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Anybody here work for T-Mobile U.K?

I need to check something about the VarioII on T-Mobile in U.K. If anybody works for T-Mobile U.K please PM me.

yeah... me too... there is much to discuss

What do you need to know Wam7? Is it anything us Vario II owners might know?

Well I got 2 question and 1 favour. You may probably know the answer to the questions. I am planning on defecting from Orange but wanted to know if:
1)T-Mobile has stated any intentions as regard to WM6 on their devices.
2)Does the HSDPA come on the WnW or do you have to have WnW + or the MAx

I emailed T-Mob Uk about the WM6 issue last week:
Mobile USA is going to announce on Monday that it will be offering it's users of Windows mobile 5 devices a downloadable upgrade to Windows Mobile 6. Can you tell me if this will be available also in the UK?
This is the link to the story:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/02/12/HNmstoutswinmobile6_1.html
thank you
and this is the reply I received:
Thank you for your email about upgrading to windows mobile 6.
At present we do not have any WM6 devices for sale yet and have no support for it as an operating system. As such no decision has yet been made on wether or not we will be offering upgrades to this for our current WM5 devices.
T-Mobile USA is a separate company to T-Mobile UK so even if they do announce upgrades for their devices it doesn't not automatically mean that we will as well I'm afraid. For the moment all you can do is wait. Once we do launch any WM6 devices I will be able to give you a definite answer on upgrading.
I'm sorry I could not give you a clearer answer at this time. If you have any further queries please don't hesitate to contact us again.
Kind regards

As above, there has been no announcement about WM6 yet (and not even one about AKU3!). No word about WM6 you can understand but not even a commitment to an AKU is a bit silly.
I spoke to them a while ago and was told that if they consider it offers sufficient functionality improvements they might offer it - otherwise they wouldn't release it.
I also spoke to someone at T-Mob the other day about HSDPA. I'm on the £7.50 a month deal (although I still get 2GB a month rather than 1GB as I signed up before they changed the WnW plans ) and was told that standard WnW has a top rated speed of 1.8 megabits per sec which is HSDPA speeds. I have been able to get 1.2 tops when doing a speed test so it looks like it is enabled by default as I've never had to ring them and say "Oi, add it!"

I am also on W+W standard and my WM6 seems to connect to HSDPA when required without any phone call to T-Mob required.
Having said that, when I did try to call a couple of months back to get it turned on I had difficulty finding anyone who knew what the hell I was talking about, so as far as I am aware it hasnt been specially enabled on my phone/account.

Im on the standard web n walk and get hsdpa speeds. However, a friend recently got a vario ii on a standard web n walk and was told by t-mobile that he would need to either upgrade to wnw plus or increase the contract term from 12 months to 18 months before they enabled it for him.
Confusingly, it would seem he has got it enabled anyway as he can download at aver 1mbit.
Best to give them a ring I think.

That's exactly what happened to me - was told that the standard WnW package didn't include HSDPA so I emailed the CS and complained.
I now have it on.
However, it *is* technically possible, that I hadn't enabled it on the ROM.
But I'm not going to make that public or people will think I'm a n00b ;-)
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Doh!

the MDA vario is capped at 1.8mb/s and the highest speeds i have reached is 1.2mb/s. i read one some reviews that HSDPA is enabled on the phone, therefore you get them speeds reguardless on which tariff you are on. Whe i got my phone on contract they told me i would get the HSDPA speeds on this phone and i wouldnt cost a thing extra.

Well I've all but defected over to T-mobile to enjoy the wonderful bounties of un metered data via WnW. I did see the 'H' replace the 3G icon a few times but when I did a speed test via dslreports I normally got around 380kb/s which I thought must be 3G speeds. (I did enable it on the phone via HTweakC)
When I did call T-mobile they told me it was not enabled on my account and I would have to upgrade to the Web n Walk plus to get it on. Hmm.
edit: On doing a few more tests using the 600k file test I am getting ~600 kbit/sec which is definitely not 3G speeds so I must assume that I am indeed getting HSDPA without it being enable on my account. I'm not complaining.

