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Hi,
I am sure you've been discussing this topic million times, but I'm new in this forum and I'd like to get a good idea on subject PDa's.
In few weks I will buy one, I don't need at all UMTS, on the other hand I may find GPS very useful (I've read, in this forum as well, that P3300's GPS is more performing than P3600's); for this reason I'm heading towards P3300, but I heard that many are complaining about the processor (200 vs. 400 Mhz).
Any suggestion?
Part from processor (is it really a great problem to have 200 Mhz on P3300?) and UMTS, which are the main differences between these models?
How is it possible? More than 120 persons read this post and nobody wasl able to tell me the major differences between P3300 and P3600 part from UMTS, processor and GPS?
Because the information is right in front of you, on this site and on millions of other sites.
Look at all the different bits of info and make your decision from there! No-one is going to come here to tell you what to buy.
HPJ said:
Because the information is right in front of you, on this site and on millions of other sites.
Look at all the different bits of info and make your decision from there! No-one is going to come here to tell you what to buy.
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Thank you very much for your aprreciated kindness; then if you tell me where is "in front of you" I will be even happier; is it too difficult, or are you too intelligent to show me that? Don't you think that maybe in the world there's somebody who's not as expert as you and needs suggestions? Is it a too deep thought for you?
I don't need anybody telling me buy this or buy that, just if there are other differences part from the ones I cited.
there are loads of threads discussing this topic in both forums.
use the search!!
also, why don't you go into the stores and try out the devices for yourself! i too thought the p3600 was gonna be for me but once i tried them side by side the orbit was much more appealing.
go search.
Have you head, fingers and eyes? SEARCH! Do you read? READ!
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Spare him a thought....he may be used to being 'spoon-fed'
Just copy and paste this "P3300 vs. P3600" in search and you will find the answer.
Size, Number of buttons, bus frequency, CPU, Jog Wheel, GPS, FM-radio,RollR, GSM, UMTS
Advantages of 3300: 1.better GPS chip and preinstalled quick-GPS 2.FM-radio, though it's sensitivity is very low 3. It has more hardware buttons, it's convinient as U can preset them as U wish. 4. Small size is the best it's value.
Advantages of 3600: 1.CPU-400Hz, 2.Bus frequency is 32Hz, not 16, therefore it is much faster 3.Jog-wheel and additional OK-button on side 4. it's more suitable if you gonna use several tasks at a time.5. UMTS might be useful in close future 6. Joystick is more habitual, more reliable(I have already had my RollR repaired though I possess my gudjet for couple months), and more usefull in games etc.
However, it's up to U to decide. If I were U, I would choose Trinity, in my opinion it is more modern
It's pretty simple. The 200 Mhz CPU is main disatvantage of the P3300. On the other side: If you don't play heavy 3D games it doesn't really matter. The P3300 is fast enough for everyday Windows work and navigation. For me the P3600 is a design desaster. The plastic looks really cheap. Just try both devices and make your own mind about them
cpu on p36 is not much faster. you can not compare p33 and p36 cpu because it is two completely different technologies. crappy gps chip on p36. crappy design.
buy it, use it for few days, and surely you will come back to store and change it to another device
Yes I agree. Samsung and Omap Platforms are not comparative through the CPU core frequency.
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One small note. 16Hz and 32Hz? It won't be a Hz. Do you think BUS width in bits perhaps.
Thank you very much Nemo8, the Only one, fdp24 and cosinusx.
The others could, at least, avoid wasting space in this forum with their craps!
I can not go in any shop (I am always around the world for business and currently I am in a country where they don't sell them).
I think that a forum is meant to help each others with adivses, if this is not the case in this forum I will not disturb you anymore!
orientale said:
Thank you very much Nemo8, the Only one, fdp24 and cosinusx.
The others could, at least, avoid wasting space in this forum with their craps!
I can not go in any shop (I am always around the world for business and currently I am in a country where they don't sell them).
I think that a forum is meant to help each others with adivses, if this is not the case in this forum I will not disturb you anymore!
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I tell you those people who talk (unhelpfully) smart and rubbish are not the smart people after all! Thats a fact so just ignore them.
nm8 said:
I tell you those people who talk (unhelpfully) smart and rubbish are not the smart people after all! Thats a fact so just ignore them.
