I've been wondering about this for a while...
Can anyone tell me WHY we should be forced to root our phones to gain full access to them? Surely the action of locking down these phones so that we have to hack them goes completely against the entire point of Android?
Speaking as a user who will probably root his phone (and who has rooted other phones in the past), it does make sense for phone manufacturers/networks to not provide easily hackable phones for several reasons:
1). The reason you don't have root by default is that it makes it very very easy for a malicious program to do nasty things. The same reason why I don't log in as root to my linux servers unless it's absolutely required - i can accidentally (or intentionally) do stupid things as root that I could not do as a normal user
2). HTC provides a warranty for the phone. Easy access to root would lead to (again) doing silly things llike flashing a bad radio and bricking the phone...leading to HTC having to replace the phone
Speaking as someone who rooted his Magic, I find that I have had no need to root my Desire as of yet (the main reason the Magic was rooted was to install a custom recovery so that I could flash unsigned ROMs to get Android 2.x or Sense on my Magic, both of which I already have on the Desire).
John
I can understand reasonable restrictions, but I really can't fathom the reason why they try so damned hard to stop us customizing our devices.
They should make an app for it, but make damned sure that the user is told that IF they unlock root access, they'll invalidate their warranty.
It's mostly so HTC and the carriers won't have to answer thousands of support request from clueless owners who installed a app which ruins the OS.
You see, root access literally means "full access permissions", that means you can actually delete everything on the phone, including system files. Couple this degree of access with a marketplace like Android has and you soon have a real mess (when apps screw up or someone programs a virus app).
From an HTC point of view, I think it shouldn't be possible for anyone to mess up their phone to the point it becomes unusable. That's why there is no root support on the devices.
As for leaving the experienced user the choice: Do you actually think any normal user reads the part where it says "voids your warranty"? They'll go crying to HTC if something goes wrong and blog about how crappy and slow their phone (with root) is, while HTC have absolutely no control over the user experience.
The reasons why I rooted my Hero:
1. Flash a 2.1 rom.
2. Use Market Enabler to show paid applications in the Market. (I don't understand why this is disabled in some countries, when I'm allowed to create a Google Checkout account.)
3. Enable APS2SD. (It bugs me that even though Android doesn't allow installing apps on the SD card till now, high-end phones (AKA Desire) are still made with a 512MB ROM)
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The reasons why I rooted my Hero:
1. Flash a 2.1 rom.
2. Use Market Enabler to show paid applications in the Market. (I don't understand why this is disabled in some countries, when I'm allowed to create a Google Checkout account.)
3. Enable APS2SD. (It bugs me that even though Android doesn't allow installing apps on the SD card till now, high-end phones (AKA Desire) are still made with a 512MB ROM)
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I'm not asking why people have rooted, I'm asking why we should HAVE too. Things like APS2SD are perfectly legitimate reasons to need root access, and we shouldn't have to be forced to invalidate our warranty just to get some functionality that Google haven't implemented in their OS yet.
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I'm not asking why people have rooted, I'm asking why we should HAVE too. Things like APS2SD are perfectly legitimate reasons to need root access, and we shouldn't have to be forced to invalidate our warranty just to get some functionality that Google haven't implemented in their OS yet.
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well at least its one up from an iphone! i mean seriously at first you had to "jailbreak" to get coppy and paste, and thats just one example.
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Hello guys, seem like I will be moving to this part of xda in a couple of weeks
I have several questions though, mostly regarding roms and rooting. I have used linux for sometime and from what I understand su/sudo/gksu/gksudo etc. are not available in android? I mean I cannot gain root access in the same way as on the desktop. And if I root the device it will not lose warranty, as I can unroot it later on similar to SPL/HardSPL in winmo. The other question is, I think I am going to be OK with the stock rom, as the desire is some pretty fast hardware, so can I root it without installing rooted rom, again as HardSPL in winmo. I will probably need the root access for some applications, like task manager, otherwise I will probably only use the phone, browser, mp3, social stuff, gps, email, videos like I did in the past.
