Right, as the title says.. I'm pretty new to this game and it's pretty frustrating, trying to trawl Google and this forum for something which can tell me about what a Radio Image is.
I want to use one of MoDaCo roms, which is used in the Online Kitchen as it's pretty nifty to pick and choose what you want, and what you don't! (I'm not so much of a fan of the Sense UI, been using another UI).
I'm confused about the Radio Image, being on Orange and in the UK, should I include the "32.41.00.32U_5.08.00.04" or, if I install the ROM without it, will my phone work properly, or get locked? I'm currently on "32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11".
Sorry for sounding like a newbie, it's because I am! But I'm getting there slowly
Dan.
Being on Orange you can't install any other radio than what your phone is provided with, shame really. You can purchase an unlock code and then flash any radio you want though.
Thanks for the clarification! Muchos appreciated. That's pretty strange, so after you purchase an unlock code, you can flash any radio, and it'll be unlocked for good? Now that's impressive
the radio is not the radio you think of like an fm radio
the software radio controls communications within the phone, this included GSM, 3G, WIFI, BLUETOOTH etc
with the latest roms this updated radio is required as it contains features the rom needs, an outdated rom will therefore not be compatible anymore.
remember that once flashing a radio to never interrupt the process, the phone will reboot several times by itself and seem to be turned off but once you've flashed the radio just do NOT touch it, it will restart itself i promise or else you could end up with a brick
yes with orange you need to first unlock your phone and then you can install whatever radio/rom your heart wishes
You're both stars, and that is exactly what I will be doing! Mm, I've never ended up with a HTC Paperweight, let's hope this doesn't occur!
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Hi all,
I am in the process of getting a Cingular 8525 after my old one was stolen. I am looking on ebay and see there are serveral 8525's for sale. One in particular has a TNT 2.0 ROM. From what I read it sounds very interesting and reliable.
I am very interested with the custom ROMs that can be installed on the phone. I have fully read the wiki help guide (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes) so I have a really well idea on how to do this. I only have a few questions hopefully I won't get flamed for.
1. Upgrading the rom is as easy as running the utility? Lets say I bought a phone that came with factory rom. I would just use the RUU follow the instructions and phone gets flashed?
2. I also read about a CIM Unlocker which leads me to my next questions. I really don't need the SIM unlocker since I will be using the same provider but good to do so anyways just incase. But the CID unlocker states "you will be allowed to flash ANY Hermes Shipped ROM" this means that I first have to use the CIM unlocker to even flash/cook any custom ROMs?
3. "Shipped Radio ROM" I don't quite understand what this is. the wiki states "The radio ROM provides improvements on the GSM radio stack and this has effect on GSM signal, AT command interface, GSM data modem (3G, GPRS, EDGE, HSDPA, etc...) functionality that is controlled by the Radio Interface Layer (RIL). The radio stack has nothing to do with WiFi or bluetooth -- it is only for the GSM/WCDMA part of the device."
Would I really need to worry about this if I install a custom ROM? Meaning won't the ROM have the latest radio? Or if a new Shipped Radio ROM gets released I can upgrade it without it interfering with the current ROM I have (etc TNT 2.0)?
Sorry for the extremely long post, but I like to fully understand everything before I make a huge purchase like this. Any help is extremely help. Thanks in advanced.
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Hi all,
I am in the process of getting a Cingular 8525 after my old one was stolen. I am looking on ebay and see there are serveral 8525's for sale. One in particular has a TNT 2.0 ROM. From what I read it sounds very interesting and reliable.
I am very interested with the custom ROMs that can be installed on the phone. I have fully read the wiki help guide (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes) so I have a really well idea on how to do this. I only have a few questions hopefully I won't get flamed for.
1. Upgrading the rom is as easy as running the utility? Lets say I bought a phone that came with factory rom. I would just use the RUU follow the instructions and phone gets flashed?
2. I also read about a CIM Unlocker which leads me to my next questions. I really don't need the SIM unlocker since I will be using the same provider but good to do so anyways just incase. But the CID unlocker states "you will be allowed to flash ANY Hermes Shipped ROM" this means that I first have to use the CIM unlocker to even flash/cook any custom ROMs?
