Ok first off im a root noob. So...be gentle!! First i had stock froyo.no root..then i rooted via unrevoked3. So now im rooted running fresh 3.2.0.0. Love it by the way!
1. To get full nand unlock can i just run simpleroot now or is that only if i did the downgrade root method??
2. Is there a way to unroot after unlocking nand?? (I know i can unroot with just unrevoked3 now)
3. Does baked snack require nand unlocked??
I use the rom manager app for my flashing,backups now.
4. If i switch to amonra recovery in rom manager. Does it still work the same??
5. Are my backups via clockwork still available via amon ra after i switch??
Sorry lots a q's. Thanks forum
r.storm85 said:
1. To get full nand unlock can i just run simpleroot now or is that only if i did the downgrade root method??
2. Is there a way to unroot after unlocking nand?? (I know i can unroot with just unrevoked3 now)
3. Does baked snack require nand unlocked??
4. If i switch to amonra recovery in rom manager. Does it still work the same??
5. Are my backups via clockwork still available via amon ra after i switch??
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1. If you rooted with Unrevoked, use UnrEVOked Forever to NAND Unlock.
2. UnrEVOked has an S-On tool to remove the Nand Unlock(S-Off).
3. Not sure, Thought all roms required Nand unlocked?
4. Rom Manager will NOT work with Amon_RA
5. Clockwork Nandroid Backups are NOT compatible with Amon_RA.
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1. If you rooted with Unrevoked, use UnrEVOked Forever to NAND Unlock.
2. UnrEVOked has an S-On tool to remove the Nand Unlock(S-Off).
3. Not sure, Thought all roms required Nand unlocked?
4. Rom Manager will NOT work with Amon_RA
5. Clockwork Nandroid Backups are NOT compatible with Amon_RA.
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ok for q 3, not all roms need nand unlock because they dont have very many changes to system partition.
for 5, you can pretty easily transfer clockworkmod backups to amon ra. just make a backup with amon and put the clockworkmod backup in the same format as the one you just backed up.
Thanks for the reply. And yes all roms require nand unlocked. But in unrevoked 3 it only unlocks nand long enough just to flash rom then goes back.. i think. But some roms require s-off all the time. This is what ive come to understand. Could be wrong though
Ya sorry I was probably wrong didn't do my research. I was able to use roms after unrevoked 3 without forever so u r right my bad
it is correct that unrevoked 3 allowed nand unlocked jsut long enough to flash a rom. I would look at unrevoked forever which should give you a perm nand unlock.
yuo CAN you rom manager to switch back and forth between amon ra and clockwork. you just have to remember that by default a nand from amon ra wont be seen in clockwork and vice versus. you CAN manually move the recovery but its better to not have to as when you need it you need it. ?I personally use amon ra and i have an old update.zip file that lets me flash to clockwork if i need it. (i can do this through amon ra so really just an extra step if for some reason i feel i need or want to try clockwork.
one last thing you should post questions int he Q&A forum in the future. development is intended to be a place where developers post the things they have developed. i know it can be confusing but best way to figure it out if it is a question on a specific development tool/rom post it int he thread for that tool/rom or post it in the Q&A area if it is a general question always psot it in Q&A.
hope you get everything worked out
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My evo got pretty ****ed over the past day, originally I rooted it by installing the hboot drivers then using unrevoked,I assumed everything would be done from there, I never got to flash Amon ra or any custom roms so I wanted to try it out, every guide I found involved using adb shell and a Tom of other steps I never used while originally rooting.
I got so fed up with all the error messages that I decided to start from the absolute beginning and root again and then try unlocking nand, one method involved me putting all these files on the sdcard and using adb a lot, I followed all if these steps exactly and DEFINITELY DID A NAND BACKUP but then after rebooting in one step my phone went back to eclair 2.1 and all my info was deleted and now its as if I bought it today, its not even rooted anymore so all the apps I backed up with titanium I can't even access anymore since it requires root
One step told me to do the nand restore and when I went the folder was empty, I would kill to have my old evo back or at least all my apps, any and all help would be HIGHLY appreciated
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If youre back on 2.1, just root it, put whatever recovery you used to make your nandroid on there and then restore your nandroid.
