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I've just found this article, and was not happy to read it:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/
This left me very disappointed
Given that we pretty much knew that WP7 wasn't going to be backward compatible software-wise, this one is not that big of a deal. You wouldn't be able to run the old apps anyway. By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
What's this got to do with old apps? If you want to install a hack you first need to submit it to Marketplace? Oh! I forgot there's no hacks on WP7....
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What's this got to do with old apps? If you want to install a hack you first need to submit it to Marketplace? Oh! I forgot there's no hacks on WP7....
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You will still be able to load apps on to the device from Visual Studios. It will just require giving out the source to do it. So hacks and such that people don't want to go through marketplace will be able to distribute there code as long as they don't care that everyone will beable to see the source.
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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Hmmmm. Interesting. Sounds like something that might be exploited by a jail-break procedure.
I think you just have to accept that WP7 never will be "hacker friendly". I'm starting to wonder if there would have been less whining over the WP7 platform if they'd branded it something completely different, like "Splonge" or "Zaarkoft", since its got virtually nothing to do with WP6.5. The community's expectations would maybe been more realistic.
What's sad is of course that the 6.5 series probably won't be developed further and few or no new devices with better hardware will come with 6.5 (or 6.6 or whatver), but I guess there always is ... Android? Or Openmoko or whatever it's called.
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Hmmmm. Interesting. Sounds like something that might be exploited by a jail-break procedure.
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I like this, hopefully we can get ahold of it and exploit it to it's fullest potential.
Idiocracy of the Mobile World
It seems everything is so dumbed these days...making things is a easier to do is fine but damn. For me I hear windows mobile I think mini pc but now it seems things as a whole are headed towards playskool sh!+ for adults. I blame newbies that dont/cant read manuals & use commn sense (u won a lottery u neva heard & u paying money to receive the winnings lol). I also blame the pos companies/people that push malware/spyware/phishing. Windows customization is gift for the tech savy but a curse for impatient eye candy lovers.
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By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
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As I see the Marketplace evolving I must state I've never seen so many new and ugly $1-apps. I'd better pay $20 for a well-designed with great UI and functionality or donate something to a as great freeware app than sponsor those marketplace whores that even don't offer a trial.
This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
Nilzor said:
Given that we pretty much knew that WP7 wasn't going to be backward compatible software-wise, this one is not that big of a deal. You wouldn't be able to run the old apps anyway. By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
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I'm not sure what your logic is here. There's no reason to want sideloading unless you want to sideload winmo6 apps?
How about wanting to sideload applications MS doesn't want to compete with or otherwise decides is unsuitable for my delicate sensibilities? How about wanting to sideload content made by indies that can't afford MS's regulatory scheme? How about wanting to sideload content so I can get it direct from my friendly neighborhood developer, with all the incumbent benefits and freedoms thereof instead of submitting myself to the whims of a markplace's DRM mechanisms?
Of course, I'm not exactly blown away by the news. Anyone with half a brain knew once the Zunies were in charge of WinMo this was the inevitable result.
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This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
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Students can get the fee waived with dreamspark. All you have to do is verify with your school e-mail. I've already done it.
ladieslova said:
I've just found this article, and was not happy to read it:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/
This left me very disappointed
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I think we have another way...
quote:
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
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Ummm, if you're a student u get a free annual subscription. it's annual, Google has it too, but its $25 bucks to sign up while this is $99 like Apple's. If you can't afford $99 a year, you should probably get a job...
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Ummm, if you're a student u get a free annual subscription. it's annual, Google has it too, but its $25 bucks to sign up while this is $99 like Apple's. If you can't afford $99 a year, you should probably get a job...
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any student or do you have to be in that field?? cuz im just taking my basic ed classes so would i qualify?
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I'm not sure what your logic is here. There's no reason to want sideloading unless you want to sideload winmo6 apps?
