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PETITION NOT TO BUY XDA2i

hi
i want to get as many ppl on this band wagon.... DOnt buy any new ppcs.. lets wait it out and try to get companys like o2,vodafone,qtek and imate to give us 2005 upgrades...
i figure if we dont buy..they might just give in...
BTW: applause to HP and dell for the upgrades

Hello!
Do we know that they are NOT gonna offer this upgrade to us?
Björn

well not sure about s and i
but somebody did get some reply to a mail that 1.72 was the last
rom for xdaII from o2 or something

actually no confirmation yet.. but judging from the support or lack of it more to the point from imate etc.. i can safely assume they will not..
plus the best defence is a good offence..

Hello!
Why is everybody complaining about the support? What has happend?
Björn

I'm having trouble understanding how 2005 can realistically work properly on an XDA2...
isn't it a bit like putting XP on a PentiumII 333?
Ant

well newer pda's with 2005 is not that more powerfull then xda2's
cpu speed or memory have not really skyrocket'd that much
newer devices just come with wifi really and maybe 500Mhz cpu's insted of 400
and VGA

RE
I would be happy if O2 gives my O2 XDA II the WM2003SE upgrade... with a small fee though.
What makes you think they would provide the WM2005 upgrade?
I think O2 is trying to monopolize the market.

@zohaer21: i can agree on your frustration cause the product is not made compatible with other types then the xdaII, coincidentally the type being used the most probably and being modified to the rightful end-owners wishes use, likely against the wishes of the developers.
WM2k5 is launched but forgot to mention that at this moment it's only available for a certain type of mobile phone. Which type of wm2k5 is being discussed and described on all the sites? Neato.
Applause to HP & Dell indeed. Their prices are the same as XDA types yet their upgrades on software... ohlala, what a difference.
@WaspWorld: reading many informational sites on Mobile phones, it's more like one local/geographical user will have luck and another can bite the dust, which is wrong yes. Try finding a general QTek support site, you'll end up biting the dust paying more where you bought it.
@ Anton: from what I've been reading here, wm2k5 runs smooth on an xdaII. Isn't more like it's built with more extras, so the end-user would be obliged to buy a new phone because the current phone doesn't support it? Remember the fact that it's (new) software with new 'features'.
I could get XP running on a PentiumI 200MMX, sluggish system but it ran ok, bugged out the non-necessities and it ran better.
@Rudegar: true, so it's not that the xdaII isn't up for wm2k5.

by not upgrading ?
they dont make their money selling the devices
since the device cost alot more if you dont get it
with a cellphoen subscription
so they are spending money when people buy their phones
of cause they plan on making even more on the subscription
the reason i think they would not offer the upgrade is because of
the support cost it would bring yet another platform for their tech's to
advice people about how to get working and how to get working like their old nokia worked and ....
and about monopolize then i guess that depend on where you are
because they are not present here at all

@Rudegar: so true. That's why large OEM companies like HP & Dell have such a large support staff. For the rest of them like most of use are subject to, it's tougher to provide excellent support. I guess that's one of the major reasons for the existence of this forum.

I think they will never offer an uograde to make us looking always for the missing things as I am sure they will never offer us the device of our dreams. there will be always something missing to look forward to buy it when they offer it in a new device lacking some other things,... and so on

Iphone for the Artemis

Hi to all you programmers, would it be possible for you to build a rom for the Artemis that will make it look and feel like an Iphone, i think it would be of benefit for the Artemis as it would use the touch screen system more, i have tried many diff, roms and would like to try an Iphone rom for my phone i would go out and by the Iphone but dont have that sought of money. any way i hope someone will let me know if it is possible to build an iphone for the artemis.

Sounds like combining a car and a motorbike and this is not a trike forum. Of course it's possible but you probably won't find any good chef right now that wants to do that. I suppose the best would be to cook it yourself.

apple are an even more closed software company then ms are
and the hardware is not the same
best you can hope for are the iphone skins i'd say

disgusting request, honestly. if you wanted an iphone, then sell your artemis and get the iphone. you don't list where you are, but if you're in the states, a used artemis isn't worth much less than a new unlocked iphone

You could try this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349861 I haven't myself, sounds like folks say it's a bit slow on some devices but it looks promising for future versions. Not seen an Iphone in the flesh, but I have seen wm6 which without cooking has the most disappointing power to usability ratio, Iphone at least woke us all up a bit.