I am sorry if these questions were asked before, I read the tutorials in the first post, however things are still not quite clear for me
You don't have to install a custom ROM if you use unrevoked for root, it just adds the superuser app to your current ROM. However it will flash the recovery, so it voids your warranty anyway. There is no way to avoid this.
No idea about su/sudo though, I know nothing about linux
Well,I kinda have the same questions...First off,there is the su command in Android which is equal to the sudo command in Ubuntu etc.To give an example,I was trying out the ezHero rom on my Hero the other day and jit was enabled with this process:in terminal emulator you type in su,and then it asks for superuser permissions(probably only available through root?) and then you type jit-on and some other things happen that don't really matter here.I believe I answered half your question.Now,if root can be achieved through terminal...I don't think so!It's above my head though...
Thanks guys, that cleared up a lot
About this recovery, I guess if I can unroot and flash "stock recovery" if there is such a thing, it will not be a problem, is this the case? If I can't maybe I should buy a used device instead of a new one.
About the su/sudo, I have used mostly Ubuntu, and in the users menu I usually had 2 users - admin and root, once I set up a root password. Then I used the admin user and if I needed root access for something I did it with su or sudo + <command>, requiring password, or if it was software launcher requiring root access with a path gksudo + <regular parameters/command> in the launcher properties. For example, as far as I know you cannot change attributes like readable/writeable or edit files which are not personally belonging to your user without root access . It is a really neat and simple feature on the desktop and I am puzzled as to why they removed it from the stock rom. I didn't include this in the original post so that it is not too confusing.
Anyway thanks guys, having been with winmo for the last few years, I will finally give android a go and see if it works for me
Yeah it is relatively easy to flash to complete stock ROM and recovery. There's a guide somewhere in the developer board.
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You don't have to install a custom ROM if you use unrevoked for root, it just adds the superuser app to your current ROM. However it will flash the recovery, so it voids your warranty anyway. There is no way to avoid this.
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No. Just no.
There's nothing in the warranty agreement to suggest that (there is a line that confirms that in the N1 agreement, though), and countless people have sent their rooted Desires back to HTC for repairs, and they've all been repaired. They just won't repair it if the ROM you flashed broke some hardware (ie overheated the LED and made it short-circuit).
Thanks guys, then I'll get a new device, great
Basically the title says it all.
I'm a total nub to Android in general, and rooting probably isn't something I should worry about. But unfortunately I'm an organizational / resource freak, and want to be able to uninstall any app I wish.
But I also love the HTC Sense UI.
Is there any way I can root to get permission to remove the apps I don't want while still keeping the HTC interface intact? I'd just rather not run the stock UI.
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Basically the title says it all.
I'm a total nub to Android in general, and rooting probably isn't something I should worry about. But unfortunately I'm an organizational / resource freak, and want to be able to uninstall any app I wish.
But I also love the HTC Sense UI.
Is there any way I can root to get permission to remove the apps I don't want while still keeping the HTC interface intact? I'd just rather not run the stock UI.
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Rooting is just rooting; it does nothing to your OS beyond unlocking it. After rooting, the only way you'll lose Sense is if you flash a Senseless ROM.
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Well actually yes getting root will allow you to delete anything you wish however once you have root make sure you don't delete important stuff.
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So that being said, can anyone point me in the right direction to root the phone?
And if I root it, is there any way to restore it back to non-rooted condition should I decide to sell it?
How to root is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
How to unroot and return to stock for warranty purposes is also in the same Wiki. You may or may not have to worry about unrooting, if you decide to sell the phone. People actually pay money to have their phones rooted, or pay extra for pre-rooted phones. Depends on who you sell to, they might not care about the phone being rooted, and may even prefer it. But unrooting is required if you need to send the phone for warranty repair. If they find your phone rooted, your warranty is VOID.
