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Send/Receive every 5 minutes?

Anyone know how to send/receive in outlook WM6 every minute? Every 5 minutes seems a bit slow.
Cheers George

Hi!
Why not to use ICQ for so frequent communication?
I have configured send\receive every 10 minutes in ¨working hours¨ and every 1 hour for ¨non working hours¨.

Sorry, ICQ??

Is there any particular reason why you'd want S/R every minute?
It would have a pretty major impact on battery life, and also potentially cost a lot more in data charges, because even if there are no messages, there would be some handshaking/polling
If immediate access to email is needed, you would be better to subscribe to an Exchange Hosted service, giving 'Push' mail, calendar and contacts. Costs about £40 per annum, plus about 4MB data per month for the connection (which is less data than 1 minute polling would use)

I didn't know it can affect battery performance. I use web n walk so data charges aren't really a factor.
I just want to receive emails quicker than every 5 minutes thats all. I don't get this direct push technology email stuff?
I have 4 imap4 accounts set up. Can i use mail2web to make these all push? I want to keep my email addresses, don't want a @mail2web address instead.

Hi all,
Do you know where is the setting in WM6, where to put the PUSH mail address? In WM5 I put there the EMAIL2SMS email address that my operator gave me, and when I receive an e-mail, the exchange server of my operator sends me this special EMAIL, that is received like SMS, that tells my phone to connect to the exchange server and to sync. No need to sync on particular time, or the connection to be always on. In WM5 this option is in ActiveSync>Menu>Schedule>(a second blue link under the "peak times" link).
I don't know I explain this right, but if you ever used this future on WM5, you should know.

efrost said:
Hi!
Why not to use ICQ for so frequent communication?
I have configured send\receive every 10 minutes in ¨working hours¨ and every 1 hour for ¨non working hours¨.
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how can you manage different configurations? i can only select one duration!

mentox said:
Hi all,
Do you know where is the setting in WM6, where to put the PUSH mail address? In WM5 I put there the EMAIL2SMS email address that my operator gave me, and when I receive an e-mail, the exchange server of my operator sends me this special EMAIL, that is received like SMS, that tells my phone to connect to the exchange server and to sync. No need to sync on particular time, or the connection to be always on. In WM5 this option is in ActiveSync>Menu>Schedule>(a second blue link under the "peak times" link).
I don't know I explain this right, but if you ever used this future on WM5, you should know.
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That is an old implemention of 'Push' email, and is not supported now that later WM5 (MSFP) and WM6 supports proper Push email direct to your inbox.
You would need to speak to your provider for more specific instructions.

macmacman said:
I didn't know it can affect battery performance. I use web n walk so data charges aren't really a factor.
I just want to receive emails quicker than every 5 minutes thats all. I don't get this direct push technology email stuff?
I have 4 imap4 accounts set up. Can i use mail2web to make these all push? I want to keep my email addresses, don't want a @mail2web address instead.
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Fair enough about the Web'n'Walk
There will be a battery hit, though I'm not sure how much.
To keep your own email addresses, you would need to pay for a Push Email subscription, and even then, I think you can only use one of your own addresses, so probably not for you.
It might be an idea to look into WebIS Flexmail. Apparently it can handle push using IMAP accounts. There is some info Here in a thread on 4WM. Towards the bottom are some posts by Alex of WebIS explaining it.

why don't you try those push services like http://live.mail2web.com/ ?

ww2250 said:
why don't you try those push services like http://live.mail2web.com/ ?
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or emoze at www.emoze.com

gmail push

Does push Gmail require my data connection to be on all the time? If so, how much battery drain does a constant data connection cause?

kgeissler said:
Does push Gmail require my data connection to be on all the time? If so, how much battery drain does a constant data connection cause?
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no. ur using activesync so u have d choice of setting it to manual sync, or interval or immediate (always on)
if ur using edge, expect 8-9 hours.
3g, 6 hours top.

I’d just like to add my 2 cents in this so that people don’t get turned off by push email…
I happen to connect to an Exchange Server via Active Sync for my email. For 14 hrs a day, it’s set to sync “as items arrive” (i.e. push). During the night, I set the sync schedule to “manual”.
I get a moderate amount of emails each day and I have to say that I’ve not notice a substantial battery drain relative to an IMAP connection that polls every hour.
Push email doesn't require a constant connection as if you're always downloading something. It's more of a "pulse" connection. Try to research a bit into exactly how push email works and you'll see what I mean...

