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Why is it that there is such a lack of nice apps for WinMo? I love my phone, but i always want something new. A few of my mates have iPhones and some of the apps are amazing, and some more mates have Magic's and the G1. Even Android which is new OS has loads of apps. There must be a reason?
It's so frustrating!! I thought of switching the operating system to Andriod but the Andriod they have now is not perfect for Xperia. I really do not understand whats wrong with Winmo!!
its because its from the 80s
are You guys serious?? there's like sh.. loads of apps 4 winmo. are You looking for some particular app or You are moaning in general? like what important prog do You need? maybe someone in here will care to help...
oh my god...
to think of it there are two websites that can help u..i dont no for sure but just maybe ul find what ur looking for
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rotastrain said:
to think of it there are two websites that can help u..i dont no for sure but just maybe ul find what ur looking for
xda developers
google
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ROFL nice one ...
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ROFL nice one ...
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Was thinking the same thing!
LMao. I was like is there another OS called WinMo? cause Windows Mobile has an a$$load of apps, Im afraid Im gonna fry my Xperia the way I install and uninstall apps
I think what they are suffering from is "crappy site" syndrome.
Whilst XDA is great, the websites selling WinMo software are uniformly awful. Mainly when you google something you get a crap load of 'link' sites the eventualy lead back to Handango etc.
The reason iphone. Android etc seem to have good apps is their app stores which make finding and getting apps incredibly easy.
We just have to hope that Windows Marketplace will be a success, and weed out the 'dross' that clogs up the winmo scene (Not to mention the overpricing)
Microsoft reports more than 18.000 apps for WM.
And I can imagine that a lot more goes un-noticed...
How is that not enough?!?!?
What do you need to do with your PDA?
I sold my home PC, my PDA do all that I need when at home!
As #10 mentioned, there is certainly no shortage of apps but it's just very annoying to have to find them thanks to an absence of a centralized app store. To find apps you want with any efficiency basically requires the use of a PC for WinMo, which is needlessly annoying what with ActiveSync's nonsense and whatnot.
Basically i mean such things as decent games. As in ones that have been thought out and with nice clean graphics and maybe some quirky ones. I like playing games when im bored and i can never find decent ones, or ones as good as the iPhone or Android. Are there some decent games out there for WinMo or not? Ones as good as the iPhone or Android? I think deep down some agreement lies within you all. If not you must know something i dont?!
liam08 said:
Basically i mean such things as decent games. As in ones that have been thought out and with nice clean graphics and maybe some quirky ones. I like playing games when im bored and i can never find decent ones, or ones as good as the iPhone or Android. Are there some decent games out there for WinMo or not? Ones as good as the iPhone or Android? I think deep down some agreement lies within you all. If not you must know something i dont?!
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Yes and No....the problem with the X1 is the WVGA resolution. The majority of the current games use vga/wqvga etc. and so there are not really alot of games that support our resolution natively.
If you wan't a glimpse of what's possible install XTRACT a game specifically designed for the X1:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497425&highlight=games
and below is another link to games that run in WVGA resolution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506420&highlight=games
Oh, i didnt realise the res was the problem. I have the Xtract game, which is pretty cool. Ill check out the link though.
lack of apps?? are u mad. lol. this site alone boasts 6700 winmo apps!
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/
i think its more a case of having a proper look, the apple apps are there all handed out on a plate. whereas the winmobile platform has more people writing their own stuff so its more spread out on the internet.
Lack of apps LMAO.... there is a certain bias on this bs.
I think he is right. Maybe there a lot of apps for Windows Mobile, but what about their quality and compatibily? A lot of them doesn't work on the Xperia cause it's WVGA and even more look like they are from the 80s.
iPhone has a lot of **** apps too, but all of them looking stylish and da compatible.
Only SpB is bringing very nice apps for Windows Mobile!
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I think he is right. Maybe there a lot of apps for Windows Mobile, but what about their quality and compatibily? A lot of them doesn't work on the Xperia cause it's WVGA and even more look like they are from the 80s.
iPhone has a lot of **** apps too, but all of them looking stylish and da compatible.
Only SpB is bringing very nice apps for Windows Mobile!
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Windows Mobile has the BEST alarm software (Connective Tools Alarm Master), BEST music player (Pocket Player), BEST automated software such as wi-fi scheduling (PhoneWeaver), BEST and RELIABLE backup software (Sprite Backup), BEST interface software (WisBar Advance), BEST maintenance (SKTools).
Of course, not only do I think these apps are better than their Symbian, and Iphone counterparts, I think they are best of the best. I am sorry about GA-Alarm I personally prefer alarm master. I have never owned a google OS yet.
