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Hi guys
Got my replacement TP2. Screen protector went on perfectly .... ahhhhh
Installed and got radio app ... and it works well - thanks
I love the device .... the display is something else.
My only concern relates to the keyboard mechanism.
When closed, the leading edge (left edge of the phone with it in front of you) has some give in it and when you tap the screen on the left side you can feel the bounce (a little knock sensation).
I don't remember this on the first one, but I didn't really get time to play with it before it went back.
I'm comparing the mechanism with the TyTNII ... and there is something in the TyTNII construction that doesn't exist on the TP2. Front to back on both sides is a slippery plastic 'runner' that is about 1.5mm high. This ensures the mech slides at an even height as it closes. The TP2 doesn't have this and is therefore 'hinged' on the right hand side ... suggesting this give ... and therefore bouncing / knocking will be inevitable.
What are you guys seeing ?
Also ... my original TP2 had plastic film down the sides of the keyboard and across the back of the keyboard .... the new one has them on both sides but not at the back ... which is a puzzle ... I assumed they were there to minimise scratching from the mechanism movement ... particularly important with the 'give' that seems inevitable by this different design.
Paul.
Sorry about the bounce, but I need to know from all those that have got a TP2 whether or not they are experiencing the same bounce on the left side as I am.
Without that I can't take a decision between keep, exchange (reluctant as the rest of the device is perfect and I don't want to end up with some other issues on a new device) or send for repair (probably the worst scenario.
Please let me know.
Paul.
Mine "bounced" a little... but i think that's because it's a sliding keyboard ... and it's not clearly noticable...
by the way, i already lost one of the film-plastic pieces you're talking about... hope it don't harms the paint
Mines fine, no bounce at all
Thanks guys
Looks like it maybe a tolerance issue .... any other responses hugely appreciated.
Paul.
No bounce on mine either and I've only just noticed those little pieces of film, one of mine looks like it will be coming loose very soon.
mine bounces.
just noticed it, and then returned to this thread where i remember you talkin about bouncing edge.
perhaps im being overly concerned though. (....but if anyone else tries exchanging theirs because its bouncing, then so am I!)
The bouncing makes interacting with the device so distracting.
It's a real pain. It concerns me that given there are no raised sliders running down the sides of the keyboard as there were on the TyTNII, even if the device isn't like this as new ... the constant stresses on the mech from opening / closing and simply tapping the screen will result in all the devices getting it sooner or later.
I'm not looking forward to trying to get an exchange or refund. Suppliers understandably never like dealing with repeating issues ... and never seem to push back the problems on the manufacturer. HTC responded very quickly saying ... sorry you are having problems ... you can send it in for repair anytime in the 24 month warranty ... but I don't want a 'repaired' brand new device.
I've already stuck my MicroSD back into the TyTNII (still as solid as it was the day I purchased it).
Any more views, I'd be hugely appreciative. Feeling rather despondent :-(
Paul.
Hi guys
Need to make a decision today ....
I'm trying to decide if all devices will end up with this issue because the raised bars on each side of the TyTNII keyboard don't exist on the TP2 ... or if the loose mech which causes the bounce only affects the 45-50% I'm seeing from the polls I've done.
This is a bit of a worry. I really want this device but having it bounce up and down every time I touch the left half of the display will drive me mad.
Sorry to ask again ... but thoughts please.
Paul.
I think i know what your talking about and on mine if i press on the very edge (not the screen on the chrome) it will flex but thats all the way around i've not noticed any issues with it "bouncing" while using it for quite a bit now.
The bounce is also on the Xperia, is cause of the keyboard.
On the TyTN II there was no bounce, cause of the mechanisem being diffrent.
Yes I also had it on several X1 units, there is always little movement in these types of designs. I would rather have the bounch than have it scrape/scuff the keyboard. I contacted HTC regarding this issue they say it is perfectly normal.
The bounce on my unit has so little movement. This little niggle is not enougth for my phone to go back. Everythhing else is perfect very happy with it
Yes ... it clearly varies a lot.
My TyTNII still has no movement at all - had it probably 2 years. I'm sure this is because of the spacer bars down the side of the keyboard.
The X1 had a little movement ... but nothing like I experience with my TP2.
You actually feel it move down and knock with every single soft touch screen press when you are over the left half of the display.
