Sorry, this is probably a really stupid question, but if you have an unlocked HTC Hero (i.e. not from T-Mob or Orange), do you still need to root it to replace the roms? On my sim-free G1 from the Google Dev Network, I can replace the roms, but obviously it is aimed specifically at developers so might be different.
The reason I ask is that I have just bought an unlocked HTC Hero with a new contract from Mobiles.co.uk, but customer retention on my existing contract have just offered me a frankly unbelievable deal with a free HTC Magic which is really tempting me. However, if I would not have to root the Hero, but would have to root the Magic and thus void the guarentee, that might swing it.
Thanks!
an "unlocked" phone just means it is sim unlocked and you can use it with other GSM cariers. Just pop in a different cariers sim and you can use the phone on their network.
It does not have anything to do with modding a phone. So if you would like to mod your phone with new roms and what not, root is still required for most situations.
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Just wanting to know why it hasnt been done yet, all the dev guys out the and there is no way of unlocking you phone by eg. putting a new rom on or a simple way to flash something to it which would unlock it, surely there is a way of doing this instead of paying for codes?
This isnt for me by the way mine came unlocked, just for all those who require an unlock it would be great for an easy and cheaper alternative.
Newer phones have better protection and are harder to crack. So anyone who is working at HTC and leaks the unlock database, will be able to provide the codes.
ferraripassion said:
Newer phones have better protection and are harder to crack. So anyone who is working at HTC and leaks the unlock database, will be able to provide the codes.
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what do you mean by better protection? against what unlocking your phone? why not just give the codes out if people request them?
Kickasskev said:
what do you mean by better protection? against what unlocking your phone? why not just give the codes out if people request them?
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The networks often subsidise their phones to get your business. If they didn't lock phones you could buy one for example, on orange, and move to virgin. In this example it would mean Orange have lost money on you.
The networks use locking as a way to recoup their subsidy by keeping your business. However, it only used to be pay and go phones which were locked as pay monthly customers are tied into a contract but lately even pay monthly phones are starting to be locked down more and more.
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The problem is - I am on an 18 month contract with Orange. Irrespective of if I root / debrand / stock rom my phone, Orange still get the money for 18 months! I have to use their version of the OS with "targeted advertising" e.g. Orange maps (paid for) instead of Google maps (free)
Why should I not have the option to choose which OS I am running (under my own risk) whether it be Orange approved or "open source"?
I can easily do it by rooting and debranding - but why should I have to?
aindow said:
If they didn't lock phones you could buy one for example, on orange, and move to virgin. In this example it would mean Orange have lost money on you
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That's why you sign a contract! The thing that locks you into the carrier is not the SIM lock, which can usually be quickly and cheaply removed, but the contract you signed.
If I sign an 18month contact with Orange to get a new phone, and cancel my direct debit to move to Virgin, I can do that whether the phone is SIM locked or not - the only difference is I've had to pay out say £15 to get an unlock code.
So, SIM locking really doesn't do anything at all and is generally just a waste of time and effort.
IMHO, if someone has got a free phone on contract, and then breaks that contract without reason to move to another carrier, they should have their phones IMEI blacklisted because they've essentially renounced any rights to use that device.
Regards,
Dave
hello all,
although i read some topics i couldn't find the answer that's why i need to ask this to all. my friend bought htc desire but without sim-unlock, he said it didn't work although he rooted it. so is there a way for sim-unlock for rooted phones. if yes, i'm going to upgrade my phone from "hero" to "desire"
at least can anyone give me a link for this?
Rooting a phone doesnt give you sim-unlock.
If you want your phone to be sim-unlocked you will either have to buy it like that or obtain the unlock code from your carrier or obtain one online.
I know over at the DHD forum there is a radio s-off tool that also is able to give you sim-unlock but as far as i am aware the same procedure isnt possible for the desire yet.
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Rooting a phone doesnt give you sim-unlock.
If you want your phone to be sim-unlocked you will either have to buy it like that or obtain the unlock code from your carrier or obtain one online.
I know over at the DHD forum there is a radio s-off tool that also is able to give you sim-unlock but as far as i am aware the same procedure isnt possible for the desire yet.