There are two ways to push gmail (or two that I've used recently). One is the new gmail sync, which is an Exchange server. Using that method, I was getting about 8 hours of battery.
The other method is the System Seven beta. I used this for a year+ on my Moto Q before gmail sync became available. I don't know how System Seven works -- it's not Exchange and it's not IMAP. But it works. It seems to be more reliable and quicker than gmail sync, at least for now. It never has gmail sync's problem with passing through attachments. On my TP2, with Seven, I can turn Direct Push off in Comm Manager, and I get more than 24 hours of battery. The only funny glitch with Seven is that on the TF3D home messaging tab, in the little envelope on the screen, instead of showing the beginning of the message, it says, "Click to view message." But that's o.k.; I wouldn't read messages on that screen anyway.
I recently switched back from gmail sync to Seven, and for now it's better. I expect that in a short while, gmail sync will iron out some bugs and become more responsive, and maybe I'll switch back.
One feature that neither of them have, and I'm dying for: The ability to synchronize flags, to mark a message as "Follow up" in Pocket Outlook and have it star the message in gmail. Gmail sync allows the flag, and it will sync with Outlook, but not directly with gmail on the web.
System Seven is here: http://community.seven.com/main.php
It's free and seems likely to remain so...

Battery vs direct push email from Gmail

So I am wondering, is it a huge battery drain to use the direct push email function? I just flash a few days ago, and while I have only been thru about 4 cycles on my battery, when I set up my email I am using the exchange sync for email too from google.
Anyone know what is better on the battery? no email push and set up for checking for new email every 30 min or just have the direct push going?
Thanks,
jeff

In the typical scenario, Push is WAY better for your battery juice, especially since you probably do not get mail all the time. For example, if you set the POP retrieval for every 30minutes, then you're going use juice every 30 minutes whether you have mail or not, because just popping your mail account is going to use juice. With push, you only use juice when there is mail.
On the other hand, if you get hundreds of messages a day, everyday, all day, then popping might be better since you could retrieve them in batches.
FWIW, I have 13 e-mail accounts. When I set my XV6800 to POP the maximum number of Outlook Mobile accounts, which is 6 (and that limit sucks, BTW) every 15 minutes, the battery didn't even make it to the end of the work day. When I went to a Push setup, even for ALL 13 accounts, that low battery problem went away.
Hope this helps.

xv-6800 said:
In the typical scenario, Push is WAY better for your battery juice, especially since you probably do not get mail all the time. For example, if you set the POP retrieval for every 30minutes, then you're going use juice every 30 minutes whether you have mail or not, because just popping your mail account is going to use juice. With push, you only use juice when there is mail.
On the other hand, if you get hundreds of messages a day, everyday, all day, then popping might be better since you could retrieve them in batches.
FWIW, I have 13 e-mail accounts. When I set my XV6800 to POP the maximum number of Outlook Mobile accounts, which is 6 (and that limit sucks, BTW) every 15 minutes, the battery didn't even make it to the end of the work day. When I went to a Push setup, even for ALL 13 accounts, that low battery problem went away.
Hope this helps.
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And how did you do that with 13 accounts?

lol. you can only have one email account configured to exchange at any one time!

AMoosa said:
lol. you can only have one email account configured to exchange at any one time!
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I have 5 different e-mail addresses going to one google account (setup to exchange on my phone), so 13 isn't impossible.
Means i don't miss e-mails coz i forgot to check them.

AMoosa said:
lol. you can only have one email account configured to exchange at any one time!
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Use google as your push account and then use the POP retrieval service in google to aggregate your other accounts.
My god Google will rule the world one day! I heard they have a feature coming soon called "Google Charging" that will be AWESOME! lol j/k

xv-6800 said:
In the typical scenario, Push is WAY better for your battery juice, especially since you probably do not get mail all the time. For example, if you set the POP retrieval for every 30minutes, then you're going use juice every 30 minutes whether you have mail or not, because just popping your mail account is going to use juice. With push, you only use juice when there is mail.
On the other hand, if you get hundreds of messages a day, everyday, all day, then popping might be better since you could retrieve them in batches.
FWIW, I have 13 e-mail accounts. When I set my XV6800 to POP the maximum number of Outlook Mobile accounts, which is 6 (and that limit sucks, BTW) every 15 minutes, the battery didn't even make it to the end of the work day. When I went to a Push setup, even for ALL 13 accounts, that low battery problem went away.
gHope this helps.
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so I thank you for your input, it makes sense what you are saying, I am one of the lucky ones ai only have a work email and only one personal email.
my battery is doing much better now after a week. I will stick with the push thill for a while.
thanks too all
jeff