3. "Shipped Radio ROM" I don't quite understand what this is. the wiki states "The radio ROM provides improvements on the GSM radio stack and this has effect on GSM signal, AT command interface, GSM data modem (3G, GPRS, EDGE, HSDPA, etc...) functionality that is controlled by the Radio Interface Layer (RIL). The radio stack has nothing to do with WiFi or bluetooth -- it is only for the GSM/WCDMA part of the device."
Would I really need to worry about this if I install a custom ROM? Meaning won't the ROM have the latest radio? Or if a new Shipped Radio ROM gets released I can upgrade it without it interfering with the current ROM I have (etc TNT 2.0)?
Sorry for the extremely long post, but I like to fully understand everything before I make a huge purchase like this. Any help is extremely help. Thanks in advanced.
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I'll just keep it pretty basic.
1. Most all of the cooked ROMs do use an RUU to install. So those are a basic "click to install" setup.
2. You have two options to flash any non-native carrier or cooked ROM. The first option is to CID unlock. The second is using the HardSPL method. The CID unlock is permanent, whereas the HardSPL method is not.
3. 90% of the time, cooked ROMs don't include the radio. So, that means it keeps your old radio intact on the phone. If you're having connection issues, try flashing more updated radio ROMs and test. Usually helps.
Hope that helps.
Just what I was looking for. As for the CID Unlock vs. HardSPL why wouldn't I want to use the CID Unlock vs. HardSPL which is not permanent?
th3oriesfus3d said:
Just what I was looking for. As for the CID Unlock vs. HardSPL why wouldn't I want to use the CID Unlock vs. HardSPL which is not permanent?
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I've sent you a PM.
TaurusBullba said:
I've sent you a PM.
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Why? Aren't we worthy enough to hear the answer?
burkay said:
Why? Aren't we worthy enough to hear the answer?
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No, don't be silly.
The question has been asked and answered so many times already I wanted to keep this thread short and let it "die off".
But! Since you asked, CID unlocking will void your warranty. Using HardSPL will not since it allows you to flash any ROM despite your CID status (locked or unlocked).
when im flashing big roms i am told to flash a rom like at&t rom to clear and refresh the phone, but since i done that, although the phone is better with big roms, the battery aint so good, reading the forum, i been told its due to the radio, im on orange uk (hermes 100) can i flash the official orange uk rom when preparing for installing big rom instead of at&t, does it do the same job? also being on orange uk, whats the best radio version? thanks
I usually stick with my operator radio rather than some other radios. Flash your orange one, and see if it helps with the drain. Radio usually depends on your location, what might work for someone might not work for you. So you just have to pick a couple and try using them for a while to figure out if they do any good.
Also try not to flash too many radio, as it is very risky. Use SD Card method to flash radio always, just to be safe.
based in ireland here,but use the same phone from orange,the orange rom will do the job for you fine,the orig radio is 116..... or somthing so as the previous poster said try a few but be very careful,,,,sd method is the way to go,oh and it seems that our phones can be damaged by radios above 50 stick with 38,48 etc
Any Idea what is the best radio for Asia????
say... singapore ; malaysia; philippines???etc
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when im flashing big roms i am told to flash a rom like at&t rom to clear and refresh the phone, but since i done that, although the phone is better with big roms, the battery aint so good, reading the forum, i been told its due to the radio, im on orange uk (hermes 100) can i flash the official orange uk rom when preparing for installing big rom instead of at&t, does it do the same job? also being on orange uk, whats the best radio version? thanks
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I totally agree on the fact that flashing the radio part is risky. even more (but it is personal) i am reluctant to use a radio rom above 1.47 Without beeing absolutely sure, i got the impression that the majority of bricked devices occured with radio roms in the range of the 1.50 and up. My understanding is that, to increase sensitivity, they also increased the power used by the radio chip. This could lead to problems.
What i would do: flash a radio rom corresponding to your needs (by SD card method. It is a "best practice") In europe, i never had any problem with 1.47 roms (acceptable battery drain). Then i would do (and i do ) my "temporary" flashes with the ATT stripped rom (available somewere on this forum) it does not include the radio part. So it is safer (and quicker).