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oh thank you this information is enough for me...i really apprecaiate for your answer
ayk33 said:
oh thank you this information is enough for me...i really apprecaiate for your answer
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Why must the phone be sim-unlocked in order for you to upgrade? Its easy enough to obtain the unlock code from your carrier, even if the ask a small fee ... just phone them and say you are going on a business trip overseas and your phone needs to be sim-unlocked!
And if you are lucky you might even get a sim-unlocked phone from your carrier, depends what your carriers policy is regarding branding etc.
If you want a 'fool-proof' plan to get a unlocked phone just buy online.
You shouldnt let a carriers foolishness of branding and sim-locking their phone prevent you from having a new phone!
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Why must the phone be sim-unlocked in order for you to upgrade? Its easy enough to obtain the unlock code from your carrier, even if the ask a small fee ... just phone them and say you are going on a business trip overseas and your phone needs to be sim-unlocked!
And if you are lucky you might even get a sim-unlocked phone from your carrier, depends what your carriers policy is regarding branding etc.
If you want a 'fool-proof' plan to get a unlocked phone just buy online.
You shouldnt let a carriers foolishness of branding and sim-locking their phone prevent you from having a new phone!
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THE BIGGEST "THANKS" TO YOU you made me wake up with this idea...thank you, i called my carrier and they told me same as you did. so time to upgrade my dearest hero to DESIRE
really thank you
So I'm subscribed to the Verizon M( forum, there are no ROM posts popping up over there. Just so I'm clear, can roms from this forum be used on a Verizon M9 or no?
Thanx for answering my noob question.
Stix-N-Stonz said:
So I'm subscribed to the Verizon M( forum, there are no ROM posts popping up over there. Just so I'm clear, can roms from this forum be used on a Verizon M9 or no?
Thanx for answering my noob question.
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I have never flashed a custom ROM before but as long as you unlock your bootloader through HTC Dev, you should be good to go
Verizon does not allow bootloader unlock. No root for Verizon until exploit is found
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Verizon does not allow bootloader unlock. No root for Verizon until exploit is found
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Oh wow I wasn't aware of that. I bought the dev edition straight from HTC instead of going through AT&T so that I could avoid all of the carrier bloatware., but I didn't realize that they also lock down the bootloader. Verizon and AT&T are really POS carriers. They either lock you into a 2 year contract for a subsidized phone or make you pay full price for the phone over 12-18 months and then lock down the bootloader so you can't actually own your device. My advice, unless you have Verizon (HTC doesn't sell a CDMA unlocked phone), buy directly from HTC and you can do the bill me later option with Paypal and then just pay for it over a year. We need to stop giving carriers our money until they actually change their ridiculous practices.
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Oh wow I wasn't aware of that. I bought the dev edition straight from HTC instead of going through AT&T so that I could avoid all of the carrier bloatware., but I didn't realize that they also lock down the bootloader. Verizon and AT&T are really POS carriers. They either lock you into a 2 year contract for a subsidized phone or make you pay full price for the phone over 12-18 months and then lock down the bootloader so you can't actually own your device. My advice, unless you have Verizon (HTC doesn't sell a CDMA unlocked phone), buy directly from HTC and you can do the bill me later option with Paypal and then just pay for it over a year. We need to stop giving carriers our money until they actually change their ridiculous practices.
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AT&T phones are easy to unlock the bootloader (choose Other @ htcdev.com) / Only Verizon blocks unlocking
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Oh wow I wasn't aware of that. I bought the dev edition straight from HTC instead of going through AT&T so that I could avoid all of the carrier bloatware., but I didn't realize that they also lock down the bootloader. Verizon and AT&T are really POS carriers. They either lock you into a 2 year contract for a subsidized phone or make you pay full price for the phone over 12-18 months and then lock down the bootloader so you can't actually own your device. My advice, unless you have Verizon (HTC doesn't sell a CDMA unlocked phone), buy directly from HTC and you can do the bill me later option with Paypal and then just pay for it over a year. We need to stop giving carriers our money until they actually change their ridiculous practices.
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what's the difference in paying the carrier for the device over a period of time or giving it all to htc at once? You don't actually think the carriers are going to give you a discount do you?
I will give you that the locked bootloader is annoying I don't believe we're providing enough $$ to verizon to make a difference.
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what's the difference in paying the carrier for the device over a period of time or giving it all to htc at once? You don't actually think the carriers are going to give you a discount do you?