A girl in customer service at HTC is escalating this for me today. She tells me that she has had several calls from people complaining about the same issue ...
Some devices are obviously a lot looser than others.
Paul.
First off, I just got my tilt2 from stores yesterday, and I must say, I love it so much! Just got a few concerns...
For those of you who have the tilt2, when the screen is tilted all the way up, is there a "looseness" of about 2-3 degrees? Meaning, theres just a small portion of the tilt2 at its most "tilted moment," so to speak, that it just wiggles back and forth for about2-3 degrees? It's not too big of a deal really as the current tilting of the tilt2 seems MUCH more sturdy (and it will probably last much longer holding its tilt feature), but I want to know if its a physical defect on my current tilt2, or that's just how its made for whatever reason.
Also, I am quite worried about how much looser the top screen portion of the tilt2 is from the bottom keyboard when closed all the way as compared to my original tilt. If I were to slightly use my hands to grab each separate part and pull them apart gently, it is easy to see that it easily lifts, and if I pulled any harder, I can almost break those halves apart, whereas my first tilt BARELY budged even after 2 years of use. Basically, everything about the tilt2 is better, but it seems like it won't be able to take much of a beating as compared to the tilt1.
Just concerned about inevitable wear-n-tear, and its effects itll have in the long run, or couple of months even. Thanks in advance for future input!
Regards,
K
The 2-3 degrees of wobble is normal from what I've read. Mine has it too. It's slightly unfortunate, but doesn't really cause any practical problems.
I have read at least one report of a screen that can be separated from the body by a lot when closed. He said he could fit 15 (I think) playing cards in there, which mine most certainly could not fit. I never had a tilting phone before to compare to, but I am satisfied with my closed gap, which only goes up to about 1mm with light separating pressure. If your gap is much larger than that, it may be one of the less well attached screens.
I have the same problem with my tilt 2. Its abit annoying when you press in the screen on the left side of the device in portrait mode with the keyboard closed and the screen pushes in because of the gap but I don't beleive its a defect. I have seen some sturdier as my buddy's tilt 2 have zero play but his keyboard is hitting the bottom of the device and has scratched some keys so I would take mine any day. Plus I don't wanna chance it and take it back for an exchange as what you get may be worse.. IE - Dead pixel, screen QTY, keyboard lights, an even more loose slider, etc, etc.
enisoc said:
The 2-3 degrees of wobble is normal from what I've read. Mine has it too. It's slightly unfortunate, but doesn't really cause any practical problems.
I have read at least one report of a screen that can be separated from the body by a lot when closed. He said he could fit 15 (I think) playing cards in there, which mine most certainly could not fit. I never had a tilting phone before to compare to, but I am satisfied with my closed gap, which only goes up to about 1mm with light separating pressure. If your gap is much larger than that, it may be one of the less well attached screens.
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Thanks for your reply, makes me feel at ease. Also, I think you've misunderstood, my gap is as small as you say, and from your words, it must be normal. It's when I intentionally put pressure on the screen and keyboard (not that I would do that on a normal basis, just for initial inspection purposes) that makes the gap wider. Though, I guess with a tilting screen like this, theres less tightness between the screen and keyboard. But nonetheless, all is normal. I was only concerned with those when I purposely applied my own force. I was not use to how much more delicate this machine, the tilt2, is as compared to my brick of a tilt1.
Regards,
K
Raspster said:
I have the same problem with my tilt 2. Its abit annoying when you press in the screen on the left side of the device in portrait mode with the keyboard closed and the screen pushes in because of the gap but I don't beleive its a defect. I have seen some sturdier as my buddy's tilt 2 have zero play but his keyboard is hitting the bottom of the device and has scratched some keys so I would take mine any day. Plus I don't wanna chance it and take it back for an exchange as what you get may be worse.. IE - Dead pixel, screen QTY, keyboard lights, an even more loose slider, etc, etc.
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Yes, that was one of my que's from the start.
It was when the whole device was closed and I was playing with the touch screen, you could feel the screen go down a bit as I applied pressure to it. It was almost like if i pressed any harder, the bottom of the screen would just keep hitting the keyboard. But hey, glad to see that this seems to be a normal thing.
Regards,
K
PS. Oh and yes, I noticed it when I tapped on the left side of the screen as well.