Wam7 said:
On doing a few more tests using the 600k file test I am getting ~600 kbit/sec which is definitely not 3G speeds so I must assume that I am indeed getting HSDPA without it being enable on my account. I'm not complaining.
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I've been on the basic WnW since last december, and i've been able to get HSDPA speeds up to 1.2mb
What i can tell you from experience working for both T-Mob and Orange in the past is that the mast you connect to only has a finite number of timeslots, each timeslot will allow for a certain amount of bandwidth.
If you are in an area where lots of people are connecting you will get a much poorer bandwidth than on a mast which is quiet, so although you get the HSDPA icon, its not always possible to achieve 1.2mb throughput.

Tmobile changed there web and walk plans around dec 06,
Originaly you could "request" hpsda on there standard W'n'W package by asking for 325k upload to be enabled.
Since the W'n'W package changes they are only ment to give you hpsda speeds on all but the cheapest option.
Imp

Well I can definitely confirm that I have HSDPA on my standard WnW package. In my area the most I get is ~800 kbps. I am not sure why this is as according to everybody I have spoken to it is not enabled on my account. I'll put it down to the power of the phone.

fwiw, i am meant to be on w'n'w+ as of last saturday (though it doesn't show on my account and the guy had no idea what it was or how to do it)
and i'm getting 800kbps according to dslreports test.
i'm not sure how they enforce the differences, if anyone could be so kind as to inform me - though i presume it's throttling or somesuch as the differences between plus and max is using voip and instant messaging
edit: though last night i installed the 1.4 radio rom and now get 1.2mbps all the time

[Q] What will happen if I use my Epic in China?

Traveling to China next week and I know CDMA networks are scarce outside of America. Is there any small chance that Ill be able to roam on some Chinese CDMA network for no extra cost? Im betting not but wanted to ask around anyway.

I think free roaming only applies on the US, PR and USVI. I would recommend getting a cheap GSM phone with their frequencies and get a prepaid SIM while over there.

The world will end.
In all seriousness, it depends on if China has a CDMA network setup that has roaming agreements with Sprint, which would result in international overage fees. Or you could just use google voice over a laptop.

Ancient Chinese secret .... LOL
But really i think they would charge the $#!T out of you....

really wish google voice's voip calls worked in android browser

Check out roamsimple.com and get yourself an unlocked quad band GSM phone. Was a great solution for traveling through about a dozen countries in Europe. Not sure on their coverage in China but they seemed like a reputable company to work with.
Once you leave the states CDMA is just about worthless in 90% of the world.

Agreed with insanity. When I was there you could get a sim for your gsm phone or look at the full bars on your phone and get pissed it wouldn't make calls I did the latter. Had alltel razr and had full signal the entire time I was there, but when I called it would never go through. I think that's why they make global phones
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

Use skype in connection with wifi to make calls? Could be a cost affective way to be able to make calls over there.

[Q] Hardware, roms, and 3G frequencies...

Hi - I'm looking for some good answers - I think I know the basics...
After much shopping, I bought 2 of these...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170623785892&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
(HTC Touch Pro 2 s - the wife likes for our phones to match so I can teach, set up, etc...)
I think they are called T7373 SEA's South East Asia Versions, and I flashed to 2.07.707/4.49.25.91 radio just fine to get current at WM6.5. (I like factory ROM's - the books work, etc - despite my appreciation for the effort to cook.)
Now - I'm currently ATT, and when they go to Data Plan me, I'm going to T-Mobile prepaid.
So - I get to looking at 3g frequencies - of course!
The book for the device says 900/2100 HSPA/WCDMA.
The sellers' ad says
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 or HSDPA 1700 / 2100
(It's not really clear what the 'or' means)
Now, I'm not *****ing at the seller, I want to really understand, and they knew I was US and they asked ATT or Tmobile.
Would they like have reached into one of three bins, to sell me one of three truly different hardware phones - OR - picked a phone up and flashed it (Radio or full ROM) to my provider, or did they just configure the existing system so it picked Tmobile and its freqs for instance? (When the phone boots, it asks T-Mobile or 2 other Asian-sounding systems) How else could the phones do as advertised? (9/21, 8.5/19, or 17/21)
If the frequencies are not a settings, but a ROM/Radio issue, can I load the 'other US guys' flash and have it work?
If not, does anyone know what really is changed in the hardwares (I imagine the antennas' length might vary by X%, but then here that's % of mms.)
Thanks - great answers and experience really appreciated!!

