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@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz
ive not noticed any significant difference, hell, if you did a door step challenge on me between the two id be guessing
thormdac said:
@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz
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The only thing is the threaded SMS which is really nice and PIE has a zoom feature. I put it on my wifes MDA and she loves the SMS. But I think it's like Windows Vista. It ain't really worth it to upgrade to it if you've got a stable system on XP. I'm sticking with 6.0 until my next device.
I'm still using Meschle's O2 Premium Plus. Fast, stable and just very capable. Man, he was a great chef!
Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months
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Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months
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Yea, that's why I always opt'd for the versions without the cube. Useless anyway. What a joke. And Meschle had a great approach to building his ROMS. Stabilty, speed, & functionality seemed to be the order of priority and I really appreciated that.
As a matter of fact, I just did a hard reset and set my phone up all over again without all the custom phone dialers, themes, weather icons, and today screen changes. The regular ROM dosen't look all that great but it's so fast now. It's amazing how much all those extra cosmetic programs can zap your speed and how much the junk is left from programs that didn't really get uninstalled when you uninstalled them. My phone's always been pretty stable but now it's faster and stable.
Let me state that I have tried in the last couple of days the various flavors of NRG's roms (Sense 2.1 vs 2.5), both 6.5 and 6.5.x, as well as Sergio's and some other roms.
After a number of people in various threads said that Sense 2.5 now runs almost as smoothly as Sense 2.1, I decided to give it a try for the first time in about 6-7 months.
NO WAY.
Anyone claiming that sense 2.5 runs as fast, smoothly or is as responsive as Sense 2.1 on a Rhodium is living in fantasy land. Its not even close. Its bitterly clear that Sense 2.5 is designed to run on 1ghz Snapdragon processors.
Is Sense 2.5 more visually appealing? ABSOLUTELY. For anyone who prefers 'eye candy' as their #1 requirement, I highly recommend you guys try NRG's Sense 2.5 ROM's. All the landscape issues of past months have pretty much been resolved, the icons, animations, etc look fantastic.
But its also a whole lot slower. Just switching between tabs causes lag, not to mention loading apps, emails, txt msgs, etc. It it horrific? No. But is it noticeably slower than Sense 2.1? Yea, for me it was without a doubt.
As for the the other Sense 2.5 ROM's... they all look great as well, both the 6.5 and 6.5.x versions. But in each and every instance, the phone was sluggish with some level of frequency.
I think its too bad that so many chefs are now cooking exclusively with Sense 2.5 ... our phones just cant handle the added resource requirements the way HD2's can.
So for now, I will continue to stick with Sense 2.1 rom's, always based on 6.5 since I hate the buttons at the bottom nonsense. But thats just me.
im with you buddy. I hate the buttons on the bottom stuff and all I wanted from sense 2.5 was the full screen. everything else is just a waste for daily use. To much lag from all the extra graphics.
Agree, 2.1 is the best for Rhodium as for performance!
depends on the build.
True. Me too, I was so tempted to flash the new eyecandy sense, but reading the threads, i've noticed only people that flash their phones 3 times a week (as a hobby or just for trying new stuff) are happy with it. I want more functionality, so I thought is not a good idea, now I see is not only me
I'm going to have to chime in and agree with you guys. I love the look and feel of 2.5, but it is too sluggish for me. I don't mean to dis the chef's here that spend a LOT of time so that we can have it, it's just that our processors aren't quite enough to handle the load. I've flashed just about every sense 2.5 here, and they are all quite slower than 2.1.
Oh, and I'm with you guys on the bottom buttons. IMO it just looks ugly, and seems unstable.
Yes, it's a little bit slower. But there has been a great speed improvement compared to the past. And I believe that the advantages still outweigh the disadvantages. I really don't want to go back to sense 2.1. Yes it's faster, but the way 2.5 looks and works is a great improvement.
And for the comparison between 6.5 and 6.5.X, if you like to have a small X button at the top then stick with 6.5. But if you like to use the phone without a stylus then the bottom buttons are really great. You can press the buttons faster so I think you just need to get used to it
For me 6.5.X with sense 2.5 is the best combo
2.1 all the way
the only difference i see in 2.5 is music tab but basically they're almost the same, 2.5 gives you less icon tab if you want more you have modified and that make it slower and them there's landscape for more they do to it its not perfect. common guy just add what you like from 2.5 to 2.1 and that would make a perfect rom.
2.5 has every tab redone to be more efficient. some builds even have the twitter client, document viewer, ebook reader, and foot prints. some builds, like the 2011 are made for this hardware and work really well. its up to what you like. and 2.1 will probably always be faster. but i like features. if you prefer 2.1, by all means use that instead. im not going to try and convert anybody to 2.5 like a mormon going door to door.
