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I come from a HD2, and whilst I think the Desire is a much more enjoyable device the only thing that disappoints me is the small amount of available phone storage. Granted I have a bloat free ROM on my HD2 but my Desire, with only one or two small apps installed, has only 89.75mb free versus the HD2's 271.97mb. As far as I know the two devices have the same amount of ROM.....
Is Android with Sense that much more bloated than Windows Mobile??
no offense, but thats self-answering, isnt it? you said it yourself: they have the same amount of rom.
Sense is the bloat. My stock N1, when freshly booted up with no apps, had over 120 MB (it's been a looong time, maybe as much as 130-140 MB) free. When I first flashed a Desire ROM and first booted up, it reported about 95 MB free.
that still isnt much of a difference in comparism to the ~270MB the HD2 has. so in the end id rather say that android is the bloat, taking 130MB more than wm65.
So Android with Sense takes up 425mb?? That seems an awful lot.
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So Android with Sense takes up 425mb?? That seems an awful lot.
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Once it gets rooted I am sure that will get reduced, and once Apps2SD (either rooted or official) becomes a reality this will not be a problem?
That's comparable to the size of Windows xp though isn't it. Just shows how far mobiles have become. I'm hoping Android gets an update soon to allow installation to SD without rooting as I'm sure this was promised, unless I'm mistaken. If you install a few apps like Google earth and other weighty, cache heavy apps I can imagine the Rom space would run out very quickly
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That's comparable to the size of Windows xp though isn't it. Just shows how far mobiles have become. I'm hoping Android gets an update soon to allow installation to SD without rooting as I'm sure this was promised, unless I'm mistaken. If you install a few apps like Google earth and other weighty, cache heavy apps I can imagine the Rom space would run out very quickly
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yes there was an official statement from google that theyre working on an update for it. Apart from the heavy apps such as GEarth and games the available rom will let you install about 30-50 apps so not that bad me thinks
If you've only installed small applications how is it that you have used over 30mb of free space the handset comes with, try clearing your caches.
This has surprised me too. Only having 150mb to store applications when I was used to Windows Mobile sticking them all on my 16Gb SD card, or my GF's iPhone seemingly having endless storage. After 2 days I had run out.
It's like going back to PalmOS 5!
Having said that I love the device to bits.
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just done wipe on my rooted Desire. on first boot got 130Mb free... did a restore and again low on space .. apps installed on internal memory sums up 60mb .. and i have only 10mb free space left ... how is that??? cant download/install anything now, not even some updates..
p.s. tried to install a2sd+ but didnt found good thread on how to do it..if anyone can help with this?!
thanks
probably your apps only install to the phone memory and you get left with only a few MB to spare,you can try and force them to install on the sd card and you will have enough space,i have about 30 apps installed inclusind rock plyaer,adobe flash which make 20mb and i still got 70 mb left.
I got 1.6Gb free
Data2ext....
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no, they install on sdcard. but anyway they consume some internal memory too (cache and stuff) anyway it's a downside of Desire ... too little internal memory..
managed to make ext2 partition and i can see it in quick info but it shows only 90mb A2SD and if i look in paragon partition manager i have 512mb on ext2 partition ... wth??
Does any one know how much Internal phone storage there is from stock(NEW) on the desire, it's just that I dont seem to have much on my phone there is only 14.46mb left, and also tried to install a game that is 8mb and it says there isnt enough room please free up some storage???????
I remember that on 2.1 it should be around 130mb. And on 2.2 i think i heard you had an additional 10 mb so 140mb.
So if your's starts with only 14.46 there is definitely something wrong. (are you sure you haven't installed a lot of stuff already?)
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I remember that on 2.1 it should be around 130mb. And on 2.2 i think i heard you had an additional 10 mb so 140mb.
So if your's starts with only 14.46 there is definitely something wrong. (are you sure you haven't installed a lot of stuff already?)
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Rite at the min I have 13.68 mb free on the phone and the icon saying low space, and i have added up whats on the phone in apps and it's about 65mb so in total thats still not the 130.
Wonder where all my space is??????????????
Can any one help??????????
Would suggest hard reset and start from new
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root your phone, install custom mod that has apps2sd+, partition your sd card and all your problems will go away.
There should be 147MB free space for aps in Desire, I personally counted every installed app and i found out it is +-150MB, so its right
What is the advantage of partitioning the SD card?
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You have probably already checked this but just incase ............... have you checked if you are storing old emails - some attachments can use up alot of space
The desire is **** for the amount of internal memory available for apps, only about 147mb available on the desire compared to 1.8gb on the Samsung galaxy s. Even froyo apps2sd implementation is **** on recent update. I initially could transfer only bits of 7 apps to SD and later about a total of 11 apps to SD partially.