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I assumed onceI was on 2.1 I would be rooted again, I tried unrevoked once it was on 2.1 but it just stayed saying "running root" and never changed, and my nandroid restore didn't show up before so why would it now
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The root method you used was older, and was the way to go before Froyo was officially rooted. It involved downgrading (which you did) and then rooting 2.1 and then flashing a froyo ROM. It sounds like you made it to the downgrade part and then you stopped for whatever reason. You aren't in bad shape, you just need to get that 2.1 rooted and you're good to go.
As far as the nandroid is concerned, if you made it, then it should be there. You said you never got to flash a custom recovery but you must've if you were able to do a nandroid. Now if you made your nandroid with clockwork you won't be able to restore it with Amon and vice versa, which is where I think the confusion lies. Do you remember what recovery you made the nandroid with?
Your only real option at this point is to root your 2.1 and restore your nandroid with the correct recovery. Check your SD card, if there is a folder called Nandroid then it was made with Amon, and I'm pretty sure clockwork puts it's nandroid into a folder called Clockwork.
As far as why the root wasn't finishing, I'm not really sure because it's been a while since I used that method. It could be a driver issue. Have you installed the proper drivers?
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The root method you used was older, and was the way to go before Froyo was officially rooted. It involved downgrading (which you did) and then rooting 2.1 and then flashing a froyo ROM. It sounds like you made it to the downgrade part and then you stopped for whatever reason. You aren't in bad shape, you just need to get that 2.1 rooted and you're good to go.
As far as the nandroid is concerned, if you made it, then it should be there. You said you never got to flash a custom recovery but you must've if you were able to do a nandroid. Now if you made your nandroid with clockwork you won't be able to restore it with Amon and vice versa, which is where I think the confusion lies. Do you remember what recovery you made the nandroid with?
Your only real option at this point is to root your 2.1 and restore your nandroid with the correct recovery. Check your SD card, if there is a folder called Nandroid then it was made with Amon, and I'm pretty sure clockwork puts it's nandroid into a folder called Clockwork.
As far as why the root wasn't finishing, I'm not really sure because it's been a while since I used that method. It could be a driver issue. Have you installed the proper drivers?
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yae the recovery is where the whole issue began, i assumed i was good so i tried flashing amon RA with the terminal emulator and whenever i typed 'su' it always said permission denied, i was rooted for sure so some people said i had to probably unlock NAND and more errors came from there so i tried that other rooting method so i definitely flashed with clockwork and i remember seeing the build name on the bottom as well which makes me pretty happy as well since i found it in the directory which you said under my sdcard with the date name and whatnot so major kudos for that
i installed the hboot drivers before so i assumed i didnt need to do it again but when unrevoked kept staying at "running root" i tried installing again, and on this video online from djr3z he said under 'My Devices' that Android 1.0 would show up where I could click to install it but it never showed up so I've been stuck since that point, are there any other alternative root methods you recommend/should i try updating the drivers? or perhaps i can delete the driver and reinstall?
Check your hboot, are you S-ON or S-OFF? Also, what hboot version are you?
im definitely S-OFF, saw it all the time in the bootloader screen, how do i check the hboot version exactly?
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im definitely S-OFF, saw it all the time in the bootloader screen, how do i check the hboot version exactly?
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you load it up with volume down and power button, same way you go as if your going to boot into recovery
ok and my hboot version is .76.2000
can anyone confirm if .76.2000 is the latest hboot driver? everytime i connect my phone and check device manager it shows android bootloader interface which, from what i heard, is what im supposed to see
everytime i run unrevoked it stays at "running root..." and doesnt change from there
The latest hboot is 2.02 I believe but you don't want that one, I hear it's a pain to root. Yours is the engineering hboot which must have gotten put on there from whatever rooting method you were using. It's fine to leave that one on there, it will allow you to flash CM6 if you ever decide to. What happens when you select recovery from the hboot menu?