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Flawed, I know. But I mean, we know up-front that we cannot sideload WP7 apps so It's not like we've been held in the dark here and wasted thousands of hours developing WP7 apps in the belief that we can sideload and distribute the old way. For those of us that still want a "hacker friendly" phone, we still got WP6.5 and competing platforms.
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any student or do you have to be in that field?? cuz im just taking my basic ed classes so would i qualify?
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Any University student (if your University isn't on the Dreamspark list, contact Microsoft)
Highschool students are also eligible (but they require their school to sign up on their behalf)
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Any University student (if your University isn't on the Dreamspark list, contact Microsoft)
Highschool students are also eligible (but they require their school to sign up on their behalf)
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thanks to bad im in community college, but my girl goes to sdsu so maybe i can get it in her name
nvm my school is on the list
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Flawed, I know. But I mean, we know up-front that we cannot sideload WP7 apps so It's not like we've been held in the dark here and wasted thousands of hours developing WP7 apps in the belief that we can sideload and distribute the old way. For those of us that still want a "hacker friendly" phone, we still got WP6.5 and competing platforms.
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I agree, that's a valid point. I don't even think we were in the dark from the first day of WP7s' introduction, before this little confirmation. The moment they sent their hipster zunies out to explain how great it was, at least half of us knew they were using Apple's playbook.
I began to come to terms with migrating to android on day 1, and the stench of betrayal has mostly passed on.
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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There Will be alternate ways to load apps onto the device, gotten from an updated version of the same article.
reading this from engadget and this is what it says:
No support for microSD cards, though that's partially offset by the requirement for capacious internal storage. Some phones might implement the required internal storage on a microSD card, but it's not supposed to be user-swappable, and if you do switch it out, you'll reset the phone and lose all your data -- but you should be able to get most of it back when you sync with the cloud.
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Is this correct can anyone confirm i think this is relay a disappointing move, i love the minimum 8 gig memory but this really dose put a cap on stuff on your phone, and forcing up to use 3g data plans for cloud syncing, in canada we don`t have any unlimited plans we pay 30$ for 1 gig or data
This is a limitation that puzzles me. Is there some sort of techinical advantage to NOT having a card slot?
This sort of makes me think that WP7 requires external storage to function properly. So having an "optional" card is not an option.
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This is a limitation that puzzles me. Is there some sort of techinical advantage to NOT having a card slot?
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It may be partly an anti-piracy tactic - make sure that if people pay to download songs from Zune, they can't give them to other people just by taking the memory card out. It's probably also tied to the practice of not allowing any software to be installed unless it's downloaded from the marketplace.
It also allows the phone manufacturers to screw more money out of customers. Look at the price difference between the 32GB iPhone 3GS and the 16GB version. Think the extra memory costs that much to include? Nope. But people who need 32GB have no choice but to pay the premium.
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It may be partly an anti-piracy tactic - make sure that if people pay to download songs from Zune, they can't give them to other people just by taking the memory card out. It's probably also tied to the practice of not allowing any software to be installed unless it's downloaded from the marketplace.
It also allows the phone manufacturers to screw more money out of customers. Look at the price difference between the 32GB iPhone 3GS and the 16GB version. Think the extra memory costs that much to include? Nope. But people who need 32GB have no choice but to pay the premium.
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Well, stopping piracy is good for everyone. Overcharging me for a few extra GB's is not cool tho.
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Well, stopping piracy is good for everyone.
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Debatable.
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Well, stopping piracy is good for everyone.
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not for people that use pirated software lol
Well it's good for them too...they just don't realize it
On the contrary, actually, piracy is good for the industry. Do you think Sony would have sold even 10% of the number of original playstations they actually sold if kids hadn't been constantly swapping burned CD's in the playground?
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On the contrary, actually, piracy is good for the industry. Do you think Sony would have sold even 10% of the number of original playstations they actually sold if kids hadn't been constantly swapping burned CD's in the playground?
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Sony doesn't make money off of the hardware FYI (or very little). Profits come from software and licensing.