This internal memory problem is a major drawback on the desire. I have 2 desire phones both 3months old and both on htc froyo and not rooted, but if I was buying now I might have bought the galaxy s instead because of this memory issue. I like HTC sense but it occupies too much of the 500+mb of internal memory on the desire.
You can download quick system info app or other similar apps to check your system details.
I might try the sdk method for forcing apps to external memory but looking to see if it voids the warranty from HTC. HTC needs to get their heads out of their backside and deal with this apps2internal memory ****e. Plus allowing screen shots as in the galaxy s would be a bonus without rooting.
almost every day since i bought the phones i continuously have memory alerts as my internal free meory often fluctuates between 20 to 4mb as i gorge on loads of app and have about 117 icons now i think for apps on the apps/programs main folder, all apps are free, i would buy more if not for this memory problem. but i dont buy as i keep trying different apps on a daily basis and forced to uninstall apps to instal new ones due to memory problems. whats the ****ing point of allowing a 32gb card if one can only allow 147mb for any apps and programs on internal memory. atleast samsung in the samsung galaxy s had some foresight and put in 2gb internal memory of which 1.8gb can be used for apps unlike just 147mb on the desire.
Root your phone and force all apps to SD. I have over 20 apps installed and still have 100+mb of interal mememory left.
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Root your phone and force all apps to SD. I have over 20 apps installed and still have 100+mb of interal mememory left.
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i would if not for the guarantee issue. once i am sure the guarantee isnt voided then will go that route or try the sdk method without rooting mentioned on another thread. think will query in writing this with htc whether the sdk method will void the warranty. all i want (for now) is proper apps2sd (not the crap dished out with froyo) and screenshots like on the galaxy s would be a bonus.
at present have about 115 icons on my apps/programs section. not sure how many preinstalled and how many i installed. but have about 30.91mb left after uninstalling google earth because of freq memory issues as google earth takes up about 22.4mb even though the download file is just 5.1mb. so if i had google earth as well (which i like very much but cant have for want of space) then i would have only about 8mb left and market gives problems while doing updates and hang for more than 24h at a time. anything less than 15mb will give probs and consequently one gets onlt 147-15 = 132mb for actual use on the desire unlike 1.8gb on the samsung galaxy s.
i havent bought any games or other costly programs because of the crap internal memory issue.
i've recently installed a2sd through Rom manager, and was wondering, how do i know if the new apps i install is on the sd?
if i backup from titanium backup, from before i had a2sd, will it store on the sd or internal memory?
Are u guys using Exchange mail with stock mail app?
Maybe check the mail app data size first. There is a terrible bug that the stock mail app has memory leak issue and will leave huge unremovable data even if you removed all emails.
Only a factory reset will temporarily resolve this. This happens with stock 2.1. I am not sure about 2.2...
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So if I use revolked3 to root it and put app2sd will my froyo update which i have not had yet cos im on a branded o2 phone still work, cos i read some where people were having problems with revolked and the 2.2 update.
I have tried putting a stock rom on but with no joy and with 10 pairs of dirty pants later cos i keep ****in my self every time i try to do it cos i dont have a clue and i dont wanna brick me phone, so if anyone can tel me if this revolked3 is ok and wont mess with my update when I get it, I will put that on and install apps2sd
I'm having a similar problem. Before I rooted I only ever had one message advising I was low on disc space. I've now rooted using unrevoke and installed leedroid 1.9 with A2SD and I have constantly got the low disc space message. I have changed the modinstalllocation to the SD card and transferred every app it will let me transfer to the card. But I only have 9.08MB free on the phone?? Any ideas what I can do to free up more space?
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I'm having a similar problem. Before I rooted I only ever had one message advising I was low on disc space. I've now rooted using unrevoke and installed leedroid 1.9 with A2SD and I have constantly got the low disc space message. I have changed the modinstalllocation to the SD card and transferred every app it will let me transfer to the card. But I only have 9.08MB free on the phone?? Any ideas what I can do to free up more space?
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i am using leedroid as well...i have 115mb left. i have tons of apps including navigon which should take 25 mb without APPS2sd+.
when downloading leedroid make sure u download the APPStoSD+ that plus at the end is important. If you mix up with froyo APPS2sd which is rubbish u will still do down on space.
mod install location is also not very good.
partion your sd card with rom manager to ext3
then install leedroid APPS2SD+
dont use apps2sd froyo or mod install location
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i am using leedroid as well...i have 115mb left. i have tons of apps including navigon which should take 25 mb without APPS2sd+.
when downloading leedroid make sure u download the APPStoSD+ that plus at the end is important. If you mix up with froyo APPS2sd which is rubbish u will still do down on space.
mod install location is also not very good.
partion your sd card with rom manager to ext3
then install leedroid APPS2SD+
dont use apps2sd froyo or mod install location
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Thanks. Will give that a try tonight.