Most of the latest smartphones and upcoming phones appear to have capacative screens and they seem to be the preferred type. However, I still use a resistive screen and I recently borrowed an HTC HD2 with capactive screen and I was not that impressed.
Certainly, they do resopond to a lighter touch but for me that was an irritation as I would regularly accidentally touch/select something by mistake. My Touch Pro2 resistive screen does not require much more pressure on the screen but just enough that it is hard to select something accidentally. I also like to use my finger nail to select which of course you cannot do with a capactive screen. Selecting some of the smaller menus in Windows Mobile is quite difficult on a capactive screen.
The other reason I like using my finger nail is to minimize finger marks on the screen. I noticed when using a capactive screen that it was covered in finger marks very quickly.
So, are capactive screens really "better"? I have held off upgrading my Touch Pro2 as I do not think that capactive screens are better than some of the latter resistive screens. However, it seems that if I do want to upgrade my phone in due course I am going to have to go with a capactive screen.
Maybe my Touch Pro2 will serve me for a while longer yet!
Apparently I heard the Capactive screens dont have as accurate of touches either. But then again you have things like pinch zooming and stuff to that nature. With phones these days its all a give and a get. Your problem with thumb imprints, a lot of the newer screen protectors dont get thumbprints. My friend has an Evo with a Anti-Glare screen and he uses it so much that he carries arond two batteries with himself at all time, I have never seen a thumbprint on hisphone. Maybe its the anti-glare or the type of shield? I'm not sure. But with a damp cloth the prints go away quite easily
i never saw the benefit of pinch zooming either, it just seems like now i need 2 hands (one to hold the phone and one to pinch) to do something that only took 1 hand (double tap with my thumb while holding the phone in the same hand)
i felt that way about a lot of iphone "features" to me it just seemed like an extra step or more complex way to do something that was devised solely to justify the capacitive screen and say "looks its new and different, therefore it MUST be better!"
I'm a heavy user of Remote Desktop. I got to really sit down and play with my friends HD2 yesterday (capacitive screen). I found that I hated it. At first, the pinch & zoom with RDP is cool & looks impressive. In actual use however, I found it cumbersome and potentially dangerous. While playing with the pinch & zoom a few times with Windows Explorer open, I accidentally picked up huge chunks of my folders and dropped them somewhere else... Pressing small dialog boxes with my fat fingers was nearly impossible, and the program itself was buggy and cumbersome (sometimes very difficult to scroll to the corner to hit "X" or Start", etc.)
I'm sure some clever programmer could find a way to use these features effectively, but since WM 6.5 is essentially dead, I have to consider that this might be the *only* RDP client ever made for the HD2, and I found that it just isn't good enough.
I suspect my feelings about this will apply to many other programs when using a capacitive screen with them.
I think capacitive screens are good for telephonic use (big keys and little messages). For office use, stylus and keyboard are unsurpassed (little and accurate selections and long texts). Obviously many users are interested, understandably, to phones and producers prefer to sell more capacitive phones than a few pdaphones. Problems will come with professional and power users.
Imho.
From what little I've used them I can't stand them. I like pressing with the tip of my fingernail which obviously doesn't register. I also use the stylus quite a bit for scribbling quick notes and drawings. I've got pretty massive hands and going to press on a keyboard key is really hit or miss.
Why capacitive screens?
Because the industry follows the idiots at Apple. If apple releases something, they have to, because they are afraid of losing market share.
I'd like to see them come up with something apple DOESN'T have and spin it like his PR buddies do.
It's amazing... the iphone 4, when it was released and myself and a few of my
amateur radio buddies saw the OUTSIDE band that was an antenna we all started
laughing that it would probably have signal degradation, and sure enough, it did, because when you put your finger over the "spot", you change the wavelength of the antenna.
I'm just glad it was found to be imperfect BEFORE everyone jumped on THAT bandwagon, like they have with capacitive screens.
i think its a personal preference. I for one enjoy resistive. i like having the accurate point to highlight text where as its a pain to select text using any capacitive screen.
My gf recently got the Evo and i'm constantly pressing thing accidentally. also for the ipad, since its capacitive, thats why it doesn't have handwriting recognition. the only reason i considered getting one was because i could load up all my textbooks for my classes which would make it easier in several ways. wouldn't have to carry around a bunch of books and you good search for keywords rather than flipping through and trying to remember where that one paragraph was.
