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Well, as Zero hour is fast approaching on what i have been told by business cs at T-Mobile (UK) that the TP2 aka Vario 5 will be out on Tuesday (Subject to anymore push backs) i thought id start a thread so we can discuss our findings etc.
I will be giving them a call on Tuesday to see if i can get my grubby little hands on it and will let you all know if i get any success!
Those of you that know me from the Kaiser Section of this board will know I did the same with the Vario 3 and ended up with a huge mass of "Im calling now, cmooooon" and it was rather funny to read!
Jas
I am interested in a vario 5 too. I wonder what the price and contract will be.
Well i spoke to a chap at T-Mobile on Tuesday last week and i asked about pricing and as it wasnt out he couldnt be sure etc but said he thought that it would be free on my account which is a Business Flext 35 + WnW Pro which comes to ~£45/month.
I'll give them a call today and see what they say.
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Well i spoke to a chap at T-Mobile on Tuesday last week and i asked about pricing and as it wasnt out he couldnt be sure etc but said he thought that it would be free on my account which is a Business Flext 35 + WnW Pro which comes to ~£45/month.
I'll give them a call today and see what they say.
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I think it ought to be free for £45 a month. I currently pay half that for the basic package (including the basic webn'walk) which is OK for me.
keep us updated mate, im interested as to when they'll be getting stock, contract runs out on wednesday and mpd have been messing me about a bit!
id imagine it'll be free on a £35/month contract...
Gah, you got a date!
When I rang Orange last week I got 'within the next two weeks'.
Blimey! That would be quick... i remember when we used to wait months from a HTC release to a branded version.
I currently have a pre-order paid for and waiting for an Acer M900 and (diferences aside) I will possibly get which ever I can first .... and as i'm already on TMob, this could be the deciding factor!
Although, after my TD I swore I would never get another HTC device .....
Surely this cannot be true!!!!
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No FM Radio, but I never used it on the Touch Pro
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No FM Radio? Then its a no-buy for me. I need my Absolute Radio going around the M25 in the mornings.
I don't get why everyone trips over the missing radio. If you use the radio a lot, why not buy a portable one (they are cheap) with a 3,5 mm headphone jack.
because i'd then need to carry ANOTHER device in my very small motorbike jacket pockets - so, a converged device (Read, contains FM radio) is exactly what i need.
I just called T-Mobile UK to enquire about the availablility of this phone as I too am due an upgrade and they say it is NOT on there list for release this week
John
hardly surprising that the left hand and right hand dont know what they are doing.
Your best bet, unless your in a REAL rush, is to wait. Wasn't it supposed to be tomorrow? Surley you can wait for that
yah tmob telling me nada to tomorrow
Well an update for you all:
Ive basicly spent the entire day on the phone to T-Mobile (reorganising contracts - not just pestering them about a release date!) and ended up getting quite high up the ladder and they have started playing the "Well it is coming soon but it could be another couple of months yet" card.
To be honest and sorry to let everyone down from an update point of view, ive just ordered one sim free from work so i wont be getting any more updates from them, Although i am on the "High Priority First Call" list so they will call me as soon as it comes out.... apparently, no doubt we shall know here before they ring anyway though.
Mine should be arriving tomorrow and ill try and do a nice review of it but to be honest theres already a few in detail reviews and i doubt mine would cover anything that they havent already done.
I am looking forward to it though i must say!
Jas
i've landed myself an unbranded touchpro2/mda vario v from mobilephones direct on t-mobile uk. yep they are offering the touch pro 2 free on a 18 month contract at 39.15gbp monthly. no need for CID or security unlocks when hardspl get released etc. next delivery on all items so i think thats a smashing deal!
i also signed up with mobilesphonesdirect for the pro2 after i've been told the vario5 should be out by the end of June which i don't want to wait. i prefer the phone unlocked and in it's original design.
mobilephones direct
Can I ask how you guys are getting the phone for free. When I rang up they told me to ring tmobile and find out what my upgrade value was (it was £200). I gave mobilephones direct this and they said the phone would cost me £250 to upgrade. Have you all got higher upgrade status or was I just unlucky and spoke to the wrong person!
