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TP2 ate up 400MB of data in a Month w/o actual use!!

Hey everyone,
Last month I gave a TP2 as a gift to a relative of mine, who is not the most tech savvy. Now, after having been in use for a month, my relative complained about an unsually high phone bill. So I checked it out, and it turns out that the phone used just short of 400 MB in a single month!!! The itemised bill showed that the phone sent or received several megabytes (usually around 4 MB) during times, when the noone was using it (like the middle of the night, 5 in the morning and so on).
The following services were enabled on the phone, that potentially use data:
- Automatic downloading of weather data
- Push notifications for Windows Live Hotmail (
- Windows Update
- Windows Customer Feedback Program
I've now disabled all of the above. Nevertheless, I have to say that blocks of 4 MB without actual use seem pretty excessive. I get push emails on my phone with Google Mail and I never have any more than a couple hundred kilobytes a month. And things like the Customer Feedback Program shouldn't use any data at all (if i recall the dialog explaining the service correctly).
Does anyone have any idea what could be the cause of all this? I actually feel bad for giving someone a phone that causes an astronomical phone bill without having been used excessively. Do you think my relative has some chance of getting at least part of the bill refunded?
Thanks for your input.

Easy.
Just delete the t-mobile setting under connection.
Or change the server to epc.1tmobile.com
Done!

Thank for the input, but I'm sorry to say that that does not actually apply in this case. It is a generic HTC Touch Pro 2, bought in Germany, running on the E-Plus network. Deleting the internet settings all together is not an option, since the phone is supposed to be able to go online (eg. to check stock quotes).
What I'm really wondering is:
- What, out of the services I mentioned, would use up such rediculous amounts of data for no aparent reason?
- How much data do other users see, who do not go online with their phone all day long?
PS: I forgot to mention that Google Latitude was also engabled at some point in time, but was then disabled on account of the fact that it does not update the location when the phone is in standby, and is thus, utterly useless.

Is there some kind of data service on that line? Is this a prepaid line or a post paid(monthy bill). The bill for this overage shows what? Does it show a charge per mb?

A program like SPB wireless monitor can report usage split between which applications are using the data. I don't know whether the trial version would be good enough to get to the bottom of this, but even paying for the full version would be worthwhile if it saves the big bills.
I agree that this is a very large amount of data for the phone to be using by itself!

Did you use Google Maps?
Edit: If not, I would definitely install spb wireless monitor.

xanthene said:
- How much data do other users see, who do not go online with their phone all day long?
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I go online with Exchange push, Gmail every 4 hours, Hotmail push, weather, web browsing, facebook, upload pictures, etc
and my monthly useage are around 100-150MB on average.
User who are not go online with their phone all day would be much less than my usage.

Check if she has websites set to push during those times.

Hey everyone,
The phone is on a prepaid plan, but it shows you very exactly how much data was used when.
By now I am fairly confident that the problem lies with Windows Live and Hotmail push notifications. I have in the meantime reactivated the Windows feedback thing (after all, we all benefit from the information I submit to MS ) and have not noticed any additional data charges. I have disabled automatic updating of weather data, but syncronized once manually and was shocked to find that it used a whopping 1.2MB!!! Absoulutely rediculous.
I have not reenabled Windows Update, but since there are no updates available anyway, I fail to see how that might cause as much data as was used.
Which only leaves Windows Live as the culprit. What I fail to see is how it managed to use up so much data when downloading E-mails. Even newsletters, which arrived on the phone too, rarely have more than a hundred or so KB.. and that includes pictures, which the phone does not download automatically.
Well, I'll install the SPB Monitor and let you know what my findings are.
xanthene
PS: There are no push pages set up

I 100% agree with you about the SPB Wireless monitor.
The new version of SPB wireless monitor is great. It will break down which programs are using what data amounts, which connections are being used and will even give a chart showing these things. You can view daily, weekly and monthly. It monitors USB, MMS, GPRS, and even WiFi but all you want is the gprs.
A weather program that uses 1.2 megs is rediculous. I use Weatherpanel (free) it updates once an hour including radar images for 3 cities and it uses about 400k per day!
It is a necessity on my Kaiser and if and when they bring the HTC to North America it will go on that as well.

Do you have facebook sync set up up? When I had it set to auto sync on the 2.1 beta I use on my Touch Pro it was blowing through data and battery.

She may have used less than the bill shows...some carriers round up on up on the data use/cost.