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I absolutely agree! Thanks!
nm8 SMART GUY
nm8;
SMART MAN!
What did you do smart for the forum or others?
orientale;
if you ask the question learn to listen. otherwise don't bother use search, if you know how to do it.
...clowns...
The only thing people speaking "rubbish" in this thread mean is: first use search.
It's common knowledge around forums to use search first and then ask questions. If not you get numerous threads asking the same question over and over again.
fdp24
There are lot of tests in net carried out by numerous softwares confirming the fact the gudgets based on OMAP are very slow...though there exist battery status...
cosinusx
You're right, 32 bits width in 3600 and 16bits in 3300
orientale
One important thing left unsaid is that 3600 supports mini SDHC cards on customized WM6 ROMs made by lvsw and mun.There are sdhc drivers for Trinity&WM6 OS. As to 3300, it is yet unclear if it gonna support sdhc format or no. Ciao.
Sjaool said:
Just copy and paste this "P3300 vs. P3600" in search and you will find the answer.
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This is for you, before writing rubbish, inform yourself!!!
As you can see the clue given by you didn't give so many results!
Fora does not need your rubbish-topics!!!
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orientale Today 03:58 AM
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Why I like the P3300:
I like the HTC Rollr, its much more effective than a normal navigation pad if you want to scroll through lists very fast. Of course you can change the rep. speed of your nav pad manually in the system settings but you would have to change back and forth if it is too fast or slow. Also the Rollr-Ball doesn't make any sound if you go into any direction, sometimes usefull for me not to make any clicking sounds. Disadvantage is that you can not press and hold into any direction, for example for playing certain games.
The screen is also very good, brighter than my old Ipaq rx3715 which is already pretty bright. Eight hardware buttons on the front are excellent for handling the device. Only the GSM sound sucks sometimes, I hear mainly low frequencies but this applies only to half of my phone calls, I think mobile to mobile, but don't rely on that info.
The only thing that really sucks is that the Micro-SD card is under the battery and even under the SIM card. The CPU power is low but not too low for me, I'm not playing too much any more. The P3300 is a business phone and not a gaming device, I think they designed it for that purpose and did a pretty good job.
What I like about the P3600:
It has Mini-SD instead which is available at 4 GB much cheaper than Micro-SD and the car-jacket is outside and not under the battery. So I could swap my cards if I had this.
Only other thing I would want is the 400 Mhz processor, I don't care for UMTS at all.
What sucks about both devices:
No standard headset plug.
I bought the P3300 only because I knew that Win Mobile 6 was going to be released for it. If I knew that the P3600 would have it too I'd probably have taken the P3600. Now I only regret having the P3600 because I can't swap my memory card quickly, besides that there is nothing bad about it.
I installed Dutty's ROM this weekend and it works fantastic. I was just wondering if any of you programming genius's (geniui?) had a chance to compare Dutty's ROM to HTC's 1.93 ROM.
I was just curious as to what differences are between the two. Typically, OEM manufacturer's end up making changes to match what the tweakers do first....
Curious....
Mark
Not really. You might find manufacturers keeping quite conservative settings. There's a reason behind everything (and that's called marketting).
For example: FAT / filter cache, which means you access your RAM more often AND keeping the gates alive at all times, at the cost of battery.
Tweaking isn't always what it seems, then again, sometimes you'd be better off not knowing all that stuff.
^.^
adwinp said:
Not really. You might find manufacturers keeping quite conservative settings. There's a reason behind everything.
For example: FAT / filter cache, which means you access your RAM more often AND keeping the gates alive at all times, at the cost of battery.
Tweaking isn't always what it seems, then again, sometimes you'd be better off not knowing all that stuff.
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At almost 46 years of age, it took me a LONG time to realize that manufacturers of anything usually take the conservative road soley because they have to appeal to a wide range of people and for the product to last.
It doesn't matter if it's cars, computers, RC cars or phones... Any manufacturer can make it faster, bigger or quicker... however, at what cost.