The device in the picture of the ad is a European unbranded model (RHOD100). It's 3G frequencies are on the 2100MHz band. If they sent you the one pictures, you will not get 3G with any US provider. AT&T uses 850MHz and 1900MHz for their 3G service, while T-Mobile uses 1700/2100MHz. 3G radios are hardware dependent, not software dependent. This means that you must purchase the device that contains the radio for the 3G service you wish to use. They will work on 2G networks anywhere in the world. 3G is really the only difference between carriers.
The AT&T device is the RHOD300 model, also known as the Tilt 2. The T-Mobile version is the RHOD210.
The short answer is that if they send you the exact device in the picture from the ad, you will only be able to get 3G in some parts of Asia and Europe.

The description on the eBay listing is just cut and paste from somewhere (like HTC's website), so that is why it says "or" for the 3G bands. One is for the Euro model, the other is for the Asia model. Either way, neither have the correct bands to give you 3G on AT&T or T-Mobile. And as cajun mentioned, bands are hardware dependent, and there is no way to change it.
If you want 3G on AT&T, you need to buy the AT&T branded Tilt2. But since they will be able to read the IMEI number of the phone (since its ATT branded), they will probably add a smartphone data plan very quickly. So its probably not even worth getting a Tilt2, if you don't want a smartphone data plan. If you want 3G on T-Mobile, you need to buy a T-Mobile branded TP2.
Bottom line, if the phones you bought are unbranded, then they don't have the correct hardware to get 3G on either AT&T or T-Mob.

THX
Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
So I'm still wondering... What does HTC actually change in the phones - a crystal (I doubt this in modern times), a chip, a pack, an antenna length? There is a small area in the phone that looks 'potted' we used to call it.
They are way too pretty, and way too functional 'as is' to mess with (so I'm not gonna go module or whatever shopping), and we are pretty much 'emergency only' web people (for maps, pizza places, etc) and 2G will be fast enough. The value of a keyboard for texting, the Windows interoperability, and no damn contract is good enough.
We are deciding which ROM level we want before we try ATT to see if they know the numbers... T-Mobile prepaid is the backup plan.
THX

tshephard said:
Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
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A lie in that it looks like a lazy cut and paste, with either no proof-reading to catch the error, or a seller that does not fully understand what he is selling. They are a high volume seller, and also just used stock photos (not photos of the actual item), so its just a rushed auction posting. I don't think it was an intentional lie meant to mislead you. But if you want to dispute the sale, I think you have very good grounds, since the information in the auction is incorrect, and its actually impossible to tell what exact model (Euro or Asian) they are selling from the description.
AT&T most likely won't be able to correlate the IMEI with the right phone brand/model. But I've seen cases where they think its a smartphone, but the wrong one, and try to add a smartphone plan. I read a post where a guy was using a Nexus One, and their system was reading it as a Blackberry. I think he just told them it was an unlocked dumbphone, and they removed the smartphone plan.

Please Correct me if I'm wrong...
presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.

chris8989 said:
presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.
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Yes, but you will not be able to use any other network's 3G service. The best you will get is EDGE on another network.

To follow up...
ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX

tshephard said:
To follow up...
ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX
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G stands for GPRS, and it is a 2G service. It stands for General Packet Radio Service. It is the slowest data service you can get with speeds normally under 50Kbps. It is occasionally known as 2.5G service.
E stands for EDGE. It stands for Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution. It was a revision to the 2G service implementation and features speeds from about 100Kbps to 250Kbps depending on location, service provider, and signal. It is occasionally referred to as a pre-3G technology. It fits in the ITU's definition of 3G, but few people refer to it as such. It is normally marketed as 2.9G.
UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) was a revision to the voice service, and did not address much data-wise. This was the first widespread usage of the term and use of 3G. It is normally the service that your device is using when it shows the 3G icon. 3G speeds are normally 350Kbps - 500Kbps.
H stands for HSPA. It stands for High Speed Packet Access. It is one step higher than what is commonly known as 3G.It is also known as 3.5G. It features speeds closer to 1.5Mbps. HSPA is normally grouped in with 3G service when it is being discussed.
As for your test with T-Mobile, that wasn't really a fair comparison since you can't get 3G speeds on a Tilt2 on T-Mobile's network. You can only ever get EDGE service. Therefore, you were comparing AT&T's 3G service to T-Mobile's EDGE service. This is like trying to race a Mustang with a Moped. If you get the Rhod210 model, you will get the faster connection with T-Mobile. There isn't much to compare between AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T 3G speeds are slower than T-Mobile. The services are also much cheaper on T-Mobile.

THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?

tshephard said:
THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?
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On AT&T it would be HSPA on the 850MHz and/or 1900MHz frequencies. T-Mobile uses 1700MHz for HSDPA and 2100MHz for HSUPA. The frequencies for 2G services are all the same for everyone. This is why you will get up to EDGE service with any GSM carrier, but never 3G service unless you buy a device that explicitly supports that carrier's 3G service.

T Mobile USA/International One X owners in need of new SIM when...?

Hello all.
It appears we can expect the transition for 3g data on the 1900 MHz PCS band sometime between now and the end of the year as T Mobile is really looking to deploy LTE in 2013.
So, we (T Mo USA customers) all learned the hard way that we needed an older model micro SIM in order to get data on our phone.
Does anyone know if we will need a newer micro SIM (actually-the current micro SIM provided by T Mobile for the One S) to access the 3g data once it has been deployed?
What do you opine? Any insight would be great.
Thanks!

Shouldn't need to. Some places already have the 1900Mhz deployed as test beds and I haven't heard anything about needing a new sim.
All SIMs do nowadays is hold your subscriber number that gets relayed to a tower. That number is then looked up in a database to see if you meet requirements (e.g. are a paying customer, what services you have enabled, etc.).
I have an old SIM from 2007 that I am still using so I it doesn't work I'll let you know
I had no trouble going from a 2G to a 3G device with it if that helps you.
The only thing I'm worried about is if the 1900Mhz will be counted as roaming on AT&T and whether we'll have to pay extra for it.

I'm not getting data. I just got a sim card from tmobile today.
No data for me. Talked to tmobile and they said to talk to HTC.
What should i do?

Ask for an older SIM. The newer SIMs that Tmo has been using haven't worked on One Xs. Try seeing if they have any older miniSIMs and then you can cut it into a microSim.

jonshipman said:
Shouldn't need to. Some places already have the 1900Mhz deployed as test beds and I haven't heard anything about needing a new sim.
All SIMs do nowadays is hold your subscriber number that gets relayed to a tower. That number is then looked up in a database to see if you meet requirements (e.g. are a paying customer, what services you have enabled, etc.).
I have an old SIM from 2007 that I am still using so I it doesn't work I'll let you know
I had no trouble going from a 2G to a 3G device with it if that helps you.
The only thing I'm worried about is if the 1900Mhz will be counted as roaming on AT&T and whether we'll have to pay extra for it.
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T Mobile has roaming agreements with AT&T, so I wouldn't worry about that. With regards to 3g on the 1900 MHz PCS band, it actually has nothing to do with roaming agreements via AT&T. T Mobile is actually reframing their network to allow HSPA and HSPA+ via 1900 spectrum opposed to its current structure which only supports 2g data on the same frequency.
According to T Mobile, they are refarming frequencies of their network to modernize their network; pushing 3g traffic to their 1900 MHz frequency allows them to deploy true LTE on their current 3g AWS bands (1700/2100).
My original concern was, how there is clearly an incompatibility with the newer micro SIMs and the international One X, will that incompatibility cause me to have to switch SIMs when 3g is moved over 1900? I'm not savvy enough to understand the issue between T Mo's current micro SIMs and the reasoning behind the incompatibility with the One X. I certainly don't want to miss out on faster HSPA speeds when it does take off in Boston so, I figured I would ask.
Do you have your One X set to GSM or GSM/WCDMA auto? I currently have mine set on the latter.
Thanks!

AndG404 said:
I'm not getting data. I just got a sim card from tmobile today.
No data for me. Talked to tmobile and they said to talk to HTC.
What should i do?
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There is a thread in the General section discussing this.
You should call into a local store and say you need an older micro SIM, specifically ask for a non GBA micro SIM. If your local store does not have one in stock, the rep might be nice enough to email other local reps and call you back (as they did with me) when they receive a response. Hopefully, you wont strike out. If so, you would have to eBay or Amazon your older micro SIM.
I ended up driving about 10 miles from my office to pick one up as none of the T Mobile stores closest to me (6 of them) had them in stock. When I finally got one, I had never been happier getting Edge speeds in my life, lol.