I know you can highlight, but to add notes, you have to use an onscreen keyboard. would of been much better if there was a stylus and you could just pull that out and jot down a couple notes real quick. but since its capacitive, no can do.
there was a blog (can't remember which one) which contained an article about how a new phone was coming out and the only bad thing about it was a resistive screen. The comments went ablaze with posts like in this thread. each has its pros and cons, but i prefer resistive.
I like using a stylus to tap smaller screen elements, especially with programs like remote desktop. However, after using resistive screens for the past five years, I reluctantly went capacitive with the Evo, and I have to say it wasn't that bad. I like that the screen is no longer squishy, the glass won't scratch when I clean it off my shirt, and multitouch makes it easier to zoom in to the exact size you want.
And while the Windows rdp program requires excessive pinch and zoom, the one I use on the Evo has a virtual mouse pointer, so I never have to resize the screen and I can click on even the smallest elements. I can also use my finger for larger things.
I'll see how I feel when it's 10 below and I have to answer my phone.
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I'll see how I feel when it's 10 below and I have to answer my phone.
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thats true.
Last winter and it was freezing, all my iphone friends had to take they're gloves off to use their phones (although there are gloves with a static point at the end that will work on capacitive screens) but i was fine with my tilt2 and gloves. Also swype is a lifesaver in the cold and when your wearing gloves, find the right gloves with a nice point at the end, not too blunt, and works perfectly!
Gaming and other multi-touch?
Gaming is really the only advantage I can see to using a capacitive screen; that is, the fact that you can easily have multi-touch controls. There's also the benefit of multi-touch gestures that can be useful- but these all still seem pretty buggy and somewhat of a pointless novelty where I have read about them being employed. I personally do not ever want to use a capacitive touchscreen device as there is just too much sacrifice in functionality. Sad that the market is moving hard in that direction.
Hello!
Long, long time viewer, first time poster.
So I have the T-mo Note II, got it since the Sat after it came out. I love it, I came from the living crap-mobile Tmo Galaxy S 4g, and this phone is heaven on earth. I've almost convinced my parents to get one as well once their contract is up. So my question is this, which ties into the aforementioned statement, is anyone aware of a complete and exhaustive ... features list, I guess you could say, for the S-pen? Not just "hold down button and swipe up for gestures," but one that goes so far as to say what settings can be changed, which apps best utilize it, etc. I tried googling this a few different ways and couldn't find one, although if you Google it and find one right away let me know! There's more than one way to google a question.
Although I do have a question myself about wen I use the S-pen. I went to my company's Christmas party, and as a result was tagged in many, slightly drunken photos -- when I was viewing them on my Note II the next day, I was using the AirView to see taggings on the photo (so cool), but the damned pen kept on clicking many of the links that Facebook is so cluttered with. Has anyone else had the issue of the S-pen click buttons/entering menus/opening apps/ at the very slight of a move? I know that its programmed so that when I bring the pen down like I'm goiing to press a button it goes and presses it anyways, but I want to like... add a reaction time on there so it doesn't go berserk on me and clicks every link in a 5-mile radius.
Next question is tied into the above: when handwriting, the phone recognizes the pen right before it touches the screen, so my handwriting is cluttered with... marks I guess you could say, all around it the words, has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks!
EDIT:
Wow, silly me, I just found a list on our own Xda site!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1972391
If anyone is aware of another list, still please let me know!
Urtehnoes said:
Hello!
Long, long time viewer, first time poster.
So I have the T-mo Note II, got it since the Sat after it came out. I love it, I came from the living crap-mobile Tmo Galaxy S 4g, and this phone is heaven on earth. I've almost convinced my parents to get one as well once their contract is up. So my question is this, which ties into the aforementioned statement, is anyone aware of a complete and exhaustive ... features list, I guess you could say, for the S-pen? Not just "hold down button and swipe up for gestures," but one that goes so far as to say what settings can be changed, which apps best utilize it, etc. I tried googling this a few different ways and couldn't find one, although if you Google it and find one right away let me know! There's more than one way to google a question.