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Can I ask how you guys are getting the phone for free. When I rang up they told me to ring tmobile and find out what my upgrade value was (it was £200). I gave mobilephones direct this and they said the phone would cost me £250 to upgrade. Have you all got higher upgrade status or was I just unlucky and spoke to the wrong person!
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It's free on certain NEW contracts.
shingers5 said:
i've landed myself an unbranded touchpro2/mda vario v from mobilephones direct on t-mobile uk. yep they are offering the touch pro 2 free on a 18 month contract at 39.15gbp monthly. no need for CID or security unlocks when hardspl get released etc. next delivery on all items so i think thats a smashing deal!
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You will need CID / Sec Unlock unless you got a pre-release version.
Even then most pre-rel devices are CID locked (by that I mean need Hard SPL to flash unsigned custom ROMs) still. You can check sec unlock status in the bootloader. Does it say Security unlocked at the top?
Dave
how did you get your upgrade value? I've tried and nobody from tmob will give it to me.
Neil.
No longer coming soon...
http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-3090.html
However the web site pricing doesn't work when viewed using Google Chrome as the browser.
Now firing up the spreadsheet to working out the best deal. My t-mobile contract runs out next month
Brought my Tytn from Vodapone and found them helpful when I had hardware problems.
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No longer coming soon...
http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-3090.html
However the web site pricing doesn't work when viewed using Google Chrome as the browser.
Now firing up the spreadsheet to working out the best deal. My t-mobile contract runs out next month
Brought my Tytn from Vodapone and found them helpful when I had hardware problems.
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Anyone without a "business" got one? Anyone had any problems with not owning a business?
Many thanks,
Dave
I got one last week without a business, and they didn't seem bothered at all.
I got mine for £30+vat a month over 18 months and when I've just looked at the website it showed 3 months free. I rang up and complained that I wasn't offered this option, and he politely pointed out that it was for 24 month contracts only. Then he said if I wanted to change to it I could and he dropped the rental to £25 pm
So I have extended the contract AND saved money, are you listening Tmobile?
Thanks stunno, I think I'm going to upgrade... (it's been so long since I got my Kaiser, I've getting nervious )
@lloydsparkes, please don't thread hijack, I've deleted your posts, use one of the many T-Mob threads.
Dave
yeh i got mine from vodafone a week ago and im not a business owner...
they didnt seem too bothered about it either. Got a 25ppm contract for 24 months! figured the phone looks great and hopefully should work well (which it is for now) i didn't mind keeping it for 2 years!
Just a quick update - I was just in the Vodafone branch in Durham who told me that they had an email this morning telling them that the stores weren't going to stock it so it's online/telesales only.
double posting...sorry
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Thanks stunno, I think I'm going to upgrade... (it's been so long since I got my Kaiser, I've getting nervious )
@lloydsparkes, please don't thread hijack, I've deleted your posts, use one of the many T-Mob threads.
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Go for it Dave, you know you want to!
And when you get it, as your first job can you find a way of getting rid of the branding, please?
I've signed up on Vodafone for £34 + VAT per month, 18 months, and get 900 mins + unlimited TXT + 500mb data.
What are you guy's getting for £25 per month? If I'm getting a raw deal I may ask them to change it for me, or I have until Monday to decide to send it back within the 'peace of mind' return period.
I'm getting 500 minutes, unlimited landline and internet (but the AUP will be 50MB) and 250 texts
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I'm selling my touch pro 2, unbranded & unlocked for £500 or best offer if any1 interested
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My condolences mate, hope you find something soonest.
I too am between contracts, the job market sucks in the UK at the moment, but there is always work about as long as one can be humble.
Good luck again.
Cheers,
Beasty
for 25 a month i get 600 mins unlimited texts and unlimited internet i.e 500mb...but i did pay 196 for the phone....now i jus checked the website and they are selling the same contract for 170...i feel a bit cheated! im gna call them tomorrow and ask for a small refund atleast! every little helps!
Elfangor
Apparently you have 7 days 'make your mind up time' on the phone ( although I thought the Distance Selling Regs was 14 days, but could be wrong) so if you are within that you have a good bargaining position
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for 25 a month i get 600 mins unlimited texts and unlimited internet i.e 500mb...but i did pay 196 for the phone....now i jus checked the website and they are selling the same contract for 170...i feel a bit cheated! im gna call them tomorrow and ask for a small refund atleast! every little helps!