That's really a dumb justification for stealing anyways.
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Sony doesn't make money off of the hardware FYI (or very little). Profits come from software and licensing.
That's really a dumb justification for stealing anyways.
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Yes, but the point is that once there were a huge number of consoles in use, their owners bought more legitimate software, and more expensive hardware add-ons, so Sony gained financially in the end.
The industry always tries to make out that piracy is immensely damaging, but it does so on the basis of entirely made-up data. They try and get some kind of estimate of how much stuff is downloaded, then work out what that would have sold for if it had all been bought, and then proclaim that they've lost that much money. This is obviously complete bull****, because it assumes that the downloaders would actually have bought the thing in question if it were only available at full price; and most of the time they wouldn't have. People generally download stuff that they still wouldn't have bought even if it were not available for download. Sometimes they even download something illegally as a trial and then buy it legally if they find they like it.
And a lot of the original illegal downloading of mp3's was driven simply by a desire to have a single track in mp3 format; the industry was ridiculously slow to realise the demand for downloads. The people who download illegally the most tend to be the same people who purchase the largest number of legal downloads; but you'll never hear the industry admit that.
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Sony doesn't make money off of the hardware FYI (or very little). Profits come from software and licensing.
That's really a dumb justification for stealing anyways.
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they do make money off the hardware, maybe not with the ps3 yet but as time goes on it gets cheaper to build so they will & thats a good justification for it some people buy two xbox 360 1 for online & 1 to mod so they can have all the games they want
For some reason many IP owners find it a good idea to create tons of hassles for buying their stuff, and I, as a user, often have this funky choice of downloading something for free to have it available and running in minutes or paying, often even going to physical stores (horrors!), and then probably have some crappy DRM attached to what I just bought in hope that nothing breaks down to make it all useless.
Just a few examples: it's impossible to buy digital music where I live - neither iTunes nor Zune nor anyone else sell music here, so pirating is the only option; MS don't sell Win 7 as upgrades to Vista here, only full retail versions, so you have to pay $500 instead of $200, and then get no download option either; iGo, the satnav app I use, is sold on SD cards and have no download option for WM - hell I'm not using a separate card for just one app! And then the most glorious example - the iPhone, where they locked app installation procedure together with advanced settings, using the same mechanism. So you unlock settings and get access to free stuff in one move. That, together with no try before you buy option in appstore.
So, I don't know if piracy is good or bad for the industry, but I'm sure the industry's stupidities are one of the major causes for piracy. Only in digital you find that stuff you pay for is less convenient and causes more hassle than free stuff. It just can't work without at least some people getting pissed off and looking for workarounds.
so is microsoft setting up a itune store for mp3?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
if we need a simple phone, we will get nokia!
its like returning to iphone 1, with no mms, no a2dp
I think WinMo 7 should have a professional version target for us!
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so is microsoft setting up a itune store for mp3?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Yeeeess! Where have u been? They have complete Zune functionality in WP7. There already exists the Zune mp3 site.
WP7 is the FIRST of the "iPhone killers" to compete with Apple on ALL levels and then some. No other smartphone has done so thus far.
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WP7 is the FIRST of the "iPhone killers" to compete with Apple on ALL levels and then some. No other smartphone has done so thus far.
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To say that WP7 is going to compete with iPhone is like saying Lady Gaga is going to compete against Michael Jackson's music.
People who own iPhone, do so because it's the fashion, much like why they owned iPods. People owned them because it was a fashion statement, not because it's functional. How many people you know own an iPhone and use it as a smart phone? Lots of people I know **** with the thing for 3 months, and then forget it's a smart phone and just use it as a phone.
It's not like Phone7 is going to be a fashion statement like Apple's products are. That's why Zune could never catch a decent share of the mp3 player market.
iPhone will go the way of the Nike shoe. Many people will have them, and will spend lots of money for them. In the end, it's a fad, and will fade away.
