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Windows Mobile 7 Details Released

http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2008/01/06/exclusive-windows-mobile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Here are the details of the new Windows Mobile 7 due to be released on Devices in 2009.
Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.

Awesome !!!

Maybe a little too awesome. Something like this is just fine for tweakers like us, but something tells me that having to remember what all these different shakes and gestures mean is going to baffle everyday users.
That being said though, the scrollbars, pan arrows and zoom boxes are genuis.

sacwoo said:
Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.
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I have a lot of faiths to the genius developers here in this forum. Having said that, I think I would probably have replaced my Hermes by then.

i would love to have this on my Phone!!! i will tell my brother to shuv his iPhone up his Asssssss

It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes

ViktorX said:
It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes
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Why? Or just a feeling?

I can see this, people walking around and all of a sudden, you see someone just shake their phone. The looks you would get from non tech savvy people.

PaY87 said:
Why? Or just a feeling?
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Just a feeling I think that Hermes don't have enough RAM and ROM for this windows and processor may be to slow (or not)!

at least any wm6.1 around? Just waiting to see next wm6.1 on my hermes, WM7 is still far away ...

This is something that should be launched by Xmas 08 as 6.1 or 6.5. If Samsung can release a bespoke touch phone interface by this Xmas 07 (F700) - what the hell have M$ been playing at?
Sitting on the dubious laurels of WM spring to mind. The fact is that companies like Samsung (i600) and HTC (their touch software/hardware) have done about a million times more to keep WM usable than MS have done.
Remember 09 they will likely be competing with a 2nd or 3rd generation 3G iphone, probably App Unlocked in some ways, and probably Me-Too phones from all the Major phone makers.
Too little too late is my thought.
Another thought does this blog have a legit history of predictions?

yes
hope to have something before 2009
http://www.zooomr.com/photos/[email protected]/

TP2 - WiMo 7? Multi-touch??

Engadget posted a link to a video tour of Windows 6.5. (The video was moved to here).
In the video (about 6 and a half minutes in), they basically say that WiMo 7 is WiMo 6.5 with multi-touch support. The reason we dont have multi-touch now is that all screens are different due to the loose hardware standards resulting in each device needing its own coding. Later with WiMo7, they intend to tighten up the standards to simplify the coding in the OS.
Is it possible that the TP2's hardware already meets those standards? In the AT&T spec leak of the Fortress and Warhawk (and yes, I know none of this can be taken as fact and the dates are obviously WAY off, but why disregard all of it?), they say the Touch Diamond 2 would require a hardware upgrade, but the Touch Pro 2 is upgradable to WiMo7.
Could it be??

yes, just test the guitar-hero game that somebody made.

Very informative...but I am pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 isn't going to be Windows Mobile 6.5 with multitouch...
If it's not going to have large menus and large buttons like Android, iPhone, Symbian, or Pre, than it's for sure not Windows Mobile 7. And if they **** this up I might switch to android or pre.

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And if they **** this up I might switch to android or pre.
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I agree. this may be the last WinMo handset I buy. unless they can pick it up and make it more finger friendly and eye-appealing.
I mean cmon, Microsoft can see that HTC and Samsung are making UI's that practically erase any evidence of WinMo, and they don't take the hint. once I get the TP2 I'm switching over to Android until Microsoft catches on.

Maybe they figure it's better to make a crappy UI that everyone knows how to program for, then let each maker do their own overlay for it.
Let's face it, HTC are obviously much better than MS at making mobile device UIs...

poppinpengawen said:
I agree. this may be the last WinMo handset I buy. unless they can pick it up and make it more finger friendly and eye-appealing.
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This may be the last winmo handset I buy because I fear they'll soon leave behind some of their strengths chasing the capacitative/consumery bandwagon. Fortunately, I expect the TP2 to last a while.

It is a perfect OS, but the reason they can't make the buttons any bigger is because Windows Mobile is also designed for phones with small screens that are less than 2.8 inches. Because of this if they increase the standard in size, well than Windows Mobile (Big Buttons Version) would not be a logical operating system for phones with small screens.
But seriously, Microsoft needs to reassess and make a minimum 3 inch screen limit so they can create a finger friendly standard. And the stylus is still a very welcome accessory with the bigger menus and options.
If Microsoft were smart or had hired smarter people than we would have not have these stupid constraints.

