I don't know if it's coincidence, but ever since I upgrade to WM5 and went back to WM2003SE, my navigation button has not worked the same.
For example, a lot of times I can go right, but can't go back left even after multiple presses, and then most of the time the middle or 'Enter' button doesn't do anything. Itz become extremely annoying because I have lost my 4th stylus by now, and I haven't received my new ones yet. Oh, and I can't play MorphGear right anymore.
Is it just hardware? Cuz I first went to ROM v.1.42 and then went to 1.40 to see if it was a problem with the new ROMs, but I still have the same problems. Any one else having these issues, and has any one fixed it??
UPDATE: WTF!! Now it went from bad to worse. Yesterday, when I left my BA at home, once I returned from work I noticed that PIE was constantly opening over and over again. Then some of the buttons wouldn't respond like the POWER to turn it off. The backlight pretty much stayed lit the whole time because it looked like the keys were stuck. I upgraded to WM5 derived from the Himalaya today and now the START menu comes up almost every 5-8 seconds, followed by a real quick succession of multiple "clicks", and my 'Start' button doesn't seem to be responding.
Can anyone help? Has my BA gone to the state of retardation? Is there a way to bring it back??
How did you go with this problem.
Mine is doing similar ever since a low battery problem.
DLC
I am experiencing the same kind of problem... and it happend after upgrade to WM5. But the problem likely to be caused by hardware.
I had problems with my phone opening up the start menu, opening IE, and closing programs immediately after opening them, Of course I had dropped the phone halfway in a cup of ice water, but immediately after tossing it in water (after hanging up, I simply dropped the phone into the cup-holder I have mounted below my stereo which happened to be occupied by a glass of ice-water I placed there without remembering) I shook the water out of the phone, and for about as much as i could stand the heat, I put a hair-dryer to the end of my phone which i pryed open after removing as many screws as i could. After a day of quirky behavior, and a night of having the battery seperated from the phone, my phone is back to its old self with the water-damage seal unnaffected after missing the line of water by just a few milimeters. I suggest going to Settings>Buttons and making every button perform no function at all followed by going to Settings>System>Button Lock and having all keys locked except your power button. Hope this helps!
Having somewhat the same issue. Only the "Down Navigation button" isn't working. Although, I'm still using Windows Mobile 2003 SE. Is there a DIY fix for this?
bump...
any suggestions?
Navigation Up/Down
Mine isn't working either - is this a hardware fault?
trying pressing down a bit harder. coz when i did that for mine, the "down" button works. normal applied pressure as for the rest of the buttons(left/right/up) does not seem to work with the "down" button, but a bit more force would make it work.
this happens to my IIs.. mebbe u can try.
Button problems
After no trauma or dunks in water several of my buttons have gone awry. My green phone button, red phone button and navigation buttons all open contacts. The green phone button activates voice command at the same time that it opens contacts. I've never switched from WM2003SE. I've checked the buttons settings and they are the same as always. Most bizarre of all is that my battery is quickly discharging. I suspect some software process is running hard but don't have any idea where to start to fix this. Soft resets have not helped.
buttons gone crazy
A hard reset fixed the problem but was a typical pain to get everything back going. Sprite backup works great until the first attempt to ActiveSync with your PC.
I hear that you guys had a program that can make the two softkey buttons on the front of a Cingular 8125 so that when you hold them down they either go to the start menu of close a program. Also I havent bought the phone yet and I was wondering how you dial on the phone without the voice command since there are no number buttons on the front.
yes I to would like to know how to customize the soft keys
klutz035 said:
I hear that you guys had a program that can make the two softkey buttons on the front of a Cingular 8125 so that when you hold them down they either go to the start menu of close a program.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep, I just installed it on my 2-day-old 8125, and it's making a world of difference. SO much more usable now, especially with one hand. Available here if you are logged in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=41060
Its customization is quite nice, in that the close functionality can be customized per-program to either close or hide. (Although either way you'll want to download any of the various programs that allow you to really close things.)
klutz035 said:
Also I havent bought the phone yet and I was wondering how you dial on the phone without the voice command since there are no number buttons on the front.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Tap the screen with your fingernail. That's pretty much the only option AFAIK unless if you are holding it sideways with the keyboard open. I don't really find it a problem for dialing, since I'm dialing a stored number 99% of the time anyway. But kind of a pain when typing in key selections while on a call, e.g. w/ customer support. For that I usually go to speakerphone anyway, which makes it easier to tap.
