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I am initiating my third project this winter season.
Purpose of this project:
The project is to successfully make a 9600mAh battery @ 3.7VDC.
Objective:
Use least amount of resources. Battery should be created easily by anyone. Budget is less than $100 USD.
Materials:
3x 3200mAh Li-Ion batteries
4x Copper conduit cables with plastic wrapping
- 2x Copper cables 5mm Width, 4-5cm Lenght.
- 2x Copper cables 1-2mm Width, 4-5cm Lenght.
1x Tin (Sn) Soldering Unit.
1x 2-3cm battery door.
Procedure:
1. As you see there are 4 compartments of power conductor on the battery (metal copper) where the battery touches the Universal pins.
2. Stack up all the batteries so that they are one over the other in same position parallely.
3. Take the copper cable and connect it to each batteries metal spot. Ofcourse the bigger compartment is going to require the 5mm wire and the other small ones will require 2mm.
4. Solder the wires tightly and they must touch all the compartments.
5. There should be a little bit of wire left in the end and that wire must touch the first battery a bit.
6. Make sure you do not use excess wire otherwise all the batteries wont fit in the battery door.
7. The first battery will clip into the Universal but now here is the modification you have to make to the other batteries.
Break off the clips on the other batteries. Front and back slip in clips. This will enable the batteries to fit in the case and probably make room for the copper wires too.
8. Now here is the problem. If you are making a 4800mAh battery stack (3200mAh + 1600mAh) then you are lucky and can custom order a battery door. For the other people making 9600mAh or 6400mAh you will have to make your own battery door probably by using molding plastic tools.
Now please keep note not to ever ever ever solder anything to the pins on the Universal power recieving wires. Otherwise you are in big trouble and probaly damaged the power supply but you can cut the solder off.
Results:
So this is the array of batteries you have just built. I will built a 5000mAh battery so this is how it will work for me. i have a 1800mAh battery that is of normal flat size and a 3200mAh battery. Both of same 3.7V ~ VDC. Therefore, we can conclude that both stacked. The wires were connected parallely and i preffered to break the clips on the 3200mAh battery since my 1800mAh is metallic. I asked Lion Battery to send me a battery door for their 4800mAh batteries and they arranged it for $10 or something and it fit my battery stack because it was approximately 1cm extended.
So first the wires were soldered on the 3200mAh and then they reached down to the 1800mAh. The 1800mAh connected independently to the pins on the Universal. The Universal is now drawing power out of both 3200mAh and 1800mAh batteries!!!!
Conclusion:
I saved $200 on a 5000mAh battery.
Good luck on making your battery stack. Try to post pictures and information if you to undertake this project and are successful.
Regards.
I will buy only if the size remains the same size as 1620mA original battery.
Anything beyond the size is bulky, considering Universal itself is already bulky.
CWKJ said:
I will buy only if the size remains the same size as 1620mA original battery.
Anything beyond the size is bulky, considering Universal itself is already bulky.
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I agree. The maximum available at flat size is 1800mAh. Single Battery. But the point of having the universal is functionality. I dont use it to talk. I use the BT headset.
nuclear
Use car battery and you solve all their own problems
.Will much long work!
Show us photo your super batteries!
If will be a photo we all shall believe that you technical genius!
It would be a Nuclear device...beware
You should realy start to think about your 4th project:
Making BAG for project N3
Guys be nice...
Nuclear any chance of some photos? Put them on Flickr etc.
What kind of usage time do you get?
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YES, be nice... because in theory as long as you connect the batteries in PARALLEL you are not increasing the voltage, but you are increasing the capacity, thus longer battery life. As a matter of fact, you can stack as many as you want.
Now if you are connecting the batteries in SERIES, then you are going to fry (TOAST, if you prefer) your precious Universal.
vijay555 said:
Guys be nice...
Nuclear any chance of some photos? Put them on Flickr etc.
What kind of usage time do you get?
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Offcourse I'm joking - but actualy it will be powerfull Universal without chance to put him in .... pocket
i was just thinking of this last night, and there a thread.
anyone have any idea how to make a battery door, or what i call it a battery cover with ease? i do not own any plastic moulding tools
omega_ said:
i was just thinking of this last night, and there a thread.
anyone have any idea how to make a battery door, or what i call it a battery cover with ease? i do not own any plastic moulding tools
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I find making a battery cover/door very easy personally. I did not post upon how to make a battery cover/door but after a lot of thinking i have come up with the procedure to do that too.
1. Order 2x 3200mAh batteries from ebay or anywhere you like. The batteries will include their individual covers. Note that you must order the battery with the square black door and not the aerodynamic silver door. You can also order individual battery doors from ebay by requesting the seller
2. Therefore you will be making a 6400mAh stack of battery.
3. This is where you have get to make a choice. Either to keep the batteries in one compartement or to keep the batteries in separate compartements (recommended).
4. Keeping the batteries in separate compartements helps in cooling effect and prolongs the life of the batteries because batteries emit EMF waves that could damage each other. When the batteries are kept separately they have no chance of effecting each other.
5. Also note that the batteries charge and discharge simultaneously due to charge distrubution factor of 1/2 .
6. Ok now to make the cover. First we will look at the single compartment where both batteries sit together.
- We have two covers and classify them as Cover A and B.
- Cover A will clip into the Universal directly.
- Cut out cover A's roof using a hot cutting knife (recommended to keep soft edges). Let the Cover A cool down and you may now throw away the roof of cover A.
- Cut out the base or rim of Cover B. You know the rim that sits on the Universal. The flat rim part on Cover B must not exist.
- Cover B must now look like a perfect rectangle without any edges because it will sit on Cover A and you will attach them by heating up Cover A and Cover B edges so that they both bond up. You can make this bond either by using permanent glue or moulding using a chisel heat knife.
- So now you have successfully made a 6400mAh battery door. Make sure there is enough room for the wires to pass. Good luck.
7. Now to make the separtate compartement battery holder.
- Cut out the rim of Cover B using the hot knife method.
- Make Cover B sit on Cover A exactly in the same co-ordinates.
- Mold them back and make the bond between Cover A and B so now they are Cover A-B.
- Make a hole in Cover A's roof so you can pull out the wires that are going to Battery B in cover B. Make sure that the battery is first in cover B and you solder the Cover A and B with the battery sitting in Cover B. You wont be able to take out the Battery from Cover B because now it is sitting permanently in Cover B fully SEALED! . Make sure you don't solder the Wires to Battery B before this step.
If additional space is needed or the batteries are heating up, just use a metallic 2-5mm stick to make a gap between Compartement A and B.
When i start doing this i will post pictures of the battery stack and my new battery door.
Good luck in making your battery door.
By parallel battery stacking i mean that 1 wire goes through all the batteries touching each batteries metal compartment, since Universal batteries have 4 of these compartements we going to have 4 wires touching each of those metal parts. All the 4 wires must run parallely without touching each other. And that is why we cover them with plastic.
Now if I am correct a series connection is where all batteries connect directly to the Universal, which will fry the universal due to excessive voltage input around 10-12Volts. When the batteries connect all in line then its a parallel and voltage input does not change. Its only the capacity that changes. But you must make sure a wire is running directly to the universal and all the other batteries are connected to that wire. Its like a branching except the main branch connects to the Universal and all the sub branches are the batteries.
I will post pictures when i get home of what i am looking for. It seems words arent enough. Pictures Pictures Pictures!! and Diagrams. I know you all want to see the blueprints. Thats why when i go home today i will make the blueprints in autocad or by hand and upload pictures here. I will also show you what series connections are and how you can fry the battery/Universal if a wrong connection is made.
I personally wont be attempting this project until i make a good cover for the battery. I will ask those 4800mAh battery sellers to give me a cover without the battery for $5-$20. Dont want the 4800mAh battery from those sellers $200 .
Actually now that i think about it i would like to stick with 1800mAh only because its so flat with the universal and not at all bulky. But i dont care about the bulk because i never use the phone to call. Like i never hold it to my ear. Always use a BT headset. This bulk battery is seriously going to be heavy.
Truly I would advice you all to stay with the 1600-1800mAh battery until a new battery is released of the same size with higher capacity.