Does anyone know what the required hardware specs are for a pocketpc to support WM7? And does the TP2 satisfy these specs?

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Does anyone know what the required hardware specs are for a pocketpc to support WM7? And does the TP2 satisfy these specs?
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http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4332
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability

poppinpengawen said:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4332
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
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Styli are helpful for many Asian languages (winmo is courting Chinese markets as we speak), and capacitative styli are humongous. Perhaps the capacitative preference for winmo7 explains why winmo6.5 will coexist with it--so resistive screens can hang around and help capture Asian markets.
However, your link prefaces the list with "WM7 Chassis 1 Spec" (note the 3.5" minimum screen size), something that indicates there could be a "Chassis 2" etc.

poppinpengawen said:
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen. Resistive is so much more functional (stylus handwriting recognition, less battery consumption, cheaper, etc.) And it saddens me that they are getting phased out due to all the iphone lovers out there.

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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen. Resistive is so much more functional (stylus handwriting recognition, less battery consumption, cheaper, etc.) And it saddens me that they are getting phased out due to all the iphone lovers out there.
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link indicating the screen technology used in the Touch pro 2 can do multitouch?

crazy talk said:
link indicating the screen technology used in the Touch pro 2 can do multitouch?
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stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
As far as products actually on the market, multitouch does mean capacitative. But for the future, it doesn't have to stay that way.

fortunz said:
Styli are helpful for many Asian languages (winmo is courting Chinese markets as we speak), and capacitative styli are humongous. Perhaps the capacitative preference for winmo7 explains why winmo6.5 will coexist with it--so resistive screens can hang around and help capture Asian markets.
However, your link prefaces the list with "WM7 Chassis 1 Spec" (note the 3.5" minimum screen size), something that indicates there could be a "Chassis 2" etc.
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oh yea, I completely agree with you. I don't see why it isn't possible to just fuse the features of a resistive screen and a capacitive screen together. there's a video (can't remember where I found it...it was somewhere on xda-developers) that shows a resistive screen with multi-touch capability. so that alone shows that it IS possible to have a multi-touch resistive screen. (now that I think about it, it sorta makes sense why the document says "multi-touch" and not simply "capacitive" )
and I have no doubt that there will be a chassis 2. from what I hear, the chassis 1 is being considered Microsoft's "Pink" smartphone. so there's no doubt that the upcoming devices running WM7 will have bigger screens and more hardware, etc.

That video is in linked in the post above yours.
The techs are different, and there will likely always be some tradeoffs. There will never be a complete melding of the two, but some of the biggest concerns can be addressed.

fortunz said:
stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
As far as products actually on the market, multitouch does mean capacitative. But for the future, it doesn't have to stay that way.
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i knew about that.
what i was trying to say was proof the exact screen in the Tp2 can support multi touch. because that was what the person i was replying to was implying.

crazy talk said:
i knew about that.
what i was trying to say was proof the exact screen in the Tp2 can support multi touch. because that was what the person i was replying to was implying.
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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen.
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He said resistive touchscreen can support multitouch. They can. I guess we all agree with each other. Big hugs, all around.

But we don't have the answer yet
Does the Touch Pro 2 have a resistive screen that can handle multitouch or not ...
The video using resistive screen for multitouch uses special hardware chips to handle that.
TP2 does not, AFAIK.

Here's a detailed breakdown on what exactly was learned from the video that Hamburg's referring to.
Seems to me that, technically, WM7 won't be available for the TP2, but we all know there'll be some builds cooked up here that'll work at some point in the future

Technically capable or not I don't think there will be an official upgrade available. In an interview with someone with HTC they said that the upgrade to 6.5 was being done because Microsoft had said they would provide the rights for the free upgrade. I doubt Microsoft would provide two free upgrade rights for the same phone,, and I doubt HTC would shell out the cash necessary to provide a second update either. So in the end, it'd require a cooked ROM. Good thing though is the fact that in one of the many articles around it said the processor would need to be ARMv6, which the Pro2's is.

hepl...............

who have windows7 mobile yet?i need it pleas

ratha4 said:
who have windows7 mobile yet?i need it pleas
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It's not even out yet

In addition, Windows 7 will not be released on the HTC Touch HD (T8282). Currently, only the HTC Touch HD2 (T8585) is set receive an official Windows Mobile 7 update in the distant future.
Regards.

