Wi-fi Teathering - Desire General

Hi all,
Even though I have had my desire on Orange since it came out and I rooted it as soon as I can I am still working my way around it.
Ive heard mentioned quite a lot wifi tethering. From what I have figured out it makes the desire a wi-fi hot spot and u can find it as a hot spot on your pc, is this correct?
Now the main question which all ways revolves around money, is this classed as using your phone as a modem and as such will be charged £4 a meg http://www2.orange.co.uk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=OUKPersonal&c=OUKService&t=Service&cid=1044128222320&tab=2&mid=1137070319732
or will it be included as part of my mobile internet package with orange?
I really dont want to start using it and ending up with a huge bill from orange.

They won't know if you're tethering or not. Those prices seem very old as well!

I've used my phone "as a modem" in the past when I'm in a pinch (DSL and Cable go out at once..) and never had to upgrade. They don't seem to notice or care too much.
That being said. If you started killing it, using GBs and GBs it would be trivial to capture a sample of your traffic and see a Firefox or Chrome UserAgent, or some other protocol known to be on desktop OSes only. Then you could be for it. Never heard of this happening though, yet.

Those prices are very old - IIRC those prices were in effect 3 or 4 years ago, and were the reason I switched from Orange to T-Mobile.
To be honest though, the Orange 500mb data limit for mobile internet is pathetically small in the first place, so I'd only tether briefly and sparingly if I were you.
Regards,
Dave

You may say they are old but they are still there prices, I phoned up and asked them. The reason why is because they want people to use the dongles instead of the phone.
From the looks of it no one knows then, well with regards to Orange anyway. Ill be sticking to my O2 £15 a month rolling dongle contract then, lucky i get my work to pay for it as erm expenses lol

Related

Did I Have Free Internet on T-Mobile Dash?

Today I upgraded my OS to Kavana 6.1 release. I love it.
I hardly ever (read: pretty much never) use the internet on the phone, but with the old T-Mobile official Dash 6.0 system (not hacked), I used to be able to access the internet and I thought I was charged on a per usage basis (but never really checked). In any case, I know for a fact I could access the internet on the old OS and I don't pay a monthly charge for it and it's not part of my plan.
So after I upgraded today, I could not get access to the internet at all. Checked the settings in the phone, checked T-Mobile's website, everything was set up right, but kept getting an error.
So I flashed back to the T-Mobile official release, and once again, I could access the internet. Checked all the settings, wrote them down, flashed back to Kavana. No internet.
Called T-Mobile. Didn't tell them I flashed to Kavana, but told them I suddenly didn't have internet access and asked for help. They said I don't have internet access because I don't pay for it, and T-Mobile does not have per data usage access, and there was nothing they could do unless I wanted to pay $20/month.
Can anyone tell me why this might have been and how I can get back the access I used to have?
As an aside....any way to get T-Zones working without paying for internet access (don't have time to search right now, yes I'm lazy, too!)
Thanks in advance for responses.
Jesus Gixxum, is it that time of the month for newbs. I've heard of this before at Howard Forums when I first got my dash. It's kinda an error on Tmobiles Part. It worked for some in the past like almost a tease when they first got there Dash's. The people eventually lost the free internet. It's like in Office Space when they fire Milton. They fixed the glitch at payroll. So, in either case be happy your weren't charged per kb. No there is no free way to get Internet even with Tzones. The cheaper way is the 5.99 Hack. (USE THE SEARCH) But personally if you want weather and newsfeeds etc. constantly updating. Pay the 19.99 or miss out.
Good luck in your decision or oh I don't have your Swingline stapler.
The $5.99 Tzones plus the proxy hack is the best option.
Pig Vomit said:
Today I upgraded my OS to Kavana 6.1 release. I love it.
I hardly ever (read: pretty much never) use the internet on the phone, but with the old T-Mobile official Dash 6.0 system (not hacked), I used to be able to access the internet and I thought I was charged on a per usage basis (but never really checked). In any case, I know for a fact I could access the internet on the old OS and I don't pay a monthly charge for it and it's not part of my plan.
So after I upgraded today, I could not get access to the internet at all. Checked the settings in the phone, checked T-Mobile's website, everything was set up right, but kept getting an error.
So I flashed back to the T-Mobile official release, and once again, I could access the internet. Checked all the settings, wrote them down, flashed back to Kavana. No internet.
Called T-Mobile. Didn't tell them I flashed to Kavana, but told them I suddenly didn't have internet access and asked for help. They said I don't have internet access because I don't pay for it, and T-Mobile does not have per data usage access, and there was nothing they could do unless I wanted to pay $20/month.
Can anyone tell me why this might have been and how I can get back the access I used to have?
As an aside....any way to get T-Zones working without paying for internet access (don't have time to search right now, yes I'm lazy, too!)
Thanks in advance for responses.
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Yeah back in 07 when I first got my Dash for about 2 months I had free internet too. But that was when I was still using 5.0 Wow. 5.0. That was a year ago. Lol. It sucks how I meet people with the Dash that don't know what they can do with it. I knew this guy that had his phone for months and didn't know he had WiFi. We were on a college campus with free wifi everywhere.
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Yeah back in 07 when I first got my Dash for about 2 months I had free internet too. But that was when I was still using 5.0 Wow. 5.0. That was a year ago. Lol. It sucks how I meet people with the Dash that don't know what they can do with it. I knew this guy that had his phone for months and didn't know he had WiFi. We were on a college campus with free wifi everywhere.
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It was more than 2 months. It was pretty much the entire time I've owned the phone (about 15 months), but like I said, I never use the net through my phone (I work in a car and it's got a mounted laptop with HSDPA internet connectivity). So it's not worth 5.99 to me, much less 19.99. I don't frequent the forums much since I switched to Dash from MPx220 so wasn't sure if this had been brought up before. Seems like since I can flash back to T-Mo 6.0 and have free access there should be some way to hack it, but that's not something I'm capable of myself. Just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion in case people weren't aware.
It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you... PSYCHE! But seriously you can easily scrape that up in 30 days. Either way you'll be stealing from the provider but I guess it wouldn't be as bad if you paid a little. I've never had the 20 dollar a month one but I think it's faster. That's what some people say.
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It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you...
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Ok, here's my address:
Cheap Bastard
1313 Mockingbird Lane
Munsterville, Transylvania, 66666
Nah, I like the sliding screen and faster ROM. Besides, it's not about me! Just trying to help.
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It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you... PSYCHE! But seriously you can easily scrape that up in 30 days. Either way you'll be stealing from the provider but I guess it wouldn't be as bad if you paid a little. I've never had the 20 dollar a month one but I think it's faster. That's what some people say.
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Nope not true, its the same speed whether you use the T-Zones plan and do the proxy configuration or instead use the 20 dollar plan, you will not notice any difference in speed.
Well then what would be the point in paying the 20 dollars?
You're all kinda missing the point of this thread, not that your posts aren't appreciated. It's not how or whether to use the T-Zones hack, it's that the official T-Mobile 6.0 OS 1.22.531.4 allows free internet, and by reinstalling that OS I get it back. Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on why that is, and perhaps figure out how to get it to work with 6.1. I suspect it DID have something to do with T-Zones, as I could access T-Zones to check my minutes, etc., with the old system, but not with 6.1.
I don't care enough about internet on the phone to pay for it, but it was nice to know that it was there and available in an emergency just in case....
BTW, I'm in Southern California.
You were not getting FREE internet. You were geing charge per KB. T-Mobile has a page showing the configuration needed to get MMS and internet to work. jdoggraz has a link to the page in his sig.
nhung said:
You were not getting FREE internet. You were geing charge per KB. T-Mobile has a page showing the configuration needed to get MMS and internet to work. jdoggraz has a link to the page in his sig.
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Tried them, don't work. T-Mobile says they don't have a per KB charge for data.
Don't know how or why, but I am on flexpay, had internet for the first 3 months (the full 19.99 one) only for the rebate, cancelled it as I don't use it that much. They don't charge me anymore and it still works. Going on my 4th full month of all internet working without being charged for it, I called them multiple times to make sure I wasn't being charged and it wasn't activated and they insisted I must have been on a free wi-fi signal. Despite me knowing how to turn wifi on and off, and being in the dead center of a call center that blocks wifi and has no residences or other businesses within 4-500 meters...
I'm also on my 2nd rom, was on WM6 from here, think it was the HTC one, now using one of Kavanas, just using the regular settings. I really think it's a glitch in their billing/provisioning system.