Sticky page has ton of links to various useful guides and other stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
Just get reading, and you will be up to speed in no time.
Rooting does not remove and change anything. It just changes the permissions on the phone, so you have access to system files which are normally not accessible. You can remove/change what you want after you root. And you can also backup everything using ROM Manager (free app on the market) in case you mess anything up. Keep in mind that some system files/apps are tied into Sense or Android, so removing them can cause problems. Just be careful what you change. Don't go messing around by trial and error. Everything you can think of has been attempted by somebody else, so can come on here and read what is safe to remove, and what is not.
Hi,
I have a stock Wildfire which I'm perfectly happy with. However, over time I purchased a few apps from the market and would like to take a backup.
What can I do? My ideal would be a simple application with which to switch on/off root permissions before starting the backup process - read-only access to the system and data partition would be perfectly sufficient.
Is this possible? I read about Temp Root in the forums, but couldn't find a clear statement which way (if any) would work on the Wildfire. Also, is read-only root with access to all partitions even possible without flashing or do I need a custom ROM for this?
As I understand, another way would be to flash a new recovery image and use Nandroid backup. However, I'd rather avoid flashing anything.
I'd be glad if someone could give me a few pointers.
Get Visionary+. This app can do a temp root easily.
It's meant for Desire Z, but it still works. If you want permroot then use AlphaRevX instead, the method this app uses does not apply to Wildfire.
For backing up I would recommend Titanium Backup.
Why would you want to temproot anyway? You can use AlphaRevX to get S-OFF and flash custom ROMs.
If you want to do warranty return, just use a RUU tool. It clears everything back to factory state.
Just wondering why you want to backup the paid apps? Can't you just reinstall them when needed as your license is on your Google account right?
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YES, no need to backup the paid apps purchased from market.
Even after hard reset, if u use the same google market account to install those apps, ur licence should be back. Licence should be stored in your account AFAIK....
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If you want to do warranty return, just use a RUU tool. It clears everything back to factory state.
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A ruu doesn't reset the s-off state! The only way you can flash a new hboot is when it has a version higher the the 6.x hboot that alpharevx puts on your phone. It just like htc's hboot: you cannot downgrade it.
If you want s-on again, you need a tool from AlphaRev that does it for you. But I don't know if that is released yet.
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YES, no need to backup the paid apps purchased from market.
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It is? Super, somehow it never occured to me that the purchase could be tied to the account instead of to the phone. Thanks for the hint!
That solves my immediate problem, I guess I can forgo a backup then.
What would happen if I entered the same googlemail-account into a new phone: Would the old one be deactivated then? One might want to use the same mail account on two or more phones. Would he then also get access to all of the applications on all phones, or would it simply not work at all?
Even after hard reset, if u use the same google market account to install those apps, ur licence should be back. Licence should be stored in your account AFAIK....
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I never entered a "google market account" ID, I guess my googlemail-account (which I created on setting up the phone for the first time) was used for that automatically. Or has such an account been automatically created for me without any further prompting?
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150d
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Get Visionary+. This app can do a temp root easily.
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Thanks, I'll remember that.
Why would you want to temproot anyway? You can use AlphaRevX to get S-OFF and flash custom ROMs.
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That's just it: the phone is working great, I'm really not missing anything. I wouldn't even know what to use root for. ;-)
On the other hand, I have a little experience with cooked ROMs from my previous phone, a WM-based Kaiser. Granted the two might not be directly comparable, but back then I had a lot of issues with stability, working-but-not-perfect bootloader, GPS sensitivity, radio ROMs...
I'd rather not take any chances now, at least not until I have a good reason to do so.
Regards,
150d
150d said:
On the other hand, I have a little experience with cooked ROMs from my previous phone, a WM-based Kaiser. Granted the two might not be directly comparable, but back then I had a lot of issues with stability, working-but-not-perfect bootloader, GPS sensitivity, radio ROMs...