Mastoid said:
In addition, Windows 7 will not be released on the HTC Touch HD (T8282). Currently, only the HTC Touch HD2 (T8585) is set receive an official Windows Mobile 7 update in the distant future.
Regards.
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We are going to get WM7 too..you don't think so? you are so far behind

hello00 said:
We are going to get WM7 too..you don't think so? you are so far behind
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You are wrong mate... Microsoft had already stated that no device that was available at the time of the Windows Mobile 6.5 announcement would receive an offical upgrade.
So there's absolutely no chance Windows Mobile 7 will be available for the HD, only the HD2 and future PDA releases

Mastoid said:
You are wrong mate... Microsoft had already stated that no device that was available at the time of the Windows Mobile 6.5 announcement would receive an offical upgrade.
So there's absolutely no chance Windows Mobile 7 will be available for the HD, only the HD2 and future PDA releases
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You have no idea what the dev's in here are capable of...I mean you should know, you have been here longer than I do and I already know what the dev's in here are capable of..Look how the porting of Android is coming along..you'd be impressed once it's completly done.

hello00 said:
You have no idea what the dev's in here are capable of...I mean you should know, you have been here longer than I do and I already know what the dev's in here are capable of..Look how the porting of Android is coming along..you'd be impressed once it's completly done.
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I do not doubt the ability of any of the developers on xda and i am aware of how well the porting of Android is coming along. For your information, I have spoken to a few friends on xda who have been members of the forum longer than I have and carry good knowledge... they have also confirmed this fact and advised me it's unlikely to happen.

Mastoid said:
I do not doubt the ability of any of the developers on xda and i am aware of how well the porting of Android is coming along. For your information, I have spoken to a few friends on xda who have been members of the forum longer than I have and carry good knowledge... they have also confirmed this fact and advised me it's unlikely to happen.
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You never know man..At first they thought that they werent going to be able to port Android and look how far they have gone. Wait a couple more years, hopefully at the end of this year..and you are gonna have WM7 on your HD

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So there's absolutely no chance Windows Mobile 7 will be available for the HD, only the HD2 and future PDA releases
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Mastoid is right..!
The biggest glitch is the HD's hardware as it is incompatible with WM7 in that the new OS requires a capacitive (multi-touch) screen.
When hardware restrictions are involved, not even the top XDA members can help.

band27 said:
Mastoid is right..!
The biggest glitch is the HD's hardware as it is incompatible with WM7 in that the new OS requires a capacitive (multi-touch) screen.
When hardware restrictions are involved, not even the top XDA members can help.
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i knew there were restrictions but i was unsure of what kind exactly. Unfortunately, as you stated, the HD does not support the pinch-to-zoom feature.
Thank you band27.

If you watch the WM7 UI on youtube..you are gonna see them using the touch pro of choice and some other phones to promote windows mobile 7..so it is obvious that touch pro and diamond users are going to have WM7 on their phones too.
EDIT watch it yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MNbmkes8Lc

hello00 said:
If you watch the WM7 UI on youtube..you are gonna see them using the touch pro of choice and some other phones to promote windows mobile 7..so it is obvious that touch pro and diamond users are going to have WM7 on their phones too.
EDIT watch it yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MNbmkes8Lc
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Time will tell as it is now nothing more then a waiting game.
The full capacity of WM7 can only be unleashed through the proper devices. Diamond and touch pros are not these devices and if WM7 makes it to these devices in some shape way or form, it will be interesting....

The argument in question was specifically dealing with whether or not the HD could support Windows Mobile 7 - it has been justified that it cannot due to hardware requirements... i rest my case.

Mastoid said:
The argument in question was specifically dealing with whether or not the HD could support Windows Mobile 7 - it has been justified that it cannot due to hardware requirements... i rest my case.
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You have not made a valid argument yet you have some weird standards of what it means to have the "hardware requirements" then.
Touch Pro has 528 MHz so does the Diamond, HD, Xperia X1, and the TP2. Devices with 528Mhz and above, are ABLE to run Windows Mobile 7. Enough said ^^

TooHot2Handle said:
Touch Pro has 528 MHz so does the Diamond, HD, Xperia X1, and the TP2. Devices with 528Mhz and above, are ABLE to run Windows Mobile 7. Enough said ^^
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just that you're not unleashing W7's potential.
It's just like having a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, which supports HD videos, on a currently-officially-running-under-Windows-Mobile-6.5 HD2 , or if this is unclear, another example: running Windows 7 on a PC with 200Mhz processor and not-touchable-monitor
here's a major requirement that HD not fulfilled:
Touch: Multi-touch required
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unless you provide resistive multi-touch software and reconfigure our HDs and so on.