Internet Tethering

Quick question, for those of you who have used tethering, do your carriers charge you extra over your cellphone data plan? I am planning on getting this phone and Softbank are saying that when tethered to a computer, internet traffic to/from the computer will be charged separately - around $100 for 100mb.
How are the carriers able to detect that there is a phone tethered, and is there a way to hide it, so it looks like the data is coming from the phone.
Thanks!
jeeez 100$ for 100mb :O
most of the providers wont charge you anything if you go over the limit couple times, if it will repeat they will limit the time you can access the internet.
my friend used tethering from his nokia n85/86 not sure which one and orange didnt charge him anything extra
My main concern is how they can detect that the data is coming/going to the computer and not the phone. Anybody out there with ideas?
hmm
In short, they can't tell the difference. I've been tethering for years, with 3, Vodafone and T-Mobile, and they have never said a thing. I've downloaded video from usenet, bittorents, ftp and iPlayer and far exceeded the fair use policies. Still, not a murmur.
If they did try to monitor where the data was going to, it would be a fairly simple matter to get around it, so I guess they don't bother.
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In short, they can't tell the difference. I've been tethering for years, with 3, Vodafone and T-Mobile, and they have never said a thing. I've downloaded video from usenet, bittorents, ftp and iPlayer and far exceeded the fair use policies. Still, not a murmur.
If they did try to monitor where the data was going to, it would be a fairly simple matter to get around it, so I guess they don't bother.
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You're lucky!
I once downloaded 8 GB overnight (thought I was using wi-fi ) and got an angry letter from T-Mobile saying if I do it again they will cap me ... That was ... 2 years ago and I have upgraded since then and migrated contracts, I wonder if it still stands ...
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I once downloaded 8 GB overnight
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Ok, so maybe 8GB in one night is just a little bit excessive. Impressive, but excessive ;-)
Maybe just stick with the SD versions when tethered from now on...
profet said:
Ok, so maybe 8GB in one night is just a little bit excessive. Impressive, but excessive ;-)
Maybe just stick with the SD versions when tethered from now on...
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Blame the uni wi-fi! Since then I'm afraid to even get to 500 MB!
Don't your providers cap your speed when exceeding a specific limit?
Here in germany you will get capped when u exceed your limit, like 200, 500, 1000, 2000 or 5000MB /month. Then you only get GPRS-speed.
Sucks, but better than paying 100$ and i never ever used more than 500mb a month, yet.
I suppose once I get the phone, I will download a 10mb file, and see if they change the billing. Better to be safe than end up with a crazy bill.
I have always assumed they didn't know you were tethering, but every time I ask someone from Softbank they are adamant that I will be charged excessively for tethering use - and they do not offer a flat rate amount for tethered data.
Hey, I am also in Japan. Just got my Desire and was thinking of tethering ... Any result from your test? Extra charges?