In terms of longevity and durabilty (whether it be how long an engine lasts or how long the battery in your phone lasts) it's much easier and much safer to keep a happy medium.
Then the rest of us depend on tweakers like you guys to tweak it.
Thanks,
Mark
Very interesting thread may I say.
I agree, tweaking is forcing the engine. Thus, less efficiency.
And we even have tweakers looking at the possibility of overclocking the device.
Cheers!
I disagree on the less efficiency part. It was the wonderful work of the people here that made our Diamond performed as it should be and with much better battery life.
The engineers at HTC do not have the passion that our cooks have. For them it is a job, just get sufficient done.
For our wonderful cooks, it is passion to make The Perfect ROM.
We are the ones that get to enjoy the fruit.
weenween said:
I disagree on the less efficiency part. It was the wonderful work of the people here that made our Diamond performed as it should be and with much better battery life.
The engineers at HTC do not have the passion that our cooks have. For them it is a job, just get sufficient done.
For our wonderful cooks, it is passion to make The Perfect ROM.
We are the ones that get to enjoy the fruit.
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But there is a give and take... for example, HTC could make it blazing fast. But the give part is they may have to remove some cool programs. TF3D for example.... or perhaps it has a heating problem, blah, blah, blah....
I don't think for a second that HTC can't do it, I imagine there is a reason why....
I mean, think about it.... If HTC could make a few tweaks and make the phone PERFECT with the PERFECT ROM, then EVERYONE would buy it.... more sales, right?
Surely their engineers are capable of doing so, but there's gotta to be a reason why they don't want to make their product better.
Actually, to answer my own question, it's not that they don't want to make it better.... they already think it's great. I think after the public getting their hands on it, they find all the flaws and thus new ROMs to cure it.
Yeah, that's it....
Mark
I have smart tools, most handy thing out of that is the compass basically.
So im asking, what are the best survival apps?
Im no conspiracy nut, but it doesn't take a genius to realize the earth is going through stuff it never has before.
Survival apps meaning:
Any guides (i already have the US army & Navy guides)
Any tools that utilizes the Epic's tech (i.e compass, solar wind activity)
If we do not already, someone needs to start coding some serious apps.
Also, if anyone knows of any good ad-hoc programs for when cell towers go down.
Having a nice shiny phone wont mean **** when the cell towers go down.
Take this seriously, please.
When the towers go down and all that madness starts happening, how do you plan on charging your shiny phone?
Edit: As snide a response as this is, I'm being serious. There's better ways to be prepared.
In all seriousness, anything a smartphone can do (assuming network infrastructure is kaput) is better done with a purpose built tool. If TSHTF, you really think a day or two of battery life is gonna cut it?
Better to get a standalone analog compass, a good set of maps, and a decent Yaesu HT ham radio. No reason to reinvent the wheel.
(Unless you want to play Angry Birds)
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klub242 said:
When the towers go down and all that madness starts happening, how do you plan on charging your shiny phone?
Edit: As snide a response as this is, I'm being serious. There's better ways to be prepared.
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I just thanked you when i meant to quote lol, off to a great start. As for your "response", no ****.
**** hits the fan, you have a phone for 2-3 MAX, what apps are you gonna have that will help you?
You think i assume our Epics are gonna be solar charged or something?
So again, 2-3 days max...what apps are going to be the most helpful?
EDIT: If you're going to state the obvious (phone dying) then dont bother posting, im fully aware of
that as its the big pink elephant in the room.
comedy said:
I just thanked you when i meant to quote lol, off to a great start. As for your "response", no ****.
**** hits the fan, you have a phone for 2-3 MAX, what apps are you gonna have that will help you?
You think i assume our Epics are gonna be solar charged or something?
So again, 2-3 days max...what apps are going to be the most helpful?
EDIT: If you're going to state the obvious (phone dying) then dont bother posting, im fully aware of
that as its the big pink elephant in the room.
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It's okay. I'm thank-worthy. As much as I love technology and the cool things it can do... I wouldn't really bother. You're a lot better off learning basic things like first aid and having the head knowledge than being reliant on anything. Also, it's awfully optimistic to hope for more than 24 hours max if you ask me.