Okay if you guys really want me to attempt this project I will. But I wont be using that huge stack. Also if someone could help me I would really appreciate it. Afterall I am trying to help you guys too. I dont want you guys spending so much money on something thats so cheap. You guys already spent a lot of money on the Universal and I suggest you dont get cheated by this battery thing. Thats why I didnt have any pictures. But i can atleast provide blueprints. I am doing all this for you guys and not personally for myself. I could have done this project at home and never let any of you know. But there are some days when I am struck and I come looking for help on the internet and i get that help. Thats why I would also be a part of that help and help other people with all I have to offer. So please dont get mad if i dont have pictures or my setup does not work. I am trying my best.
Parallel Battery Stacking
My first picture of how parallel stacking should look like. This is one of the blueprints i post. Make sure your wires are minimal. Very small wires otherwise the batteries wont fit in there. Even the cover must be able to support the wires. If you are making a twin compartment battery case, then better make holes in the partition for the passage of the wires. I will post a blueprint for that too, the cover that is. The key to success in this project is to minimize wires as much as possible.
Also good news! A recent technology has been invented that lets you charge your electronics on wireless!. Plug in the adapter into the wall and there you go. You have wireless charging. I saw this news somewhere I dont remember exactly but I know it was a valid news source.
nuclear said:
My first picture of how parallel stacking should look like. This is one of the blueprints i post. Make sure your wires are minimal. Very small wires otherwise the batteries wont fit in there. Even the cover must be able to support the wires. If you are making a twin compartment battery case, then better make holes in the partition for the passage of the wires. I will post a blueprint for that too, the cover that is. The key to success in this project is to minimize wires as much as possible.
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As you make the wires thinner, they will get hotter/the resistance of them will go up, causing more power consumption
nuclear said:
Also good news! A recent technology has been invented that lets you charge your electronics on wireless!. Plug in the adapter into the wall and there you go. You have wireless charging. I saw this news somewhere I dont remember exactly but I know it was a valid news source.
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Charging your electronics on wireless? >.>
As has been asked before for your claims, links, sources... come on man, we can't take your word for everything.
Another alternative ... although not as much fun as making one
I had the same problem of not having enough battery capacity, especially since the original battery starting going bad (it would shut down at about 50% charge, lasting only 30-60 minutes). So I had the choice of getting the original battery for about $25 with shipping or getting the 3150mAh Li-ion Battery for $35 with shipping. I got the 3150mAh about a month ago and have been very pleased with it. It easily lasts 4 hours under full load and I could go a whole working day under normal use ... amazing !!! Also, it actually feels better holding onto the device, since it's easier to grab onto with the indents on either end of the cover. It's wonderful, not having to worry about carrying around my charger everywhere. I ended up getting it from www.Gizmos2Go.com (http://www.gizmos2go.com/xcart/search.php?mode=search). They were out of stock when I ordered it, but were very nice about keeping me up to date on the progress. Although, it's available elsewhere, so shop for the best price ... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Li-Ion+battery+High+Capacity+3150+jasjar.
Another alternative I use is to use a mini-USB "batter extender" that works with 4AA batteries. It's worked well with the Universal with Li-Ion batteries. Here's a link to one of these types of chargers ... http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...ries-power+accessories~item~USB-BATADPT01.htm.
I know these aren't nearly as much fun as making one yourself, but they both have worked well for me. Anyways, I hope this helps someone make a decision.
olliesshop said:
I had the same problem of not having enough battery capacity, especially since the original battery starting going bad (it would shut down at about 50% charge, lasting only 30-60 minutes). So I had the choice of getting the original battery for about $25 with shipping or getting the 3150mAh Li-ion Battery for $35 with shipping. I got the 3150mAh about a month ago and have been very pleased with it. It easily lasts 4 hours under full load and I could go a whole working day under normal use ... amazing !!! Also, it actually feels better holding onto the device, since it's easier to grab onto with the indents on either end of the cover. It's wonderful, not having to worry about carrying around my charger everywhere. I ended up getting it from www.Gizmos2Go.com (http://www.gizmos2go.com/xcart/search.php?mode=search). They were out of stock when I ordered it, but were very nice about keeping me up to date on the progress. Although, it's available elsewhere, so shop for the best price ... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Li-Ion+battery+High+Capacity+3150+jasjar.
Another alternative I use is to use a mini-USB "batter extender" that works with 4AA batteries. It's worked well with the Universal with Li-Ion batteries. Here's a link to one of these types of chargers ... http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...ries-power+accessories~item~USB-BATADPT01.htm.
I know these aren't nearly as much fun as making one yourself, but they both have worked well for me. Anyways, I hope this helps someone make a decision.
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Hey thanks ollie, this helps a lot. I really like external power, 4AA batteries are nice. I can use my AA 2700mAh battery and 4 of them will make the Universal last a long time. I really like my 1800mAh battery and with this external power idea i can use my universal for a long time. I use my universal in my car, office and work. I am mostly using my headset so make/answer calls. So I could stick to the 1800mAh and put my universal in a leather case and belt clip and carry it around. While i want to play games or chat on msn i can hook up the external AA batteries and the batteries will be in my pocket while i am using the universal.
Yes thats the one and last thing i want to know. If the cable is long enough to hide the AA external batteries... atleast 60-100cm
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Nuclear,
Your project really intrigued me. Do you have any pictures of your work in progress or finished product? Thanks.
I have a Sino battery from eBay, insanely cheap (something like £16 shipped) with the bulgy cover. Works brilliantly.
I'm amazed by some of the claims of poor battery life. I make very little use of my device, but I also seem to get 4 days+ of standby/occasional use with this battery installed! As in, take it on holiday, show it to people, make a couple of calls, play a couple of games, bit of WiFi in the pub - that sort of thing - and it had 39% charge after four days.
Pyrojester said:
As you make the wires thinner, they will get hotter/the resistance of them will go up, causing more power consumption
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I think nuclear means shorter, not thinner - reducing any resistance
So I just purchased this power pack: Amazon Link
Price: $19.99
I've tried it all, from carrying spare batteries to the power packs that you plug directly into your micro-USB on your phone. And I think eventually I found exactly what I needed. And for cheap too.
This thing is listed at 5000mAH...dont know how accurate it is, but compared to the other ones listed on the market (name brand ones are around $50-60), I don't really care if it was like 4000mAH.
If you're on airplanes / trips alot, let me tell you that this is ALOT more convenient than carrying around a spare battery, waiting for your phone to die, and then turning it off, taking off the case and swapping it out. And you don't have to worry about getting a third party battery that holds a crappy charge, you get to use your OEM battery for everything. Not only that, but this thing comes with TWO USB ports, so you can charge yours and a friends. Even if they have an iphone or something.
It's the only thing that ensures you can keep using your devices for hours and hours without having to worry about running out or having to stop what you're doing to make a battery swap or something.
Good find. I will be ordering one n trying it out. Thanks!!
I bought one of those probably a year ago just thinking it would be a handy thing to have & I've never used it once LOL
be sure to check out the new trent offerings. Absolutely excellent.
jmorton10 said:
I bought one of those probably a year ago just thinking it would be a handy thing to have & I've never used it once LOL
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haha yeah like i said it depends on your situation. I always wanted something like this but couldn't justify spending $60 dollars. But considering spare batteries are $10. And you're getting enough juice to charge your phone 2.5 times over, i think a $20 price point sounds amazing. Even if you will only use it 3 times a year when you travel.
...its kind of like the tablet dilemma most people have. Most people don't use tablets enough to justify $500. But make a $200 tablet (hello nexus), and all of a sudden you wouldn't mind having it even if it sits on your end table most of the time and you have it when you want it.
Been reading some of the other topics here trying to learn which is the best choice for an extended battery for the T989. I've seen praise going out to Anker and EC Technologies, an extended battery for the Galaxy Nexus, someone having decent luck with a battery with Chinese printing on it, etc.
So let's make this simple...
1. Is there a definitive list of which batteries have consistently shown better performance over others and have shown to do at or above the expected return compared to the stock battery?
2. Are there any particular companies/brands/etc to avoid at all costs? As in, so bad that even manufacturers of other below-par extended batteries can honestly brag about not being THAT bad.
3. From what I've read and learned, most non stock batteries don't support NFC. Are there any reliable extended batteries that do? Are there alternatives to keep NFC available even if the battery doesn't support it? I have a feeling the answer is no to the last one, but I could be wrong.
Not really battery related, but charging related...
1. I've come across a dual purpose charger with the Sprint name on it (via ebay). It plugs into a car but you can unfold prongs on it so it can be plugged into the wall. On the end (away from car adapter), there are two USB ports (one open, the other you can uncover when needed). Are those any good? Main interest here is the dual USB option as well as being able to use in a car or in a house.