On T-Mobile UK , tethering is included with all contracts!

Dont know if this has been mentioned before here, but just realised that T-Mobile UK explicitely allows tethering ! See here http: //support.t-mobile.co.uk/discussions/index?page=forums&topic=80103803ac7b7fd01276dd2137000728a
Thats awesome, for 10 quid a month I have my Desire mobile phone and I don't need a separate broadband dongle when on the move with my laptop. I tried it already under Win7, just need to install HTC Sync, connect the Desire using USB, and it works!!
Depends on your contract.
This is from the fair usage pages on the t-mobile website:
Pay monthly plans which include internet on your phone on an Android phone You'll need internet coverage, check it at t-mobile.co.uk/streetcheck. Remember that you can only use your internet on your phone Booster in the UK and you can't use your phone as a modem or use web'n'walk Plus for peer to peer file sharing, or making internet phone calls. *Internet on your phone comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month. We'll monitor how much you send and receive each calendar month so that we can protect our network for all our internet on your customers. If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much. As your phone is always connected to the internet, if you remove your internet on your phone Plus Booster from your account you'll automatically be charged up to £1 every day. That £1 a day rate has its own fair use policy and other legal stuff, which you can see here: t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/#fup5.
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https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/?WT.mc_id=fup#fup2
just read that thread.....that t-mobile guy says that tarriffs including wnw plus do include tethering, but t-mobile do not give those tarriffs out any more....the current tarrifs just include 3GB of data, and not tethering.
I spoke to a store salesman and a very competent techy. both said that tethering is included in the contract`s 3gb limit on android.
hmmm, i'd still like to wait and see, cos the new contract i just signed up for quite clearly says no on the T&Cs on the website.
course, my old web and walk plus one has no such issue
Mind you, t-mobile are very easy going, so there's no saying that they'll actually enforce it even if it's not included....
I used to use it with my old SE C902 never a problem. T-Mob forum guys also confirmed a while back that it is allowed.
yeah but that forum post was on the OLD contracts, not the new ones they bought in recently.
Like i said, i have an old contract that has WnW+ on it and yes, tethering is allowed on that one.
the new contracts that they are selling the desire on, definitely say that no tethering is allowed on the compulsory £5 a month android phone internet thingy. And much as i have been a customer of t-mobile since 2004, i don't trust their forum or support staff, cos i used to work with some of them.....
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yeah but that forum post was on the OLD contracts, not the new ones they bought in recently.
Like i said, i have an old contract that has WnW+ on it and yes, tethering is allowed on that one.
the new contracts that they are selling the desire on, definitely say that no tethering is allowed on the compulsory £5 a month android phone internet thingy. And much as i have been a customer of t-mobile since 2004, i don't trust their forum or support staff, cos i used to work with some of them.....
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Uh.. I was a new customer to T-Mobile and I have 'web'n'walk Plus' listed as my inclusive internet.
There's no way they would know if you had tethered or not. As far as the network can see, its just your mobile phone sending data. Considering that there's not a lot that this phone can't do on the web, I think they would find it pretty hard to know you were tethering based on the web pages you visited. Granted p2p may be a different kettle of fish all together, so I'd be weary about using p2p.
Just my opinion...
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actually, just realised there are ways they could find out, but I would imagine that as long as your not silly with it there shouldn't be a problem...
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Sorry to dig this up, thought I'd add it here though rather than start a new thread.
I assume the way they could know was by checking your browser agent string? Would changing that browser agent string on the connected PC to the same and the local phone browser then be enough to 'hide' the tethered connection?
Either way, what happens when Froyo comes out and adds the wifi hotspot functionality...?
i get a months unlimited data for £5 a month on t-mobile pay as you go i use it often for browsing and downloading with the new wifi hotspot
I'm with T-Mobile UK and I have to say that have the most pro-Android tariffs of any of the UK operators, with the most flexible bolt-ons, and the best, cheapest European data roaming charges of the lot. Big thumbs up from me for a thoroughly excellent service! And for me personally in the South East, the data network is amazingly quick, MUCH faster than when I was with o2.