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It's okay. I'm thank-worthy. As much as I love technology and the cool things it can do... I wouldn't really bother. You're a lot better off learning basic things like first aid and having the head knowledge than being reliant on anything. Also, it's awfully optimistic to hope for more than 24 hours max if you ask me.
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Lol, you're an interesting fellow -- interesting is the nicest word I can think of at the moment.
I have everything else covered, dry meals, water filters, i have enough first aid kits to aid a village. I have much more aid that i wont list as it comes from ex-military friends, trust me when I say I have everything else covered.
So again, when TSHTF, what are the most useful apps?
I cant even believe im trying to explain to you the importance of having survival apps on your phone, feel like im taking crazy pills or something.
EDIT: and no, you are not thank worthy -- not even close. Please abandon the thread if you continue to think small small-mindedly, on the other hand
if you want to contribute, please do.
They have solar chargers for laptops which will hold over 10 full cellphone charges and require something like 10 hours of sunlight to get those 10 full charges. With them, you could charge your cell phone as fast as you could with a normal power adapter from the wall.
I think they also have $50 range solar chargers which would hold about 3-4 cell phone charges, and get your cell phone charged fully in 3-4 hours from sunlight or from the built-in battery.
I'll take a stab at a serious reply for ya...
Other than a compass, obviously... A GPS program with pre-downloaded maps might come in handy, something like Gaia GPS, perhaps, where you can get maps with hiking trails listed. I figure if something happens to take out the satellites, you probably wouldn't be around to worry about much else!
My app is called an AR15.
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My app is called an AR15.
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Bigjim1488 said:
My app is called an AR15.
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So, let me get this straight. You shoot people to get directions?
Gotta love 'em rednecks.
Thanks Nabbed & Dalmus, will definitely look into both of those.
As for the others, the ignorance is amazing.
Ill list some of my own if anyone didnt already know about them:
BrightestFlashlight
U.S. Army Survival Guide
U.S. Navy Seal Training Guide (which i downloaded & loaded onto my phone w/ a pdf reader)
Boskoi (utilizes google maps (albeit if its still up) to show you ALL edible sources around you, nuts, fruits, berries, even fungi.
ICE: In Case of Emergence (shows you First & Local responders (police stations, hospitals) and also gives you information on allergies, specific medical conditions,
how to treat someone who is unconscious, ect.
Also remember, if you have some steel wool & enough tinder you can start a fire with your own battery.
Small-minded thinking gets you nowhere, open-minded with a dash of doubt is most important.
Not just outright "Oh you think you're phone will save you?"
No offense, but I'm not sure how this thread even belongs on the XDA forums...
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No offense, but I'm not sure how this thread even belongs on the XDA forums...
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No offense taken.
The right approach would be to think, wow we really do need some handy apps.
I'd code everything myself and not ask a single question but I obviously dont have that knowledge so instead I have to take a gamble, post on here -- & get nothing but ignorant responses.
Except for the few that get what im saying
Nabby & Dal <3
comedy said:
No offense taken.
The right approach would be to think, wow we really do need some handy apps.
I'd code everything myself and not ask a single question but I obviously dont have that knowledge so instead I have to take a gamble, post on here -- & get nothing but ignorant responses.
Except for the few that get what im saying
Nabby & Dal <3
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I'm not sure how my post was ignorant at all, I was kind of thinking the same about this entire thread. This belongs somewhere, yes, but not here. At least take it over to the themes and apps section... And no I don't think we need apps of this kind. If I was worried about something happening, I'd get actual tools designed (and much better) to solve these problems than my cell phone.
you could smash the gorilla glass and use it to skin squirrels and cut paracord.
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So, let me get this straight. You shoot people to get directions?
Gotta love 'em rednecks.
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It's called a map and compass for directions. Gun to hold onto my shiny cell phone that I will wear around my neck as a trophy because that's all it will be good for.
If your really looking for a serious note on this and I am still confused why you'd rely on a cell phone when things go down but I'd get all the guides, local maps, points in interest I.e. police stations, military bases, hospitals and load them into PDF files then save them on your phone so you can have all the info ready. No cell reception required.
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Bigjim1488 said:
It's called a map and compass for directions. Gun to hold onto my shiny cell phone that I will wear around my neck as a trophy because that's all it will be good for.