WM7 will not be coming to the HD officially or unoffically, case closed....some of XDA's wonder developes may be able to get some builds working on HD, but these will be limited and you will never see wm7's full potential. It would like having a ferrari, but being restricted to 1st gear and 30 miles an hour. May look nice on the HD, but whats the point of having it
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Tilt 2 and WM 7 ?

Hello everyone. Can I have some expert opinion please? Do we think that the tilt 2 which was just released last Oct. and I just got mine last week, will be able to support windows mobile 7? Do we think that AT&T will upgrade the OS when it comes out? Being and owner of win mo phones since the 8125 first came out, I know how slow AT&T is to release updated OS's.

This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...

I'm not an expert at all...
But it seems like it's one thing for W7 to be somehow cooked to run on the TP2, but another thing for it to run well, without excessive lag (for example).

ohyeahar said:
This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
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This is a great point. Whenever someone dares to mention WinMo7 on the TP2, you get flamed and the spec impossibilities yelled at your face. But exactly my point about what people said "couldn't" be done!

It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not

sukru said:
It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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The Zune OS is based off of the Windows CE kernel, which is also the base for Windows Mobile, so there wouldn't be complete incompatibility as some of the false rumors lead you to believe. There are a lot of blatantly false rumors floating around on even the most respected WM sites, so take every unconfirmed rumor you read about WM 7 with a grain of salt.
Though I would love Windows Mobile 7 on the Touch Pro2, I have to say that it's pretty unlikely it'll happen. First, to everyone who gives the example of WM6 running on WM5 devices and WM6.5 running on WM 6.x/5.x devices, the reason this is easy is because all these operating systems (WM5-WM6) run the same Windows CE 5.2 kernel. It's a lot easier to backport an OS when it uses the same kernel. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be based off Windows CE 6 or 7, and it'll likely take a hell of a lot of low-level work to get WM7 on the Pro2.
If you don't believe me, look in this thread at PPCGeeks, where some of the most technical people discuss this issue in more detail. It seems to me that we'll need a new everything, from the SPL and bootloader to new hardware drivers (since it's extremely unlikely that WM7 will support the Qualcomm MSM series considering the rumored WM 6.5.x and WM 7 coexistance scheme, where only 6.5 supports lower end devices and hardware like the MSM series).
I'm not saying I don't want WM 7 on the Rhodium, since I really do, but I am trying to be realistic here, so I'm gonna say it's likely no to WM 7 on the Pro2.

one guy from htc russia announced WM7 minimal requirements: 8Gb onboard, CPU1GHz,FM, 5Mpx,compass,G-sensor,3,6",WVGA.
but of course its not true

My Universal (2005) came with wm5!
Then upgraded to wm6, then to wm6.1 and I got it working with wm6.5
I´m sure the great chefs here will manage something so we can have wm7 for sure!

Windows 7 HD2 Hints from Adobe???

http://pocketnow.com/rumor/windows-phone-7-series-for-htc-hd2-more-proof
"Can Adobe clarify the roadmap for Android and Windows Mobile? Based on what was announced in February and June I was expecting some alpha release during MAX and had planned for that. The announcement at MAX there was to be some preview release in December together with the Open Screen Project partners was unfortunate, but no big problem.. Unfortunately that preview release did not materialize and 2009 has passed. Mobile Flash is different from the regular Flash in that I can not get my developers to just install it on the hardware they have, I need to get funding for new phones, acquire them etc. Budgets do not come overnight, so the sooner Adobe can provide us with a clear roadmap the better.
What I need to know is:
- what will be the first Android phone for which a Flash Player 10.1 alpha/preview will be released?
- what will be the first Windows Mobile phone for which a Flash Player 10.1 alpha/preview will be released?
- When?
To that, the Adobe rep replies:
We're waiting for OS updates from Google and Microsoft before we can distribute a Flash Player Beta. We expect this to happen early this year. Thank you for your patience!
The first Android devices that will support Flash Player are the Droid and Nexus One. The first WinMo device will be the HTC HD2.
And in another reply, the Adobe rep mentions:
You can expect the final release for Android to be available mid-year. All Android devices that meet our minimum s/w and h/w requirements will be supported. Unfortunately, I cannot say a lot more publicly about our port to the Android platform at this time.
As for WinMo, we have made the tough decision to defer support for that platform until WinMo7. This is due to the fact that WinMo6.5 does not support some of the critical APIs that we need.
So wait a sec - if Adobe isn't adding flash to Windows Phone until version 7, and the HD2 will be the first device to have it, doesn't this mean that the HD2 will run Windows Phone 7 Series? Connecting the dots, this seems to be the case."
So what do you guys think????
UPDATE
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13719
Whilst Microsoft may have previously said there were no current devices that were WP7 capable, they may well just have reversed that.
It’s early days yet, and that’s really for our hardware partners to think about.