Instead of starting a new one, I'll just post here.
If stock froyo has 150mb free space, there's something wrong with my internal memory. I just did a count (manually) of all apps (>100kb) and the total space was 40.43 MB. I excluded apps smaller than 100kb, which were the last 10-20 on the list, thus not a big difference. At the moment I have 27mb free space. I can imagine there's some "lost space" due to fragmentation, but 80mb ...
I already did the setInstallLocation mod to move some apps to SD. I think the next step is rooting... But I don't really want to do that before I figured out where those 80mb are.
The Desire is an amazing phone, but the internal memory makes it a prehistoric device. I mean, today we can cram terabytes in a wallet-sized case, but I'm still counting the kilobytes that would fit on my device...
EDIT: I updated google maps (4.5.1) and went to 19mb free space, there we go again...
In the current lineup of Windows Phone 7s, some phones have 512MB ROM while others have 1GB ROM. In Blackberries, Androids and Pres, this would mean the 1GB phones have double the storage space for apps because apps can only be installed on ROM memory (though Android now allows Apps2SD).
But in Windows Phone 7, I thought the OS created a single volume of the ROM + other memory (Flash or SD), meaning the apps can be installed anywhere. If the ROM only stores the OS and at max 60MB of pre-installed apps, what's the advantage of having 1GB ROM?
Haven't heard of any max. So no worries.
My guess is that if any updates require a good bit more space, only those phones will get it, like how the G1 was left out for not having enough ROM.
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My guess is that if any updates require a good bit more space, only those phones will get it, like how the G1 was left out for not having enough ROM.
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Though with that said I don't think Microsoft will be looking to make that mistake anytime soon.
The G1's issue was compounded by the fact that Android < 2.2 does not support installing applications to SD card. Windows Mobile devices didn't have all that much trouble getting upgrades from 5.0 to 6/6 to 6.1/6.1 to 6.5 with small ROMs because users could just install their applications to the SD Card (and Sync their media there as well).
Android didn't, so even if the OS could barely fit into the ROM, it would make the phone borderline unusable since unless it was an upgrade to 2.2 the applications and data/cache files woulnd't have anywhere to fit.
The HD2 came with a 1GB ROM/576 MB RAM for the US Market.
I personally hope that when Samsung releases the Vibrant FroYo, that it allows installing apps to the INTERNAL SD card, because I do not like installing apps to removeable media - personally.
I'm kinda sad to see the HD7 has half the ROM of the HD2, but sense and the tmobile crapware were probably taking loads of space there
Unless 512MB is all Microsoft needs for future updates + OS..
SO unless their plan is to release attractive phones to get people into buying them and getting used to the OS while only releasing Updates with Needed Features and Several Bug fixes so in the end the ROM is filled with Updates then they use the excuse that it won't support the next Step up since theres not enough space...
Just like Android in Some Cases...
It sounded better in my head
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Unless 512MB is all Microsoft needs for future updates + OS..
SO unless their plan is to release attractive phones to get people into buying them and getting used to the OS while only releasing Updates with Needed Features and Several Bug fixes so in the end the ROM is filled with Updates then they use the excuse that it won't support the next Step up since theres not enough space...
Just like Android in Some Cases...
It sounded better in my head
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hmm That way you'd have to get a new phone for WP8. I've read that it is in the plan phase already
I don't think the phone OS will get any ware near that and so I don't think 1gb would be needed.
By the time WP8 is ready we'll all be ready for new phones anyway, unless it is ready before 2 years is up. But if they do it like Vista and W7 and leave a bit of breathing room, we'll be fine. If they pull an iPhone and WP8 is out next year, it'd best work on WP7 launch devices too, and be pushed through Zune. A $5 fee wouldn't be offensive if this time next year WP8 is ready.
I think that there seem to be some confusion about the term "ROM".
ROM stands for Read Only Memory, if it's a read only memory you have to erase the whole memory if you want to add something to it (i.e. flashing the device). If it's real ROM, you can't use it for apps, no matter what platform you're using.
Now I've heard somewhere that WP7 can mirror data on a smaller, but faster internal storage for fast access. If that is the case, and the 1GB isn't really a ROM, it could be used to mirror things of the Storage for fast access.
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I think that there seem to be some confusion about the term "ROM".