Thanks again for all your input, the matter is basically settled now. I've disabled data connections on the phone, preventing it from accumulating such rediculous charges without reason. Now the data connections just have to be manually turned on before going online - which isn't really an issue considering how little the phone is being used to surf around the net.
SPB Wireless Monitor obviously shows next to no data, on account of the fact that data has been turned off. I used it to read two news pages once and SPB reported 2.5MB. Again, pretty rediculously high amounts for some news. Looks like Opera isnt the most efficient browser. I should benchmark it against Skyfire and Opera 9.7b with Turbo when I have some time.
Regarding the units that get charged: data gets counted in increments of 10 kilobytes, which is more than fair on a prepaid plan.
Facebook sync is turned off.
I guess the matter is settled. Weather uses way more data than it should, and the only other service that I haven't tested yet is Hotmail Push. The cold, hard process of elimination clearly blames Hotmail.
Thanks for all your input.

[Q] Google Music Beta using a lot of data

Hey all, I'm going to be switching to Verizon in the next couple months, I am getting tired of sprint's 3g "dial-up" speeds. The problem obviously is verizon's data plans. I normally use about 3gb of data, and I am trying to get it down to under 2gb so I can get that plan with verizon. I have been using 3g Watchdog Pro for the last few days to monitor my data usage.
I use Google Music Beta a few times a day, but I see it's using WAY more data than it should. I cleared out the data usage from 3g watchdog pro, and then opened Music Beta, and streamed 2 songs that were each about 3 minutes long. After streaming those two files, 3g watchdog shows Music Beta used 80MB of data. I don't know how that is possible since those songs are each about 4mb big.
Anyone else who uses Music Beta and 3g Watchdog notice this?

Use an SDcard with music that you actually want. remove google music. enjoy 2gb of data.

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Use an SDcard with music that you actually want. remove google music. enjoy 2gb of data.
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Thanks, but that doesn't really help me. I have 100gb of music, there is no 100gb card.

Verizon Data Plan
Or wait until tomorrow, and get 4GB data plan for the 2GB data plan price - [can't post URL - google "Verizon Data" and see articles about "Verizon Offering Double Data Package On LTE Phones Beginning November 8th"]

But there is also no 100gb data plan. Lol
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And it's interesting how Verizon calculates their data as well.
I have an aircard through them which is still under an unlimited cap (don't ask), but they do send me automated messages when the card gets up over 5GB/mo..
During the data period, I think they also count some internal packet overhead. In checking the logs for my use on both the card and the server I connect to, they bill out a little more than 1k for every k you actually send and receive. YMMV

sitlet said:
Thanks, but that doesn't really help me. I have 100gb of music, there is no 100gb card.
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'Technically' you could get a 128gb SDHXC...but that's 100$+ and not for micro.
Though I haven't noticed it. Have you tried downloading via wifi only, and try caching the music?

Google Music downloads stuff even when not using the application
I have noticed that Google Music is constantly downloading things at random times. Sometimes LOTS of things. I had it somehow download 250MB in the middle of the night when I wasn't using my phone a few times, and the application was not running ( at least not as far as my task manager knew ). What is it doing? I have gone through all of the applications' settings, and I don't see anything that stands out as an option. I ran through my 2GB data plan in 5 days. This is my first experience using Google Music, but let me tell you, I am very close to removing it, and going back to sync'ing music to the SD card.

Any sort of streaming service (Pandora, Crackle, Netflix, Hulu Plus, et cetera) is not really ideal for plans with bandwidth caps. I'm sorry, dude, but you are going to be paying through the nose unless regardless unless you only stream over wifi. I know it sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it.
If you stay with Sprint, though, you can do this, which may solve your speed issues. However, you will not be able to get unlimited Any Mobile calling (if you have the 450 minutes plan). I would do that first and see if it works. If it doesn't, then consider switching to Verizon.
I hope this helps.

I totally understand the part about streaming services not being ideal for mobile service plans that are capped, but I guess I only expect for the streaming application ( in this case Google Music which is more like on demand than "streaming" - like Pandora ) to consume data while I am actively using it.
In the example I'm trying to make, it appears that the application is using large amounts of data when I'm not using it. That's the question I was hoping to have answered here.

Check your background processes and see what's running.

google is meant to cache... and it downloads the files in a pretty big block... so after it's done downloading for the moment... you can skip... five or more songs... and it will pick back up... so unlike pandora... google actually caches.. and instead of only streaming one song at a time.. so it uses even more data then pandora does because of that...
the only thing i can really say to help has pretty much been mentioned... have it set to only stream/download over wifi... download a sizable playlist... and go from there

So no one has any other solution to getting Google Music to stop downloading so much data?
I have been grandfathered under the unlimited plan (as long as that lasts) and I too was surprised when I saw how Google Music used 1.3 GB for me when I at most played 20-25 songs the whole weekend.
my slacker.com account - which I used much more during the holidays only used 35mb. That is over 37x the data usage!