Hope this helps
Edit: here is the stripped rom: http://www.4shared.com/file/61372397/e2bf76c0/official_ATT_WM6_striped.html
I have been happily flashing ROM's, creating a Goldcard for a couple of weeks since getting my Hero and have just done a Radio update. I just realised I have no idea what the Radio update actually does.
Could someone explain in fairly simple terms what it is all about, I guess I have cat blood and curiosity has got the better of me
Sure. The radio update flashes the software on the little 'chip' that deals with mobile network/GPS/WiFI/Bluetooth etc. (basically all communications).
The update changes the software to a newer version, which can give better signal and battery life (It's a bit like flashing a normal ROM, except it's only for the communications hardware or baseband as iPhone users call it).
For more info, see http://android.modaco.com/content/h...-update-zip-format-for-gsm-hero/#entry1059164 which also gives you a list of them
Thanks for the prompt reply and simple terms. I am almost getting to the stage where I am qualified to make a phone call
Ah, great, I was wondering about this too. Is there any difference which radio rom you flash apart from GSM/CDMA? (My Hero has a suspicious "EU" in it which the roms I've seen online have not. Might just be some versioning, but then again it might be "europe"...)
How do you update your radio? Do you have to wipe?
EU doesnt mean europe, it is a way of identifying the radio version, like there is JU, JH, etc.
I found this out from other sources in the mean while (and forgot about this thread; it's been a couple of weeks after all), but thanks for replying anyway, it'll surely help the next guy wondering.
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How do you update your radio? Do you have to wipe?
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In the link posted a few posts up, you'll find the radio updates in the update.zip format needed to update via recovery mode, like any other custom ROM flash to your phone. However, Radio updates are typically included in the official RUU updates as well, but those will obviously unroot your phone.
Aside from increasing battery life/signal strength, radio updates can bring bugfixes and features. Newer OS ROMs typically work best with the latest Radio ROMs. After I rooted, I had an "EU" radio on my Telus Hero, and I couldn't make long distance calls unless the phone number had a "+" in front of it in my contact list. Updating the radio fixed that. Hope this info helps.
yeah it helped
But i dont understand the order of updating. First i transfer the update of the ROM to the phone and call it update.zip and the flash that ROM. But then i have to boot up the phone, to transfer the new radio and boot that.
Can it be true that i have to boot the phone and then tranfer the new radio, and the go into bootloader and flash the new update.zip?
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yeah it helped
But i dont understand the order of updating. First i transfer the update of the ROM to the phone and call it update.zip and the flash that ROM. But then i have to boot up the phone, to transfer the new radio and boot that.
Can it be true that i have to boot the phone and then tranfer the new radio, and the go into bootloader and flash the new update.zip?
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OK. Well, the file doesn't *have* to be called update.zip. The recovery image has an option to choose a zip file, which makes things much much easier, as you can flash several files without rebooting, although I believe you have to reboot as part of the radio flash process. With this in mind, I would flash the OS update first, then the radio update. However, it really doesn't matter what order you flash them in. While the OS and radio rely on each other for the phone to operate properly, they are completely separate and individual from a flashing standpoint. They both get flashed in the exact same way from the recovery image, however with the radio, rebooting the phone is a necessary part of the process. If you were (for some dumb reason) to flash the radio and then remove the battery before the phone had completely rebooted, you'd end up with a broken (and possibly bricked) phone.
I wouldn't flash a radio without having an os installed, so if you have wiped then flash an os first. Just to make sure everything goes smooth.
A new radio file won't install until you do the first boot after installing which from memory is forced on you, so you will want to have a rom installed.
Thanks for the information about radio, quite useful. I have tried several ROMs lately but haven´t touched the radio yet. I guess if update to more recent one can improve battery and signal as it has been mentioned before.
I will try and see how my Hero behaves
jsampedro said:
Thanks for the information about radio, quite useful. I have tried several ROMs lately but haven´t touched the radio yet. I guess if update to more recent one can improve battery and signal as it has been mentioned before.
I will try and see how my Hero behaves
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Yeah once again just make sure you install the radio for your phone type.