Are you saying that you previously were popping at intervals, and now you're pushing instead, and you see better battery life?
Interesting how the Help on the phone AND on Google's site says the exact opposite! Those morons who wrote that are either complete idiots or they're trying to steer us away from Push for some reason.

karandras24 said:
I have 5 different e-mail addresses going to one google account (setup to exchange on my phone), so 13 isn't impossible.
Means i don't miss e-mails coz i forgot to check them.
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Goes to show how thinking outside the box works wonders, doesn't it?
One thing I do NOT like about using Google for this is that they have a statement that says that they do not guarantee any intervals on their end on POPPING, so it often takes over an hour to receive an e-mail. Verizon's Wireless Sync does the same job but pops every 15 minutes.
I wonder if it would be different if I had the 3rd party accounts automatically forward copies of messages to the gmail accounts. Does Google handle directly sent messages faster?
Edit: Yep, setup my other accounts to forward to my gmail account, instead of having the gmail account POP the other accounts, and now I get pushes within seconds! Yeee-haaaw!

Windows Live-driven Push Hotmail killing battery, making phone warm/hot

I wasn't able to get Google Sync to push emails to my phone, so I bit the bullet and forwarded my Gmail accounts to my Windows Live Account, because I could then get push email on my TP2 using the Windows Live app.
I assumed that email would be pushed to my device through MS servers, thus saving battery life by not having the phone check for mail every minute. And to some extent, this is what I think is happening. But the battery life SUCKS now! I surf the web on my phone and listen to music for about 4-5 hours a day. The rest of the time, it's inactive in my pocket while I'm at work, and is charged every night.
But with Windows live mail on, the phone gradually gets warm while playing music (Microfi nitrogen) and gives me low battery warnings by 7PM. Normally I could go 1.5 days without a recharge.
Here are my Windows Live Settings:
Sync Options --> Sync Email (ticked)
Sync Schedule --> As Items Arrive
Sync Times ---> Always
These seem to be fairly standard, and nothing power-intensive. Does anyone have an idea as to why my battery life has dropped off a cliff? Thanks.

don't really know, but I noticed that I had my phone checking G-mail, regular hotmail, and yahoo every 30 minutes. Battery from full morning charge, would be at 1 bar by 9pm. This is w/ normal use, using BT for an hour, 10 phone calls or so.
I thought that the Push concept only applied to MSFT Exchange server. You may be emulating 'push' using the other accounts, but I'm not sure if its the same. I'd just change your sync settings to like 2 hours and observe it, not the best thing, but it'll give you a better idea. Thats what I've had mine at now all day and the one bar hasn't dropped off yet..

aniym said:
I wasn't able to get Google Sync to push emails to my phone, so I bit the bullet and forwarded my Gmail accounts to my Windows Live Account, because I could then get push email on my TP2 using the Windows Live app.
I assumed that email would be pushed to my device through MS servers, thus saving battery life by not having the phone check for mail every minute. And to some extent, this is what I think is happening. But the battery life SUCKS now! I surf the web on my phone and listen to music for about 4-5 hours a day. The rest of the time, it's inactive in my pocket while I'm at work, and is charged every night.
But with Windows live mail on, the phone gradually gets warm while playing music (Microfi nitrogen) and gives me low battery warnings by 7PM. Normally I could go 1.5 days without a recharge.
Here are my Windows Live Settings:
Sync Options --> Sync Email (ticked)
Sync Schedule --> As Items Arrive
Sync Times ---> Always
These seem to be fairly standard, and nothing power-intensive. Does anyone have an idea as to why my battery life has dropped off a cliff? Thanks.
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Using the push email features means that the phone keeps a constant connection to the Internet servers, transferring data continuously. That eats up the battery. I had the same symptoms when I set up Activesync to use push email from my gmail account. I stopped using push (which worked fine - when gmail got a new message, I IMMEDIATELY got a push email) and went back to manual checking. I don't use my gmail for primary email anyway, I was just checking the capability.

but i thought the point of push email, at least when using a WindowsLive/Hotmail account was that MS servers were doing the work of checking my account for new mail, and then notifying me only when I had new mail to check, kinda like an SMS alert. That is supposed to take the strain of checking continuously off of my device.
I had a BB Bold 9700, and this is how push email is supposed to work. Blackberry's Enterprise servers check all their users' mail accounts for new mail continuously, and push notifications to the users when new mail arrives.
It's very disappointing to know that this sort of system is not possible on the TP2. I switched to it from the 9700 because the surfing experience was better, and I liked the customizability, but lately I've been regretting my decision to switch, seeing as how seamless and fast BB OS 5.0 is compared to WM, which, even after downgrading to 6.1 and disabling, is sluggish to the point of annoyance.
Honestly, I had a Samsung Blackjack II with WM Standard 6.1, and it often felt faster than my TP2.

