP7 keyboard.

JEEtoP said:
Well Microsoft could of included internal NAND in it's hardware specs but that would of increased the costs of devices and price point is a huge milestone when you're competing against the iPhone.
The most sensible way of keeping costs down while still allowing manufacturers to offer a variety of storage configurations was to use microSDHC.
The point about quality and reliability is a valid one, read Bunnie's blog post if you havn't yet. The way to control this is to not provide the user the ability to access that storage, it is preinstalled in the device.
Some people like Samsung have still chosen to give the user that choice and I think more will over time.
It really isn't that strange.
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And I could have lived with this if HTC used a 32gb card instead of a 16gb, or at least given us a choice between the two...bad decision making. So much for "HTC Quietly Brilliant" SMH

Smokexz said:
Oh my god, this is way too funny! Both of you seem pretty ill informed, the WP7 keyboard is perfect but a lot of people still want to use swype. Anyways all I can say is that only the Samsung devices have SD card support and even then it is god awful. You have to format the device to expand the memory? Lol. Anyway, the OS has 10x more freedom than iOS, mainly because it has more access to the hardware. The OS has a lot of downsides and I think its biggest is the lack of developer support, however that should change very soon. Oh, by the way, I hammered this all down on the WP7 keyboard.
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In regard to the keyboard, It's all about choice. While the WP7 keyboard is perfect to you, Swype is perfect for me. We should have both.
That's what made 6.5 so great. It's a shame that we probably won't see much more support or development for it.

MartyLK said:
According to what I've read and understand, replacing the card will wipe the system, like a hard reset, because the card is being used as internal memory. They say you can upgrade the card, but you have to start all over again...erasing all accumulated data and info on the device.
What I find ironic is, Balmer has stated the reason for this type of system is because MicroSD tech is very low quality, buggy and problematic. He says the quality and reliability consistency from one card to another varies. And yet MS adopts MicroSD tech for its internal storage on WP7 devices. [scratches head and rolls eyes]
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Exactly! I said it jokingly, but sometimes it does seem like an Apple double agent.

MadLinx said:
And I could have lived with this if HTC used a 32gb card instead of a 16gb, or at least given us a choice between the two...bad decision making. So much for "HTC Quietly Brilliant" SMH
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Yeah I agree, not just HTC but across the board there was a surprising lack of storage space with the launch handsets.
I'd guess it had something to do with cost-cutting as well as availability of Class 4 32GB cards. The only vendor manufacturing them as far as I can remember is Kingston and they don't seem to be that well stocked.
Oh well, by tomorrow morning my HD7 will be packin' 32GB and my smartphone will be set for the next 18 months