Although I do have a question myself about wen I use the S-pen. I went to my company's Christmas party, and as a result was tagged in many, slightly drunken photos -- when I was viewing them on my Note II the next day, I was using the AirView to see taggings on the photo (so cool), but the damned pen kept on clicking many of the links that Facebook is so cluttered with. Has anyone else had the issue of the S-pen click buttons/entering menus/opening apps/ at the very slight of a move? I know that its programmed so that when I bring the pen down like I'm goiing to press a button it goes and presses it anyways, but I want to like... add a reaction time on there so it doesn't go berserk on me and clicks every link in a 5-mile radius.
Next question is tied into the above: when handwriting, the phone recognizes the pen right before it touches the screen, so my handwriting is cluttered with... marks I guess you could say, all around it the words, has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks!
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The erratic clicking you mean it clicks without you pushing the pen to the screen? One of two things is occuring, the spen is over sensitive or you are accidently pushing the tip with something. Most likely the spen is over sensitive. To fix either get a replacement pen or drop/throw on the ground a few times (on its side not on the tip) or gently bend the pen a few times near the tip. What happens is the magnets in the switch get stuck and it looks to the wacom digitizer as being pressed.
Sent from my handheld Android 'PC', NOTE II
_Dennis_ said:
The erratic clicking you mean it clicks without you pushing the pen to the screen? One of two things is occuring, the spen is over sensitive or you are accidently pushing the tip with something. Most likely the spen is over sensitive. To fix either get a replacement pen or drop/throw on the ground a few times (on its side not on the tip) or gently bend the pen a few times near the tip. What happens is the magnets in the switch get stuck and it looks to the wacom digitizer as being pressed.
Sent from my handheld Android 'PC', NOTE II
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Oh! I never knew that. Yes, it's over sensitive, for example, if I were to pull out my S-pen and try to swipe across the home page to the next home screen page (not touching it mind you, but using the S-pen while 1/2 an inch away from device), it would try to open like, every app it came across on the home screen, instead of just swiping to the new page. Its kind of hard to describe, but when the S pen 'hovers/crosses' over something in airview, even for a microsecond, it tries to click/open it.
I'll see if I can get a replacement one, as I tried adjusting a lot of the settings and it wouldn't work.
Thanks for the response!
Wow, silly me, I just found a list on our own Xda site!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1972391
If anyone is aware of another list, still please let me know!
Thanks. Thats a great thread.
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Received a used Nexus 7 LTE (2013) from Amazon Warehouse today, presumably a return. This is my first touch screen of any kind I've used (well, at least since the IBM learning ones I used at the Seattle Worlds Fair). The first problem I encountered was auto rotate not working right, which a cache clearing solved. However, along the way of installing apps and choosing the settings, I've noticed that certain parts of the screen, mainly outer edges, and certain buttons don't respond well. That is, in certain places and with those short horizontal buttons, such as after some installs, it's hard to get a response. And when I do it seems more serendipitous than systematic. Is this normal, something most everyone experiences? I've pressed the screen to the case several times to see if that helped, but not really. And I do have relatively medium sized stubby fingers, which probably aren't optimal for a screen of this type. In any case, I'm thinking if this is a hardware problem, I better deal with it now, while I can still return the tablet. Thanks,
One other thing. Checking the battery, I'm seeing 4+ hrs left at 92% full. Is that a false reading, such as one often sees with laptops?
Any help about the taps? I'm hoping this is just a newbie question. I did test with Yet Another Multitouch Test and everything looked fine. However, typically I have to tap twice to get action within apps, when I thought once is supposed to do. That's what the Nexus 7 Lollipop books say. So what am I missing?
Some apps (for some reason) are insensitive. I have that problem most frequently with browsers, which I suspect are updating something in the background. By the way, this is not unique to the N7 -- I see the same thing on a Nexus10 and a Samsung Tab Pro.
If you're new to tablets, one other thing to check is *how* you tap; make sure it's with the ball of your finger, not the fingernail. If the fingernail is touching, the rest of the fingertip may not make sufficient contact for the capacitive screen to register the tap (my wife had this problem for a long time).
Thanks for the reply. I found apps in general are less responsive than the google part of it. And strangely, I found angling my finger towards the nail side was typically more effective with the recalcitrants than the ball of my finger.
It turns out, belatedly noticed, that the N7 Amazon Warehouse sent was not the LTE model (no SIM slot), so back it goes, along with everything else. However, as a first time through with a touch device the N7 experience is certainly not wasted (even if a lot of time was). One thing my fat fingers and the working of some apps got me thinking about is maybe I'd be better off with a slightly larger tablet.