If your really looking for a serious note on this and I am still confused why you'd rely on a cell phone when things go down but I'd get all the guides, local maps, points in interest I.e. police stations, military bases, hospitals and load them into PDF files then save them on your phone so you can have all the info ready. No cell reception required.
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You'd be much better served with a glock. If you want to shoot bandits in the case of a national emergency, a handgun trumps the rifle.
Also, you seem to be confused, friend. If you are going up against a totalitarian government, then a rifle is a good choice. A handgun is much better in the case of riots. Your confusion seems to stem from the misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. You see, you can fight against injustice with a rifle, but a handgun is much more useful in case of civil disobedience.
I have to repeat these obvious truths 3 times over because rednecks really don't think for themselves.
nabbed said:
You'd be much better served with a glock. If you want to shoot bandits in the case of a national emergency, a handgun trumps the rifle.
Also, you seem to be confused, friend. If you are going up against a totalitarian government, then a rifle is a good choice. A handgun is much better in the case of riots. Your confusion seems to stem from the misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. You see, you can fight against injustice with a rifle, but a handgun is much more useful in case of civil disobedience.
I have to repeat these obvious truths 3 times over because rednecks really don't think for themselves.
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Lol your a tool box good sir. This thread went from worthless to just silly. Who is talking about fighting the government, riots or second amendment. Apparently your idea of $hit hitting the fan is way different then most. This went from joking around to you getting mad. Why so mad?
I'll make it even simpler, a pistol for CQB/CQD and a rifle for anything past that. Take your smugness somewhere else, it doesn't really add much here.
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Lol your a tool box good sir. This thread went from worthless to just silly. Who is talking about fighting the government, riots or second amendment. Apparently your idea of $hit hitting the fan is way different then most. This went from joking around to you getting mad. Why so mad? I
I'll make it even simpler, a pistol for CQB/CQD and a rifle for anything past that. Take your smugness somewhere else, it doesn't really add much here.
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I'm sorry but I didn't read what you wrote. I just pushed the Quote button.
But I digress. Let me give youa piece if advice, mr. Redneck. Go to your backyard immediately and dig a hole. Take that pos ar-15 and bury it in the hole. Then go to your favorite gun store and get yourself an ak.
I don't know if this topic has been bandied about on this forum. I've searched quite a bit and I haven't found anything. Is there any reason why MS has not released BT PAN on our stacks? I know the carriers have the ultimate say on methods used for tethering but not even the factory unlocked models have this wonderful feature. Wi-Fi tethering is nice and all, but it drains batteries like nobody's business, and if you're tethering to a tablet now you have two batteries dying a quick death. One of my favorite features of Windows Mobile after version 5 aku 3 was the internet sharing through either USB or BT. The speeds over BT were the same as any Wi-Fi tethering since it is the phone's same 3G signal anyway. Bluetooth tethering consumes a lot less power than Wi-Fi and with the PAN profile we also get the benefit of file transfer. ARGH!!!!! I hate having to carry an old POS WM6.5 device in my bag for the oft times I need to jack up my laptop when I'm out in the field. If anybody with any kind of influence with MS is reading, can you also throw in the MAP profile while you're at it? Please? Pretty please? With sugar......
This is an exact copy of the same thread that you posted at WPCentral, not enough answers over there for you?
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This is an exact copy of the same thread that you posted at WPCentral, not enough answers over there for you?
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What rock do you live under? I didn't discover warm water here fella, lots of people do this. Do you not hear the same news from umpteen different sources? If you only follow one forum you may be missing out on something.
Hey, fatclue, why do you think that WiFi drains the battery more than Bluetooth? "A lot less power"... Another Magpir user? Any proof: links, spreadsheets, specs, numbers? Or just "from my own WinMo experience"?
BTW, nobody will ever make these ROM modifications - nor manufacturers neither whitehats - 'cause nobody needs it (except you). So, just forget about it. "PLEEEEEEEASE" (even with huge characters!) will not help
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Hey, fatclue, why do you think that WiFi drains the battery more than Bluetooth? "A lot less power"... Another Magpir user? Any proof: links, spreadsheets, specs, numbers? Or just "from my own WinMo experience"?