Phone7 is just Microsoft's way of trying to capitalize on the software market craze. As iPhone owners buy lots of applications, Microsoft is hoping to benefit the same way with their own marketplace. So of course, DRM is very important.
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yep totally have you heard gabe newalls take on this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg
he see's piracy for what it is and he's a developer and publisher, but also a geek and a gamer
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yep totally have you heard gabe newalls take on this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg
he see's piracy for what it is and he's a developer and publisher, but also a geek and a gamer
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WOW, he really understands the market, unreal, I have never heard any "expert" talk like that about piracy. Def worth watching (8+min long).
As for the topic on hand, this will almost be a deal breaker for me. SD cards are important for content I own to move it between computers or anything else. It has to be on a current device.
Just why do people think SD card support removal from WP7 has anything to do with piracy, BTW?
Think about it - what would you do with the card there? It doesn't have file system access, no file browser, and no way to use a file you copy to this card for anything. It's not any more difficult to put a pirated mp3 to Zune HD or iPod than a legal one (actually, it's much easier, but anyway).
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It's not like Phone7 is going to be a fashion statement like Apple's products are. That's why Zune could never catch a decent share of the mp3 player market.
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I don't know about that. Actually, WP7 seems so far to be the first smartphone platform apart from the iPhone to deliver experience that could make a device that I can buy for my wife as a Christmas gift. In some ways, which I know are important to her, it will certainly excel (video codec support, Zune desktop software, all the facebook stuff built in etc.). It obviously looks different and will stand out on retail shelves. I think the design will look gorgeous on amoled screens (the videos and screenshots and even low-pixel-density PC screens surely steal some of its appeal). One could argue that the "original thing", the iPhone, may be better, but the problem is, she already has one, as do all of her friends. It's difficult to stand out with the iPhone when you go into a Starbucks or board a plane. So the iPhone does have limitations as a fashion item. I'm sure no single WP7 model will beat the iPhone, so I'm reluctant to use the silly media label, "iPhone killer", but it's relatively understandable how to beat Apple in terms of market share.
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To say that WP7 is going to compete with iPhone is like saying Lady Gaga is going to compete against Michael Jackson's music.
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Isn't she?
People who own iPhone, do so because it's the fashion, much like why they owned iPods. People owned them because it was a fashion statement, not because it's functional. How many people you know own an iPhone and use it as a smart phone? Lots of people I know **** with the thing for 3 months, and then forget it's a smart phone and just use it as a phone.
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Not the many people I know with iPhones. They seem quite enthusiastic about all of their apps.
To say iPhone is a trend is to insinuate that the smartphone industry is eventually going to revert back to the old WM way of doing things. Surely you don't mean this do you?
It's not like Phone7 is going to be a fashion statement like Apple's products are. That's why Zune could never catch a decent share of the mp3 player market.
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Zune doesn't have iTunes tie-ins like iWhatever. I don't expect any mp3 site to beat iTunes anytime soon, so therefore Apple products will always have the advantage in that regard. I believe that currently iTunes is the largest music retailer.
Just because Apple is #1 in this segment doesn't mean #2 can't do well. Hell, for that matter, Apple isn't even the #1 smartphone maker and it isn't hurting them
As far as fashion statements goes, I work in a nightclub and have YET to see any type of phone used as a fashion statement.
Been on the zune website and the only way you can download the software is to get it from the american site, so I'm wondering when the new WP7 handsets come out and have zune access on them will we in england be able to use the service to buy music and videos (if they do it). Ive been looking though the site and the web but not really heard much about it.
As it stands we can only use zune on our xbox 360's and then it uses a stupid point system to purchase instead of saying "that will be £2.99 please", this is one of the reason I prefer the Playstation Networks film service it has more films and uses real money... on the other side its so slow to download anything
Anyway I digress, has anyone heard anything about the zune network and would like to share the info please
I can feel your pain, mate... I live in Belgium and had imported a Zune 80 gb a couple of years back and been happily using it until it died on my last year...