Notice from At&T -Tethering

Recently got a text and Letter from AT&T stating that I've been caught tethering on my unlimited (grandfathered in) data plan. I called and the said this was my last warning before they turn my unlimited plan off for good and switch me to the 5GB plan.
Has anyone else had this happen to them? Should I be worried - concerned if I still want to tether?
I currently use the most up to date version of AOKP JB - and have been since i got the SGS 3.
Thoughts?
axel4401 said:
Recently got a text and Letter from AT&T stating that I've been caught tethering on my unlimited (grandfathered in) data plan. I called and the said this was my last warning before they turn my unlimited plan off for good and switch me to the 5GB plan.
Has anyone else had this happen to them? Should I be worried - concerned if I still want to tether?
I currently use the most up to date version of AOKP JB - and have been since i got the SGS 3.
Thoughts?
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Are you tethering a laptop, desktop? I haven't seen a message yet (knocks on wood!) but I only tether my tablet.
I would suggest you stop or they will switch you off unlimited. I tethered once for about 50mb worth of data and I got a letter in the mail from them.
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With tmobile we can switch our apn settings to get around them knowing about tethering. Not sure if there's anything like that for ATT, but figured I'd mention it.
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Considering you can never get that plan back if they switch it, you should decide how much that's worth to you. If you'll never go over with just the phone, then it won't be that big a loss. If it were me, I'd stop tethering, and keep the unlimited data since the data costs keep bumping up in $5 or $10 increments.
If it were me, I'd call and talk only to a supervisor. Ask them how they can prove you're thethering. If they give you crap about having xx # of gigs used of data, be like, yeah, i stream movies every night; i didn't think that would be a problem, since i have "unlimited data"!!!!!! How would i be tethering without a tether plan anyway!?!?!? Etc, etc. Make sure to get their name, extension, etc.
Also, tell them if they change your plan, the terms of your contract no longer apply, and you will be dropping said plan in favor of a new carrier, and will not be paying early termination fees.
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If it were me, I'd call and talk only to a supervisor. Ask them how they can prove you're thethering. If they give you crap about having xx # of gigs used of data, be like, yeah, i stream movies every night; i didn't think that would be a problem, since i have "unlimited data"!!!!!! How would i be tethering without a tether plan anyway!?!?!? Etc, etc. Make sure to get their name, extension, etc.
Also, tell them if they change your plan, the terms of your contract no longer apply, and you will be dropping said plan in favor of a new carrier, and will not be paying early termination fees.
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Agreed with Swiftks !!!! Pretty much they are changing the TOC. So now you can do whatever you want and walk without paying an early termination fee. Hence , if things got even more complicated where they took the stance and remove your grandfather and not let you go.... BBB.ORG is your friend. Trust me. I did it for something else and I walk with a brand new iPhone 4.
Yea.... i'm pretty sure there'd be a flaw to that way of thinking.
A) You are aware of the data package you purchased, that you have unlimited data but are not permitted to tether on that plan, and they still send out a letter/text notifying you as such
B) You might NOT be aware of your inability to tether on the unlimited plan, and since this is not a part of the plan you've selected under contract, a letter and text message is sent out notifying you of this, and warning you that further use would result in your plan being changed to a plan that supports tethering.
C) They switch your plan after your continued tethering use, after providing fair warning about the changes to be made.
Them breaching your contract by changing something around without your knowing beforehand (can't even really think of an example... sorry), i could see the idea of claiming a breach of the terms of your contract being valid and allowing you to terminate the contract fee-free. However, i'm fairly certain the advanced notification of such action being a result of something you are doing would be less breach of contract by the carrier and more misuse of contracted services by the user.... so you'd probably be SoL from a legal standpoint.
And the BBB? HA! They don't do jack sh*t. I tried that to get a company to follow through on the contract that i signed for a wheel & tire warranty, and they kept circling through the same few excuses that they used when i was simply e-mailing them to try to get them to comply. I had documented proof basically disproving every reason they gave for denying my claim, they were denying my claim based on stuff they said was in the contract that i signed that WASN'T in the contract i signed, and the BBB can't do a damn thing either way. So i'm f*cked out of two rims costing like $625 a piece. They even hired an independent appraiser to inspect my rims to see if they were indeed no longer able to hold a seal with the tire (which would warrant replacement if not able to be repaired), and the guy "wasn't able to find any evidence pointing to this". A little air pressure and a splash of water and you could hear air leaking out from 20 feet away.
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Yea.... i'm pretty sure there'd be a flaw to that way of thinking.
A) You are aware of the data package you purchased, that you have unlimited data but are not permitted to tether on that plan, and they still send out a letter/text notifying you as such
B) You might NOT be aware of your inability to tether on the unlimited plan, and since this is not a part of the plan you've selected under contract, a letter and text message is sent out notifying you of this, and warning you that further use would result in your plan being changed to a plan that supports tethering.
C) They switch your plan after your continued tethering use, after providing fair warning about the changes to be made.
Them breaching your contract by changing something around without your knowing beforehand (can't even really think of an example... sorry), i could see the idea of claiming a breach of the terms of your contract being valid and allowing you to terminate the contract fee-free. However, i'm fairly certain the advanced notification of such action being a result of something you are doing would be less breach of contract by the carrier and more misuse of contracted services by the user.... so you'd probably be SoL from a legal standpoint.