Have you tried downloading ROM manager from the market and using it to flash clockwork? I would give that a whirl.
when i select recovery from bootloader it gives me the black screen with the phone and red triangle, i started button mashing and it seemed like a recovery image but it said 'Android system recovery <2e>' with a few commands like wipe/reboot etc.
i was trying the clockwork before, i installed rom manager, then tried "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery" but it kept giving me error messages about attempting to run privilleged commands, assuming that means im not rooted again
i dont even think i have the clockwork recovery image on my sd card, it does however show my amon RA one, but there's no point in flashing that if the clockwork has my nandroid backup right? and couldn't i just put the clockwork recovery image on my sdcard from online somewhere?
Try this- Download THIS FILE, put it on the root of your SD card, and boot into hboot. It will automatically find it, load it and ask you if you want to run it. Choose yes and let it go. It *should* install clockwork recovery on your phone. If it doesn't work, no harm no foul and we can try something else. If it does work, you should be able to restore that nandroid that you made. It will only work if you are S-OFF, which you say you are so it's worth a shot.
okay and if it works, before i do the restore should i wipe everything?
It won't hurt but when doing a nandroid restore wiping is not necessary.
so close...your method worked, but i couldnt restore it gave me an error messgae..
ClockworkMod Recovery v2.5.0.1
Checking MD5 sums...
Erasing boot before restore...
Restoring boot image...
Error whille flashing boot image!
takes me back to the main menu of the recovery =\
do you think it has to do with me still being on 2.1 rather than 2.2?
So you now have clockwork on there? That's a step in the right direction! Try restoring your nandroid once more and if that doesn't work, you can flash a ROM and then restore your titanium backups.
It shouldn't matter what ROM you're on when restoring a nandroid. Do you remember what hboot version you were on when you made the nandroid? If I remember correctly that could cause an issue but I'm not entirely sure about that.
hmm i cant even get out of the bootloader screen now though..even when i reboot it takes me straight to bootloader
and also if i flash a rom will have to be designed for 2.1 since im still technically on that?
no idea about the hboot version =\ just assumed it was upgraded to the most advanced version when i updated the driver
but i cant even put any ROMs on my sdcard now because i cant even leave the bootloader screen?
No, flashing a 2.2 ROM will upgrade you from 2.1, it should work fine. You must have made your nandroid on a different hboot version then the one you have now.
What I would do in this situation is run the 3.29 RUU found HERE which will bring you back to full stock, and then you can run Unrevoked and reroot it. The whole process should only take you a half hour or so. I don't know if you will be able to restore your nandroid because of the hboot discrepancy, but at the very least you will be able to restore your titanium backups.
Can I use the method in the OP of the Amon RA thread? Or should I use the flash from Rom Manager method?
My buddy rooted with Unrevoked 3, and still has his 4g keys. I'm just very nervous about losing the keys after seeing so many posts. Is there a guaranteed safe way to do this so there's zero chance of losing the 4G keys?
His recovery has Clockwork 2.5, but no Rom Manager installed. Should I install Rom Manager, flash clockwork again and then do the alternate recovery? Is there someway I can backup the 4g keys before I begin that to make sure I don't lose them?
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Can I use the method in the OP of the Amon RA thread? Or should I use the flash from Rom Manager method?
My buddy rooted with Unrevoked 3, and still has his 4g keys. I'm just very nervous about losing the keys after seeing so many posts. Is there a guaranteed safe way to do this so there's zero chance of losing the 4G keys?
His recovery has Clockwork 2.5, but no Rom Manager installed. Should I install Rom Manager, flash clockwork again and then do the alternate recovery? Is there someway I can backup the 4g keys before I begin that to make sure I don't lose them?
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Changing recovery managers should not affect your current keys so either method is fine.
lil-dice said:
Can I use the method in the OP of the Amon RA thread? Or should I use the flash from Rom Manager method?
My buddy rooted with Unrevoked 3, and still has his 4g keys. I'm just very nervous about losing the keys after seeing so many posts. Is there a guaranteed safe way to do this so there's zero chance of losing the 4G keys?