But I use everyday the Zune software, IMHO it's the best out there (unless for .mkv and .flac playback...)
Look, they haven't said muck, but with the Kin due to come out in Germany, and WP7 latter this year, well, it's only a matter of time until they bring out the Zune Pass over in Europe.
Have faith
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Wat .
Yes, they have said that the Zune software (and service, not sure to what extent) will be available in all countries where Kin and WP7 are sold.
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Yes, they have said that the Zune software (and service, not sure to what extent) will be available in all countries where Kin and WP7 are sold.
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Ok cheers, is there any site link you got to confirm this info... not that i dont believe you i just like to see sights and see what they say, usually find good others links on sites that i can spend hours looking at new stuff
I've never had the stand alone zune player but im not sure how this will work.
If we cant have our own memory cards (altho i've read theres a htc phone coming that has a microsd card slot on it?) how are we going to load our personal mp3's that we have on our computers or whereever onto our windows phone 7 devices?
its to my understanding that you cant use the phone as a usb mass storage device, and you cant take the memory cards out anymore will we be forced to buy music out of the store or will we still be able to load our own music, videos and pics from our computers or where ever else they may be?
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I've never had the stand alone zune player but im not sure how this will work.
If we cant have our own memory cards (altho i've read theres a htc phone coming that has a microsd card slot on it?) how are we going to load our personal mp3's that we have on our computers or whereever onto our windows phone 7 devices?
its to my understanding that you cant use the phone as a usb mass storage device, and you cant take the memory cards out anymore will we be forced to buy music out of the store or will we still be able to load our own music, videos and pics from our computers or where ever else they may be?
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Yes you can load your own music thru the zune software that will be on your computer.
It's similar to how iPods/iPhones use iTunes to sync media. You just use the Zune desktop app instead. It's rather nice IMO.
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It's similar to how iPods/iPhones use iTunes to sync media. You just use the Zune desktop app instead. It's rather nice IMO.
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Very nice besides some countries will not enjoy ability to buy music from Zune just
because of MS idiotic policies.
doministry said:
Very nice besides some countries will not enjoy ability to buy music from Zune just
because of MS idiotic policies.
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It's not MS idiotic policies. It's the complexity of selling digital music. The thing is, you have to negotiate with every content owner (of which there are hundreds, these aren't always the labels even) the rights to sell in each individual country. It's one hell of a mess. Apple didn't launch iTunes store first because he got the idea first. There's a lot of caution, suspicion and fear in the media industry towards digital distribution and tech industry, and Jobs personally is an exception because he founded Pixar, thus media czars consider him one of theirs. It's all irrational and stupid, but that's the way it is.
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It's not MS idiotic policies. It's the complexity of selling digital music. The thing is, you have to negotiate with every content owner (of which there are hundreds, these aren't always the labels even) the rights to sell in each individual country. It's one hell of a mess. Apple didn't launch iTunes store first because he got the idea first. There's a lot of caution, suspicion and fear in the media industry towards digital distribution and tech industry, and Jobs personally is an exception because he founded Pixar, thus media czars consider him one of theirs. It's all irrational and stupid, but that's the way it is.
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Well IT IS MS stupid policy too.
Apparently ChannelClassics did not have any problem with it
and I can just download whatever I want from there.
But the giant MS can't make it? Please!
They just don't want to move their asses to change it
because other countries have it apparently.
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But the giant MS can't make it? Please!
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Well, first of all, yes, it's more difficult for MS to negotiate terms with labels than with a small service labels can always kill/swallow. They still dream to control the distribution one day, and they don't like big brands standing between them and your money.
Secondly, if they are lazy and don't want to move their assess it's not a policy, it's inefficiency and ineffectiveness. Also bad, but a different beast.
Thirdly, I don't know what ChannelClassics is, but if they are selling classical music it's much easier.