I'd rather not take any chances now, at least not until I have a good reason to do so.
Regards,
150d
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And it always should be this way this wilfire forum is getting stalked by people who want root and new ROMs, but i'll bet that most of them will be satisfied with the stock one.
The only reason why you should root is to install usefull apps that requier root (like titanium backup) and to install new ROMs. Those roms provide updates that htc disable for us: gingerbread should be more powerfull and JIT, something that can make your phone two to three times faster, is disabled because sense can't handle it. But you are right: custom roms will never be bugg free. But on the other hand, the stock rom isn't bugg free as well
Altough I'm on the stock rom ATM, I will change if I have the time. "Basic" things like gps and stuff will work on most roms (unless reported otherwise), so you do not have to be afraid of that. The most problematic things can always be solved, but most of the time it requiers a lot of time untill you have figured out what exactly you should do to solve your problem. So do not try to change rom if you do not have the time for it.
To finalize this off topic statement: it is usefull to gain root: you can do much more with it than just "flash roms". But it absorbs a lot of time, and you shouldn't start with it if you do not have any. But when you commit yourself to it, you will gain a lot.
Erwin
150d said:
What would happen if I entered the same googlemail-account into a new phone: Would the old one be deactivated then? One might want to use the same mail account on two or more phones. Would he then also get access to all of the applications on all phones, or would it simply not work at all?
I never entered a "google market account" ID, I guess my googlemail-account (which I created on setting up the phone for the first time) was used for that automatically. Or has such an account been automatically created for me without any further prompting?
Regards,
150d
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Don't know about that thing. They shouldn't be discussed too anyway. But I strongly think that google knows the device identity of the market attached account.
Yes, google account / gmail account / maket account all are the same.
edit : And better not to speak about cooked roms untill u check them. There are many people pretty much satisfied with those.
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And it always should be this way this wilfire forum is getting stalked by people who want root and new ROMs, but i'll bet that most of them will be satisfied with the stock one.
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I saw a TV spot when the first iPad was released. They interviewed a guy waiting in line in front of an Apple store for why he wanted an iPad. He said: "I don't even know what it is, but I'm sure I need it!"
One can only wish for customers like that!
Those roms provide updates that htc disable for us: gingerbread should be more powerfull and JIT, something that can make your phone two to three times faster, is disabled because sense can't handle it.
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I didn't know that. Yes, sometimes I do wish it would be quicker to handle, I have a feeling that sometimes the CPU is maxed out so it can't handle the touch screen any more. But to me it's only a minor hassle.
To finalize this off topic statement: it is usefull to gain root: you can do much more with it than just "flash roms". But it absorbs a lot of time...
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I believe it, both of it. I've owned the phone for about half a year now and I'm still adjusting to how much more it can do for me than my old phone could. It goes beyond just having an application to do some job - it all is much more "usable" than before. But I can really, really not imagine what else I would like to do with the phone. Maybe there is something that I can't even think of now, but so far... ;-)
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150d
I'm still rather new to Android, and I was wondering- why do people root their phone exactly? If I root my phone, will it run slower? Also, can I run the stock ROM my phone ships with if I root it?
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I'm still rather new to Android, and I was wondering- why do people root their phone exactly? If I root my phone, will it run slower? Also, can I run the stock ROM my phone ships with if I root it?
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We root, because we must... It doesn't make the phone slower. It does the opposite (With the right kernel, that is )
Rooting ONLY means, that you have the right, to accss the ROM (Read-only memory) where the system files are saved...
Which means, yes. You can have root access, on a stock-ROM phone
(If interested, check my signature ^^)
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I'm still rather new to Android, and I was wondering- why do people root their phone exactly? If I root my phone, will it run slower? Also, can I run the stock ROM my phone ships with if I root it?
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Rooting just gives you more control over your phone, the ability to easily freeze/delete system apps, flash alternate kernels, etc... You can run your stock ROM whilst rooted, it won't slow you down.