I cannot think any reason why HD2 cannot use Windows Phone 7 Series.
All minimum requirements are met, except HD2 has 5 buttons while the requirement is only 3 buttons.
That would be OK, there will be 2 buttons unused or even better they can be mapped to certain functionality.
But then it depends on HTC to make it happen .... or XDA gurus here
I also think this will be answered next month during MIX10.

All minimum requirements are met, except HD2 has 5 buttons while the requirement is only 3 buttons.
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lol... it's minimum three buttons of course.

I remain skeptical for several reasons regarding the Win Phone 7 minimum specs;
1. The phone must have back, search and home keys, and the HD2 lacks the search key, as well as the other two having incorrect legend (it might be possible to use the Windows key as the search key though)
2. The phone must have camera and power keys, one of which the HD2 lacks
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
5. There are not supposed to be any other keys, but the HD2 has two phone keys and volume keys
Aside from any possible key mapping, which I suspect Microsoft wouldn't be happy with, the other points lead to a deal-breaking condition.
I can't see how the HD2 would cope with the lack of four-point fingerpress recognition, although I'm not too sure when that would be used other than during two-handed typing using two fingers from each hand?
EDIT: If Microsoft do allow key mapping, then I guess the right-hand phone key could be POWER, and the left-hand one might be the CAMERA button.

Jim Coleman said:
I remain skeptical for several reasons regarding the Win Phone 7 minimum specs;
1. The phone must have back, search and home keys, and the HD2 lacks the search key, as well as the other two having incorrect legend (it might be possible to use the Windows key as the search key though)
2. The phone must have camera and power keys, one of which the HD2 lacks
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
5. There are not supposed to be any other keys, but the HD2 has two phone keys and volume keys
Aside from any possible key mapping, which I suspect Microsoft wouldn't be happy with, the other points lead to a deal-breaking condition.
I can't see how the HD2 would cope with the lack of four-point fingerpress recognition, although I'm not too sure when that would be used other than during two-handed typing using two fingers from each hand?
EDIT: If Microsoft do allow key mapping, then I guess the right-hand phone key could be POWER, and the left-hand one might be the CAMERA button.
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I doubt what's on the keys is going to be a deal-breaker. I mean, MS want people to use this new OS, and HD2 users aren't going to go and buy a new phone for it (in 98% of cases). So I can't see what harm it would do (to either MS or HTC) to bend these stupid marketing rules for existing WM7-capable phones.

Yupe 5 is more than 3, are you happy?
I want to buy HD2 to replace my HTC Kaiser, but I would wait something new from HTC (HD3? *yummy*).
In the meantime, I am playing with Android on HTC Kaiser.
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guys you seriously missing the point adobe have stated that hd2 is going to have windows mobile 7 and all you can do discuss the 5 button problem lol. ive seen a demo of hd2 with flash working on 6.5 so maybe theyve delayed it for 7 because windows 7 utilises the hardware better?