Problem too, is that "IPhone" is a registred trademark of Apple, the creator of Iphone like for our PDA, in Thailand, was requested to stop anything about "IPhone" creation. Naturally that was too late and there went source code many time downloaded fron his website. At this time there are many free application that look like "IPhone" and one that you can buy on the net is iLaunch.

Android on S620

How much will we wait until htc will public android for are S620 (if it will ever come out).
This is a call to all:
IS THERE ANYBODY WITH SKILLS THAT WOULD LIKE TO START WORKING ON ANDROID S620
I know its not easy but a lot of you have great programming skill, and I'm 100% that something will come out.

You're not going to get it from HTC if it even comes to the Excalibur. HTC have pledged not to "recycle" old Windows Mobile phones for Android. They're planning on issuing different phones with different hardware specs for each respective OS.

besides android is solely based on touch screen and i just dont see how it will work on a non touch screen device which specs are like 2yrs old...im sorry to say but the s620, while is/was a great phone (i have one), technology wise its out of date..most phones that are coming out now(well the good ones)will mostly be touch screen..they are the way of the future and im just waiting to update to the htc touch pro/ raphael
now a phone like that should be more customizable than how the s620 was!!

thedoctor1 said:
besides android is solely based on touch screen and i just dont see how it will work on a non touch screen device which specs are like 2yrs old...im sorry to say but the s620, while is/was a great phone (i have one), technology wise its out of date..most phones that are coming out now(well the good ones)will mostly be touch screen..they are the way of the future and im just waiting to update to the htc touch pro/ raphael
now a phone like that should be more customizable than how the s620 was!!
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Unless the device have a keyboard or keypad, i would never consider a device with on-screen dialer (even the one on iPhone didn't impress me).

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My buddy has a HTC Touch and I hate using it. Texting is such a pain with that onscreen keyboard.

Just my own personal bias, but I'd rather see things like openmoko and qtopia take center stage. Google has the corporate money behind it to put out yet another cash cow. The only difference between Windows Mobile and Android in terms of freedom is the company behind it. There will still be deals with carriers and manufacturers as well as measures in place to limit what you can do with your phone.
I don't understand how people even have phones running Android yet. Google's license agreement for downloading the SDK is so strict, you can't even install it on current hardware without incurring legal action.

beartard said:
Just my own personal bias, but I'd rather see things like openmoko and qtopia take center stage. Google has the corporate money behind it to put out yet another cash cow. The only difference between Windows Mobile and Android in terms of freedom is the company behind it. There will still be deals with carriers and manufacturers as well as measures in place to limit what you can do with your phone.
I don't understand how people even have phones running Android yet. Google's license agreement for downloading the SDK is so strict, you can't even install it on current hardware without incurring legal action.
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I like the openmoko idea but its since forever that's on beta and its a year that they sold out the beta ones. Will the openmoko OS work on S620?
I don't think that android will be available only for touch smartphones, plus I'm sure someone is going customize it for its own phone and he is going to share it.
Your right about the google corp. and restriction even with android will have them, but I think it will be much easier to go around them. I'm looking forward to by the sgh i780 (even if I prefer HTC) they said its going to be 1st phone with android I wonder what price it will hava, I heard that phones with android are going to cost much less but I'm worried about this. How much do I have to wait to see that phone in stores or internet, they said it would of been out by mid jun but still no trace on the web.

I'm doubting anything is going to be ported to the S620. The Xanadux project has been working on Linux-based software for HTC phones for years, and nothing has come out for the Excalibur yet.
I'm not looking to buy an Android phone. Some members of the Android community have said that, even this phone with a free OS, will cost almost the initial price of the iphone. I don't have one of those either

wm7... the end?

Is winmo7 gonna be the end of winmo development here at xda? It's totally new, and its gonna be really hard to port it to existing winmo phones, and its a lot more locked down...

I was wondering the same thing after watching the press event video, which is why I came here to see reaction.