His recovery has Clockwork 2.5, but no Rom Manager installed. Should I install Rom Manager, flash clockwork again and then do the alternate recovery? Is there someway I can backup the 4g keys before I begin that to make sure I don't lose them?
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fenixjn said:
Changing recovery managers should not affect your current keys so either method is fine.
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What fenixjn said +1
In these forums there is no such thing as "Guaranteed safe".
If you are hesitant about how to do something then do these three simple steps:
1. Read
2. Repeat step 1
3. If you've reached this point start from step 1
Thanks both of you, did the Rom Manager method, now to flash unrevoked forever and he's all set.
Ok so just a few quick things, all I need to do is run unrevoked and root, and save that guy off somewhere very safe to get back to stock and make sure I will always have my 4g keys, is this correct. I see everybody uses the RA Recovery is there a way to set that up as my recover right off the bat as I believe Unrevoked uses clockwork from the start?
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Ok so just a few quick things, all I need to do is run unrevoked and root, and save that guy off somewhere very safe to get back to stock and make sure I will always have my 4g keys, is this correct. I see everybody uses the RA Recovery is there a way to set that up as my recover right off the bat as I believe Unrevoked uses clockwork from the start?
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Yes on the rsa keys back up (you should also copy them to your computer for safe keeping).
When you root, reboot and download rom manager. open it and click "flash clockwork recovery". when that's done scroll to the bottom and click "flash alternate recovery" and you'll have RA recovery.
Also, after you flash RA recovery, go back to recovery and make a nandroid backup of your stock rom. That way, in case anything goes wrong, you'll have your original rom to flash back to. this also helps if you break the phone and need ot send it back. just flash stock rom recovery, unroot and ship it back.
hope it helped
Yea I think that was exactly what I was looking for. I have seen a ton of horror stories of people losing their keys and never getting 4g back. So if I do it in that process I shouldn't have any issues with returns to stock and have the wifi functions.
I had my Evo (android 2.2) rooted with unrevoked forever but had to take it in to Sprint. I unrooted with the S-ON zip and then flashed the closest PC36IMG.zip that I could find on the forums. Finally, I did a factory restore and applied the OTA (3.70.651.1).
I've got the phone back now, but ever since the flash my 4G refuses to connect. I suspect I might have messed up my RSA keys.
I have a recent nandroid backup, but I'm afraid to restore it because the PC36IMG.zip updated my radios. My question is: is it safe to restore?
I'm aware that I'll have to re-root and install clockworkmod again.
I'm a long time reader, first time poster, and I appreciate your input
Heck, if you're able to re-root, it wont matter. Once you're S-OFF, simply reflash the radio, PRI, NV & WIMAX that you had before you unrooted and then restore your nandroid backup. You *should* be fine afterwards. By the way, the radios are independent of roms so it's not like your baseband, PRI, NV & HBOOT was backed up when you made your nandroid backup with the WIMAX being the only exception and that is if it was selected to be a part of the backup. Having said that, if you are not able to re-root then I would not attempt to restore a nandroid backup.
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Heck, if you're able to re-root, it wont matter. Once you're S-OFF, simply reflash the radio, PRI, NV & WIMAX that you had before you unrooted and then restore your nandroid backup. You *should* be fine afterwards. By the way, the radios are independent of roms so it's not like your baseband, PRI, NV & HBOOT was backed up when you made your nandroid backup with the WIMAX being the only exception and that is if it was selected to be a part of the backup. Having said that, if you are not able to re-root then I would not attempt to restore a nandroid backup.
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Alright, thanks! I won't be able to downgrade the hboot, but I'll give it a try nonetheless. I'm assuming that bricking the phone's unlikely as long as the downgrades themselves are successful. I'd just have to reinstall what I've got now if the backed up ROM is incompatible, right?
Edit: I've got the wimax.img in my nandroid backup
If you have the OTA, and its s-on as you said, you can't root it as of yet.
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If you have the OTA, and its s-on as you said, you can't root it as of yet.
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Do you know which OTA that was? I have a feeling that I didn't get the latest one, since I'm not on Gingerbread.