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Well, first of all, yes, it's more difficult for MS to negotiate terms with labels than with a small service labels can always kill/swallow. They still dream to control the distribution one day, and they don't like big brands standing between them and your money.
Secondly, if they are lazy and don't want to move their assess it's not a policy, it's inefficiency and ineffectiveness. Also bad, but a different beast.
Thirdly, I don't know what ChannelClassics is, but if they are selling classical music it's much easier.
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Ok, let's call it lazyness for now. It's still a "policy"
If Zune music purchases aren't working on the device, why the **** do I need this
"hub" or or it's name for, and this huge noise about it? That Zune is so magnificent?
So it's basically the same as WMP on WM 6.x but follwed with buzz around it. Pathetic
It pisses me off.
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If Zune music purchases aren't working on the device, why the **** do I need this
"hub" or or it's name for, and this huge noise about it? That Zune is so magnificent?
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Well, first and foremost, it's a media player, so you can use it as such. It'll show you the library, recently played stuff, newly added stuff etc. No particular usefullness in that, just a player. And quite a decent one at that.
Secondly, the hub will show podcast subscriptions if you use those. I do.
Thirdly, it's a hub because it can be extended by third party applications - i.e. streaming players, other media players, YouTube stuff, don't know what will be there exactly.
Ability to purchase music and videos and the subscription service will be missing in most countries, maybe even for years to come, unless the whole scene changes (which may well happen, it should happen somehow, these things just take time, it's just difficult to judge from outside as everything is taking place behind closed doors).
But then again, I personally don't worry much about it. If out of fear and doubt content providers refuse to sell content to me legally (which is what's happening right now), well, I know where to get it. WP7, just like the iPhone, doesn't prevent you from using, let's say, alternative sources in any way. If they finally come to senses and start selling music to me legally, I'll start buying it from them.
And overall, why did you decide to get upset about the Zune service when WP7 as a whole just isn't available to you in the first place?
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Well, first and foremost, it's a media player, so you can use it as such. It'll show you the library, recently played stuff, newly added stuff etc. No particular usefullness in that, just a player. And quite a decent one at that.
Secondly, the hub will show podcast subscriptions if you use those. I do.
Thirdly, it's a hub because it can be extended by third party applications - i.e. streaming players, other media players, YouTube stuff, don't know what will be there exactly.
Ability to purchase music and videos and the subscription service will be missing in most countries, maybe even for years to come, unless the whole scene changes (which may well happen, it should happen somehow, these things just take time, it's just difficult to judge from outside as everything is taking place behind closed doors).
But then again, I personally don't worry much about it. If out of fear and doubt content providers refuse to sell content to me legally (which is what's happening right now), well, I know where to get it. WP7, just like the iPhone, doesn't prevent you from using, let's say, alternative sources in any way. If they finally come to senses and start selling music to me legally, I'll start buying it from them.
And overall, why did you decide to get upset about the Zune service when WP7 as a whole just isn't available to you in the first place?
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Maybe true, I should wait for WP7 release in Poland.
doministry said:
Well IT IS MS stupid policy too.
Apparently ChannelClassics did not have any problem with it
and I can just download whatever I want from there.
But the giant MS can't make it? Please!
They just don't want to move their asses to change it
because other countries have it apparently.
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(after a quick google) Channel Classics is a record label that sells classicl music that is not encumbered with any copyrights. Copyright restrictions are the sole reason why this is a problem. You can't compare a label selling classical music to a music distributor/retailer selling modern music.
http://wmpoweruser.com/chevronwp7-shuts-down-handsets-to-be-re-locked-in-120-days/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598050
What the hell man, this is just crazy what is Microsoft thinking? This will only drive more people away from the platform and will keep phone sales at the rate they are now or lower. Who in the world wants to pay $99 a year just to be able to customize a phone? I personally do currently pay the $99 but will stop soon this is just a death sentence for Windows phone, really someone over at MS gets fired over this.
do you realize that most people would not care about these stuff, and we only nerds that like to hack our phones will matter. Maybe microsoft has something better in store? possibly in apollo we will get sideloading capabilities and other power user functions.
lovenokia said:
do you realize that most people would not care about these stuff, and we only nerds that like to hack our phones will matter. Maybe microsoft has something better in store? possibly in apollo we will get sideloading capabilities and other power user functions.