2. I guess more importantly would be, are the accessories seen on ebay generally reliable (Buy It Now auctions, reputable sellers of course)? A lot of the car plugs I've seen look like I wouldn't have much to grab to pull on when needing to unplug it and that worries me. Also concerned about the quality/safety/reliability of the products and thus the question. If they are all pretty much "all the same" just different looks and such, but otherwise all safe, then that's great.
3. From #1.. Are there any reliable/reputable car/wall chargers that provide more than two USB ports? Like the idea of it being a single car/wall charging unit, but if it's two pieces (with more than two USB ports each), that works too.
Ever since getting and starting to use the T989... Wow, I wonder what I'm doing to cause it to need to be charged 20 times/day. (Not literally.)
For the record, I had made the slight boo-boo of getting a pair of the cheapo 'extended' batteries before reading up on them. Not too bad though, doesn't hurt to have spares. I saw a reference to recalibrating a battery, but when going into recovery mode, didn't see an option referred to for resetting the stats. Are there any decent guides for proper care of a battery? Best practices when first getting it, when to charge it, not charge it, etc.
Thanks for any help provided. Now off to enjoy my phone some more. Haven't talked much on it yet but hey, only had it about three weeks.
for your answer for number 3 there is an app called super beam if my memory serves me right and has a blue kind of wifi signal and should serve as a good NFC "alternative"
mycars12 said:
for your answer for number 3 there is an app called super beam if my memory serves me right and has a blue kind of wifi signal and should serve as a good NFC "alternative"
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By alternative, do you mean it's not NFC but serves the same purpose? I'll definitely check it out, as I can see the usefulness of NFC. Still would like to know if NFC itself can be accomplished when using a battery that doesn't support it. Actually, more of, wanting to understand it just enough to know if it's possible and how (if so) or why (if not). I hope that makes sense.
I had tried bump but that was a bit of a disappointment. Will try looking for 'super beam' and see if I can find it. Thanks.
Edit: Found it.
SuperBeam (com.majedev.superbeam), without a space in the name. Looks promising, will try it out.
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2. Are there any particular companies/brands/etc to avoid at all costs? As in, so bad that even manufacturers of other below-par extended batteries can honestly brag about not being THAT bad.
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Basically if its not a well known, reputable brand name (samsung) they have no reason to be truthful about mah
Most of the no brand batteries are equal or lower mah than stock.
If samsung could fit more mah in a battery of that size, why would they not?
For charger testing use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801608
Higher numbers = faster charging
The max the phone will pull from a good charger is around 800ma, usb ports on pc's are limited to 500, which equals slow charging
:edit: not sure if this deal is still going, but alot of people (myself included) got free galaxy nexus extended batteries here
http://slickdeals.net/f/5055866-FREE-Sprint-Galaxy-Nexus-extended-battery?
It is a little fat for closing the back fully
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Basically if its not a well known, reputable brand name (samsung) they have no reason to be truthful about mah
Most of the no brand batteries are equal or lower mah than stock.
If samsung could fit more mah in a battery of that size, why would they not?
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Profits come to mind. Could be that they intended to sell an extended battery but in the end never did (did they?) or wanted to leave room for improvements as a selling point in the future. I'm sure you know companies will do that sort of thing to stay in business.
When I asked about ones to avoid, I meant if there are any particular ones that are the bottom of the barrel, even among 'generic' batteries. Perhaps identified by the label itself even if it doesn't have an actual name on it. Would still love to hear feedback in regards to the more popular batteries, as I don't want to order a pair from Anker and then come across a group praising some other brand (for example) and of course, vice versa.
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:edit: not sure if this deal is still going, but alot of people (myself included) got free galaxy nexus extended batteries here
http://slickdeals.net/f/5055866-FREE-Sprint-Galaxy-Nexus-extended-battery?
It is a little fat for closing the back fully
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So aside from the back not closing 100% (or can it with some effort?) it works in the S2?
Edit: Found answer in Galaxy nexus battery, apparently it does. Ordering one as I update this post (shipping is $6.50, not a bad deal for battery and cover).
I modified my battery, with a file. The result is a less buldging door
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40550113&postcount=180
Oh and the cover is only for the Gnex, you have to use your stock t989 battery cover
In terms of 3rd party batteries, anker is supposed to be one of the better ones.
Search the forum for anker broke to get an idea if the "best" third party is any good
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I modified my battery, with a file. The result is a less buldging door
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40550113&postcount=180
Oh and the cover is only for the Gnex, you have to use your stock t989 battery cover
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Yeah I figured as much, still not a bad deal. I could probably sell the back on eBay, so that someone else ends up with it. Might not matter too much with the bulging door, as I'm using one of those 'Heavy Duty Rugged' cases. The one I got on eBay is item # 620107891193. Not really into the idea of doing anything to a battery, for fear of causing it to leak or something else which causes problems.
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In terms of 3rd party batteries, anker is supposed to be one of the better ones.
Search the forum for anker broke to get an idea if the "best" third party is any good
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Will do. Still need to check out that app you mentioned in the previous post.
When I first looked at the deal link you provided, the date alone had me thinking, "Oh yeah, this is likely long gone..." but decided that I had nothing to lose by checking it out. As you probably guessed by my last post, it's still good. Many thanks for that.
I am looking to swap from an LG V20 (H910) to the OnePlus 7 Pro... The main thing holding me back is a good extended battery for the new phone... With the LG V20, it apparently was one of the last phones that offered a removable battery, and this let it exchange the original 3,200 mAh for a 10,800 mAh battery, and just put on a replacement rear cover... While I know that this will not work on the OnePlus, they do have similar cases available for the iPhones that plug into the normal port and charge them through that port from an extended battery life battery-case...
My searches have so far come up negative, and this is the main issue preventing me getting the phone... I have very large hands, so I actually prefer the phone to be physically large anyway, makes me feel less like I am going to break it...
You help is appreciated
Surely Zerolemon will make one before long, but no word yet. They did one for the last few OnePlus phones, so it would reason the 7 Pro is on the list. Might try a DASH ready power bank, or wait for a WARP ready one to come out but having it built into a case is optimal for some.
I am genuinely interested in the use scenarios for these in modern phones. Do you travel a lot, need multi day use, play a lot of games, use it as a primary work device or actually talk on your phone a lot? I use my phone an embarrassing amount every day, probably more than I should but would not need something like this. Intrigued by demographic of accessories like this.
I have personally used them in the past but when phones were different.
I, too, am hoping zero lemon releases a battery case for the oneplus 7 pro. It's mainly for my prolonged usage of playing pokemon go.
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I am genuinely interested in the use scenarios for these in modern phones. Do you travel a lot, need multi day use, play a lot of games, use it as a primary work device or actually talk on your phone a lot? I use my phone an embarrassing amount every day, probably more than I should but would not need something like this. Intrigued by demographic of accessories like this.
I have personally used them in the past but when phones were different.
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@thetonyclifton I'll give you a good one.
I road ride, quite a bit (for a 50-something guy), I used to race, not that many years ago, so I still ride as far as my darn foot/nerve issue will let me, which can be 75+ (mi), on some weekends.
Here in the PNW, it's very easy to get into areas, even on a road bike where my service (ATT) "wanes" or just is completely gone (this is particularly bad when I go on a long MTB, which is less often).
Same for hiking around here, although I mostly just turn my cell off when I'm hiking, or leave it at home, just depends.
Anyway, if I'm out all day, say 6-8+ hours, on a ride/lunch-stop/ride, along those lines, and going in/out of coverage, it REALLY eats up my battery, FAST. I like to be able to rely on it, to check the weather six times, when it starts to look "threatening" later on, send a few texts, whatever, without wondering if I'm going to run out of juice, towards the end, that kind of stuff. This case would "fit the need", pretty much perfectly", as "one unit", rather than carrying a separate extra battery cable, etc (jersey pockets will only hold so much ;-]).
All that said though, I like using Qi receivers, having come from a LONG line of WinPhones that had the built-in, WAY back, so all my Android phones (Nexus 6, OP5T, OP6, now OP7Pro, the rest "trickled down into our family") have had a Qi receiver on them, behind a basic TPU case.
Occasionally, I carry slim-ish battery pack, with a Qi charging coil built into it, but that's also a bit much for a jersey-pocket.