ROM stands for Read Only Memory, if it's a read only memory you have to erase the whole memory if you want to add something to it (i.e. flashing the device). If it's real ROM, you can't use it for apps, no matter what platform you're using.
Now I've heard somewhere that WP7 can mirror data on a smaller, but faster internal storage for fast access. If that is the case, and the 1GB isn't really a ROM, it could be used to mirror things of the Storage for fast access.
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ROM is a misnomer but it's what OEMs refer to when talking about application memory. You do not need to erase the whole memory to add something new. The ROM space is meant to be changed infrequently.
I see two reasons why some WP7s have 1GB ROMs: (1) WP7 does install apps to the ROM for speed reasons; this means WP7 will be very limited in app size and some app developers will not create large, quality apps for WP7. (2) The phones with 1GB will also be Android phones, which by default install to ROM.
I still have not found an answer as to what's the advantage of having 1 GB of ROM on WP7.
I'm still guessing that like Android's Apps2SD, WP7 is writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM and storing the rest of the app on the internal/SD memory.
I'm fairly sure that I'm right in saying that WP7 doesn't see a difference between the internal ROM and the Expanded storage (be it Nand or SD Card) as it stripes the two in a Raid type array. So it sees it all as one contiguous drive. I would imagine that the original OS image will be stored on part of the ROM, and when it's initially set up, or hard reset etc... then it will deploy the image onto the striped array?
So I don't think the size of the ROM will make any difference in terms of updates, applications etc... I'd be shocked if MS had set it up so that they wouldn't be able to deploy updates etc... due to storage constraints - that said, stranger things have happened!
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
Jim Coleman said:
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
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You are wrong; please refer to my post near the top of this page.
Take the HTC Droid Incredible for instance: it has 512MB ROM, 8GB internal Flash and up to 32GB SD. The OS and all applications are installed to the ROM. The OS takes up a lot of that space and you're left with very little room for apps. You can install and delete apps from the ROM as many times as you want.
Here's an interesting fact that makes the question even more intriguing: The HTC HD7 (512MB ROM) with 16GB memory and the Samsung Focus (1GB ROM) with 16GB memory (8GB embedded + 8GB SD) have the same amount of total storage--14.5 to 14.6GB. The few MB difference is likely from different pre installed apps (limit of 60MB pre installed).
This likely means that WP7 does not count ROM as part of the phone's storage. So why would Samsung put more ROM than needed on the Focus?
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This likely means that WP7 does not count ROM as part of the phone's storage. So why would Samsung put more ROM than needed on the Focus?
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And that is the question that baffles here...
Still haven't figured it out.
Jim Coleman said:
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
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That's not necessarily a typo. ROM chips are updated with software all the time and lots of people just say ROM because it's shorter, more convenient, adn it's what they're used to.
Lots of people said RAM even when there were SDRAM, RAMBUS, EEC-RAM, DRAM, etc. floating out there. It's just habit, and it doesn't necessarily destroy the accuracy or technical merits of the text.
Hi All,
Bought myself a new Kingston class 4 32gb microsdhc the other day. Love my music and vids, and also find that travelling a bit, downloading the maps through the HTC locations app is useful, so i'm loving the HD roms.
However, tried to load up Cool V4, and Insertcoin last night and really really struggled. Bootloops galore. Eventually got Cool V4 to work after flashing the extra bit to remove apps2sd.
Both roms load up fine with apps2sd if I switch back to the supplied 4gb card.
Also tried Cool V4 with apps2ext, but had similar issues.
So it works, but of course it means i'm hampered by reduced space for apps.
Has anyone else had similar issues and found a way around them?
Sounds like you've not partitioned the card correctly. How did you do it?
I've tried both with amonra 2.0 and with parted. Same result. also tried both 1gb and 2gb ext4. same result. oh, and with and without swap partition. guess what?
I'm sure the card is a genuine one. It formats on windows and the phone and checks with h2testw just fine.
I was thinking of completely starting from scratch again... new s-off, new nand etc, but not sure if it would change anything as it does seem card related.
Other thing could be with it not supporting cards that fast, have heard others saying you NEED class 2 32GB cards but that was on other Android phones
What happens if you try a non-HD ROM?
no problem with a non-HD rom as they don't "require" you to have an extx partition. But then they don't have the locations app which is one of my main reasons for using an HD rom. I don't have/want a data contract, which means all my maps should be preloaded and rerady to go. Equally I don't want to have to pay for things like co-pilot, or route66 when It's there and ready in the HD rom.
I am assuming they use the ext partition as an extension of the onboard memory as they are obviously designed to a phone with a much larger memory.