Elfangor
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"Every little helps" you didn't buy it from Tesco's surely ?
well being a student in huge debt that is slowly rising means that whatever little i can save elsewhere will help to pay for more beers!
just got off the phone with Vodafone! they are going to credit my account! luv it when they actually listen to you....
Good News! I'm beginning to like Vodafone
Does anyone know if the Vodafone TP2's are SIM unlocked?
Dave
mines sim unlocked.. tried with a three sim and orange...both passed a call test
My one is unlocked too - was using it with T-mobile before my number was ported.
I'm also pleased with Vodafone so far, and there coverage seems better than T-mobile so far where I live in Aberdeen.
no comment... I'm tired of this BS with release dates.
Wha????? noooooooooooooo!! What happened to August 12th? grrrrrr. It figures though. Heck, even Telus (Canada) has there's out already. Price of $249 w/ 3 yr. contract.
Oh well, I shall continue to wait.
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Wha????? noooooooooooooo!! What happened to August 12th? grrrrrr. It figures though. Heck, even Telus (Canada) has there's out already. Price of $249 w/ 3 yr. contract.
Oh well, I shall continue to wait.
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lol it's only 3 days later it's not that bad. at least you have a TIME FRAME to look for for a release. AT&T is being stupid with their TP2 variant.
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lol it's only 3 days later it's not that bad. at least you have a TIME FRAME to look for for a release. AT&T is being stupid with their TP2 variant.
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True. So true. But I sooooooo hate this BB Pearl Flip.
Err, still August 12th
sales rep is wrong, phones are always released on a Wednesday... the date has been stated in multiple internal documents, there is no reason they would push it back 3 days
Weird...I'm visiting Ohio & just asked a tmob sales rep at a mall. He also said Aug. 15th!
Still the 12th.
Training was given over 3 weeks ago.
No price given yet though.....
The myTouch has the limelight because of Google.
I find it funny how I write No Comment. But after that I write a comment about how I feel about that.
My local Tmobile Store told me Aug 12th at first but I called yesterday and they said the 15th too. Maybe they will make it available for online ordering on the 12th and stores will put it out on the 15th ??
I can't wait to switch from ATT. ATT sucks.
Unofficial pricing info: http://www.wmexperts.com/t-mobile-touch-pro-2-pricing-revisited
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My local Tmobile Store told me Aug 12th at first but I called yesterday and they said the 15th too. Maybe they will make it available for online ordering on the 12th and stores will put it out on the 15th ??
I can't wait to switch from ATT. ATT sucks.
Unofficial pricing info: http://www.wmexperts.com/t-mobile-touch-pro-2-pricing-revisited
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no. No. NO. I just talked to Pda/BlackBerry dept. and it is definately the 12th. T-Mob NEVER releases phones on a Saturday. It's just the company's policy. Wednesday is like a "Thank God I am in the middle of the week" release date. I am upgrading from a BB, they have made a special allotment for me , I guess I am just used to HTC phones. The local T-Mob stores don't know nothing. Heck, I went instore yesterday to my fav rep, and she said they didn't even have the display version yet, so how would they know. lol. But then again, she is getting the myTouch 3G so .. well.. .. anyway.
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no. No. NO. I just talked to Pda/BlackBerry dept. and it is definately the 12th. T-Mob NEVER releases phones on a Saturday. It's just the company's policy. Wednesday is like a "Thank God I am in the middle of the week" release date. I am upgrading from a BB, they have made a special allotment for me , I guess I am just used to HTC phones. The local T-Mob stores don't know nothing. Heck, I went instore yesterday to my fav rep, and she said they didn't even have the display version yet, so how would they know. lol. But then again, she is getting the myTouch 3G so .. well.. .. anyway.
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Lets hope so man. I can't wait to get it my hands on it. I will pop by at the tmo store in my neighborhood tomorrow and see whats up.
Maybe that will give me more time to sell my BB 8900. I need a buyer and I don't have one yet. I wont be able to buy the TP2 if I don't get someone to buy my 8900. I will have to get it 2-3 weeks after it drops!