The keyboard on my TP2 (Verizon) intermittently stops working (no key press registers, however the buttons on the face of the phone still do). After soft reset it works again. This is with different ROMs. I'm thinking, perhaps, there is a loose connection internally. It also has odd crashes, but this might only be a ROM problem as it is much less pronounced with the latest ROM I'm using (Elite team ROM).
Diagnosis? I'm reluctant to send it into Verizon for just this, as its only occasional. Wondering if anyone has experienced the same thing
I'm having this same exact issue. I'm using the latest ROM from HTC. Sometimes when I open the keyboard in an app, like texting or email, the keyboard is genreally non-responsive. When it's in this state, the enter key goes to windows Apps but all other keys failed to work. I also test by pushing the FN to see if the FN light tunrs on.
What's strange with mine is the keyboard will work when it's open like for phone use, but when open with an app like text/email/bing, it doesn't...
Like previous poster, not sure if hardware ro what...
This may not have anything to do with your problem, but..
I have the PTT button on my tilt2. I have a case that wasn't designed to encompass that button, so it gets covered up (I had a find time finding a case that did actually fit!)
I have the PTT button assigned to do nothing, but with it being pressed down, it makes my keyboard non-responsive as well as disabling the arrows keys on my touchscreen. It will however work for a while after restarting my phone, but it always goes back to the same thing.
Sukuiku said:
This may not have anything to do with your problem, but..
I have the PTT button on my tilt2. I have a case that wasn't designed to encompass that button, so it gets covered up (I had a find time finding a case that did actually fit!)
I have the PTT button assigned to do nothing, but with it being pressed down, it makes my keyboard non-responsive as well as disabling the arrows keys on my touchscreen. It will however work for a while after restarting my phone, but it always goes back to the same thing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you very much for posting this. I do have the same exact setup, I have the PTT button unassigned and I too have a cover that covers it. So maybe it's pressing it down causing the problem.
I hope this is it and really appreciate your post...
UPDATE:
Sweet, I just checked things out. removed the cover and it would the keyboard doesn't go non-responsive when I push the PPT button, and works when I don't...
By George, I think you got it!!!!
GREAT!!!!
Hi All,
Two weeks ago I became a quite lucky Desire user, but recently I've noticed decreasing sensitivity for optical joystick.
I have a feeling that at the begining it worked better, but right now from time to time it just stuck, non respond or just have a weird behaviour.
What I obsereved that if you will use piece of cloth (t-shirt, case - whatever with "structure" material) it works perfectly. In that case it response quickly, really nice.
Made research using diffrent "sides" of finger - and slightly better when you use side not a finger tip. Also trial on my colleguage proved that something is wrong.
Have you faced with such issues?
shall I wear gloves ? any other workaround?
is there any application to calibrate this optical pad?
---
mt
htc desire, formerly htc diamond, wm, palm, ...
perfektt said:
What I obsereved that if you will use piece of cloth (t-shirt, case - whatever with "structure" material) it works perfectly. In that case it response quickly, really nice.
Made research using diffrent "sides" of finger - and slightly better when you use side not a finger tip.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same issues =(
Got the same issues since the beginning. Actually the pad is nearly unusable for me. Strangely in the text box it works much better than other places. It's a bit annoying and there are times I wish I had a mechanic trackball like the N1...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
I too have the same problems and it's been like that since I had the phone.
I just thought it was normal and never use it as it's pretty much useless!
I just tried using the edge of the t-shirt and it works PERFECT!