And the BBB? HA! They don't do jack sh*t. I tried that to get a company to follow through on the contract that i signed for a wheel & tire warranty, and they kept circling through the same few excuses that they used when i was simply e-mailing them to try to get them to comply. I had documented proof basically disproving every reason they gave for denying my claim, they were denying my claim based on stuff they said was in the contract that i signed that WASN'T in the contract i signed, and the BBB can't do a damn thing either way. So i'm f*cked out of two rims costing like $625 a piece. They even hired an independent appraiser to inspect my rims to see if they were indeed no longer able to hold a seal with the tire (which would warrant replacement if not able to be repaired), and the guy "wasn't able to find any evidence pointing to this". A little air pressure and a splash of water and you could hear air leaking out from 20 feet away.
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Yeah, but the burden of proof is on them... How can they prove you are tethering? Simply stating that you are in the top 5% or whatever is not sufficient IMO.
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I got that notice from AT&T.... I tethered for months, my laptop, my tablet, my ipod, ****, i think i even tethered my roku to it once. Took them a few months for them to noticed, then i got the email, the text, and the letter in the mail.
So I called, and they told me what was going on, so i made up abull**** story about how my nephew plays with my phone and maybe he was enabling the internet. I asked her to if she could put a block on tethering on my account and she said sure, because i didn't want it to occur again, she assured me that my phone will not be able to tether with the block and i said thats awesome, i also asked her to make note on my account of what she was assuring me and she did.
i kept on tethering and i still do to this day. no problems so far.
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Yeah, but the burden of proof is on them... How can they prove you are tethering? Simply stating that you are in the top 5% or whatever is not sufficient IMO.
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As many have said in other threads relating to tethering and getting caught, it can probably quite easily be tracked in the packet data transmitted through the network. There's more than likely something different about the way the data is handled that basically throws up a red flag that the data is not intended for the network device.
Voicebox said:
Considering you can never get that plan back if they switch it, you should decide how much that's worth to you. If you'll never go over with just the phone, then it won't be that big a loss. If it were me, I'd stop tethering, and keep the unlimited data since the data costs keep bumping up in $5 or $10 increments.
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I think I'm just going to go with this one. This kind of sucks though.
I don't even think the word tethering was in the original contract. Oh well, thanks for all the input.
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As many have said in other threads relating to tethering and getting caught, it can probably quite easily be tracked in the packet data transmitted through the network. There's more than likely something different about the way the data is handled that basically throws up a red flag that the data is not intended for the network device.
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Every packet is sent with something like a TTL (I don't think this is exactly right, I'm having a brain fart and google searches are fruitless for me right now). Basically they have a number of acceptable hops. On a cell phone, this number is typically pretty low, on a desktop it's often extremely high. This is why people tethering other mobile devices likely don't get noticed. You can also set that value on a desktop/laptop to one higher than the default on your mobile device and the traffic will appear to have originated from your device.
I'm just wondering, how much data did you use in the month(s) before they sent the message?
I am on AT&T and rarely tether but I was wondering if there are apps or a hack to mask this and make the data packets look as if a smartphone device is actually using the data. I have heard of this but I am not sure of what and which carriers it works with. Does anyone know?
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I'm just wondering, how much data did you use in the month(s) before they sent the message?
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Apparently between 2-4 GB. But this whole month, I've been under 1GB - which is funny since this is the month they "caught" me.
This is the key, only tether when you have to. That's the only time I do. When I'm away from my home network and no other possible connection around. The people getting caught are ones who are tethering constantly. Of course they going to see a huge spike in data usage. Spread it out. Especially now with 4g tethering speeds, they will be keeping a close eye. I've found out that I can successfully tether my 4g speeds to my note 10.1 tablet using Foxfi. Neither my SG3 or note 10.1 is rooted or anything. No mods needed to get it to work. I ran speedtests on tethered tablet to sg3 and saw I was getting 4g speeds. Will definitely come in handy when I need it. My data usage normally high anyways with my phone since I have unlimited. So a spike every now and then is nothing..I constantly surf web and sync stuff on my mobile phone. So my data usage is up there on a regular basis.
I think now with faster 4g speeds, more people will get caught because alot more data is flowing. Only tether when you have to. If you tethering on a daily basis as your only means of internet connection(use to be me before I got high speed wireless), they will eventually notice
I got the notice last week - and I haven't tethered since I first got the phone in the beginning of July. It wasn't anything serious, just about 10 minutes of tethering to check emails.
There was about a 2 week period where I didn't have Internet at home since the last tropical storm blew through, so I used my unlimited data to stream Netflix all day and night(on the phone) . I've been under 5gb every month so far, except in July where I used 11gb.
Just know that if they touch my unlimited data I'm taking all 5 of my lines elsewhere...
They look at browser headers (User Agent) to determine if you are tethering (probably among other things). I was NOT tethering and not using over 2gb, but I had my Dolphin browser User Agent set to make my browser look like Windows Firefox to force websites to give me desktop, not mobile versions.
I got nasty threats from ATT to stop tethering. I suspected it was the browser and I made several phone calls to explain. I got nowhere. I stopped using Dolphin and haven't been accused since.
I am always at 5gbs a month then they slow me down once in a while I tether for surf with chrome but its rare , I am supposedly top 5% my ass , before I was on 3rd party employee line using 7-10gbs month.
PS. Solved slow down problem once u hit 5gbs but its pain in the ass to do
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TMo recent announcement, "Personal Cellspot"