Rooting also opens the door to being able to flash (i.e. install) alternate, custom ROMs among other things.
A basic rooted stock ROM is a good place to start out, and learn your way around things before you decide, or not, to start flashing custom kernels, ROMs, etc... OR you can happily cruise along on a fully stock phone.
Just a quick summary; there's lots more specific info available on this site, and the intarwebz to give you more detail if needed.
I'm fairly new, so hopefully I get this right. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
My guess is that you're coming from iPhone if you're asking if it will slow it down since jailbreaking tended to do that. It won't slow it down unless you install apps and mods that run in the background and stuff.
All rooting is, is allowing programs to run as the root user (I *think* I'm right here). This means that they can access parts of the system that are unavailable to be modified on unrooted ROMs. This means you can get things that tweak system level functionality. It's very similar to jailbreaking an iPhone except apps in the Play Store aren't prohibited from having root functionality baked in.
Yes you can root the stock ROM.
Hope that answers it for you, and I hope I got it right. It's tough trying to figure some of this stuff out. Nothing out there really explains why things are done, but only HOW they're done. Bit of a nuisance trying to get into this in that regard.
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I'm fairly new, so hopefully I get this right. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
My guess is that you're coming from iPhone if you're asking if it will slow it down since jailbreaking tended to do that. It won't slow it down unless you install apps and mods that run in the background and stuff.
All rooting is, is allowing programs to run as the root user (I *think* I'm right here). This means that they can access parts of the system that are unavailable to be modified on unrooted ROMs. This means you can get things that tweak system level functionality. It's very similar to jailbreaking an iPhone except apps in the Play Store aren't prohibited from having root functionality baked in.
Yes you can root the stock ROM.
Hope that answers it for you, and I hope I got it right. It's tough trying to figure some of this stuff out. Nothing out there really explains why things are done, but only HOW they're done. Bit of a nuisance trying to get into this in that regard.
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You just said, what I said ((and the other bloke, after me) xD
Yes, you answered it. But in a way, that no n00b would understand, unless he wrote it himself (You) lol
There are many reasons to root, my favorites are that I can access the root or the phone, meaning I can replace the rooms, kernels to my liking. I can overclock or underclock the phone. One more than I like to do it use ad blocker so I don't need to deal with the stupid ads that are in free apps
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We root because we like to have good phones .
And the benefits like custom colors, kernels, ROMs, and all that is nice.
Nexus S (GSM i9020a)
GummyNex (9.0)
Air Kernel (3.45)
OC 1000/200 (Lionheart)
Live OC (100 -Noop)
v6 Supercharged
To get the most out of my phone. Especially in the g1 days, you pretty much had to root because of the phones limitations
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You root to gain admin access to your phone. You'd never use a computer without admin access, same on a phone. You can tweak and change anything you can imagine with root access.
And no it doesn't make it slower, actually can make it faster.
Root access doesn't do anything in itself. It just gives you administrator access to all of the system files.
Once you have that access, you can start tweaking.
Root is only required for deep-level back-up programs, some file explorers, and rom tweakers such as Rom Manager.
Day to day stuff, Android is pretty open to anything.
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Rooting allows you to release the full potential of your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21328733
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Its not just system access, its a way of life!
Today I spotted this blog item http://blog.htc.com/2012/04/your-phone-your-thoughts-tell-us-what-you-think/ I think we should start post our concerns about not being able to gain a proper unlock.
(1) fastboot boot awesomeRecovery.img (this works because fastboot then boots recovery on the boot/temporary partition. So the you're not actually in recovery mode
(2) Offmode (this works because again you're again not technically in recovery mode. It uses the recovery ramdisk, kernel, and binaries but its still not technically recovery.