aniym said:
but i thought the point of push email, at least when using a WindowsLive/Hotmail account was that MS servers were doing the work of checking my account for new mail, and then notifying me only when I had new mail to check, kinda like an SMS alert. That is supposed to take the strain of checking continuously off of my device.
I had a BB Bold 9700, and this is how push email is supposed to work. Blackberry's Enterprise servers check all their users' mail accounts for new mail continuously, and push notifications to the users when new mail arrives.
It's very disappointing to know that this sort of system is not possible on the TP2. I switched to it from the 9700 because the surfing experience was better, and I liked the customizability, but lately I've been regretting my decision to switch, seeing as how seamless and fast BB OS 5.0 is compared to WM, which, even after downgrading to 6.1 and disabling, is sluggish to the point of annoyance.
Honestly, I had a Samsung Blackjack II with WM Standard 6.1, and it often felt faster than my TP2.
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The blackberry is designed fro the start to do push; the WM platform is designed as a portable computer, to which they have added push capabilities. I'm not really sure how the BB connects to push, but I suspect that it is not via what we would normally call an Internet connection. If you really need push, then I'd suggest either going back to BB or getting an extended battery.

stevedebi said:
Using the push email features means that the phone keeps a constant connection to the Internet servers, transferring data continuously. That eats up the battery. I had the same symptoms when I set up Activesync to use push email from my gmail account. I stopped using push (which worked fine - when gmail got a new message, I IMMEDIATELY got a push email) and went back to manual checking. I don't use my gmail for primary email anyway, I was just checking the capability.
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It is my understanding that exchange push only connects when it receives a 'wake up' message from the server.
I use exchange push 24/7 and the few times that I have turned it off, I noticed no difference in battery life.

worwig said:
It is my understanding that exchange push only connects when it receives a 'wake up' message from the server.
I use exchange push 24/7 and the few times that I have turned it off, I noticed no difference in battery life.
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I think the issue is with the gmail push system. I suppose if one is using an actual MS Exchange mail system at a company it may work better.

Same with me when I have it set to "as items arrive" drains the battery fast !

I have Gmail push set up through ActiveSync and notice no impact on battery life. If anything, I get better battery life than when I had email set up as IMAP and checking the server every 30 minutes.

dwboston said:
I have Gmail push set up through ActiveSync and notice no impact on battery life. If anything, I get better battery life than when I had email set up as IMAP and checking the server every 30 minutes.
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Wow, I wonder why mine doesn't do that. Are you syncing just email or other data as well?

stevedebi said:
Wow, I wonder why mine doesn't do that. Are you syncing just email or other data as well?
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Just email. No contacts or calendar - I sync those from my PC at home.

My Touch Pro 2 uses about 2 Meg a day just in keeping the heartbeat alive for Windows Live with only the hotmail service active.
I worked this out as Windows Live runs as a service which is hosted by services.exe. If I monitor the bandwidth usage of services.exe, it works out to be about 2 Meg a day. (Verfied that hotmail was the only thing going through services by turning off hotmail and verifying that bandwidth usage of services.exe didn't increase.
I'm more concerned about bandwidth usage of Windows Live. However, I'm assuming that bandwidth usage = heat and battery life which are issues that started this thread.
Can anyone else confirm that they are seeing similar bandwidth usage just in maintaining the heartbeat?
Does anyone know how to reduce the heartbeat frequency? As that would reduce bandwidth usage, heat, battery life etc.
Thx. Paul

How to disable google push mail

Hi Guys
Have some question
In order to use the market i had to define google email account.
I don't want to work in the push mode with the google email, so i disabled the google sync through "Accounts & sync", but i want to receive google emails every 4 hours.
So i defined the google email account under Mail and defined to receive email every 4 hours.
Problem:
The problem is that because the Google sync is disabled i can not get the google emails every 4 hours.
Question:
Is there any solutions to disable the push google mode and work with 4 hours
email check.
Thanks for the assistance.

alegator23 said:
Hi Guys
Have some question
In order to use the market i had to define google email account.
I don't want to work in the push mode with the google email, so i disabled the google sync through "Accounts & sync", but i want to receive google emails every 4 hours.
So i defined the google email account under Mail and defined to receive email every 4 hours.
Problem:
The problem is that because the Google sync is disabled i can not get the google emails every 4 hours.
Question:
Is there any solutions to disable the push google mode and work with 4 hours
email check.
Thanks for the assistance.
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Not too sure, but I would think receiving email every 4 hours would still require it to be running in push mode? Which would explain why you need sync to be turned on.
Not 100% sure, and would be interested to hear other opinions or solutions to your problem.