Like the above poster mentioned if your flashing often then I think that everything is snappy. I had so many crashing/freezing problems when 2.5 was cooked in. Everything disappeared when I flashed e2 att rom to my tilt 2 or if I used titanium. I love flashy stuff myself but at the end of the day I need something thats reliable. I want the device waiting on my input not the other way around.
and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow
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and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow
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I had high hopes when I heard about the official ROM with Sense 2.5...but it just wasn't meant to be. To me, it's slow.
Having gone back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM, the performance was like night and day...
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and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow
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Im very interested in that also. Aren't most of the 2.5 manila that installed in most roms from other devices thats tweak to use with tp2. I would give a look at any official rom. Im running official without bloat and havent had a single problem.
the official 2.5 is just sluggish. None of my performance tweaks seems to work. Thats all. Tried it for 4 days and didnt encounter any problem with it except for slow and buggy messaging app. The home screen is noticeably slower when you have the weather up and running.
Overall, i needed a great response from my device, so i revert back to the official 2.1
It surprises me that nobody mentioned that tf3d/sense is just eye-candy in the first place! If you want a fast and stable rom, go for one without it.
Myself, I haven't noticed any severe lag on sense 2.5. It is a bit slower at some times (messaging), but nothing that pushes me back to 2.1.
Just my 2 cents...
i want the today quick launch icons from 2.5 thats all
I have up dated to the new ROM and I really like it asthetically it's pleasing but, as others have said, 2.5 is sluggish on a few things which is slowly becoming annoying. This is notibly when using the hardware keyboard pressing FN and then SMS, very slow.
Not that keen on the SMS app, preferred 2.1's and the calendar has too much of a delay in the agenda view to show all day appointments. The 'built-in' facebook features also seem to be slower than before. I may well go back to 2.1, we'll see.
My 2pence worth.
First of all thanks a lot for making this post as i 'm new to all this and i 'm currently expirimenting with different roms and i couldn't miss the slugginess you all refer too. I had decided that i would put energy rom which looked cool but when talk became action i was kind of disappointed. +i hate the people tab from 2.5. I want to have 3 people in there not 9. why make me? So switched to 2.1 and from now on i will only be looking for roms with that.
Thanks again.
Try the simplicity ROM, its buttery smooth and fast. Energy looks great and has a ton of cooked-in features and apps, but not the fastest. Other fast, lightweight ROMs are Jackos and Valkyrie. Haven't tried those myself, but good comments by other users.
And don't forget, most ROMs take a while to "settle" right after you flash. Give it at least an hour before you start freaking out about lag and slowness.
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First of all thanks a lot for making this post as i 'm new to all this and i 'm currently expirimenting with different roms and i couldn't miss the slugginess you all refer too. I had decided that i would put energy rom which looked cool but when talk became action i was kind of disappointed. +i hate the people tab from 2.5. I want to have 3 people in there not 9. why make me? So switched to 2.1 and from now on i will only be looking for roms with that.
Thanks again.
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Are you relying on the information in an eight month old thread? Sense works wonderfully on the Rhodium. It requires a bit more work than TF3D, but the rewards are well worth it. As far as the people tab goes, you could simply use CHT to put a few contacts in one of the side pages. There's also OCT to look into to overclock the CPU. Running at a constant 748.8MHz makes the entire ROM buttery smooth. I, like most users here find that the benefits far outweigh any negative effects that you might find in the UI. Yes, it requires a bit more tweaking, but it is by far a better one than TF3D.
If you must go for a TF3D ROM, Jackos has a really good one available that you might want to consider.
i own a large amount of htc phones, but my mainphones have always been wizard/hermes sofar. I recently bought a universal, but it's too much phone for me. Too big/i live in a bad triband area. i hate to part with it but ehwell.
my question is, i bought a kaiser yesterday. theres android ports for it, whats the speed of them like?
preferbaly a comparinson to the droid eris, it's the only android phone i've played with.
any input would be apperciated, thanksguys!
Kaiser/Tilt
I have two of them running Android. One is Using the Polyrythmic version the other is the KaiserDroid. Both seem to operate well. I like polyrythmics and Im using it for a daily phone. The other Im still toying with. I suggest you read both threads and make sure you understand what youre doing before you do it.Dont fall into the traps that are well documented. Good luck
What I have noticed
I am using Polyrythmic 2.1b, and love it. I have gone though a few versions with them, in Haret and NAND. I have found that the NAND is faster if you are willing to take the full plunge. I only have one phone and feel fully confident in the release that it has been my daily release since the 2/23/10. A few things don’t work, but they were not biggie items to me. Read as much as you can before making the plunge.
Have to say, both the main eclair versions of android are very good, and there are a number of other flavours as well, myn's warm donut is getting good reviews also.
Recommendations? personally I divide my time between Polymod and Kaiserdroid, and have tried another few 'distros' as well.
The main questions to ask before using android are :
Do I need a working Camera?
Do I need working Bluetooth?
Do I need reliable GPS?