If I had this type of pack, I'd install it, before long rides/hikes/etc, and and it'd solve my issue, of low-coverage being so darn tough on ANY phone battery, in one, nice, modular package. Not saying I'd buy one of these, 100%, but I'd definitely be a good candidate.
I do hear what you're saying, the "use case" for these having changed a LOT, say from 10 years back, there's no question about the overall advancement making these somewhat less "necessary".
On the other hand, I do like only having to charge my sports-activity watch every 3 days or so, that kind of "appliance-like" dependability is pretty cool; perhaps not necessary in a phone these days, but still pretty cool! I don't think anyone would "turn away" a 2-3 day phone, (say with 4-6hrs screen-on-time/day), if battery-tech evolved, in some rapid way, anytime soon
If this case had an Qi-coil built into it, then I bet it WOULD REALLY SELL, given the lack of Qi coil on the OP7-series, if anyone from ZeroLemon is listening...
So yeah, there's my diatribe, and perhaps some light on an "interesting subject", I suppose...
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@thetonyclifton I'll give you a good one.
I road ride, quite a bit (for a 50-something guy), I used to race, not that many years ago, so I still ride as far as my darn foot/nerve issue will let me, which can be 75+ (mi), on some weekends.
Here in the PNW, it's very easy to get into areas, even on a road bike where my service (ATT) "wanes" or just is completely gone (this is particularly bad when I go on a long MTB, which is less often).
Same for hiking around here, although I mostly just turn my cell off when I'm hiking, or leave it at home, just depends.
Anyway, if I'm out all day, say 6-8+ hours, on a ride/lunch-stop/ride, along those lines, and going in/out of coverage, it REALLY eats up my battery, FAST. I like to be able to rely on it, to check the weather six times, when it starts to look "threatening" later on, send a few texts, whatever, without wondering if I'm going to run out of juice, towards the end, that kind of stuff. This case would "fit the need", pretty much perfectly", as "one unit", rather than carrying a separate extra battery cable, etc (jersey pockets will only hold so much ;-]).
All that said though, I like using Qi receivers, having come from a LONG line of WinPhones that had the built-in, WAY back, so all my Android phones (Nexus 6, OP5T, OP6, now OP7Pro, the rest "trickled down into our family") have had a Qi receiver on them, behind a basic TPU case.
Occasionally, I carry slim-ish battery pack, with a Qi charging coil built into it, but that's also a bit much for a jersey-pocket.
If I had this type of pack, I'd install it, before long rides/hikes/etc, and and it'd solve my issue, of low-coverage being so darn tough on ANY phone battery, in one, nice, modular package. Not saying I'd buy one of these, 100%, but I'd definitely be a good candidate.
I do hear what you're saying, the "use case" for these having changed a LOT, say from 10 years back, there's no question about the overall advancement making these somewhat less "necessary".
On the other hand, I do like only having to charge my sports-activity watch every 3 days or so, that kind of "appliance-like" dependability is pretty cool; perhaps not necessary in a phone these days, but still pretty cool! I don't think anyone would "turn away" a 2-3 day phone, (say with 4-6hrs screen-on-time/day), if battery-tech evolved, in some rapid way, anytime soon
If this case had an Qi-coil built into it, then I bet it WOULD REALLY SELL, given the lack of Qi coil on the OP7-series, if anyone from ZeroLemon is listening...
So yeah, there's my diatribe, and perhaps some light on an "interesting subject", I suppose...
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Thanks. Yes that is interesting. I can see a use for people regularly away from a charger with very heavy use. People who work in the field etc too I guess. Though I think a good power bank would be better in quite a few of those cases too.
Enjoy the bike, great hobby.
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Thanks. Yes that is interesting. I can see a use for people regularly away from a charger with very heavy use. People who work in the field etc too I guess. Though I think a good power bank would be better in quite a few of those cases too.
Enjoy the bike, great hobby.
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@thetonyclifton Yep, no question, I could "work around" the issue, with a small/slim power bank type of deal, but the added-battery case, particularly IF it added Qi charging, would be an awesome option to have.
Thanks for the cycling comment, I enjoy it, immensely, riding-fast/skiing-fast (I used to race here, too) are sort of my Zen-moments ;-]
I've also traveled by bike (i.e. loaded touring bike), pretty extensively, which is another (albeit adjunct) use-case for topic at-hand.
Hobbies are a good thing, it's hard to have too many (although my wife might disagree ;-0)...
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@thetonyclifton Yep, no question, I could "work around" the issue, with a small/slim power bank type of deal, but the added-battery case, particularly IF it added Qi charging, would be an awesome option to have.
Thanks for the cycling comment, I enjoy it, immensely, riding-fast/skiing-fast (I used to race here, too) are sort of my Zen-moments ;-]
I've also traveled by bike (i.e. loaded touring bike), pretty extensively, which is another (albeit adjunct) use-case for topic at-hand.
Hobbies are a good thing, it's hard to have too many (although my wife might disagree ;-0)...
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A good Garmin or similar specific accessory for the bike might cut down on your need for phone use while out there...and be another thing to annoy your wife ?
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A good Garmin or similar specific accessory for the bike might cut down on your need for phone use while out there...and be another thing to annoy your wife
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Yeah, I've considered it, I have an old "Oregon XXX" unit I use, with good base-maps, for loaded touring, but I mostly just pull it out when I'm confused about something on a map, or similar, or I'm looking for someplace to buy groceries ;-]
If the Garmin or another bike GPS ever gets to a "decent enough battery life" (hmm, interesting that this is a cell-battery thread...), say a couple weeks worth, like 30-40 hours of riding, I'd be a lot more interested.
I like the fact that my "good old altimeter bike computer" runs for a solid 12-18 months, on a single coin-cell (wish it were a rechargeable, but that's tough with coin-cells), and just "counts my miles and climbing, basic stats", without fail.
I get a hard-time, in my fast riding group, for being a s/w-h/w engineering guy, but eschewing a "real GPS cycling computer", when darn near everyone else has their fancy Garmin's, or whatever ;-]
I do use an old Suunto Ambit 3 watch, for tracking my weekly riding, but it runs a good 30-40 hours, in "high GPS mode", and 100-120, in "low GPS mode", which is handy for touring, I can easily go a week without having to charge it.
For touring though, it'd have to be a step-up, still (from current GPS units-battery), maybe an ultra-low-GPS-screen-off-mostly "mode", or something like that, so it'd go for at least 5-7 days, without a charge. I'm often camped, and carrying an extra battery for my phone is enough, already, I don't want to carrying more, or even having to charge the GPS every or every-other day, that'd just be annoying, I'm a little more "back to basics" when I'm touring ;-]
I have a decent "general sense of direction", in most cases, and a pretty solid "visual route memory", so unless I'm exploring someplace new, I don't use maps when out riding, much anyway (solo exploring new streets/routes, perhaps), probably comes from years of backpacking and climbing, often off-route stuff, you sort of get a "feel" for how to dead-reckon stuff, or how to pick out a few landmarks, and keep yourself going the "general right way", I guess...
Or I'm a complete weirdo, which is possible, although my daughter seems to have the same sense, when we're bike touring (my wife could get lost in a subdivision though, and would admit to that;-]), she and I are the ones pouring over the map, and pointing at stuff, it's kinda' comical ;-]
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Yeah, I've considered it, I have an old "Oregon XXX" unit I use, with good base-maps, for loaded touring, but I mostly just pull it out when I'm confused about something on a map, or similar, or I'm looking for someplace to buy groceries ;-]
If the Garmin or another bike GPS ever gets to a "decent enough battery life" (hmm, interesting that this is a cell-battery thread...), say a couple weeks worth, like 30-40 hours of riding, I'd be a lot more interested.
I like the fact that my "good old altimeter bike computer" runs for a solid 12-18 months, on a single coin-cell (wish it were a rechargeable, but that's tough with coin-cells), and just "counts my miles and climbing, basic stats", without fail.
I get a hard-time, in my fast riding group, for being a s/w-h/w engineering guy, but eschewing a "real GPS cycling computer", when darn near everyone else has their fancy Garmin's, or whatever ;-]
I do use an old Suunto Ambit 3 watch, for tracking my weekly riding, but it runs a good 30-40 hours, in "high GPS mode", and 100-120, in "low GPS mode", which is handy for touring, I can easily go a week without having to charge it.