Miss the trackball I had on my G1... that was uber sensitive and worked perfectly.
Might bob into the three shop and see what they say.
Phil
hmm dont notice any different with shirt / edge finger or normal use o.o where are you guys testing this on test or the menu? usually one vertical swype up on the menu makes the cursor go 1 page or sometimes 1 page +1
It really works perfect with the shirt.
For example right here to switch between posts. With my finger I often need to slide multiple times over the pad til it reacts.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
It's really annoying.
Just tested on switching between homescreens and scrolling through texts and I have to do it multiple times with my finger and then it doesn't always work but then work absolutely fine using my t-shirt.
Surely HTC must be aware of this problem. I have seen quite a few comments on this now.
Phil
Yeah he's right just tried with my T-shirt and it actually amazed me how useful the trackball became.
Shame my hands are not made of cloth.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
I have just emailed HTC to see what they have to say about it.
Perhaps if i wore gloves all the time just in case I needed to use the trackpad... oh but then my fingers wouldn't work on the screen
Hmmm on this thread I can scroll the while page in 1-2 swipes try putting more pressure on it
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
itachi46 said:
Hmmm on this thread I can scroll the while page in 1-2 swipes try putting more pressure on it
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nope! Pressure makes absolutely no difference!
When I use my t-shirt I barely have to touch it to get it to go exactly where I want it to!
Definately a problem with it. Perhaps they had a dodgy batch of optical sensors!?
Hm... Maybe a guess. I know, certain people have papillary lines on their finger tips, which are rather noticeable and are really easy to identify. The others don't.
Could this be that the trackpad sensor too much relies on identification of those papillary lines, and in case they're less visible, is unable to "decipher" the moving finger?
And yes, I also can confirms that:
1) Trackpad is more sensitive in Messages app
2) Trackpad is more sensitive when flipping left-right than up-down.
The optical trackpad is like a mouse, it detects image changes, the cloth (normal t-shirt cloth) has it wires parallel both vertically and horizontally, and it's really simple for the sensor to read it (the lines going from left to right or from down to up).
Now if you move the sensor on a completely blank surface for it's resolution it won't read any movement, no matter you move it half a mile. By blank for it's resolution I mean if it is 600dpi and the material has no difference larger than 1/600 of an inch. I imagine the Desire's optical sensor is no gaming Logitech laser mouse with 1200dpi 50-100dpi at most.
Back to the finger, everybodys fingerprints are different, (CSI people thanking the nature), so the lines on your finger can help or give a hard time to the sensor, I've also had problems using it, in the browser, on a hundreds of links page like a forum, I gently move the finger, the selected link stays the same than just jumps 3 links down, over the link I want, I go back and it goes back by two, again over my link, and the third time I get it right, or use the doubletap and the touchscreen ...
Maybe somebody can find the calibration/sensitivity file for us to edit.
PS: Sorry for my English, I did my best...
I think you got it in one there!
I just tried with my finger side-ways (so the lines on my finger are going the other way) and it works perfectly. I think that must be why it works better going sideways than up and down.
Bit dissapointing really... what was wrong with having a trackball?!
P.s. Your english is very good...nothing wrong with it!
Late night email work around
"Just don't wash your hands too often"
Ok so I just got a reply from HTC about this... and their very helpful suggestion:
"Dear Philip,
Thank you for contacting us. In regards to the track pad, I can help you with that. Warning: Resetting your phone will erase all data stored on the phone memory completely. Remember to back up the phone information and settings. To perform a hard reset please do the following: Go to the Home Screen Press Menu Tap Settings Tap Privacy Tap Factory data reset Tap Reset phone It is also possible to perform a factory reset by using the hardware buttons on the phone. 1. With the phone turned off, press and hold the VOLUME DOWN button, and then briefly press the POWER button. 2. Wait for the screen with the 3 Android images to appear, and then release the VOLUME DOWN button. 3. Press VOLUME DOWN to select CLEAR STORAGE, and then press POWER. 4. When asked to confirm, press VOLUME UP Will I lose all my calendar events, contacts and emails if I have to perform a factory reset? Yes, you will lose your data on the phone. However if you have set up a Google account on your phone, your data is synchronized and backed up on your Google account. To setup a Google account, please do the following: Go to the Home screen Press Menu Tap Settings Tap Accounts & sync Tap Add Account Tap Google Tap Next Tap Sign in Enter the Google Username and Password Tap Sign in The handset will now automatically sync Contacts, Calendar and Gmail with the Google account. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required."