This looks pretty interesting, just noticed that a few news aggregators that I check had some info about the "Uncarrier 7" announcement. Apparently, starting on 9/17 for only a $25 DEPOSIT (easily reclaimed if I understand correctly) for what they're calling a "Personal CellSpot" wifi router. I'm super curious about the specifics of this device, this article http://www.geekwire.com/2014/t-mobi...nal-cellspot-wifi-router-boost-call-coverage/ reports that in the announcement Tmo said that it could even replace your current router... which is not something I'm at all interested in doing, but adding it to my network to get max LTE inside is something that I'm most definitely interested in doing. So just wanted to let you all know about this news, which I find quite interesting (particularly the literally unbeatable price). Anyone feel free to post any details that you can uncover about the device; I'll continue researching and do the same.
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This looks pretty interesting, just noticed that a few news aggregators that I check had some info about the "Uncarrier 7" announcement. Apparently, starting on 9/17 for only a $25 DEPOSIT (easily reclaimed if I understand correctly) for what they're calling a "Personal CellSpot" wifi router. I'm super curious about the specifics of this device, this article http://www.geekwire.com/2014/t-mobi...nal-cellspot-wifi-router-boost-call-coverage/ reports that in the announcement Tmo said that it could even replace your current router... which is not something I'm at all interested in doing, but adding it to my network to get max LTE inside is something that I'm most definitely interested in doing. So just wanted to let you all know about this news, which I find quite interesting (particularly the literally unbeatable price). Anyone feel free to post any details that you can uncover about the device; I'll continue researching and do the same.
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This actually looks pretty cool. Reminds me of the AT&T 3G thingy that they have, except full LTE
Just thought "Hmm, I wonder if there's any info about it on the TMo site... durrr." Here's a like to the overview of the device on their support site: https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-15754
After looking through that info: the setup instructions basically tell you to replace your current router with it (plug into modem, web setup gui), but there has to be a way to set it up as a bridge. Interestingly, In the troubleshooting section they link to the Asus support page for the (newer version) of the router that I have for advanced configuration, which seems promising. The device itself definitely has solid specs though: AC wifi, dual band, USB input etc. If my current router didn't have the same features, I'd definitely consider upgrading to it (after learning about it's firmware, config capabilities) if I didn't currently have an Asus RT-AC66U running Merlin's custom AsusWRT firmware (adds many features to the router, and I actually thought the stock AsusWRT wasn't bad... builds of DD-WRT ect. seem kind of iffy for it though). Anyways, if putting it in bridged mode isn't possible, I would look into attaching it via an ethernet splitter at my modem... that would actually work well (if it would work, continually trying to expand my knowledge in the complex realm of networking) because I almost always connect to a VPN client on my desktop machine... if I could set up an additional router, then I could just connect all the devices I wanted on the VPN to the Asus router which I would configure with OpenVPN, and my phone on other devices that I prefer I straight connection on to the T-Mo router.
However it ends up working, getting a device with those specs that also gives you strong LTE for approximately zero dollars and zero cents flat out kicks ass (unless it has some kind of backdoor to intercept all packets or something, that's my fear about using it as a solo router). Keep on un-carrying TMo!
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This actually looks pretty cool. Reminds me of the AT&T 3G thingy that they have, except full LTE
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Yeah, back during the lengthy time that I paid ATT excessively due to the flat out false impression that my "grandfathered unlimited" plan still resembled the plan that I initially signed up for in any way... AT&T actually sent me one of those ($300 I believe) devices completely gratis because inside my old apartment, my phone could barely touch a mobile network other than AT&T's and still, the signal was super weak. They never asked for it back after I ditched them after finding out in an emergency situation just how "unlimited" my data plan really was, when I hit 5 gigs for the first time in years, and was immediately throttled down to "can't load a webpage" unusable. Calling CS several times, I had NO option to regain usable data until the month rolled over short of changing to a new plan where I would be *allowed* to buy additional data (and of course, signing a fresh contract, when my prior two years had just ended). But wait! there's more! Despite no-longer being an ATT sucker.. er, customer, I still receive a monthly bill for $16 from them. It's because of the fact that at one point, I had to buy a new un-subsidized phone, and they had this deal where you could get an S4 or something and an LTE tablet for the price of just the phone (but the tablet needed a data plan). That sounded pretty good, so I grabbed a Note 8 (i467, not realizing how crippled it was vs. the wifi 5110 version). So that tablet got stolen soon after purchase, and I replaced it with the wifi only model (in retrospect, MUCH better device... quite dev friendly vs AT&T model w/ obligatory locked bootloader which took forever to even find a working root method but custom ROMs pretty much out of the question). So I obviously didn't need want the tablet data anymore... well, they did me a huge favor, and changed my tablet plan to this one that costs $16 / month, which they clearly plan on charging me for the duration of 2 years, unless I can figure out how to void it or something.
Man, a totally OT tirade in my own thread! Actually that thought was sparked by your mention of the AT&T device, which I seriously need to sell on eBay! That could quite possibly cover this BS data-less data plan that AT&T insists that I owe them...
Slightly back on topic, this device appears to beat the pants off of the AT&T thing on every level. Spec-wise, it really does look like a very solid router available for only a refundable deposit! Good job TMo, this is definitely one of the more interesting un-carrier announcements...
This could be T-Mobile's replacement for their cell phone signal booster. They were $500 but giving them away free if you were in a bad area. Idk how much these cost to make but at least they arent giving them away for free.
A little more relevant detail (bolded) from a BGR link w/ more info about the whole announcement:
"T-Mobile’s second big announcement is a clear effort to work past any real or perceived indoor coverage issues by offering subscribers a free WiFi cell tower of sorts that can be used in their homes or offices.
Dubbed the “T-Mobile Personal CellSpot,” the device is basically a WiFi router that can work alongside or in place of your existing router. The CellSpot will allow all devices to connect to it, but it will prioritize WiFi calling voice traffic in order to ensure that calls are always as clear as possible.
A free Personal CellSpot can be obtained from a T-Mobile store or by calling the carrier’s customer service department, and a refundable $25 hardware deposit will be required."
http://bgr.com/2014/09/10/t-mobile-wifi-unleashed-announcement/
This would be great if your home network is good. Pointless if it's not. It sucks that I get LTE in one part of our house and then 4g/2g in another. An lte signal Booster would be more useful. I have an older signal Booster but it only boost 4g.
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Please don't get me started on ATT, it took 4 months, about 8 calls and 4 trips to different att stores to cancel expired contract account. Spoke to many different agents and managers, so it was company wide. On top of that they stole $150 (overpayments on cancelled account they promised refund, never did). I would take those gangsters to court, but just too busy and not worth my time. However I will never ever use their service, even if it was for free. Got great satisfaction when they paid billions to support my current cell company, T-mo. Sorry for my rant, couldn't resist.
Back to topic: Let us know how it works, I have LTE service at home, (about 10Mb down, 2Mb up) but this could speed things up a little.
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Yeah, back during the lengthy time that I paid ATT excessively due to the flat out false impression that my "grandfathered unlimited" plan still resembled the plan that I initially signed up for in any way... AT&T actually sent me one of those ($300 I believe) devices completely gratis because inside my old apartment, my phone could barely touch a mobile network other than AT&T's and still, the signal was super weak. They never asked for it back after I ditched them after finding out in an emergency situation just how "unlimited" my data plan really was, when I hit 5 gigs for the first time in years, and was immediately throttled down to "can't load a webpage" unusable. Calling CS several times, I had NO option to regain usable data until the month rolled over short of changing to a new plan where I would be *allowed* to buy additional data (and of course, signing a fresh contract, when my prior two years had just ended). But wait! there's more! Despite no-longer being an ATT sucker.. er, customer, I still receive a monthly bill for $16 from them. It's because of the fact that at one point, I had to buy a new un-subsidized phone, and they had this deal where you could get an S4 or something and an LTE tablet for the price of just the phone (but the tablet needed a data plan). That sounded pretty good, so I grabbed a Note 8 (i467, not realizing how crippled it was vs. the wifi 5110 version). So that tablet got stolen soon after purchase, and I replaced it with the wifi only model (in retrospect, MUCH better device... quite dev friendly vs AT&T model w/ obligatory locked bootloader which took forever to even find a working root method but custom ROMs pretty much out of the question). So I obviously didn't need want the tablet data anymore... well, they did me a huge favor, and changed my tablet plan to this one that costs $16 / month, which they clearly plan on charging me for the duration of 2 years, unless I can figure out how to void it or something.
Man, a totally OT tirade in my own thread! Actually that thought was sparked by your mention of the AT&T device, which I seriously need to sell on eBay! That could quite possibly cover this BS data-less data plan that AT&T insists that I owe them...
Slightly back on topic, this device appears to beat the pants off of the AT&T thing on every level. Spec-wise, it really does look like a very solid router available for only a refundable deposit! Good job TMo, this is definitely one of the more interesting un-carrier announcements...
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Please don't get me started on ATT, it took 4 months, about 8 calls and 4 trips to different att stores to cancel expired contract account. Spoke to many different agents and managers, so it was company wide. On top of that they stole $150 (overpayments on cancelled account they promised refund, never did). I would take those gangsters to court, but just too busy and not worth my time. However I will never ever use their service, even if it was for free. Got great satisfaction when they paid billions to support my current cell company, T-mo. Sorry for my rant, couldn't resist.
Back to topic: Let us know how it works, I have LTE service at home, (about 10Mb down, 2Mb up) but this could speed things up a little.
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Yo, strictly on topic man! JUUUUST KIDDING! Actually, it's rather shocking how many topics "Yes, AT&T seriously pulled this BS" stories are at least tangentially related to! I imagine that I would have had a similar experience, had T-Mobile not only kindly handled the entire process for me, but then also gave me money! That has worked out VERY well.
No need for this of you have a asus rt-n66u or higher router with qos(quality of service). If your have a cheap comcast or att router this is for you.
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How would a router increase your LTE signal? I don't think it's a cell phone reception booster so it wouldn't increase our signal strength. I think T-Mobile would rather give out cheap routers so we will leave our wifi on for wifi calling/texting/surfing instead of using their cell towers.
It's both. LTE and Wi-Fi. At least that's what I got out of it.
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Here's a hands-on account: http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobiles-Personal-CellSpot-hands-on_id60587 In addition to a little more hardware info (USB 2 & 3 port... not too shabby), there's some decent discussion, particularly re: QoS being configured heavily for optimal VoIP, and who knows if that can be re-configured. It also answers a question that I couldn't help but wonder about...
So you throw down $25 bucks for this thing, then strip it for parts that you need for your legit A.I. quantum computer... are there any consequences other than being down $25 (and obviously the inevitable outcome which follows the Terminator movies plot lines precisely, including dialogue)? This article states that you can just straight up buy the device for $99, so I imagine that you'd be on the hook for an additional $75 if you can't return it... when the time comes (? whatever than ends up meaning). That is unless you use that new QC to travel back to before you ever picked it up... as long as you're willing to risk almost certainly causing several tears in the space / time continuum in order to save $99 (which could VERY possibly actually be worth $99.01 due to reverse inflation). Either way, you win!