Have I read the Stickies in the ROM development section, and/or flashed HardSPL, upgraded my radio, unlocked security,cid and sim?
If any of the first 3 are 'Yes I MUST have these working' then android is not yet ready for you, there is still some work to be done in these areas.
If you answered the last with 'WTF is HardSPL and why do I need it?' then
you are not yet ready for Android
If you know all this stuff already, then my main advice is this:
Run from Sd card, try a few different distros, get used to the installer, learn what panel type, keyboard and resolution suit your device best, and then it's time for the whole Nand experience
im not going to run into any problems flashing it, i've got no worried about that.
but nobody answered, a) is it faster than wm6 and b) whats the performance hit compared to a native android device?
a) Yes for almost everything I use it's faster than WM6. It has a much faster graphics driver, smoother animations and scrolling, MUCH faster screen rotation. Browsing is faster, messaging is faster, soft keyboard and touch events are MUCH better, SSH is much faster, browsing through photos is faster...
b) Depends on the build. Donut builds are basically as fast as a native device, Eclair builds are fast enough for daily use and getting faster all the time.
Donut runs great and is the most stable, much better user experience than windows all around.
Eclair if you can tweak it to suit you then its a great OS. Probably runs about the same speed as a windows on the kaiser. Still a little glitchy and for the most part all are still in beta form
Tattoo or Hero would be great if speed wasn't an issue
Alright i've recieved the kaiser, i've put kaiserdroid+droidion donut+polys version.
polys ran like hell, im unsure why. maybe ill try off nand, shame becasue its gsm was the only one that half worked.
they accept wifi-on, get an ip, but refuse to actually ping or visit a site. anyone have any input on this?
thanks.
i think most stable rom is here: [Android]The Android Thread [Site Update] on this rom dont work only bluetooth. else everythink other working fully. (exclude market.. it works but when i search ASTRO F. M. it show error something about bad network, but im connected with wifi) but i think its old rom whithout some new functions
I'm not entirely new to Android, I just haven't had a dedicated android phone for more than 3 weeks.
Coming from WM6.5.x on a Touch Pro, even the best ROMs I've installed seem to deteriorate and act weird after a certain amount of time (2 weeks or so).
Has anyone experienced the same behavior with customs ROMs on Android? I'm wondering what the differences are between SIM unlocking a WM device and rooting an android device.
With an expensive device like the EVO, I'm wondering if it's worth rooting it.
Sorry I couldn't think of a better word than "decay" in the subject.
ROM "performance" fragments over time as you write data to the NAND. While not the same, the idea is synonymous with data fragmentation on a HDD. The point is that over time, performance will slow down some, and a "fresh load" of an OS, be it Android, Windows Mobile, Linux or Windows, will always perform better than a dated install.
That said, I've never experienced degradation other than some performance slow down--never had functionality/features break or otherwise behave erratically.
Case in point, my phone batteries now decharge quicker because my screen doesn't turn off after I get an email or something like that. This is the best it's been. Some other ROMs in the past have had weirder effects on the TP, but I can't seem to recollect exactly what they were. sorry. I think mainly they've been related to Manilla.
I can second the usage of WM 6.5 (custom rom) getting worse over time. Ive got one now Im limping along until the 4th. I use SBP Clone on mine s I can reload my ROM when it gets too bad and then use PIMBackup to restore my calls/txt/emails ECT but it still gets aggravating having to do that.
Im hoping for more and something better with Android.
Running damagecontroll's rom on my sprint hero, no problems at all, no instabilities or anything.
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Running damagecontroll's rom on my sprint hero, no problems at all, no instabilities or anything.
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That's good to hear, thanks for the feedback.
ya no problem here with different roms..you probably wont see a million different roms like you see on windows mobile
Hi
After a couple of days of playing around with the vanilj eclair on my kaiser, i realized that actually , for a practical use, android is slower than WM (something i would have never expected)
freshly started it is quite fast and snappy, but then applications slow it down, and it becomes even slower than WM
i am not sure if this is due to haret or why, but it also seems that there is quite little free memory available.
I would like to know if this is the experience everyone here has or if it is just my case
It would be nice to use android as primary OS, but at the moment i feel WM is definitely more usable than android on the kaiser
The Kaiser is a 4-5yr old device. It's got a 400MHz single-core processor, with 32MB of available RAM for the OS.
Android was designed for a 528MHz minimum, 64MB RAM smart phones. Yes our phones are under, but it's at the required point, where Android can run in it's barebones state.
Granted I'm running a Froyo build and my own custom Kernel with mine, and it still runs relatively fast on my phone (a tad faster than WM, but that's speculation).
I've had coworkers at my job complement on how snappy my phone ran. One actually had a Kaiser running WinMo. His Kaiser was less responsive than my kaiser running Android.
I'm running a NAND flash kernel with the build on an SD Card, due to my kaiser's NAND flash being damaged.