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Maybe that will give me more time to sell my BB 8900. I need a buyer and I don't have one yet. I wont be able to buy the TP2 if I don't get someone to buy my 8900. I will have to get it 2-3 weeks after it drops!
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Try the xda market place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=476
Sweet thanks!
I was on the phone with T-Mobile earlier asking if I have an upgrade. While finding out she asked me what phone I wanted and I said the TP2. She said "that doesn't release until Wednesday!"
All right so I am getting mine tomorrow. My local Tmo store has 6. Guy told me 2 are already spoken for and I just got the 3rd one.
can't wait!!!!!
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All right so I am getting mine tomorrow. My local Tmo store has 6. Guy told me 2 are already spoken for and I just got the 3rd one.
can't wait!!!!!
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Did the guy mention the price? Cause Tmonews got a hold of a price sheet, $349 for 2 year contract
I'm with AT&T, but I really hope that is not going to be the price point.
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Did the guy mention the price? Cause Tmonews got a hold of a price sheet, $349 for 2 year contract
I'm with AT&T, but I really hope that is not going to be the price point.
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I was going to get this phone, but the $349.00 price is outrageous. I am NOT under contract with T-Mobile (customer for SEVEN YEARS), so if they can't come down, I'm walking right over to AT&T. I've been using a Wing for two years and I've been waiting patiently for T-Mo to release a new winmo phone, and the price turning out to be so high after all this waiting has me steamed.
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I was going to get this phone, but the $349.00 price is outrageous. I am NOT under contract with T-Mobile (customer for SEVEN YEARS), so if they can't come down, I'm walking right over to AT&T. I've been using a Wing for two years and I've been waiting patiently for T-Mo to release a new winmo phone, and the price turning out to be so high after all this waiting has me steamed.
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I'm just worried all of the carriers might price it the same.
$349 with a $50 mail-in-rebate I could understand. But $349 and a 2 year contract is really bad.
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I'm just worried all of the carriers might price it the same.
$349 with a $50 mail-in-rebate I could understand. But $349 and a 2 year contract is really bad.
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To add fuel to my fire, they are also going to require a data plan for the entire two years. I live in a rural area, so I am stuck with T-Mo's notoriously slow EDGE network; T-Mo's 3G network doesn't come within 35 miles of my house!
does anybody know the release day for the touch pro 2 for verizon?
please dont tell me you guys dont know this is sad..
it will be late...november dec
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it will be late...november dec
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isnt the release day on Sept the 3rd? or is it just rumour?
Why not call Verizon and ask them?
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Why not call Verizon and ask them?
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because they don't even know?
Release date
From the numerous information that I have obtained over many many forums and insiders and reps, my guess right now is around Sept. 15th.
Again this is just my opinion. It has to be before Oct. which is why VZW's and Sprints have WinMo 6.1. 6.5 is to release in Oct. and neither wanted to wait that long so they are gonna release it before then and I am sure there will be a ROM update to convert to 6.5
I hope this helps a little. The VZW Rep list for "Coming Soon" devices only goes up to Sept. 8th for now.
Im really hoping its early Sept, i dont see why if it was gonna be around mid Sept they wouldnt just push it back till Oct and release it with Wm6.5 instead of doing an upgrade after its released.
HTC Touch Pro2 graces Verizon on September 11
As reported in Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/htc-touch-pro2-graces-verizon-on-september-11/
Verizon Touch Pro 2 9/11/09
Here's another one from engadget. Not sure if I should order it tomorrow or hold off a while with my TP1.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...touch-pro2-prices-it-right-at-200-on-contrac/
Well, since I have AT&T and they are sitting on their ass I wish i could buy the VZ version, unlock it for AT&T. And we know for sure the VZ version has a 3.5mm jack.
What is interesting is that on the VZ website it shows GSM and CDMA radios.
http://news.vzw.com/news/2009/09/pr2009-09-10.html
Wonder if it would work on both networks.
I thought I'd be able to pick up my phone today before leaving on a birthday cruise for my wife, but was disappointed to find out the TP2 was available on line only.
I attempted to order on line twice, having the system hang up on the "accessories" tab, and had to call customer service to place my order. At least my phone will be waiting when I return next week. Now I can dream about my new toy "at sea"!