If I'm not mistaken that tmo-ac1900 is a asus rt-ac68u(that I own) selling for real cheap.... The only router better on the market is the rt-ac87u
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Folks, this is a QOS modified Asus router. IT does NOT increase or rebroadcast ANY cell frequencies. LTE, 3g, 4g, nada.
It's purely QOS enhanced to give you WIFI calling QOS settings which most NORMAL users have no clue how to set up.
That being said, if you do not have a quality sim dual band router or only B/A/G/N and want a high quality router with AC standards, this is an extremely nice device.
For those of us who are professional engineers in the field and already have a quality router, you can always get this and add it as a signal repeater for wifi elsewhere in your home/office.
I shall probably get it just to have it on hand in case Netgear dumps a bad firmware and wipes my current router.
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If I'm not mistaken that tmo-ac1900 is a asus rt-ac68u(that I own) selling for real cheap.... The only router better on the market is the rt-ac87u
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OK, hmm... thanks for that interesting info! I have the previous model of that router (rt-ac66u). Have you ever come across Merlin's AsusWRT firmware? I found it it because the stock gui tool to update the download and flash firmware upgrades is just broken (at least for my model). Apparently AsusWRT is open-sourced, which is pretty excellent, particularly for router firmware, and I later came across other customized builds but it looks like Merlin's is the most popular (at least that was what Google told me when I was inquiring about that built-in firmware update tool constantly failing), and it adds some nice additional settings. The hardware itself is also solid; only power-cycled it a handful of times over several months of ownership (it was pretty new when I got it), and that likely wasn't even the issue some of those times. Well, actually, I suppose it did kind of start resetting itself at one point... the power adapter is crap for some reason, and I eventually noticed that a little bit of the wire had gotten stripped, so i put electrical tape around that part, but if I touched the wire after that point the messed up part would lose alignment until I messed with it and saw the router reboot. The adapter I replaced that with feels much better; plug connection (in router) is perfectly tight vs. stock which is slightly loose, and it's both significantly longer and thicker. Actually, that Just reminded me that that I had broken one of the stock antennae, so I bought a replacement set (made for the router) that are a bit longer/thicker and did improve the signal strength. So, two thumbs up for the router itself, but just one sideways thumb for the quality of the included additional components.
This deal would be particularly killer if you're able to flash alternative firmware, which I would imagine they at least attempt to prevent, particularly if you just drop the temporary $25 to use it vs. the $99 to own it. However, even if it requires a JTAG and some skills, one can now get a high end router for only $99. If you want to experiment, ya think you could just throw down $25 to grab one, brick it quickly, return to store, "The one I got is defective, I tried to set it up and it won't turn on! Now I can't even access the cloud tube!! Blah, blah, obviously I'm not technical enough to have messed it up, can I get a different one?" So I guess we'll find out how locked down this thing is... using a router that needs to be "rooted" is a major red flag IMO...
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OK, hmm... thanks for that interesting info! I have the previous model of that router (rt-ac66u). Have you ever come across Merlin's AsusWRT firmware? I found it it because the stock gui tool to update the download and flash firmware upgrades is just broken (at least for my model). Apparently AsusWRT is open-sourced, which is pretty excellent, particularly for router firmware, and I later came across other customized builds but it looks like Merlin's is the most popular (at least that was what Google told me when I was inquiring about that built-in firmware update tool constantly failing), and it adds some nice additional settings. The hardware itself is also solid; only power-cycled it a handful of times over several months of ownership (it was pretty new when I got it), and that likely wasn't even the issue some of those times. Well, actually, I suppose it did kind of start resetting itself at one point... the power adapter is crap for some reason, and I eventually noticed that a little bit of the wire had gotten stripped, so i put electrical tape around that part, but if I touched the wire after that point the messed up part would lose alignment until I messed with it and saw the router reboot. The adapter I replaced that with feels much better; plug connection (in router) is perfectly tight vs. stock which is slightly loose, and it's both significantly longer and thicker. Actually, that Just reminded me that that I had broken one of the stock antennae, so I bought a replacement set (made for the router) that are a bit longer/thicker and did improve the signal strength. So, two thumbs up for the router itself, but just one sideways thumb for the quality of the included additional components.
This deal would be particularly killer if you're able to flash alternative firmware, which I would imagine they at least attempt to prevent, particularly if you just drop the temporary $25 to use it vs. the $99 to own it. However, even if it requires a JTAG and some skills, one can now get a high end router for only $99. If you want to experiment, ya think you could just throw down $25 to grab one, brick it quickly, return to store, "The one I got is defective, I tried to set it up and it won't turn on! Now I can't even access the cloud tube!! Blah, blah, obviously I'm not technical enough to have messed it up, can I get a different one?" So I guess we'll find out how locked down this thing is... using a router that needs to be "rooted" is a major red flag IMO...
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Already asked merlin he said no lol... Even still I would get it and try flashing merlins on it. I use the fork version for my ac68u (it allows all channels and unlimited power). http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=18914
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This was listed under the "Personal Cellspot" section as well:
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14947
toastido said:
This was listed under the "Personal Cellspot" section as well:
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14947
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ya who knows but we all here will know soon I know i will get one as soon as i can :silly:
Tried to con the rep into pre-ordering the Cellspot today but no luck. Said they will be up for ordering on the 17th.

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