In addition i put attention on additional issue,
When my Google sync is ON i receiving emails in push mode to the gmail application , and the strange issue that these emails are not updated on the "MAIL" screen (where i configured the gmail account).
Hope the issue is clear ....

have you defined the gmail app in the mail app as POP, IMAP or Exchange?
DOn;t use POP.
But the sync in Gmail and the mail app should not be related to each other whatsoever. Mine works fine when i set it up to IMAP.
of course, make sure you have always on mobile turned on and have the internet enabled, otherwise all should be gravy....

alegator23 said:
In addition i put attention on additional issue,
When my Google sync is ON i receiving emails in push mode to the gmail application , and the strange issue that these emails are not updated on the "MAIL" screen (where i configured the gmail account).
Hope the issue is clear ....
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I actually get notifications of emails much faster in the Gmail app than I do in the default Mail app. Gmail would instantaneously notify me of any new mail as soon as one is sent. For the default Mail app, it takes at least 5-10 mins before it does that.
I'm not sure if it's because for the default Mail app, the shortest interval you can select for receiving data is 5mins, but for the Gmail app, it's either turned on or off, which might make it instantaneous.

rhedgehog said:
have you defined the gmail app in the mail app as POP, IMAP or Exchange?
DOn;t use POP.
But the sync in Gmail and the mail app should not be related to each other whatsoever. Mine works fine when i set it up to IMAP.
of course, make sure you have always on mobile turned on and have the internet enabled, otherwise all should be gravy....
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Of course the mobile connection is turned ON. (common )
The gmail accoun in the mail app is configured as IMAP.
Any other suggestions are welcome.
Thanks

midamsax said:
I actually get notifications of emails much faster in the Gmail app than I do in the default Mail app. Gmail would instantaneously notify me of any new mail as soon as one is sent. For the default Mail app, it takes at least 5-10 mins before it does that.
I'm not sure if it's because for the default Mail app, the shortest interval you can select for receiving data is 5mins, but for the Gmail app, it's either turned on or off, which might make it instantaneous.
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This is the issue that i don't want to use the push ( which is the fastest way to receive email), i just want simple gmail configuration which will connect to the mail server every 4 hours and download the messages.
BTW the push requires much battery use (not sure).

alegator23 said:
This is the issue that i don't want to use the push ( which is the fastest way to receive email), i just want simple gmail configuration which will connect to the mail server every 4 hours and download the messages.
BTW the push requires much battery use (not sure).
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I think for the Gmail app, it has to be push. Is there any reason you wouldn't want to use the default Mail app, sync to your gmail account, and set the retrieve interval to be 4 hours? That would solve your issue, would it?

Did the same. Just create an Exchange Acc - Sync every X mins/hours (or Push if you want to).

Eggcake said:
Did the same. Just create an Exchange Acc - Sync every X mins/hours (or Push if you want to).
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Pardon my ignorance, but how do you create an exchange account for google?

Eggcake said:
Did the same. Just create an Exchange Acc - Sync every X mins/hours (or Push if you want to).
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Pardon my ignorance, but how do you create an exchange account for google?
*Update*
I found some good instructions here:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138740
It's for the iphone but applies to android as well

alegator23 said:
BTW the push requires much battery use (not sure).
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I dont think this is true, due to push email, makes the server from google to basically push email, if there is no email, it doesnt use internet every 4 hours to connect to google server to look for new mail therefore saves battery, while downloading 1 by 1 when they come is equivalent to getting a lot of email at once, for example 1 email every hour = 4 email at once every 4 hours.

patasenko said:
I dont think this is true, due to push email, makes the server from google to basically push email, if there is no email, it doesnt use internet every 4 hours to connect to google server to look for new mail therefore saves battery, while downloading 1 by 1 when they come is equivalent to getting a lot of email at once, for example 1 email every hour = 4 email at once every 4 hours.
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I am not sure it's correct if you gets everyhour 1 email and you need to download it every hour, then i think it's better to connect once and download all the emails (once in 4 hours). But it's not important, i just want to be able to configure the mobile phone according to mine requirements.
Thanks for the respond.

The main reason to disable the push mail, is to disable the night emails.
Is there any possibility to disable the push during the night.
Thanks