Thanks, man!
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No prob! Glad I could help

Status update...
I thought it would be courteous to update all reading this thread on my discoveries.
I've re-visited the T-Mobile store with a copy of the information found on this thread in hands, only to find that the guys working on that store are either unprepared or unwilling to help. They told me that T-Mobile only carries one type of micro sim across all their stores, they indicated they were not willing to do the legwork, very disappointing since I've been T-Mobile's customer for over 10 years.
Sounds like the alternative is to dig this special, older micro sim out of ebay or amazon, or move to another provider.
Any other alternatives?

That stinks!
Please know that I too struck out after calling 3 local stores (all within 3-5 miles). You probably got someone with less experience or perhaps you went during store peak hours. I recommend you call a branch (obviously not that one) and ask for a manager. Let the manager know that you are looking for a specific type of micro SIM, a non GBA kind. Let him or her know that you have struck via customer care and that he is your last resort as the T Mobile store closest to where you live no longer carry that SIM.
Out of all of T Mo stores that I called, only one person had no clue of what I was talking about but did get someone else on the phone for me. They all told me they no longer carried the older micro SIM.
Don't let this experience discourage you. If you want it for free, you have to call around.
Last resort would be eBay, etc.
Good luck bro!

Hey guys, im thinking of getting a One X for t-mobile and I want to know if all full size sims are non GBA. i already have a cut down full size sim so will that work in the One X on edge speeds?

Jelly: That's what I did when I first got my international HOX and it worked fine with EDGE. Please share if you start receiving 4G speeds....
Thanks,

Why dont you guys just wait till tmo announces their new htc one+?

[Q] Using my 317 in China

I'm heading to China in a week and want to use my Note II (AT&T) on the China Mobile network. Does anyone have experience doing that?
I have been to my local AT&T store and they unlocked the phone for a non-AT&T SIM but I'm unsure about the Modem I should use (if a change is needed) and any other considerations.
I have rooted the phone and have CleanROM ACE 4.9 installed. No UV or OC or other tweaks.
I can buy a new pre-loaded SIM in China, as I have done in the past, but never with an Android smartphone.
I appreciate any feedback, guidance, or even horror stories that will help me get the phone ready for the trip.
MB

I've heard that you have to use china unicom to get 3g connection on an ATT phone. Is that true?

All, I thought I'd give an update:
I'm in China and can use my Note II here. I bought a micro-SIM and data connection service, but blew through the first pre-payment in about 18 hours, LOL, so now I just use the calls and messaging and that seems to work fine.
AT&T unlocked the phone for me (Even thought I had done it on my own using the "secret" menu) but I had to use some other tweaks to get it all working.
I'm on China Mobile which doesn't have the 3G, wish I had gotten the China Telecom, which does have 3G. There doesn't appear to be any 4G or LTE type service at all.
If I can remember what I did to get the whole thing working I'll edit the post.
Mike "reporting from Shanghai"

mbamberg said:
All, I thought I'd give an update:
I'm in China and can use my Note II here. I bought a micro-SIM and data connection service, but blew through the first pre-payment in about 18 hours, LOL, so now I just use the calls and messaging and that seems to work fine.
AT&T unlocked the phone for me (Even thought I had done it on my own using the "secret" menu) but I had to use some other tweaks to get it all working.
I'm on China Mobile which doesn't have the 3G, wish I had gotten the China Telecom, which does have 3G. There doesn't appear to be any 4G or LTE type service at all.
If I can remember what I did to get the whole thing working I'll edit the post.
Mike "reporting from Shanghai"
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I'm in China now using my i317, you can't use China Telecom's 3G on the i317, you have to use China unicom. That's the same 3G as AT&T. you can have HSPA+(called 4G by at&t) by using this

I was in Shenzhen for work 3 times last year with an unlocked 4S since they could not supply a nano SIM for my 5. I used a China Mobile SIM card supplied by the vendor I was visiting. I was only able to get EDGE the whole time. I visited Luohu and Guangdong as well and still only EDGE. I am heading back on September 18th and am taking my Note II. I assume my experience will be the same. Maybe I will give give CU a shot this time. Happy and safe travels!

Back from China!
I used China mobile, but next time I would use China Unicom. They have faster data and cheaper too, I think.

jedimyndtryx said:
I was in Shenzhen for work 3 times last year with an unlocked 4S since they could not supply a nano SIM for my 5.
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Can't you just trim the sim card to correct size? I used a punch, and use the outside piece when I need a regular size sim.
Anyway, when I travel, I keep a couple of modems on my sd card and flash them until I get the correct frequencies. Before I leave, I save a screenshot of the APN settings for the companies I anticpate using.