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To that, the Adobe rep replies:
We're waiting for OS updates from Google and Microsoft before we can distribute a Flash Player Beta. We expect this to happen early this year. Thank you for your patience!
The first Android devices that will support Flash Player are the Droid and Nexus One. The first WinMo device will be the HTC HD2.
And in another reply, the Adobe rep mentions:
You can expect the final release for Android to be available mid-year. All Android devices that meet our minimum s/w and h/w requirements will be supported. Unfortunately, I cannot say a lot more publicly about our port to the Android platform at this time.
As for WinMo, we have made the tough decision to defer support for that platform until WinMo7. This is due to the fact that WinMo6.5 does not support some of the critical APIs that we need.
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This is why I hate Internet rumours; people never bother to think.
The two posts being referred to in the Adobe forum are more than a month apart. It's obvious that the decision not to issue a version of FlashPlayer for WM6 was taken during that one month gap.
When the guy posted back in early January, they were still intending to release a version for WM6.5; at that point the plan was that the HD2 would be the first WM6.5 phone able to run it.
By early February they had changed their plans; having discovered that WM6.5 lacks certain crucial API's they decided to cancel the release of FlashPlayer for Windows Mobile altogether, and not release anything for a Microsoft platform until WP7 is available.
There is no logical connection between the HD2 and WP7 there; the two things feature in entirely different plans.

What Shasarak said.

THINK if you have read correctly what i have written than you would understand ive seen a demo of HD2 running flash infact heres a video http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup13.html
the video clearly shows hd2 with 6.5 working with flash so the api bulls*** is rubbish. Even if it was the case that there was some API missing Adobe could have included in the software?????

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My anger wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the idiots at pocketnow who lack basic comprehension skills.
yustheman said:
if you have read correctly what i have written than you would understand ive seen a demo of HD2 running flash infact heres a video http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup13.html
the video clearly shows hd2 with 6.5 working with flash so the api bulls*** is rubbish. Even if it was the case that there was some API missing Adobe could have included in the software?????
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Well, there are two possibilities, there. One is that the so-called Adobe rep quoted at pocketnow doesn't what know what the f*ck he's talking about, in which case speculating about WP7 appearing on the HD2 on the basis of what he says is clearly entirely pointless; the other is that the rep does know what he is talking about, and that what you saw was an alpha version with support for only a subset of Flash functions, and that there will now never be a finished version because some of the missing features require api's that WM6.5 doesn't have.

Shasarak said:
My anger wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the idiots at pocketnow who lack basic comprehension skills.
Well, there are two possibilities, there. One is that the so-called Adobe rep quoted at pocketnow doesn't what know what the f*ck he's talking about, in which case speculating about WP7 appearing on the HD2 on the basis of what he says is clearly entirely pointless; the other is that the rep does know what he is talking about, and that what you saw was an alpha version with support for only a subset of Flash functions, and that there will now never be a finished version because some of the missing features require api's that WM6.5 doesn't have.
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My apologies........

Jim Coleman said:
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
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#3 is a software adjustment. The hardware itself is capable.
I haven't seen #4 listed as a requirement anywhere. Reference? They didn't sound like they were pushing video-calling at all. I don't even think their reference model had a forward-facing camera.

#4 is not a reqiurement
#5 is wrong as well, of course there may be other keys (like send & end)
The search and camera keys are required for new devices, but not a reason not to provide an upgrade.
What I can say is, an official upgrade is possible and seemed very likely from what I've heard some time ago (I can't reveal more, you have to trust me) but the last I've heard was that it's getting increasingly unlikely (lots of politics there...). I expect an official announcement of their decision when it launches in the US.
Right now, it's a waiting game and we can only hope...
And please, don't ask me, that's all I can say.

Seems like the majority of the blogs/sites don't think before posting (or just do it to generate traffic). At least MTW questioned the "realness" of the stuff: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-1-support-for-windows-mobile-6-5-wait-a-sec/
And how the **** did Pocketnow see any hint/connection with a WP7 update for the HD2 is beyond me.

MasterTP said:
At least MTW questioned the "realness" of the stuff: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-1-support-for-windows-mobile-6-5-wait-a-sec/
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My working hypothesis today is that Adobe has indeed cancelled any plans to release Flashplayer for WM6.x, but that they are lying about their reasons for doing so. Happy to be corrected on any point if there is conflicting evidence, naturally.

We've seen Flash 10.1 running on WM6.5, so their statement about missing APIs is clearly a lie.

freyberry said:
We've seen Flash 10.1 running on WM6.5, so their statement about missing APIs is clearly a lie.
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Well, we don't know that every feature of Flash was supported, and we certainly don't know that every feature was supported at an acceptable level of performance.

Seriously, do you think they would have developed it for months if they could have known from the beginning that it would not work?
It was almost ready. They've shown it on video. At that state, you normally know about the APIs you need. Plus, WP7 will offer even less APIs.
Their answer is nonsense. I'm sure they're lying.

Flash is dead.
HTML5 is the new way.
EOS().