Pay for spotify 10$ a month all u can listen too, sink playlists to phone over WiFi whenever u want, u can stream too if u want
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[Q] [?] Total noob needs help

Hi,
I am what you might call a total Apple zombie, in fact I never had any other SmartPhone but an iPhone since '07. Due to the huge disappointment with the 4S, I was finally fed up and switched to the Galaxy Nexus. However, while this seems to be a cool developer phone, I have huge issues with using it in a productive environment. But that is probably just due to my own ignorance ...
[Backup&Restore]
Poor me is hit with an update notification like 50 times a day. I suspect that I will lose all data when I hit install so I am quite hesitant here. With my iPhone I did not even had to bother with stuff like that, it synced with iTunes over WIFi whenever I was in one my home networks. The Nexus does not seem to offer such functionality.
What I expect to be backup'ed is all:
of my mail (around 4GByte) that I frequently need to have available offline
my Navigation system and maps (Sygic + Navigon atm)
my music would be nice due to reasons I elaborate on later
SMS, phone records, etc ...
I tried the following means for backups already:
ADB: with command line "adb backup -apk -shared -all -f ./backup_all.ab" --> result was only 700MByte so I won't trust it a bit (my data is around 13GByte)
Titanium Backup: told me all worked fine but my phone has not enough free space for saving the backup to the pseudo-SD, the file is corrupted, and dropbox is rejecting the maps and my email account data (looks like they are bigger than 400MByte or something ...)
Google Sync: is missing all that des not have a google stamp on it
[EDIT] Noting is worse but to switch on Navigation and get the message that the map was not downloaded and to reload 400-800MByte of maps over a roaming 3G connection at the airport or use a super slow paid airport WiFi. Same goes for my e-Mail, I need it searchable and accessible.
What are the pro's suggesting here? I only have around 3GBytes of disk space available on my phone, the cloud services does not like big files, and the ADB backup seems to lack some stuff (though I cannot really tell what it is leaving out).
[Navigation]
I am abroad very often and do not like to pay insane roaming fees for online navigation systems. That is why I acquired two products, Navigon and Sygic since Navigon Europe is crashing right away.
I am used to the iPhone 4, which means: load App, set destination, boom, go ... My Nexus however, needs a warm-up of around 15 minutes and then constantly loses its signal. Furthermore the screen is not always auto-rotating so that I go in the wrong direction from time to time. Am I just too stupid to operate such things?
[Music Sync]
As I said, I am used to iTunes and all is synced automatically. With the nexus I tried Google music but it is not originally available in my country and it cannot find any management software apart from sync. The Music webpage does not let me logon since a couple of weeks now but the Music Manager works on Windows and uploads some of my files. However, how do I add or delete new songs? Am I stuck to add the to iTunes, import them by Music Manager, and wait for an upload?
I also tried Winamp sync but it crashes whenever I want to sync by WiFi and my Mac is not seeing the device sometimes.
[Car Mode]
Both of my cars support the iPhone by cable and BT. I usually use the cable mode because the phone needs to be charged anyway. My cars are playing the music right away and I can use the steering wheel controls to skip tracks, etc. With my Nexus all I see is "cannot play". When I use Aux-In, which sucks btw., I have no knowledge of any way to make the buttons bigger etc. I needs some filigrane fingers to operate that thing when on the go. The Google car App does not want to install itself because it seems to be incompatible with the nexus ...
How can a fit-finger syndrome person like me control their phone in a car?
[Network Access]
Whenever I am in highly shielded environments (that happens often), such as a underground parking garage, a hospital white room (MRT, CT, etc.) or in a research center with much electromagnetic interference, my Nexus is losing its GSM network access and this is okay. However, it does not gets it back when I am out again when I am not switch the phone off and on again! I have already had overflowing mailboxes so often that I have a habit now to restart my phone whenever I am outside again. That is ridiculous! Is that a hardware problem of the phone or do I just have a bad model?
I hope you could enlighten me, as I am totally ignorant concerning Android and their phones. They are indeed a world on their own! Please keep in mind that I am not very knowledgeable so I would appreciate human-understandable information

Included too much information. What update? I'm assuming you're stock and didn't root or do any tweaks?
Just update, all of your settings and such will still be there.
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zephiK said:
Included too much information. What update? I'm assuming you're stock and didn't root or do any tweaks?
Just update, all of your settings and such will still be there.
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OTA 4.0.2, it is rooted for the Titanium Backup, stock ROM and kernel (4.0.1, KK1-Baseband, 3.0.1 Kernel), no other tweaks I am aware of.