As long as there is a registry it hackable... I feel sorry for HTC or cannot customise their phones to have a unique selling point over other OEM's

It seems MS have built it for the sole purpose of cracking the "consumer" market. Looks incredibly pretty and i'm sure it will "work", however, whether it will be as appealing to the xda-dev community is another question!! A bit too early to say it's the end, but just from viewing the promotional videos, I can see my love for Android growing further!!

windows phone 7 has got me quite excited.. looking fwd to use it come december 2010.

I think you're right that it's just too early to tell. I hope you're right about the registry/hackable comment, though.

I am wondering would Microsoft be so stupid to create almost a totally new OS. If they do, i believe there will some sort of migrator to migrate apps to the new os. However i am seriously disappointed if they decide to remove mutiltask.

6.5.3 will remain alive and well for enterprise and developing markets, so even if we can't port winmo 7 there will still be updates to 6.5. Either way, MS has pretty much destroyed new app development for 6.5, as many of the major players will probably wait to develop exclusively for 7. I'm definately excited about 7 though; in the meantime it looks like android will be your friend if your looking for apps.

I think it will be a new beginning. However, the new SDK will likely be based on WPF or Silverlight, so the .NET knowledge of the current developers can be applied (however, WPF has IMHO a steep learning curve) and some code can be transferred. Game development will likely be based on XNA (you can already create Zune XNA games).
The big question for me is: Is publishing/installation of new applications as easy as it is currently the case? The worst case scenario would be a mandatory marketplace and you have to pay a fee to get your application added. However, I think that Microsoft will be going a developer-friendly way, because the third party applications will make or brake the OS.

The worst case scenario would be a mandatory marketplace and you have to pay a fee to get your application added.
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That's exactly what's happening...

i just hope, that the multi billion dollar companies, make everything in the phone work the way it has to, and not wait till some regular people on this forum turn the phone into a good device.. seriously, i buy a WM knowing that its crap, just cause i know that here on XDA i can fix it and make it how i want it...

I just hope m$ has not gone the apple way blocking all development !
that will be a really really sad day on XDA.
Too early to say.
First few leaks should arrive some months hence.

irdawood said:
As long as there is a registry it hackable... I feel sorry for HTC or cannot customise their phones to have a unique selling point over other OEM's
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I think you didn't paid attention to what was said in the conference.
They said, on top OEM's can customize it to add their experience to it. So HTC and other can customize it, but not to the extend of WM 6.5's case. That's because to give a consistent experience to us ( users ).
Please don't get into conclusion's without understanding what was said.

well here's a video
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-hands-on-and-impressions/

yerand said:
Is winmo7 gonna be the end of winmo development here at xda? It's totally new, and its gonna be really hard to port it to existing winmo phones, and its a lot more locked down...
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no dev's have even gotten their hands on this yet. How the heck would you know what's possible with is and what's not?

Well, it is new, Microsoft stated that it has more restrictions, and its pretty much a brand new os, because microsoft also stated that its built from the ground up, therefore its like porting android to a winmo phone. It has very little of its older winmo roots.

ibsa03 said:
i just hope, that the multi billion dollar companies, make everything in the phone work the way it has to, and not wait till some regular people on this forum turn the phone into a good device.. seriously, i buy a WM knowing that its crap, just cause i know that here on XDA i can fix it and make it how i want it...
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I totally agree with u the reason i bought my htc fuze and sold my nokia phone was because i love how cuztomizeable wm is and even if they become like apple there is always android

But wasnt there supposed to be an OEM version of Windows Mobile 7 that could be customized by third party's such as HTC? From what I saw of the press coverage, we were just seeing the "interface" much like titanium and Touchflo.....but who knows....

semmtexx said:
no dev's have even gotten their hands on this yet. How the heck would you know what's possible with is and what's not?
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It may well be that it is the most easy to crack ever, However, i dobt that
@Microsoft, WHY!!!???! if i wanted an consumer OS, i would of purchased an iBrick
Why not kill 6.6, make 6.9 with the winmo 7 kernal and code in some .NET support and let HTC work it's magic
Badwolve1

for a long time, the older phones (wizard old) have been able to run the newest versions (6.5.3). i think this is gonna end development on those old phones. hopefully we will get it to run on the new phones like the hd2

Replace EVO's Android with Oboe's WinMo, is this even possible?