For touring though, it'd have to be a step-up, still (from current GPS units-battery), maybe an ultra-low-GPS-screen-off-mostly "mode", or something like that, so it'd go for at least 5-7 days, without a charge. I'm often camped, and carrying an extra battery for my phone is enough, already, I don't want to carrying more, or even having to charge the GPS every or every-other day, that'd just be annoying, I'm a little more "back to basics" when I'm touring ;-]
I have a decent "general sense of direction", in most cases, and a pretty solid "visual route memory", so unless I'm exploring someplace new, I don't use maps when out riding, much anyway (solo exploring new streets/routes, perhaps), probably comes from years of backpacking and climbing, often off-route stuff, you sort of get a "feel" for how to dead-reckon stuff, or how to pick out a few landmarks, and keep yourself going the "general right way", I guess...
Or I'm a complete weirdo, which is possible, although my daughter seems to have the same sense, when we're bike touring (my wife could get lost in a subdivision though, and would admit to that;-]), she and I are the ones pouring over the map, and pointing at stuff, it's kinda' comical ;-]
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Don't think you are a weirdo but think you are destined to be in the niche of a niche for these products ?
You have very unique use scenarios. Basically you need the stuff they give the military ? or for people who live off grid.
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I am genuinely interested in the use scenarios for these in modern phones. Do you travel a lot, need multi day use, play a lot of games, use it as a primary work device or actually talk on your phone a lot? I use my phone an embarrassing amount every day, probably more than I should but would not need something like this. Intrigued by demographic of accessories like this.
I have personally used them in the past but when phones were different.
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I currently have an LG V20, which at this point looks like it is going to be the last phone to ever have a removable battery, and switched it to have an 10,800 mAh battery instead (I even ebay'ed a replacement back cover, and man hacked it to have a hole for the new battery, this let the NFC continue working)
I have found that at first I can get about 2 days of normal use out of them when new, but after just a few months, I am getting down to just 20% or so at the end of the day... I prefer to just plug when I go to sleep rather than constantly topping off during the day... I think the original phone would only get me through about 1/3 of my day after just a few months, so I think phones should ship with 10,000 mAh batteries from the factory... I think that Energizer phone has the right idea, just a terrible implementation
Also as I mentioned, I have giant hands, and prefer to have a phone that doesn't feel like it could give me a papercut if I hold it too tight... I like my brick phone
Looks like Zero Lemon has no ETA for producing a case for the 7 Pro, lets hope that changes soon.
https://twitter.com/zero_lemon/status/1137919555760640000
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A good Garmin or similar specific accessory for the bike might cut down on your need for phone use while out there...and be another thing to annoy your wife
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Looks like Zero Lemon has no ETA for producing a case for the 7 Pro, lets hope that changes soon.
https://twitter.com/zero_lemon/status/1137919555760640000
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@graycatgrayhat Send them a "customer contact message", I did. The more they get, the more likely it is they'll produce one, particularly if they're "teetering" on their decision to make one for the OP7 Pro. Worst, case, you spent 60 seconds filling out a short-form...
Oh yeah, and ask for it to have a Qi coil, in the ZeroLemon pack, I REALLY think that would make this thing sell like hotcakes, given that it adds a LOT more than just a bigger battery runtime (wireless charging, while still having access to the USB port, something that is not really do-able with the current phone, my USB plugged with my cheesy, low-current-but-effective Qi coil, already, and I'd love to have it back...).
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Don't think you are a weirdo but think you are destined to be in the niche of a niche for these products
You have very unique use scenarios. Basically you need the stuff they give the military or for people who live off grid.
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Yeah, most of my friends would agree with you, I've been a niche cyclist/explorer, most of my life. My Dad is a geologist, and we spent many times in "odd spots" in various places in Alaska, checking out old mines, surveying new sites, driving HUGE heavy equipment (I drove a D9 Cat when I was 10, across a big river too, and could drive a loader and operate it, by the same age, along with other stuff, backhoes, forklifts and such, I'm definitely "odd").
I would say though, even though my use-cases might be viewed as sort of "fringe", I bet a LOT of people would like to get 2-3+ days, from any of the aforementioned devices, right?
I will say, too, that when I started bike-touring, in the early 90's, I had a little solar-grid, that would recharge AA or AAA batteries, very effectively. It was "ahead of its' time, fully-sealed and all, I still have it somewhere, although I haven't used it for a few years now. It kept my headlamp and the few other batteries I had, back then, charged along my first 5.5 week tour, just bumping along on the back of a pannier...
I sure wish they used AAA and AA (rechargeable) batteries for more devices, these days, you can get REALLY energy-dense models, that last for a LONG time, charges-wise, and then you can simply replace them, eh? Plus, you'd have less problems with a "cheap cell replacement battery from who-knows-where, hoping that it wasn't going to catch fire, the first few times you charge it).
I get that a AAA has a pretty big diameter, for most modern mobiles, but I think it would be close, really close, say in my OnePlus 7 phone, in terms of being able to "just slide in" a set, on one end or something, and still have room for a full rubber seal around the compartment...
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I get that a AAA has a pretty big diameter, for most modern mobiles, but I think it would be close, really close, say in my OnePlus 7 phone, in terms of being able to "just slide in" a set, on one end or something, and still have room for a full rubber seal around the compartment...
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Your uses are interesting, bit unusual, not odd just niche which make product development unlikely.
The disposal batteries in a phone are never going to happen. It's not the size of the battery it's the totally empty space needed to fit them in. Phone companies, not even 3rd party accessory manufacturers are also not going to trust degradable batteries with so much room for user error, poor contact connections and poor user practice to hook up to phones with heat and high voltage chargers.
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Your uses are interesting, bit unusual, not odd just niche which make product development unlikely.
The disposal batteries in a phone are never going to happen. It's not the size of the battery it's the totally empty space needed to fit them in. Phone companies, not even 3rd party accessory manufacturers are also not going to trust degradable batteries with so much room for user error, poor contact connections and poor user practice to hook up to phones with heat and high voltage chargers.
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Yeah, maybe. There are phones with >5000 mAh batteries now, although most of those aren't very optimized, to really take advantage of the extra longevity, the ones I've seen anyway.
I still think that people would be "elated", to be able to use their mobiles, full-tilt, for 2-3 days, and still have "enough juice left" to not stress...
I don't mean "disposable batteries", for the AAA, and AA, suggestions, I mean "rechargeable" ones.
It's pretty easy to buy high-quality, 3000+ mAH AA's, and similar AAA's, upwards of 1200 mAH now.
On the other hand, if I order a "random replacement LiIon cell", for my mobile, it's VERY hard to find one, aftermarket, that's of "known good quality", all the battery "re-packagers" have learned to put OEM-looking stamps on them, and even things like the "UL logo"...
Even IF you do manage to find a decent replacement, it's generally a HUGE pain to replace it, involving a lot of very precise cutting (glue around edges), sketchy prying, tugging, pulling, and swearing, trying to get a phone apart "enough", to slot the new battery in...
LiIon is a MUCH more dangerous tech to "get wrong" too, in terms of the line/signal that reports the temperature and charging-state, back to the input line, than NiMH.
Even so, there are also high-quality rechargeable AAA LiIon's out there, too, with even (obviously) higher energy-density, than their NiMH precursors, if you will.
I get that the era of "replaceable LiIon brick-batteries" has probably come/gone, but I think that a "standardized" battery, perhaps the newer AAAA (in NiMH or LiIon), with high-quality cells, at only 8.3mm diameter is "the candidate".
Or, maybe I'm just looking for "a solution without a problem", but I doubt it.
How many people pay some "random cell repair store" say $40-80, plus the cost of an "unknown LiIon brick battery", on a regular basis. I bet almost ALL of those people would be elated, if they could just undo a few screws, buy some decent (Panasonic, Sanyo, etc.) AAA or AAAA cells, pop-them-in, and go back to "full capacity", after 1.5 years of a mobile devices' life, for only say $10-15?
That "seems" like a pretty good, real-world scenario (well beyond my "niche" stuff), IMHO...
Good banter, BTW!
It's always "refreshing" to come over to XDA, from things like the ATT and OnePlus forums. There are some sharp people, who know the industry, on those boards, too, but "less so", on average ;-]
If I were writing much code anymore, I'd probably spend a lot more time on XDA, but I've moved over to the "evil Tech-PM" type of roles, although I am "that PM" who often jumps in and starts debugging stuff, or signs off on a code-review for check-in, which is sometimes appreciated, and sometimes just annoys people, it depends on the team(s) I'm working with...