On that note I've seen suggestions that it's possibly a recovery issue with cwm and twrp. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case. If it were then in CWM u wouldn't have usb when u fastboot boot the recovery or in offmode (fair assumption since both these options use the same kernel, ramdisk and binaries as recovery?). Can it be fix? Not that i know of. It looks to me like a total radio or bootloader lockout from using USB in recovery. Which means on a radio or bootloader level USB is disabled in recovery mode.
On that note I think we should raise the point to HTC that this locking down of the device does not suite our needs.Key points of fail would be as follows.
(1) Can NOT flash the boot partition from recovery. I've personally contacted HTC on this numerous times and they seem to just not care. Responding with "It's a security issue" and so forth. I would love to know how this is a security issue of any sort. Every other Android device has this ability except HTC devices since they started the HTC unlock ordeal. It's utter fail IMHO and HTC should listen to our needs .
(2) Can NOT flash recovery or boot partitions from system. This issue is NOT a deal breaker and isn't so bad when it comes down to the nitty gritty. But since the issue above exists, flashing with applications like htc dumlock and such were our only options. These work around apps cant be used to flash now because of the lockpout from system and it wouldn't be such an issue if HTC didnt lock us out in recovery from flashing boot.
(3) Can NOT flash P*IMG.zips in hboot/bootloader anymore. For the unlocked device running a custom firmware this is a must. Specially when radio updates and such are needed from the OEM. We seen a big use of this on the Sensation when HTC updated the device from Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich. The update required new hboots, radios, and partitioning to actually use. So in that instead of having to flash a RUU Which didn't exist the only choice was to flash a custom P*IMG.zip that included all the radios and images need to run the builds. At this point we can't update those image/partitions without flashing an RUU. This makes no since and doesn't seem to do anything but make things more difficult on the unlocker to customize and modify their device.
(4) If all the conditions above HAVE to exist. Then why not give us documentation or utilities to flash fimware.zips from recovery like HTC does? When HTC was the proud Nexus device there was full support and documentation available on how to flash firmware on their devices. This made anyone choosing an HTC device blessed with knowing that their device was not only open and unlocked, but when flashing firmware that it was being flashed correctly to Google and HTC's standards. This code has now been moved out of recovery since right before the move to edify scripting and moved to vendor/htc/ (not arguing this choice as thats where it belongs from a maintaining point of view). But the problem is that vendor/htc is proprietary now. Which means Documentation and support for flashing firmware correctly is not available and left to developers of recoveries for the community to figure out. One would think if HTC was standing behind us that they would step up and give us a PROPER/OPEN/REAL unlock, or if they cant for the lame excuse of security concerns, then give us the documentation and utilities to flash the boot and firmware partitions properly. I mean really... what is there to lose there?
(5) WHAT WAS THE POINT OF HTC UNLOCK? It was to reach out and accept us as a community. It was to keep us from having to exploit their firmware and look for holes to gain control of a device we rightfully own. WHAT DID HTC UNLOCK DO? It unlocked the devices at first and with each new revision of the unlock it gets more locked down and harder for us to use it as intended. WHAT DOES THAT LEAD TO? It leads to us hoping someone will take the time out of their life and exploit HTC's firmware so we can have access and control of our devices. I mean, it's bad when u have people poking a device with a paperclip to get a device unlocked to avoid a official unlock.
Bottom line; I'm personally fed up with HTC's unlock. It's absolute crap! It does not serve the purpose it was intended and only makes things harder then they were before. As a devoted HTC customer it has me questioning if my next device will be an HTC. With all the other options that would allow me to spend less time trying to gain proper access to my device and more time actually having fun with it, why choose HTC? Everyone else is shying away for these same issues. Everyone with an HTC unlocked device waits for someone to exploit HTC's firmware and give them a proper unlock. Why not just choose a device without the locked down/unlock instead? IDK but HTC needs to step up and listen to us. Every HTC forum with an HTC Unlock is screaming for these issues to be fixed.