BTW, nobody will ever make these ROM modifications - nor manufacturers neither whitehats - 'cause nobody needs it (except you). So, just forget about it. "PLEEEEEEEASE" (even with huge characters!) will not help
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Dude, come on. It is widely accepted that a BT radio consumes less power than a Wi-Fi radio. No, I don't have the back-up because it is widely accepted as much as anything else. Do you also need proof if someone tells you the speed of light is approximately 186,000 fps? You must also be one of those idiots that want to see Obama's birth certificate. BT PAN is a very useful profile and I'm not the only one who would prefer to have it. Search around other platforms and you'll see for yourself, or do you want me to do the work for you as well? Would you like links or do you prefer pictures so you don't have to actually read.
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Dude, come on. It is widely accepted that a BT radio consumes less power than a Wi-Fi radio. No, I don't have the back-up because it is widely accepted as much as anything else. Do you also need proof if someone tells you the speed of light is approximately 186,000 fps? You must also be one of those idiots that want to see Obama's birth certificate.
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Mmm... yeah dude. I need to see proof of that. I'm not saying you're lying but that doesn't sound right to me. You may want to check your facts before haranguing people on a forum.
You may have had a very good point here but it just got destroyed by an epic own goal.
Jus' sayin'
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Mmm... yeah dude. I need to see proof of that. I'm not saying you're lying but that doesn't sound right to me. You may want to check your facts before haranguing people on a forum.
You may have had a very good point here but it just got destroyed by an epic own goal.
Jus' sayin'
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My bad, miles per second not feet per second. In my line of work I'm used to feet/second. If you consider Colorado University a respectable enough source, read on.
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/waves_particles/lightspeed_evidence.html
Why's everyone being so mean? Damn, its as simply as someone creating a rom capable of using it but having it turned off for those who don't use it. Its simple. No like anyone needs to get on his case.
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jaywillsoul said:
Why's everyone being so mean? Damn, its as simply as someone creating a rom capable of using it but having it turned off for those who don't use it. Its simple. No like anyone needs to get on his case.
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It's cool, sitizenx posted my partial post in big red bold letters and I realized my mistake and I owned up to it and clarified. I'm not perfect, only my teacher is (Jesus). I can't walk on water or turn water into wine, but I've been known to turn Mad Dog (MD 20/20 for the uninformed) into a chunky liquid, but that's another story.
Mad Dog? That's pretty ghetto.
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Enough off topic here. Double thread anyway. Thread closed.
There are plenty of devices around, but we are lost with a simple task - how to get a device with steps, hr and sleep data accessed directly from a device?
In general we wish to find a device with a very simple developers' manual where there is a description how to get a specific data from a device using only a BT. So no additional apps need to be installed on Android, no cloud solutions sending data somewhere to USA, China and similar.
We tried:
1. Angel sensor wristband - they closed their business
2. Microsoft band 2 (they have their own app, but still..) - they abandoned the product
3. Pebble watch HR - you know the story
4. Mi band
Now we are w/o options and I really wonder:
1. Why every device maker provide their own application (usually with very low quality) which sends data to cloud? Is it:
1.1. because they analyze the data and sell it to some advertisers?
1.2. because they wish to establish Apple like - echo system? C'mon if Apple did it there is no proof that FitBit, Jawbone, Misfit or .. (put a name into it) will do it.
So my question is: is there any device with a small direct access description? We do not need an API, we just need a protocol description..
Why we need that - there are some regulations which forbid to send data somewhere w/o control (like seniorscare, eHealth, military). It is frustrated that we can support more than 100 sensors with out iotool.io smartphone IoT gateway, but no wearables
Any suggestion?
SenLab said:
We tried:
1. Angel sensor wristband - they closed their business
2. Microsoft band 2 (they have their own app, but still..) - they abandoned the product
3. Pebble watch HR - you know the story
4. Mi band
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What's the problem with Mi band and Pebble?
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Now we are w/o options and I really wonder:
1. Why every device maker provide their own application (usually with very low quality) which sends data to cloud? Is it:
1.1. because they analyze the data and sell it to some advertisers?