Is it just me or does this seem like a totally irrelivent solution. Surely doing a hard reset will do absolutely sweet FA to resolve an issue with a hardware related issue?!
HTC are so poor.
Sent from my HTC Desire
Insomnious said:
Hm... Maybe a guess. I know, certain people have papillary lines on their finger tips, which are rather noticeable and are really easy to identify. The others don't.
Could this be that the trackpad sensor too much relies on identification of those papillary lines, and in case they're less visible, is unable to "decipher" the moving finger?
And yes, I also can confirms that:
1) Trackpad is more sensitive in Messages app
2) Trackpad is more sensitive when flipping left-right than up-down.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
When I use my thumb tip which is line free apart from finger print using the track off is rubbish, half way down the tip are some lineage using just that section and the track pad improves 10 fold...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Just tried using a blank piece of paper and it works fine for me... maybe its just a bad batch or something like that
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
philje123 said:
Ok so I just got a reply from HTC about this... and their very helpful suggestion:
"Dear Philip,
Thank you for contacting us. In regards to the track pad, I can help you with that. Warning: Resetting your phone will erase all data stored on the phone memory completely. Remember to back up the phone information and settings. To perform a hard reset please do the following: Go to the Home Screen Press Menu Tap Settings Tap Privacy Tap Factory data reset Tap Reset phone It is also possible to perform a factory reset by using the hardware buttons on the phone. 1. With the phone turned off, press and hold the VOLUME DOWN button, and then briefly press the POWER button. 2. Wait for the screen with the 3 Android images to appear, and then release the VOLUME DOWN button. 3. Press VOLUME DOWN to select CLEAR STORAGE, and then press POWER. 4. When asked to confirm, press VOLUME UP Will I lose all my calendar events, contacts and emails if I have to perform a factory reset? Yes, you will lose your data on the phone. However if you have set up a Google account on your phone, your data is synchronized and backed up on your Google account. To setup a Google account, please do the following: Go to the Home screen Press Menu Tap Settings Tap Accounts & sync Tap Add Account Tap Google Tap Next Tap Sign in Enter the Google Username and Password Tap Sign in The handset will now automatically sync Contacts, Calendar and Gmail with the Google account. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required."
Is it just me or does this seem like a totally irrelivent solution. Surely doing a hard reset will do absolutely sweet FA to resolve an issue with a hardware related issue?!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just tell them you tried that and it makes no difference what so ever and there are alot of people who have the same issue (I being one of them).
I mean have you tried playing replica island with the trackpad!? It's impossible..
If any hardware developers read these threads can you PLEASE put a button/switch on the phone that locks all the other buttons other than the camera release?
I was at a concert the other night and I wanted to take a picture or two. I pressed the camera button to go into that mode and changed all the settings to the way I wanted then when I brought the phone up to take a picture I pressed the inconvenient "back" button on my Focus. ARGH! I had to go back into the camera mode again, redo all the settings again and once again, pressed the "back" button AGAIN! It was pretty embarrassing that I had to keep bringing up the camera mode then redo the settings over and over again. This happened not once or twice but throughout the night. If that's a feature that Microsoft wants, then I think it's a crappy one. I finally got fed up and just enjoyed the concert. Maybe that's why they made things so inconvenient.
Can we have at least physical buttons instead of "buttons" that need to be pushed instead of ones that only take a swipe of a finger to activate?
Sounds pretty familiar
capacitive buttons are ****. hopefully with mango you can save camera settings though