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I sure hope you are right my friend. Maybe Apollo won't have all this Apple style locked down crap.
what it means, in practice?
In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
sinister1 said:
What the hell man, this is just crazy what is Microsoft thinking? This will only drive more people away from the platform and will keep phone sales at the rate they are now or lower. Who in the world wants to pay $99 a year just to be able to customize a phone? I personally do currently pay the $99 but will stop soon this is just a death sentence for Windows phone, really someone over at MS gets fired over this.
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seen the latest articles about lumia sales lately? I'll assume not since you insisted on posting this.
Side loaded apps
Like most people, I just want to know if apps already side loaded will continue to work after the tokens are revoked? If they do work, it may be possible to keep it unlocked through a Registry Editor, Root Tools etc.
sinister1 said:
So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
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I don't see any law suits as Microsoft as offered to refund $99 and swap Chevron unlock for App Hub Developer unlock.
However, interesting thing would be how many $9 unlocks are from non-supported countries!?
Surely out of 10,000 there are at least 100 people who paid $9 and don't have access to App Hub - those can go for a law suit unless Microsoft is going to make up for it in any other fashion in a separate announcement.
sinister1 said:
So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
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Yeah, I'm pissed that I was only renting the unlocker....this was definitely a hose job....these dudes are re-locking already paid for phones.
Side-loaded apps will probably cease to work, just as they do if you were to relock your device now.
quicoli said:
In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
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Yes, probably lol.
Pathetic.
MSFT is giving away free APP HUB accounts for these users. Is no one else reading it?
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....the app hub is yearly, so we got a year long account for $9...what was I complaining about
/sarcasm.
quicoli said:
In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
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You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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My point! Thanks!! Hence $9 for whatever time it was unlocked for + a year of sideloading stuff (not developing anything) - more than enough!
I don't mind the side loading. I mind the people coming in here to ***** about not having any way to load stolen software into their phone... Its just pathetic. I would understand if you're developing your ass off, but you're stealing... C'mon...
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i did the chevron unlock than used the interlop unlock will i be affected ?
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You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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I could be wrong, but didn't Nokia release these apps in the earlier versions for other non-Nokia devices? Of course (now) Nokia is claiming that their updated apps will be only for Nokia devices. Not condoning piracy here, but I don't see a problem with side loading device specific apps on other Windows Phones. These apps are free to the the users anyway right? -Well most of them... As we all know, each manufacturer has its own collection of apps for their devices. -And we can all agree there are apps that are better than others in each manufacturer app store. If the apps are free, I find it a little ridiculous to say that Windows Phone users would have to go and buy a certain WP just to be able to use a device for a specific free app on their phone. -Now if each manufacturer released their apps to EVERY WP device with the apps being free for that specific device and had a paid version for non-specific devices, my argument would be irrelevant here. -But we know this is not the case.
Anyway, yes I do agree somewhat that some users want their phones dev unlocked just to sideload apps that they themselves didn't develop or buy, but I have to say that I believe some/most members here on XDA contribute to some form or fashion to the development/modding/hacking phone world. I myself became a Windows Mobile/Phone developer because I was amazed at what I could do with my phone when I first started getting into flashing roms for Windows Mobile. I kept on coming back to this forum to see what I could do next with my phone. I finally realized that I couldn't wait for the next thing to come out for my phone, so I started learning the development side of the phone. As the years kept rolling on, I became very familiar with the development process and even made quite a bit of money on my apps. -So the point is, calling people out on wanting the dev unlocks just to sideload restricted apps on their phones is sort of unfair. You and I do not know the motives of the other users on this forum.