You can skip to the actual question below if you do not want to read.
I am what you would call a "fanBoy" of WinMo and have been for many years, but for the right reasons. It has provided me with the tools I need and understand with minimal to no trouble, though it may be due to the fact I actually know what my devices are for and can do.
For years now, I have been waiting to replace my HTC Diamond with a WinMo device from either HTC or SE for my current carrier Sprint, we all know the latter isn't happening. The Diamond serve me as much as it was going to, so it was necessary to replace it and since no HD2 or WinMo EVO like device came to sprint I had to suck it up and get the EVO with Android.
Don't get me wrong, Android is a pretty powerful OS in its own right, but not my cup of tea, too "stupid proof" if you asked me, just like IOS... what I need is a WinMo device, of course Windows Phone 7 device, on Sprint. I know Sprint will eventually have one if not late this year early next, but I already have the EVO and came across this article SO I COULD NOT POST A LINK (Google HTC Oboe) and saw an EVO-like CDMA HTC phone. This brings me to the my questions: Do you think replacing Android with workable ROMs of WinMo/WP7 will ever be possible (I know a dual boot on Android device has been proposed yet nowhere to be found), and if so where in XDA could I suggest or request this to be started by some of the developers? I mean the Oboe seems pretty close to the EVO, I am just not sure if the internal components are so compatible when it comes to running a different OS.
Moderators, please excuse my "n00bidity" and my English (not my first lang.), but while I try to be respectful and keep a decent online etiquette, some times I don't know what I am doing. I tried to find the best spot to talk about this idea and ask questions and this area seemed to be the most reasonable one... If there is a better spot, I don't mind it being moved there. I searched and couldn't come up with a conclusive answer so I hope that at least this question helps others asking it as well. Thanks.

Sure I would imagine its possible I mean almost anything is possible. The problem is I highly DOUBT any developer would waste their time porting WM to the EVO.
Its been asked many times before..here is just one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712599

Does this question get asked every other day...or is it just me?

Kshawn said:
Does this question get asked every other day...or is it just me?
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i call troll. this is at least the 3rd thread ive seen.

emyllsomar said:
You can skip to the actual question below if you do not want to read.
I am what you would call a "fanBoy" of WinMo and have been for many years, but for the right reasons. It has provided me with the tools I need and understand with minimal to no trouble, though it may be due to the fact I actually know what my devices are for and can do.
For years now, I have been waiting to replace my HTC Diamond with a WinMo device from either HTC or SE for my current carrier Sprint, we all know the latter isn't happening. The Diamond serve me as much as it was going to, so it was necessary to replace it and since no HD2 or WinMo EVO like device came to sprint I had to suck it up and get the EVO with Android.
Don't get me wrong, Android is a pretty powerful OS in its own right, but not my cup of tea, too "stupid proof" if you asked me, just like IOS... what I need is a WinMo device, of course Windows Phone 7 device, on Sprint. I know Sprint will eventually have one if not late this year early next, but I already have the EVO and came across this article SO I COULD NOT POST A LINK (Google HTC Oboe) and saw an EVO-like CDMA HTC phone. This brings me to the my questions: Do you think replacing Android with workable ROMs of WinMo/WP7 will ever be possible (I know a dual boot on Android device has been proposed yet nowhere to be found), and if so where in XDA could I suggest or request this to be started by some of the developers? I mean the Oboe seems pretty close to the EVO, I am just not sure if the internal components are so compatible when it comes to running a different OS.
Moderators, please excuse my "n00bidity" and my English (not my first lang.), but while I try to be respectful and keep a decent online etiquette, some times I don't know what I am doing. I tried to find the best spot to talk about this idea and ask questions and this area seemed to be the most reasonable one... If there is a better spot, I don't mind it being moved there. I searched and couldn't come up with a conclusive answer so I hope that at least this question helps others asking it as well. Thanks.
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Why do we have at least one of these threads for every phone released. Short answer, no. Long answer, it is theoretically possible but nobody on here is going to head up a project to do this. We are Android "fanboys" and find it to be much better than WinMo. However, if you would be interested in doing this you would have to first modify the bootloader to allow it to even boot WinMo. After booting you would need to make sure all the drivers work with it. Since, unlike Android, WinMo is closed source this is near impossible.

just do me a favor, BUY my HD2 thats sitting in the dust since u love windows so much.

searching does you good.
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