Some people saying Thursday, some Friday, some Monday.
Anyone had confirmation or have inside T-Mobile info?
Official date touted by T-Mob is the 26th however if their stock arrives early they will be sending it early.
Friday, but probably I will receive it Monday.
You've no chance of receiving it until the 6th at the earliest. No stock will arrive for either phone shops or general retailers until the 1st of April - which unfortunately is the day before Good Friday.
The original 26th projection was erroneous.
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You've no chance of receiving it until the 6th at the earliest. No stock will arrive for either phone shops or general retailers until the 1st of April - which unfortunately is the day before Good Friday.
The original 26th projection was erroneous.
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26th wasn't a projection - it was the date T-Mobile stated for release on their twitter page and to all press contacting them.
I've also been told by 3 seperate customer service agents that stock will be in by 25th - to expect delivery on Saturday 27th.. If you're lucky, Friday 26th. (Which has been confirmed by pretty much everyone on hotukdeals - who have ordered the phone)
So i'm fairly confident i will be getting my HTC Desire at the very latest - Monday 29th of March. Plus i ordered 2 hours after they put up the pricing details, so got in very early incase their first shipment was limited.
Also to note: T-Mobile and all the networks have a window of time on their Credit Check process. 10 days..
So you'd have quite a few very angry customers - who have been debited £164 for the £10/pm price plan (like myself).. And have a credit search added to their credit report - only having to repeat the credit search process again.. As they can't complete on that time frame until despatch has been confirmed.
I was told Saturday by both the guy in T-Mobile store and T-Mobile on the phone. Although the guy in the store mentioned it's a bank holiday on monday so I won't receive it til Wednesday... :S
Ive spoken to a number of authorised HTC vendors who all say that the 26th WAS stated as the despatch date but that this is now April 1st. How can TMobile get it before the factories have despatched it?
Also Friday and Monday are bank holidays so theres no chance of anything arriving then.
I received an email of black market import manager, he pretends he will get it on 1st April in the showroom,if it's true it will be great to spend Easter holidays with a Desire!
Don't ask how he will get it so fast knowing he buy directly from Asian countries, unless he uses air freight it will come by boat and this take plenty of time (10 days)
I forgot to add....my handset will be unlocked and unbranded and the contract is only costing £306 all-in so even if TMobile somehow get their branded stock out first im still happy
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I forgot to add....my handset will be unlocked and unbranded and the contract is only costing £306 all-in so even if TMobile somehow get their branded stock out first im still happy
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Just decided to ring to confirm again
Stock coming in Friday - Should arrive Saturday.. So think where ya getting ya info is incorrect..
1) T-Mobile wouldnt pump out a release date of 26th - and tell all the press aswell
2) I can't imagine they'd waste submitting thousands of credit searchs - only to have to resubmit then and then go through the hassle of removing the original credit search from everyones credit report. As two searchs would have an adverse affect on somebodies credit rating.
3) Doubt they'd be lieing to so many customers about a release of 26th and expected delivery of the Saturday - as everyone on hotukdeals have been told that.. And hundreds of people on there have ordered.
As for phone branding - nobody knows yet what T-Mobile branding will be on the phone. If any.. I'd imagine the battery cover is most likely with the time HTC have had since T-Mobile are getting the first batch.. Simple pop onto ebay in 2/4 weeks and u'll be able to order a replacement cover for £7-10 if you really want.. - As for locking. Not a big deal to people already on T-Mobile like myself - plus unlock codes will be doing the rounds in the next 1-2 months.
As for you getting one for £306 - i giggled - i really did
Some indications that the handset will be completely unbranded physically
- Someone on here on another thread, said T-Mobile UK on twitter informed him of no branding
- T-Mobile HTC Desire competition winner posted a video of his new phone, no branding. He can't however confirm whether its a pre release or T-Mobile retail version
- Chatter on other forums with people confirming the handset will have no branding
I would imagine the phones will come network locked - my personal feeling is T-Mobile wanted to first release of this phone.. As a result - didn't give HTC enough time to brand the device.. Whether this is true of the network lock, network boot logo or firmware.. Is unknown.