The strange thing is that I can move some apps to the SD card through the applications settings. But with only 28Mb free, and half the things I need to install not there, and knowing the way my luck is, they will be the type that can't be moved, I'm gonna run out completely pretty soon.
As for the speed, I would assume that as it's being used as a memory extension it would require a fast speed rather than a slow one. But then I guess the desire wasn't designed when fast big cards were in the market, and of course weren't intended to run roms from a different phone.
If you want A2SD+ they do, try a non-HD ROM which uses it
Hmm yeah, good point. Will try that this evening thanks. I suspect it is A2SD+ that is causing the issues rather than the HD part, but that will narrow it down.
Did I read somewhere than A2SD+ requires a class 6 minimum? I thought though that there was no limitation on A2EXT, which also failed.
Will report back later. (would have just been nice to not be the guinea pig on this one )
I have a Class 2 16GB card and A2SD+ is fine - DATA2SD needs at least 6 to work properly, mind
So I've tried to logically go through some stages each time to check if I can get any of the roms that need storage space on the sd card to work.
I've tried 3 roms. One with A2SD+, one with DATA2SD and one with DATA2EXT. only one i didn't try was D2Whatever.
Each time I tried twice. Once using a 1gb partition created by amonra, and once by creating a partition with parted. No swap areas at all. Each time I also used the aligned-ext4 script that's knocking about. With the D2EXT rom, I only used the recommended settings for 2 EXT4 partitions of 268 and 768 (exactly the numbers i don't recall, but it was what was written in the thread as "working").
And yet, I get absolutely no joy each time.
The only way i can seem to get a rom to work that requires extra space is to use the script written for D2SD that removes the A2SD part of the rom, which allows me to load up fine. Obviously though i'm then very low on storage space for apps. This all points at some error that is affected by the SD card to me. However, when this does load up, I can use the standard froyo A2SD to allow moving of some apps to the SD. Again though, it's not very effective and can only be used in certain apps... ones which i seem not to be using so much!
I'm basically at the limit of my knowledge (limited admittedly, but i've flashed roms enough times on the desire and on other phones to kinda know what's up). This thing has me beaten. There's no obvious reason why they don't work. People have used faster cards, people have used slower cards, People have used the sandisk 32gb which is supposedly the same size AND slower.
Can anyone help? Has anyone successfully loaded a rom which uses A2SD, D2SD or D2EXT onto a desire with a kingston 32gb class 4 card? Can they share how they created partitions, and any extra steps the made to get it to work?
I can't take my phone out of action tonight as i'm expecting an important call in the morning, but I will absolutely wipe my desire from nand up tomorrow, and also double check the h2testw scores on my card. If that doesn't work, then i can't see how anything will.
Hey i just thought i'd add my experiences to this thread as it is similar!
I went for iNsertCoin Desire HD Rom Data2ext version. Formattted the memory with gparted as 6113mb FAT32, 1024mb EXT4, 256mb EXT4 and 255mb unpartioned.
Installed rom etc fine, installed a few apps but phone started lagging so i looked in titanium to see the following screenshot. This can't be right so i reformatted and did it all again. But after reinstalling, my apps installed again that i thought i deleted when i formatted memory card and phone (did full wipe, cache, delvik etc etc).
Any ideas?
First time rooter, planning to get this done in the next few days. The biggest complaint I'd have about the slide is the lack of internal memory and how it's impossible to utilize new apps with the phone.
How much internal memory can I expect will be saved by going vanilla Android?
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First time rooter, planning to get this done in the next few days. The biggest complaint I'd have about the slide is the lack of internal memory and how it's impossible to utilize new apps with the phone.
How much internal memory can I expect will be saved by going vanilla Android?
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If you root and you use a slimmed down rom like the xm rom, you'll save some space but you won't get as much till you use a script that puts the dalvik cache into your sd card. If you use a cm7 mod, like xm, you can use the app s2e that does it rather easily. https://market.android.com/details?id=ru.krikun.s2e
I also found that even using s2e, moving apps 2 sd (which cyanogen will let you move even more than stock) gives you even more space.
Sorry, I don't know a direct answer to your question, so hope this helps. Before my flex ribbon went bad on my slide, I was running XMv1.1 with darktremor apps2sd ( apps & dalvik moved to SD ), along with custom partition tables, and I had about 250MB-300MB of total internal memory available.
Then again, moving dalvik to SD frees up enough space for I think anyone besides me, lol. I had about 300 applications installed according to Titanium ( I'm guessing that's including system apps ), and I had about 150MB free of internal memory still with my setup.
there's always a2ext/data2ext if you're feeling frisky...