1.2. because they wish to establish Apple like - echo system? C'mon if Apple did it there is no proof that FitBit, Jawbone, Misfit or .. (put a name into it) will do it.
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I suppose it's because a very small market. Microsoft has decided not to catch users with their bands - it shows us the value of the market for big boys.
chinesesmartwatch said:
What's the problem with Mi band and Pebble?
Pebble bankrupted. It is hard to get Pebble2 HR, no support; it is a new product, so we are not aware about possible firmware bugs etc.
Xiaomi has three wristbands - all three closed. It took us 3 weeks to support one of them . With good documentation the estimated time to make our iotool.io extension for specific sensor: a few hours.
I suppose it's because a very small market. Microsoft has decided not to catch users with their bands - it shows us the value of the market for big boys.
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I agree, however there are hundreds of wristbands around from small manufacturers. Every wristband has its own application with rating on Google Play around 2/5. So it is possible to connect it to Android phone. But there is no documentation about comm. protocol. So wristband manufacturer made a bad application which is bad for business, but still don't wish to provide documentation. I think that is a bad decision (don't wish to use stronger words here )
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there are hundreds of wristbands around from small manufacturers. Every wristband has its own application with rating on Google Play around 2/5. So it is possible to connect it to Android phone. But there is no documentation about comm. protocol. So wristband manufacturer made a bad application which is bad for business, but still don't wish to provide documentation.
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Have you tried to contact manufacturers? It seems that another application for their wristband, which is delivered for free, should be interesting enough. But the problem is to find a proper person, who has some motivation for supporting such offers. Most chinese manufacturers are screened with relatively dumb marketing stuff and their internal bureaucracy is horrible. Aliexpress sellers sometime can provide some pieces of documentation, but it's in chinese and not complete. However, googletranslate can help to get some protocol details. Also it is useful to reverse engineer their applications, but it's very time consuming. Another problem here - how to chose a device without any idea about it's sensors quality and even about the presence of some sensors that often are just virtual things and only able to load some trash from internet.
But if you are a paid worker of iotool.io then may be it is possible to convince your boss to spend some money on a serious screening of at least some manufacturers. Some bracelets are very cheap (5$) and in case of presence of a good application the market share can be very big.
Thank you for your help. I'm a CEO of SenLab, maker od IoTool. And believe me, we invested a lot of resources into that. But, there is no real support, firmware change, models change and similar. It is not possible to support this. And, we do not wish to invest into every wristband, but to ask big players, what is in their mind? Some of applications from big and well known providers are rated around 2 on Google Play. No one wish to use them, but big players are stubborn and just follow their route.
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I'm a CEO of SenLab, maker od IoTool. And believe me, we invested a lot of resources into that. But, there is no real support, firmware change, models change and similar. It is not possible to support this.
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In my opinion if you have enough resources then finding a responsible manufacturer is absolutely possible. Of course, it wouldn't be a big company, but there could be a good and cheap product that requires just a better application. However, I don't know your business strategy and may be such approach is not for you.
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And, we do not wish to invest into every wristband, but to ask big players, what is in their mind? Some of applications from big and well known providers are rated around 2 on Google Play. No one wish to use them, but big players are stubborn and just follow their route.
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Big boys work as follows:
They look at the market, they see a successful company, they copy the company's strategy and don't care about anything else. If anybody want to convince big boys to do something then most probably they think the person wants a free lunch and just ignore him. So, you need some connections within the company or you need a well known name for them to listen to you. And it means just one thing - only small and medium sized companies can be targeted by you (if you haven't connections, of course). But you don't want to invest into every wristband, so, there's nobody left for you - big boys won't listen to you and you won't ask some little boys.
Also the logging strategy of iotool.io is not very convenient for many people. People mostly don't want just a logging of some data from some sensors. They want something more useful, like heart rate monitor or calories calculation. Sensor set is just a way to provide the final product - the really needed in real life. Good sensor set can provide better final product, but the task of deciphering of some useful conclusions from logged data is not for the majority of people. So, you need to connect the logged data with people's needs. And while there's no such connection your product will catch only the small market of enthusiast users.