What I"m really aiming for, is to find a tech-PM role that's mostly remote; I have a bad nerve injury, that prevents me from sitting or standing for any length of continuous time (although I can still put in a 2-3 hour ride, it's a "nerve neutral" position, for me, for about that length of time), so it's a "weird deal" to be a PM who's always "pacing around" meetings, even if I'm not presenting (presenting can make it easier, to stand-up/sit-down). I'm perfectly eligible for disability, although I just don't ever see that happening, I'm way too driven ;-]
I could probably be a moderator, in many places, but I like to "bring teams together" on tech-issues, even down to the individual-interface level (API, whatever), I find that much more satisfying, professionally, than doing "policing" ;-]
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I think the answer is actually in your narrative. Exactly because people will make ropey versions of replaceable batteries and in so doing make them more dangerous. Because the phone manufacturers lose the control over their phones exploding when that is someone else fault. And because replacing batteries even with great, safe after market versions will prolong the life of a device which they want you to replace every couple of years. It won't happen. People will love to have 2-3 day battery life and it might happen but so far the new features of a phone have been draining batteries at the same rate as their capacity, size and cost improvements have been made.
Good luck with the job. Sounds like you know what you want and what will work for you. I assume you live in the US. I don't. We have a welfare state and laws which (relatively speaking) protect people with disabilities a bit better. You should be able to work the amount you can and be helped to do so for as long as possible.
I bought the OnePlus 7 pro then realized there was no battery case. The current battery won't last. I hope zero ? will make one but not too bulky. This phone is great but the down size is it's battery size.
Newdery perhaps???????
Newdery. A brand I no almost nothing about. While searching for Oneplus 7 Pro battery case this brand popped up on amazon. I'd really love to give you the link but as a new person I cannot. Search Newdery Oneplus 7 Pro. Or just Oneplus 7 Pro battery case. You'll run into a few, but no lemon.
I came across the Newdery brand one over the weekend on ebay really cheap in new condition. Still haven't received it yet. Well I'll try and report back. If anyone still cares that is.....
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Newdery. A brand I no almost nothing about. While searching for Oneplus 7 Pro battery case this brand popped up on amazon. I'd really love to give you the link but as a new person I cannot. Search Newdery Oneplus 7 Pro. Or just Oneplus 7 Pro battery case. You'll run into a few, but no lemon.
I came across the Newdery brand one over the weekend on ebay really cheap in new condition. Still haven't received it yet. Well I'll try and report back. If anyone still cares that is.....
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There actually is a shimmer of hope. That hope comes in the form of the Oneplus 7T Pro. That and the 7 Pro have the exact same body style and fit like a glove. Maybe all this added attention might bring about a style battery case that will fit them both.
One thing to note is the (IR) laser autofocus rangefinder on the 7T is on the left of the lenses, on the rear of the phone. So you won't have any problem getting a 7T case fitting the 7 Pro. But if you have a 7T you can't use a 7 Pro case properly. Unless your willing to cut a whole I suppose.
So Ive just discovered that with the most recent update to my 8 Pro, OnePlus has completely disabled "warp"/"dash" charging on 3rd party charging cables. How do I know? Ive been using one since I got the phone, and have a brand new backup 3rd party cable as well to confirm my findings.
The reason I have a 3rd party cable is the distance from my night stand to my nearest outlet. The standard cable just isn't long enough. So when I got the phone I did some research and found that the cables I purchased were one of the few aftermarket cables available that actually supported dash charging. And they worked just fine. I could charge from 20 to 80 percent in about 25-30 mins, and the lightning symbol appeared, using these aftermarket cables. Now all of a sudden, after about 6 months with the phone, I cannot.
I thought the first cable may have gotten a short, so I went and grabbed my brand new backup, still in the original packaging, and plugged it in. Nope, only a sloe trickle charge. Then I started thinking "Oh no, did my power brick break??? So I went to the closet and snagged the original OnePlus Cable that came with the phone. Wala, warp charge reactivates.
It just seems absolutely rediculous to me that now I have to somehow try to find a genuine OnePlus cable that is at least 10 feet long and it will cost me a rediculous amount of money. Way to play the Apple game, OnePlus. Im pretty sure this will be the last OnePlus I ever purchase, if this is the behavior I am to expect from this company. Is is absolutely NOT OK to use tactics like this to advance sales if you ask me. Plus the price of OnePlus devices is less of a "Flagship Killer" and more of just a regular flagship anymore. As someone who started out with the OnePlus 2 and has watched this company grow, I would say that disappointed is the understatement of the year as to how I feel about the company these days. The fact that they locked out dash charge with a software lock is the final straw for me. Goodbye OnePlus ?.
I think there's actual reasoning why the cable is quite short, I'd have thought it a power issue, also substantially thicker.
Also their charger will be rated and tested to work with the phone, would you approve of someone using a third party component in your product? Of course not.
if you use a 3rd party charger/ cable and it develops a fault? First thing you're going to do is go back to OnePlus, chances are most end users would withhold the fact that they used a 3rd party charger / cable at all.
Not only that but what kind of a business would allow their party piece to be used with a cheaper and untested alternative?
I don't completely agree with it but I totally understand it.
From an ethical point of view and practical.
Are you charging your phone overnight? You stated night stand? If you are then you're going to cause a problem with your phone sooner rather than later anyway, couple that with a third party charger and your multiplying the possibility of failure and or unwanted issues.
Tbh by limiting the power your phone's taking they may actually be inadvertently prolonging the life of your battery..
Up to you if you carry on buying OnePlus, I think for the price (which is higher) you will have a very very hard time to find something similar, I'd put the 8 pro up against any phone in nearly any department, to stop using them because they're protecting their product? Lol come on, swallow that 3rd party pride.
Don't charge overnight, use the proper charger, be happier for longer :
I think it's not the cable
There is a bug in Android 11 all versions, beta and not
But it does not impact all users
I was in contact with the support and delivered some log details etc and they confirm me it's a bug and they will fix it with a software update
Basically it's Only charging with max 18 Watt then
As it does not impact all phones (no clue why) most of the people are still fine
That's odd, I'm currently using a 3rd Party 6ft cable and I can warp charge on Android 11. I currently use this one.
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I think there's actual reasoning why the cable is quite short, I'd have thought it a power issue, also substantially thicker.
Also their charger will be rated and tested to work with the phone, would you approve of someone using a third party component in your product? Of course not.
if you use a 3rd party charger/ cable and it develops a fault? First thing you're going to do is go back to OnePlus, chances are most end users would withhold the fact that they used a 3rd party charger / cable at all.
Not only that but what kind of a business would allow their party piece to be used with a cheaper and untested alternative?
I don't completely agree with it but I totally understand it.
From an ethical point of view and practical.
Are you charging your phone overnight? You stated night stand? If you are then you're going to cause a problem with your phone sooner rather than later anyway, couple that with a third party charger and your multiplying the possibility of failure and or unwanted issues.
Tbh by limiting the power your phone's taking they may actually be inadvertently prolonging the life of your battery..
Up to you if you carry on buying OnePlus, I think for the price (which is higher) you will have a very very hard time to find something similar, I'd put the 8 pro up against any phone in nearly any department, to stop using them because they're protecting their product? Lol come on, swallow that 3rd party pride.
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I think it's not the cable
There is a bug in Android 11 all versions, beta and not
But it does not impact all users
I was in contact with the support and delivered some log details etc and they confirm me it's a bug and they will fix it with a software update
Basically it's Only charging with max 18 Watt then
As it does not impact all phones (no clue why) most of the people are still fine
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So it turns out that they have disabled charging completely on 3rd party. I just came back to the phone after 4 hours on the 3rd party cable and the power level hadn't moved. Started at 24%, ended at 24%. So the 3rd party cable now only allows enough power to keep the phone in its current state, awesome.
And no, it makes no sense whatsoever that OnePlus would do this. This cable isn't under rated at all on power, in fact its an exact copy of the official OnePlus cable, red cable with white tips and all. All they did was reverse-engineer an original cable, and lengthen it. Its that simple. You can even tell looking into the plug ends that its an exact duplicate.
Theres nothing wrong with using this cable, its never even gotten warm when warp charging, it handles the power just as well as the original, same thickness and all. And the best part? The 2 pack of 12ft cables was just $14.99. Now thats a reasonable price for cables.