I did get some strange results after running Unrevoked - I have S-OFF but I get the red triangle/exclamation point when booting into recovery and I don't have root.
If you are S-Off then you just need to reflash the recovery. Once you do that you should be able to reload your nand backup.
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Do you know which OTA that was? I have a feeling that I didn't get the latest one, since I'm not on Gingerbread.
I did get some strange results after running Unrevoked - I have S-OFF but I get the red triangle/exclamation point when booting into recovery and I don't have root.
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It seems like you do not have a custom recovery flashed.
User ROMManager to install Amon or Clockwork.
As long as you are S-Off still, then you will be able to reboot into the recovery of your choice.(Didn't see you didn't have root)
Try rerunning UnrEVOked.
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Do you know which OTA that was? I have a feeling that I didn't get the latest one, since I'm not on Gingerbread.
I did get some strange results after running Unrevoked - I have S-OFF but I get the red triangle/exclamation point when booting into recovery and I don't have root.
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You don't have a recovery; http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19699565/PC36IMG.zip Download that, place on the root of your sd card, boot into the bootloader, apply update, reboot, reboot in recovery, and you'll be on Amon_ra 2.3 recovery.
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If you are S-Off then you just need to reflash the recovery. Once you do that you should be able to reload your nand backup.
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That's the new plan.
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It seems like you do not have a custom recovery flashed.
User ROMManager to install Amon or Clockwork.
As long as you are S-Off still, then you will be able to reboot into the recovery of your choice.(Didn't see you didn't have root)
Try rerunning UnrEVOked.
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I've tried UnrEVOked three times, all to no avail. Still the same result.
And yeah, I tried ROMManager + Superuser from the Market but they didn't work. Definitely no root.
I figure that I should be able to push clockworkmod using fastboot from my computer. I'm having a bit of trouble tracking down the right recovery image though.
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That's the new plan.
I've tried UnrEVOked three times, all to no avail. Still the same result.
And yeah, I tried ROMManager + Superuser from the Market but they didn't work. Definitely no root.
I figure that I should be able to push clockworkmod using fastboot from my computer. I'm having a bit of trouble tracking down the right recovery image though.
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2 Posts up with link and instructions.
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2 Posts up with link and instructions.
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Ah that one got posted as I was typing... thanks for the upload. I'll try it now.
It worked! Thanks teh roxxorz. Now I'll go ahead and actually get superuser, install CWM, then restore the backup and hope for the best with 4G
Update: I'm done and everything works flawlessly. Including 4G. If anyone has the same question, I can tell you that it's definitely possible to restore to a nandroid backup, provided that the radios are reasonably close to the originals.
when i rooted my evo about a week ago i followed instructions to the t for the ENERGY sense rom. i use revolution-0.4 i think that included clockwork mod for the custom recovery. i was thinking of switching to amon ra recovery. can i jsut download and flash it or will that cause problems? if so what do i need to do prior to switching recovery tools?
All you need to do to switch recoveries is download Amon Ra. Rename it to PC36IMG.zip. Then put it on the root of your sdcard. Boot into bootloader and it will ask you to update, press volume up for "yes" and bam your done. Then delete the PC36IMG.zip. (if it doesn't ask you to update when you boot into the bootloader, start your phone back up and remove the ".zip" from the recovery you renamed.
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when i rooted my evo about a week ago i followed instructions to the t for the ENERGY sense rom. i use revolution-0.4 i think that included clockwork mod for the custom recovery. i was thinking of switching to amon ra recovery. can i jsut download and flash it or will that cause problems? if so what do i need to do prior to switching recovery tools?
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Remember that if you have any backups with your current recovery,theres a chance the new one will not be able to verify the MD5SUM and restore your current backups.
Diablo67 said:
Remember that if you have any backups with your current recovery,theres a chance the new one will not be able to verify the MD5SUM and restore your current backups.
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even if i copy the backups to my pc then into the amon ra back up location?
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even if i copy the backups to my pc then into the amon ra back up location?
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Theres a strong possibility,they are 2 different recoveries.I know from experience a few times,but then again weirder things have happened,all i can say is you can try.