My call to HTC is to fix these issue and/or give us proper documentation on flashing firmware to our devices via custom recoveries. The boot flashing lockout is dumb, pointless, and in NO WAY a security threat AT ALL and is nothing more then a CRAP RESPONSE to something that they sould be working to correct, instead of ignoring. In the end its hurting HTC's relations with developers and is ultimately doing the opposite of what it's original intent.
HTC, PLEASE READ AND LISTEN!!!11ONEone
To everyone else, SPREAD THE WORD!!!ONEone
This is the future of HTC unlock and each new device it gets worse. Maybe HTC will listen and address these issues, then again maybe we will just need to find another OEM that supports us and does listen
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From this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25407373&postcount=19
I have posted the same in Facebook Page and Tweeted it. I think we should be more aggressive.
what about groubal?
Posted anyway :s
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
Please S-Off your devices as promised, your unlock is not a true unlock and it is still heavily restricted. We can't flash official RUUs in this weak htc-dev unlocked state! Please fulfil your promise!
You have some valid points, but you do realise us tinkerers aren't htc's only customers right? Most businessmen now use smartphones like the one X and they certainly do not fiddle with their phones, nor do they accept that their phone comes with serious security flaws potentially opening their device up to strangers or corporate espionage. This point, however, could be used both for and against this fact. For example, if HTC officially provided S-OFF via htcdev then they could avoid people developing exploits for their device while also causing the device to be factory reset when it is applied. The downside of this is their products could get a reputation for being unstable or whatever (people seeing my device for example, and getting the idea that all one X's are on the verge of exploding)
That doesn't seem to be an issue for Google or Samsung, so I don't think its a really valid point.
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You have some valid points, but you do realise us tinkerers aren't htc's only customers right? Most businessmen now use smartphones like the one X and they certainly do not fiddle with their phones, nor do they accept that their phone comes with serious security flaws potentially opening their device up to strangers or corporate espionage. This point, however, could be used both for and against this fact. For example, if HTC officially provided S-OFF via htcdev then they could avoid people developing exploits for their device while also causing the device to be factory reset when it is applied. The downside of this is their products could get a reputation for being unstable or whatever (people seeing my device for example, and getting the idea that all one X's are on the verge of exploding)
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I understand mate .. That's why the S-OFF should be optional. I personally working in a co-operate enviorment most of the them won't go for Android since our enterprise applcation doesn't work well (Like deployment of software apps etc.) most of them prefer Blackberry for Windows based phone. That's why Windows 8 phone comes with secure boot and large scale application deployment with same tools used in Windows so they can convert the remaining BB users to Windows. Android has a long way to get attention from enterprise users. For now think it's an entertainment OS. Sony went a long way in this case they allow complete unlock even help FreeXperiaTeam with development of CM. Sooner or later our devs will find a way to S-OFF why not HTC offer it proactively and creative a good will against devs like Sony did.
S-off on any HTC phone do not I repeat do not open any other security issue ie a business would not leave such possibility open some business develop there own software for phones etc and still do they was doing it with the old pda phones and HTC pda phones with HTC to stop locking there phones allows this option again to a business.
A business wouldn't leave a device open as they would lock them there selfs via encryption etc so people arguing over its opening security holes is an invalid point other devices are open ie Samsung etc so why not HTC all other HTC that have been exploited to allow the same hasn't broken any security regarding networks or the ability to change serials etc as this info is on a write once chip and can not be over written like some other devices in past
The reply from HTC ceo has just made my day it's great news I just hope it true to the word
And believe it or not there loads of corporate business are using android devices to its full existent well here in the uk they are as its such a powerful operating system and not just for entertainment I speak from experience I use my phone for business and use a lot of business apps etc so my phone is not just for entertainment purposes etc
Everyone's concern over security is a fair statement but not valid reason not to unlock and am glad to hear HTC agree now.
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@dryan433: Dude, what are you talking about? Have you ever heard about something called punctuation or capital letters?
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