I even tried on my OnePlus Warp Car charger. Yep, 3rd party cable disables the warp charge there as well. The only way to charge with the 3rd party is to turn the phone off completely, in which case its a very slow trickle charge, taking literally 3 hours to charge up.
Welp, thats all the tests done. Guess Im just gonna go get my self an extension cord. Seems theres no other option now, the longest cord OnePlus sells is 150cm, or 6ft. Thats not good enough. Looks like Im resorting to getting the brick up and onto my night stand. To think I just warped charged on these 12ft cables literally 2 days ago Wed, Nov 11 was the last time it worked. Now even the brand new, never used cable didn't work.
Anyways, you guys are entitled to your own opinions but I really think this is a super shady move by OnePlus and I could never approve of it. Apples locked down ecosystem is exactly why Ive always hated Apple products and I could never own one, phone or otherwise. I like being able to modify my device and so Android is the obvious choice. And since the Android OS is Open Source, I think l should be able to use any cable rated for 30+ watts.
Its simple logic, and I am pretty sick of watching OnePlus SkyRocket in price anyways. There are better options these days and in a few years, when it is time, I can certainly say that I will be looking at other brands first.
12 foot cables? How far away is your bed side cabinet?
How long are your arms? Are you Dhalsim?
Jokes aside, I think 12 foot for 30watts is maybe pushing it a little. Do you happen to have a shorter cable? 6 foot maybe? Can't help but think that the length has something to do with it.
As a previous user just said, they noticed a bug and this will be fixed with an update, possible that they're looking into it.
Not sure buddy, time will tell or it won't.
It does sound like you just want to vent a bit.
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That's odd, I'm currently using a 3rd Party 6ft cable and I can warp charge on Android 11. I currently use this one.
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Length I think may be the decisive factor.
Longest cable I've ever seen officially provided with a device is the Kindle which I think may be 12 foot, but the wattage, amperage and voltage required is extremely low hence why it's ok to use.
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12 foot cables? How far away is your bed side cabinet?
How long are your arms? Are you Dhalsim?
Jokes aside, I think 12 foot for 30watts is maybe pushing it a little. Do you happen to have a shorter cable? 6 foot maybe? Can't help but think that the length has something to do with it.
As a previous user just said, they noticed a bug and this will be fixed with an update, possible that they're looking into it.
Not sure buddy, time will tell or it won't.
It does sound like you just want to vent a bit.
Length I think may be the decisive factor.
Longest cable I've ever seen officially provided with a device is the Kindle which I think may be 12 foot, but the wattage, amperage and voltage required is extremely low hence why it's ok to use.
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Honestly, its not about venting, Ive never seen this happen on any other android device nor have I ever even heard of it happening. Remember, length has nothing to do with it considering the FACT that I had warp charge using these 12 foot cables for 6 months up until literally Wednesday this week. I purchased the cables as soon as I purchased the phone, knowing my night stand is roughly 10 feet from the nearest outlet. Its just sad to see OnePlus use such a tactic when they were once the leading "Flagship Killer" manufacturer whos founding ideas literally opposed a situation in which you were forced to purchase from within a locked ecosystem and spend more money. They have literally become Apple, and its disgusting and goes against my morals as someone who believes that large companies already bleed us way too much. It literally goes against everything OnePlus as a company is even supposed to stand for. "Never Settle"? Yeah, right, that saying means NOTHING these days, and that's a cold, hard FACT.
wallacengineering said:
Honestly, its not about venting, Ive never seen this happen on any other android device nor have I ever even heard of it happening. Remember, length has nothing to do with it considering the FACT that I had warp charge using these 12 foot cables for 6 months up until literally Wednesday this week. I purchased the cables as soon as I purchased the phone, knowing my night stand is roughly 10 feet from the nearest outlet. Its just sad to see OnePlus use such a tactic when they were once the leading "Flagship Killer" manufacturer whos founding ideas literally opposed a situation in which you were forced to purchase from within a locked ecosystem and spend more money. They have literally become Apple, and its disgusting and goes against my morals as someone who believes that large companies already bleed us way too much. It literally goes against everything OnePlus as a company is even supposed to stand for. "Never Settle"? Yeah, right, that saying means NOTHING these days, and that's a cold, hard FACT.
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Do you think that it may have to do with the fact that warp is new too, it wasn't on any other device prior to the 8 pro?
I dunno, if it's solely down to money then I agree with you, but can see why they did it (business practice)
But if be interested to see if there's a science behind it and it's there's a safety aspect involved, if thats the case then they could have done you a favour.
It'd be good to get some concise clarity.
Wouldn't go as far to call OnePlus apple mate, Huawei and Samsung sure but definitely not OnePlus.
The don't really mind you unlocking your bootloader, Samsung has an efuse chip that breaks when you modify the device with Odin (Dev software)
Huawei have completely blocked bootloader unlocking.
OnePlus until recently actually had twrp on their website?
If you unlock your bootloader you can still send it back for warranty, that's pretty opposite to Apple.
Safety (if this is why they reduced power to 3rd party cables) is mandatory to any company, saying "screw it so what if they catch fire, our customer saved some money" isn't in line with any company.
I think you're jumping the gun there.
Let's see what transpires first, seeing as another user is using a third party 6 foot cable there is no evidence that they have done that.
Your 12 foot cables may not meet their standards, after all did OnePlus release a 12 foot cable?
Not from what I can tell.
Tbh mate they have no moral obligation to support 12 foot cables.
Not bashing you btw, just giving you an objective opinion.
I can see your point but without clarity we can't see why that decision was made, coupled with the fact that they don't support that length I can't see how we can without a clear and concise response from OnePlus.
My money is on the length and potential risk.
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Not from what I can tell.
Tbh mate they have no moral obligation to support 12 foot cables.
Not bashing you btw, just giving you an objective opinion.
I can see your point but without clarity we can't see why that decision was made, coupled with the fact that they don't support that length I can't see how we can without a clear and concise response from OnePlus.
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Well you do have a decent point here, OnePlus is definitely not as bad as a couple others, YET. However, I strongly doubt it was disabled for safety reasons. As I said, the cables have worked for the past 6 months on warp charge and theyve NEVER gotten even warm, always cool to the touch. Heat is always the first indication that something is being fed too much power, believe me. I build PCs and hobby-grade RC cars. I know the limits of current and wattage. 30 watts is nothing. Im used to pushing 2000 watts through short lengths of 10AWG wire. Even my LiPo charger dishes out 200W of charge power per channel and thats not even a super high amount these days, there are chargers capable of 1000 watts out there.
RC cars are a sure-fire way to push electronics to their very limit. Little machines that can out-run real full sized cars is nothing to sneeze at. But anyways, the parts that ever got warm durching warp charge were always the phone (slightly unless being used simultaneously), and the power brick (not bad but warmer than the phone on standby receiving warp charge). Both of these are completely expected and normal behaviors and have been for years now.
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Well you do have a decent point here, OnePlus is definitely not as bad as a couple others, YET. However, I strongly doubt it was disabled for safety reasons. As I said, the cables have worked for the past 6 months on warp charge and theyve NEVER gotten even warm, always cool to the touch. Heat is always the first indication that something is being fed too much power, believe me. I build PCs and hobby-grade RC cars. I know the limits of current and wattage. 30 watts is nothing. Im used to pushing 2000 watts through short lengths of 10AWG wire. Even my LiPo charger dishes out 200W of charge power per channel and thats not even a super high amount these days, there are chargers capable of 1000 watts out there.
RC cars are a sure-fire way to push electronics to their very limit. Little machines that can out-run real full sized cars is nothing to sneeze at. But anyways, the parts that ever got warm durching warp charge were always the phone (slightly unless being used simultaneously), and the power brick (not bad but warmer than the phone on standby receiving warp charge). Both of these are completely expected and normal behaviors and have been for years now.
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Aye I've been building PC's for decades myself, bit of a tinkerer, guess a lot of people are on XDA.
I've got a friend who does the RC racing cars, they're crazy fast, all Carbon parts, costs a small fortune too, interesting hobby, got my eye on the racing drones myself.
With the cable, bottom line from me is I don't know, I wish I understood the science more. Just seems long lol, plus it's a trick missed on their part for not releasing it themselves, I can't help but think maybe there's a reason for it? If not then pfft I have no idea, if they release a new 12 foot cable soon then we have our answer.