An OTA update doesn't erase anything..
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I'm in a similar kind of position and I think that provided you have standard recovery the update will work fine and you'll lose no settings although I've seen some suggestions you'll lose root by updating. Not sure how it would affect you if you have a non-standard kernel tho...

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OTA 4.0.2, it is rooted for the Titanium Backup, stock ROM and kernel (4.0.1, KK1-Baseband, 3.0.1 Kernel), no other tweaks I am aware of.
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Having root doesn't mean anything. As long as you didn't do any changes to the kernel, or anything outside of /sdcard/ even though you have root. You'll be fine, it won't wipe anything. Just accept the OTA and everything will be okay.
I'd recommend using https://market.android.com/details?...m9yZy5wcm9qZWN0dm9vZG9vLm90YXJvb3RrZWVwZXIiXQ.. as it will keep your root access post-OTA.
@daz.g: Not having the stock kernel provided by Google and accepting the OTA is a huge-nono and will most likely fail. You can keep root with the app I linked above. But using stock ROM + stock kernel + root, your options are rather limited and it's better off going off with Custom ROMs. If people are going to be risky and root, might as well go all the way. Risking and flashing ROMs aren't even that scary

[Q] Location Service when Lost

What is the best app to track your phone after it has been stolen or lost?
I was using Wavesecure a couple of months ago, but stopped because my desire isn't worth much now.
But for my brand new One X I think it is a good addon. .
Thanks!

I use PhoneLocatorPro and it's been excellent. Paid app but worth it. Plenty on the market read the reviews for each one.
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A very good one, from the makers of Lookout Mobile Security (which also has tracking ability) is called Plan B.
If your phone is lost or stolen, quickly get to a computer and install Plan B via the marketplace website. It'll install on the phone, turn all radios on and email you location updates every minute for 5 minutes. Works very well.
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wnp_79 said:
A very good one, from the makers of Lookout Mobile Security (which also has tracking ability) is called Plan B.
If your phone is lost or stolen, quickly get to a computer and install Plan B via the marketplace website. It'll install on the phone, turn all radios on and email you location updates every minute for 5 minutes. Works very well.
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So this is basicly a backup plan? I have been using Lookout aswell, but it isn't good anymore?

Dont forget the Avast one , free, and if you have root, it survives to hard reset and i believe even to custom roms flashing.
you may locate, lock, erase, make a siren shouting, it sends the last sms/call history
of any non approuved sim card inserted so on

I use Anti Theft Pro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oneos.antitheft&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5vbmVvcy5hbnRpdGhlZnQiXQ..
Gots lots of options even in free version (if u want to enable commands through mail you have to get the pro version though)

Best way to backup/restore max device limit apps?

Essentially, I use Sinemia and they have a device limit for how many times you can switch devices. Their limit is 3, but with how often I switch ROMs/have to do a clean flash, etc. it's just not feasible.
Is the best way to use Titanium backup? Though I assume the app will check if I'm on a new device. Wasn't sure the best way to go about this.

I'm not totally sure I understand your question, but it sounds like you are trying to bypass the 3 device limit of a paid subscription.
Use TiBu and "restore old device I.D." when restoring apps/ user data, this way your app will see the original device I.D. and won't think it's an additional device like it would with a new device I.D.
Doing anything else to bypass the app's 3 device limit would likely be crossing the line of getting premium/paid services for free, which is NOT allowed to be discussed, encouraged, or shared on Xda.
If I am misunderstanding the question, please accept my apology, and try re-explaining it.
Thanks.

Az Biker said:
I'm not totally sure I understand your question, but it sounds like you are trying to bypass the 3 device limit of a paid subscription.
Use TiBu and "restore old device I.D." when restoring apps/ user data, this way your app will see the original device I.D. and won't think it's an additional device like it would with a new device I.D.
Doing anything else to bypass the app's 3 device limit would likely be crossing the line of getting premium/paid services for free, which is NOT allowed to be discussed, encouraged, or shared on Xda.
If I am misunderstanding the question, please accept my apology, and try re-explaining it.
Thanks.
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This is perfect, thank you! Also, Sinemia is like movie pass where you pay them a monthly fee($9.99~) to watch 3 movies per month. I'm unsure why they have a device limit except that if you let a friend login and use one of your "free" movies if you only went twice that month.
Anyway, that was a longer explanation to say, no, I'm not attempting to get paid services for free lol

Darriousx said:
This is perfect, thank you! Also, Sinemia is like movie pass where you pay them a monthly fee($9.99~) to watch 3 movies per month. I'm unsure why they have a device limit except that if you let a friend login and use one of your "free" movies if you only went twice that month.
Anyway, that was a longer explanation to say, no, I'm not attempting to get paid services for free lol
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Glad to hear that the TiBu option might work out for you..