E.g. GSM (I am guessing as you are on this forum and not he sprint one)
Lennyuk said:
Yeah once again just make sure you install the radio for your phone type.
E.g. GSM (I am guessing as you are on this forum and not he sprint one)
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So basically you just have to watch out if the radio is for GSM or CDMA and then you are good to go?
alpha124 said:
So basically you just have to watch out if the radio is for GSM or CDMA and then you are good to go?
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Yes
And don't panic when it takes up to 5 mins to boot first time.
Radio update
HI ALL
please ,if i flah the radio , i loste des root ?.
And please wish methode to flash wihtout lost the root
PS:I have the hero
thanks for help
flashing radio doesn't do anything to the rom, you won't lose your root.
thanks Lennyuk,
Please you confirm that if i flash only the radio ,the root is not pacted ?
Sorry for my bad english and my bad request
what is the best radio to use
just try different ones and flash the correct RIL and u will see wich one is good for you...
i use the radio for my build (base)
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Subjective.
And depends entirely on your current set up.
What works well for one person may not work well for you.
The honest and most accurate answer is whichever radio works best for you on your phone with your ROM on your Network in the locations you use the phone in.
Plus add-in battery vs performance to all that too.
Give each at least a days trial though.
To be honest the reason i asked is today i have trouble recieving texts today since i instaled tashak rom i an recieve calls send text and make calls but i cant recieve text...
I though maybe i had corrupted my radio i am usihg 26.4.02.17.m2
Sorry, I don't believe that is radio related.
But there really is no harm in trying a new radio. I'd start with the newest and work back (unless the ROM dev recommends a radio in which case start with that one).
i was worried about trying anything newer as i heard you cannot downgrade is that correct ?
As long as you have Radio S-OFF (and I'd also recommend ENG S-OFF) then you can play till your hearts content.
That's why I'm happy to start with the newest.
Thank you for your help i think i will just go for the newest, I just have to find the newest one could you possibly point me in the right direction
No worries.
Radio thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877295
Feel free to hit the thanks button if any of my ramblings have been useful / helpful
I have been having
Issue 1:
In the past 2-3 weeks, when I am on a phone call I am able to hear the other person, but they are not unable to me.
This does not happen every call, just some, both inbound and outbound.
I have tried multiple ROMs but it does not seem to help (ROMs tested: CM7, Virtuous Doubleshot v1.0.1 and RCMix3D KINGDOM)
If it matters, I'm with VodaFONE in Australia, but this happens even when I have full coverage.
Looking at the whole next to the micro usb port it seems to be clear.
Is this a software or hardware issue? Is there anything I can do to fix it besides un-root and RMA?
Issue 2:
While listening to music or watching a movie, my phone will start to use "voice search" without me prompting it to.
Is this a common issue or something that I can easily fix? (I have no real need for this, so if there's a way to uninstall it, I really wouldn't mind).
If I need to un-root and RMA I will, but I would prefer not to. If there is other information requested, just ask and I will do my best to answer.
kernels And Radio
Have you tried changing radio and kernel of the phone??
Flash a newer radio and change the ril's in the rom you're using to fully utilize the new radio properly.
You may be using an older radio, and the rom probably is probably using ril's for a newer or different radio than what's installed on you device, thus causing your issues.
flash it back to original and send it to Vodafone, because this sounds like a bigger problem....
Freak2011 said:
flash it back to original and send it to Vodafone, because this sounds like a bigger problem....
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I dont think the problem is quite that big. It doesnt seem like a hardware fault because if it was a hardware fault then it would be most if not all calls that are affected if the microphone didnt work. He says that it is only some which leads me to believe it is a software error. A different radio and matching RIL's should fix it.
Look on the ROM description page of the ROM you are using and install the radio that it recommends. It will already have matching RIL's for it.
... a lot of people do the downgrade to 1.32 to root, and forget to update the radio when they start using custom rom's built off newer builds that originally come with newer radio builds...
mind you, the op's problems are some of the lesser that i've come across... quite tame actually
If you're using the RCMix Kingdom Rom, use Radio_12.56.60.25_26.10.04.03_M
Thanks for all the help. Will try flashing a new radio and shall come back here to say if it worked or not.