I will give you that the locked bootloader is annoying I don't believe we're providing enough $$ to verizon to make a difference.
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That's the whole point, if you do the ATT Next plan or the equivalent plan for Verizon, you will pay the full price of the phone over 12-18 months (depending on which plan you choose), but they give you a phone with a locked bootloader and a SIM lock. If you go through HTC though, you will pay full price (obviously), but you can opt to do bill me later with PayPal and pay it off over a year with no interest. By going through HTC though, you can get a SIM unlocked phone and if you go with the dev edition, the bootloader comes unlocked (no need to go through HTC Dev). Unfortunately for Verizon users, if you want a CDMA phone that has an unlocked bootloader, then you'd need to buy an unlocked (SIM) HTC One M9 from Sprint and then unlock the bootloader via HTC Dev since HTC doesn't sell CDMA phones themselves. To be honest, I'm never going to buy a carrier branded phone again. They come with too much bloatware, they're sim locked, and you have to wait for the carrier to push software updates. In summary, it's ridiculous that carriers allow you to buy a phone, but not really own it.
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Oh wow I wasn't aware of that. I bought the dev edition straight from HTC instead of going through AT&T so that I could avoid all of the carrier bloatware., but I didn't realize that they also lock down the bootloader. Verizon and AT&T are really POS carriers. They either lock you into a 2 year contract for a subsidized phone or make you pay full price for the phone over 12-18 months and then lock down the bootloader so you can't actually own your device. My advice, unless you have Verizon (HTC doesn't sell a CDMA unlocked phone), buy directly from HTC and you can do the bill me later option with Paypal and then just pay for it over a year. We need to stop giving carriers our money until they actually change their ridiculous practices.
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I bought mine off the HTC website for Verizon and the bl can't be unlocked as far as I know. Lol unless I totally read your post wrong. I do apologize if I did
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I bought mine off the HTC website for Verizon and the bl can't be unlocked as far as I know. Lol unless I totally read your post wrong. I do apologize if I did
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You actually mean you can't? Did you try htcdev?
Balian67 said:
You actually mean you can't? Did you try htcdev?
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Yeah I tried, it's the Verizon model I don't think it's anything different than what you get in store.
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Verizon does not allow bootloader unlock. No root for Verizon until exploit is found
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This looks like an old thread but just to clarify there are exploits we can use a Java Card to unlock just find someone nearest you in the Verizon HTC One M9 Java Card thread. We have s-off and root. (just in case someone new see's this thread)
hi so I am looking at buying a new htc 10 for verizon. I am aware that I will not be able to use it on the verizon network unless I root it and tweak some things. On the other hand I could buy the verizon htc 10 and send it to get unlocked. I'm not sure what to do for a couple reasons.
1. If I unlock the verizon phone, will I then be able to use it on GSM networks at a later time and can I get rid of ALL the bloatware (DT Ignite, NFL Mobile, etc...) that an unlocked phone purchased straight from HTC would have?
2. I'm not completely phone literate, but I did root my LG G2 for limited purposes. I'm a college student who studies electronics so I don't imagine it'll be too difficult with guides and youtube but i just dont want to **** up and brick a brand new phone. So would it be worth the effort to root an unlocked phone for verizon or should i just save myself the trouble and get the verizon phone and get it rooted for me?
3. Will my coverage with verizon be the same on an unlocked htc 10?
Thanks in advance guys! much appreciated.
I have a 3 yr old Galaxy S5 I'm about to retire. It was acquired from AT&T. This model has been notoriously difficult to root.
With whatever I get I don't want to be as stuck in no-root hell as I have been with this S5. (The phone itself has been great, I have just wanted to get in and mess with it.)
Generally speaking, if I buy an unlocked phone off of Amazon, for example, are these easier to root than versions that come from the carriers? In my periodic research on rooting the S5, for example, I've found that versions from other carriers are rootable but AT&T's has not been. So that's leading me to believe that the carrier's software is either 1/ more secure or 2/ more vulnerable, depending on the degree to which the carrier invests in making it bullet proof.
I've been so happy with the Samsung, buying an S8 seems quite logical. But like I said, I don't want to be stuck in no-root hell for the forseeable future.
Thanks.
Jim
Essential phone..... cheaper...... mod heaven