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Aye I've been building PC's for decades myself, bit of a tinkerer, guess a lot of people are on XDA.
I've got a friend who does the RC racing cars, they're crazy fast, all Carbon parts, costs a small fortune too, interesting hobby, got my eye on the racing drones myself.
With the cable, bottom line from me is I don't know, I wish I understood the science more. Just seems long lol, plus it's a trick missed on their part for not releasing it themselves, I can't help but think maybe there's a reason for it? If not then pfft I have no idea, if they release a new 12 foot cable soon then we have our answer.
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Ya, OnePlus releasing a 10 or 12-foot cable would just make me face palm like nobody's business ? lol.
Ya RC is fun as hell, probably the most fun an adult could ever have with a hobby. The community is amazing too, I race and bash with dozens of enthusiasts regularly just in my local area alone, we do everything from Monster Trucks to Rock Crawlers to Drift Cars to pro Racing Buggies. Just be sure to do your research. The Lithium batts aren't the same as the ones in our phones. They are incredibly power-dense and literally explode like a thermite grenade if mistreated. Luckily drone batteries are nowhere near the size of car and truck batts. My 6S LiPo is 6500mAH and 6S2P (Series-Parallel) configuration so thats 12 cells total. Its an incredibly violent and huge battery measuring 139(L)x48(W)x67mm(H) and weighs 900 grams. Its capable of burning right through 1in thick hardened alloy steel of class 12.9. Its a bad day if you set one of these guys off.
Its capable of 120 Amps of continuous current at 25 Volts (3000 watts) and bursts under 3 seconds of up to 200 Amps at 25 Volts (5000 watts). Its borderline ludacris technology. And these aren't even close to the most powerful LiPos available. Just be sure to understand that thanks to marketing, LiPo "C" discharge ratings are massively over rated and are false. Mine says 75C, which is BS, so they claim 487A continuous current when theres simply no way in hell. Tests have been done over the years to prove that C ratings are useless, so keep that in mind.
One Truck I own is the 1/8 Scale Arrma Kraton EXB. Ive put more than $1500 USD into it thus far, easily capable of 100+ MPH with appropriate gearing, capable of standing backflips, and can handle drops from 20 feet like it was just another drive home from work. Its an incredible machine, and I think you would like it. My 6S 6500mAH LiPo is responsible for powering it. Take a looksy at this review of the Kraton EXB from the second largest RC YouTuber:
https://youtu.be/DlVSj-zUlTY
wallacengineering said:
Ya, OnePlus releasing a 10 or 12-foot cable would just make me face palm like nobody's business ? lol.
Ya RC is fun as hell, probably the most fun an adult could ever have with a hobby. The community is amazing too, I race and bash with dozens of enthusiasts regularly just in my local area alone, we do everything from Monster Trucks to Rock Crawlers to Drift Cars to pro Racing Buggies. Just be sure to do your research. The Lithium batts aren't the same as the ones in our phones. They are incredibly power-dense and literally explode like a thermite grenade if mistreated. Luckily drone batteries are nowhere near the size of car and truck batts. My 6S LiPo is 6500mAH and 6S2P (Series-Parallel) configuration so thats 12 cells total. Its an incredibly violent and huge battery measuring 139(L)x48(W)x67mm(H) and weighs 900 grams. Its capable of burning right through 1in thick hardened alloy steel of class 12.9. Its a bad day if you set one of these guys off.
Its capable of 120 Amps of continuous current at 25 Volts (3000 watts) and bursts under 3 seconds of up to 200 Amps at 25 Volts (5000 watts). Its borderline ludacris technology. And these aren't even close to the most powerful LiPos available. Just be sure to understand that thanks to marketing, LiPo "C" discharge ratings are massively over rated and are false. Mine says 75C, which is BS, so they claim 487A continuous current when theres simply no way in hell. Tests have been done over the years to prove that C ratings are useless, so keep that in mind.
One Truck I own is the 1/8 Scale Arrma Kraton EXB. Ive put more than $1500 USD into it thus far, easily capable of 100+ MPH with appropriate gearing, capable of standing backflips, and can handle drops from 20 feet like it was just another drive home from work. Its an incredible machine, and I think you would like it. My 6S 6500mAH LiPo is responsible for powering it. Take a looksy at this review of the Kraton EXB from the second largest RC YouTuber:
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Haha that's mad. Brings out the inner child in every bloke in the world, you should try clay pigeon, most addictive hobby there is, I was hooked the second I tried it, I didn't miss a single shot on my first day out.
[email protected] I've seen actual cars sell for less.
I'll check out the vid, cheers
Also even if we've not solved the 12 foot OnePlus back step problem, you sound more upbeat and that's a start.
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Haha that's mad. Brings out the inner child in every bloke in the world, you should try clay pigeon, most addictive hobby there is, I was hooked the second I tried it, I didn't miss a single shot on my first day out.
[email protected] I've seen actual cars sell for less.
I'll check out the vid, cheers
Also even if we've not solved the 12 foot OnePlus back step problem, you sound more upbeat and that's a start.
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Don't get me wrong OnePlus is definitely still not impressing me right now. I considered alternatives before even buying the 8 Pro considering the price but ended up going for the innovative LPDDR5 RAM + worlds first high current wireless charging, but now this is pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. Guess we will cross that road when we come to it.
But RC discussions never fail to put a smile on my face, they truly are rediculous machines. You won't regret it. ?
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Don't get me wrong OnePlus is definitely still not impressing me right now. I considered alternatives before even buying the 8 Pro considering the price but ended up going for the innovative LPDDR5 RAM + worlds first high current wireless charging, but now this is pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. Guess we will cross that road when we come to it.
But RC discussions never fail to put a smile on my face, they truly are rediculous machines. You won't regret it. ?
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Might do, have other commitments first and if I start I know I'll be hooked.
Personally I think OnePlus is going to be the one to beat for many years to come.. I'm still hoping htc makes a comeback
Sony - boring, stupid DRM, poor battery, awful development.
LG- Mental, impractical, very poor battery, no idea on development, complicated device, impossible to implement on ROMs
Samsung - efuse chip, exynos chips on EU devices, awful all round, super expensive
Pixel - expensive, awful battery, not top tier hardware
What does that leave? The Chinese ones?
Yea I'll stick with OnePlus
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Might do, have other commitments first and if I start I know I'll be hooked.
Personally I think OnePlus is going to be the one to beat for many years to come.. I'm still hoping htc makes a comeback
Sony - boring, stupid DRM, poor battery, awful development.
LG- Mental, impractical, very poor battery, no idea on development, complicated device, impossible to implement on ROMs
Samsung - efuse chip, exynos chips on EU devices, awful all round, super expensive
Pixel - expensive, awful battery, not top tier hardware
What does that leave? The Chinese ones?
Yea I'll stick with OnePlus
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There was a sony I saw a while back that actually looked really interesting. I forget what its called but it had a perfect 21:9 aspect ratio and looked kinda strange at first but as I watched reviews it became more and more appealing. But yea, the battery - not so great lol.
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There was a sony I saw a while back that actually looked really interesting. I forget what its called but it had a perfect 21:9 aspect ratio and looked kinda strange at first but as I watched reviews it became more and more appealing. But yea, the battery - not so great lol.
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Think I know the one, quite old though was £900 at the time. Didn't sell very well
There is something i like about Sony phones but so much to dislike
I also lost warp on my el-cheapo 6ft cable. Then again, that thing is so thin I doubt I even want it to run warp lol.
There's only one real competitor I see for the OP8 / Pro. The ROG Phone 3 / Strix. Similar price, amazing hardware and cooling, great battery, I don't really see a downside to it lol.
lol
how dare oneplus force me to use their cable, which came included with the phone, for warp charging, a feature that's exclusive to oneplus chargers....:crying: they're just like apple!
lol if you cry any harder i might think you're stormviper
I have an 8 foot red cable (don't recall if I got it from 1+) but I can fast charge. I originally had one of those interchangeable USB and tips but all it would do was maintain the current charge. Those interchangeable tips are very convenient when you have a house full of type c, micro USB, and Apple products. I don't know why they would invoke such a procedure as preventing use of alternate charging devices, but it is one of the things I have come to dislike about OnePlus. I don't know if I'd feel comfortable buying another one of their phones, even though in other ways they are superior. I do not like Samsung at all and I'm disappointed that the Pixel phones aren't keeping up.