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Some indications that the handset will be completely unbranded physically
- Someone on here on another thread, said T-Mobile UK on twitter informed him of no branding
- T-Mobile HTC Desire competition winner posted a video of his new phone, no branding. He can't however confirm whether its a pre release or T-Mobile retail version
- Chatter on other forums with people confirming the handset will have no branding
I would imagine the phones will come network locked - my personal feeling is T-Mobile wanted to first release of this phone.. As a result - didn't give HTC enough time to brand the device.. Whether this is true of the network lock, network boot logo or firmware.. Is unknown.
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Yeah they informed me via twitter that it was going to be unbranded (this was back when I was going to try and get early upgrade rather than buyout and new contract).
If you think about it there is one reason which really sticks out for this, Orange and T-Mobile are merging VERY Soon. They wouldn't want to be merging, changing their name and then having their best handset still displaying the old networks name. That's my opinion on it anyway.
BTW, if it was branded they would have renamed it like the other HTC Android phones, T-Mobile G3 Mytouch 3G or some crap like that...
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Yeah they informed me via twitter that it was going to be unbranded (this was back when I was going to try and get early upgrade rather than buyout and new contract).
If you think about it there is one reason which really sticks out for this, Orange and T-Mobile are merging VERY Soon. They wouldn't want to be merging, changing their name and then having their best handset still displaying the old networks name. That's my opinion on it anyway.
BTW, if it was branded they would have renamed it like the other HTC Android phones, T-Mobile G3 Mytouch 3G or some crap like that...
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Very good point on the handset name - they did indeed rebrand the HTC Hero the G2.. So again that could be a clear indication of no physical branding.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
Just called t-mob again and this time the operator said she thought it wouldnt be available until next Tuesday so probably delivered for next Weds / Thurs.
WTF is going on? Why cant we get a definate date?????????????
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Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
Just called t-mob again and this time the operator said she thought it wouldnt be available until next Tuesday so probably delivered for next Weds / Thurs.
WTF is going on? Why cant we get a definate date?????????????
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It sounds like the initial rumour of them only having 75 handsets is true.
They will more than likely have got way more than 75 handsets. They're probably prioritising the initial stock for "loyal" customers eg Upgrades and everyone else will get the phone when they get more stock which is probably when you said "next Tuesday"
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It sounds like the initial rumour of them only having 75 handsets is true.
They will more than likely have got way more than 75 handsets. They're probably prioritising the initial stock for "loyal" customers eg Upgrades and everyone else will get the phone when they get more stock which is probably when you said "next Tuesday"
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Annoying. I already have a contract with T-mob, this will be an additional contract (which I would think would make me more 'loyal' than someone with one who is upgrading.) But then again I am a bit of a freak. I've ordered 2 Desires so will now have 3 T-mob contracts, one 02 and one Orange. Don't tell my wife....
I still wouldn't hold your breaths thinking you're going to get your handsets before the 6th April. Operators are notoriously slow on the uptake/shady with their sales tactics and all the alternative vendors ive spoken to seemed very erudite and said they were in close communications with HTC, and that all their information was telling them that the 1st April was the earliest shipments could be expected.
I fail to understand why T-Mobile would get the handsets a week before the three largest distributers and resellers in the country with no good reason. If the handsets are available and tested HTC would release them to all clients surely?
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I still wouldn't hold your breaths thinking you're going to get your handsets before the 6th April. Operators are notoriously slow on the uptake/shady with their sales tactics and all the alternative vendors ive spoken to seemed very erudite and said they were in close communications with HTC, and that all their information was telling them that the 1st April was the earliest shipments could be expected.
I fail to understand why T-Mobile would get the handsets a week before the three largest distributers and resellers in the country with no good reason. If the handsets are available and tested HTC would release them to all clients surely?
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It is because T-Mobile have a (albeit very small) time exclusive contract with the Desire.
It's been known for ages, back at MWC infact, that T-Mobile would get the phone at the end of March and other networks would get it in April.
its not a network issue though: contract IS on T-Mobile and is not supplied by any other networks, it is a generic factory model.
Just spoke to T-Mobile & it is an unbranded handset. Still locked to T-Mobile UK and it's meant to be non-software branded but I could be wrong.