And the rest of the other applications are just as good as Windows Mobile but except are made for other system but really there is no difference.
to F-styla: You don't know much about '80s, do Ya? whatever... all I can say is that every single app that I was using on my kaiser is back with me on xperia. vast majority of applications works on xperia, the only problem is when app or game (let's be honest, moaners are talking mainly about games) doesn't have graphics scalling, read: it's not future proof.
face it, low level apis and languages are for hobbyists now adays. programming languages like C# are huge. .Net makes it so easy and quick to write applications. that's what professionals use. the amount of applications released will be explosive. go ahead, go to android, it's crappy java, and if you use the native development kit,it compiles against the old instruction set. android has hardly even made a dent in the market. it will never be mainstream,just like linux. whine all you want, but microsoft got a bad rap because of crappy coders who crashed the os all the time. it is no longer a hobbyist OS but a consumer OS.
no matter how easy C# is and everything but sometimes you still need access to low level functionality. I agree it's a good idea to recommend modern languages for development on WP7 or any future OS but I don't think it's alright to completely deny the privileged mode APIs, like they were previously called on WM. It's alright if you need to get special certificates if you want to do such risky things (you need that already on WM6) but it still should be possible after all.
I agree about the Android part of your post. On this board it seems to get hyped quited a lot but in real life sales are not really that groundbreaking like everyone thinks. WM is still a lot stronger. Still, I don't even see any advantages you'd get with a switch to Android!
I'm a .net dev but there's instances where you need the unmanaged APIs to do things. There's lots of gaps in the .net compact framework.
I got a nexus one for me and my wife. I was a WM fanboy but I have to say I will never use a WM device again. I have a zune hd and it sucks at everything. The new browser is worse then WM 6.5. I think WM7 is gonna fail big time. What are you talking about that android is not getting market share? Android will gain 20% more market share in two years.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100209-717900.html
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_market_share_doubles_will_overtake_palm_soon.php
http://phandroid.com/2009/11/15/android-stealing-symbian-winmo-market-share/
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I got a nexus one for me and my wife. I was a WM fanboy but I have to say I will never use a WM device again. I have a zune hd and it sucks at everything. The new browser is worse then WM 6.5. I think WM7 is gonna fail big time. What are you talking about that android is not getting market share? Android will gain 20% more market share in two years.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100209-717900.html
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_market_share_doubles_will_overtake_palm_soon.php
http://phandroid.com/2009/11/15/android-stealing-symbian-winmo-market-share/
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Noone knows what's going to happen in two years. That prediction was also made before WP7 was announced so it's somewhat meaningless now. Who said the browser is the same one that's in the ZuneHD? The web browser was an afterthought for the ZuneHD and it's a prime feature of WP7. I expect it to be much improved.
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Noone knows what's going to happen in two years. That prediction was also made before WP7 was announced so it's somewhat meaningless now. Who said the browser is the same one that's in the ZuneHD? The web browser was an afterthought for the ZuneHD and it's a prime feature of WP7. I expect it to be much improved.
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I have seen all the wm7 videos and its the same os. They said WM7 would not be based off of the zune hd os but it is. Watch the zune hd videos then WM7 videos. Same os and same browser. They are just adding phone support. I preordered my zune hd and was every unhappy with it. Nothing new or better then ipod. The browser has to be the worst browsing experience ever. Cant download podcast from the phone. You have to dock it and load the podcast on the phone. Cant listen to music without headphones. Tons and tons of stuff that makes you think WTF.
Interesting considering the browser IS different, and you other complaints wont be there on a phone.
Its not the same OS, its just they standardizing there UIs.
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no matter how easy C# is and everything but sometimes you still need access to low level functionality. I agree it's a good idea to recommend modern languages for development on WP7 or any future OS but I don't think it's alright to completely deny the privileged mode APIs, like they were previously called on WM. It's alright if you need to get special certificates if you want to do such risky things (you need that already on WM6) but it still should be possible after all.
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I'm a .net dev but there's instances where you need the unmanaged APIs to do things. There's lots of gaps in the .net compact framework.
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yes i know we need certain APIs to do certain things,but nobody knows yet what the new framework will be like. who's to say what is limited and what isn't when we don't have any of this info yet.
I completely agree with o2neouzr. Whay are people whining about it when they have no idea what will and won't be included in .NET CF 4?
I've only done a small amount of phone development on WM6 and C# has been fine. My app responds to missed calls and texts when I'm on the motorbike. I recently discussed porting it to the iPhone with a friend. It turns out even really basic stuff like sending a text, knowing if you've missed a call, running with the screen off are all impossible on the iPhone - even with approval from Apple. I reckon we'll be allowed to do a reasonable amount. It'll still be better than the crappy iPhone.
Think of an Operating System like the rule of law in a country; now there is a rumor that the supreme leaders decide to enforce that the only dress code allowed is T-Shirt, of course, the rationals in breadth and depth as in any totalitarian country is only known to the supreme leaders.
"Death to fashion designers!" yelled the fanatics.
"They can't see the simplicity of T-Shirt!" chimed the supporters.
" It is easy to make!!" cried the guards.
" It takes only a minute to paint!!!" said the propagandist.
" It is ready for mass market!!!!" snapped the enforcers to anyone who dare to challenge the new establishment.
"Burn in hell for daring to wear any other dress! T-Shirt is the future! Any one wearing dress is living in the stone age !"
Of course it is hard for concern citizens like we, fashion designers - native developers, to have a decent conversation with this group of people. How can words explain the beauty of our love ones (customers), walking through the crowds of T-Shirts --- in designers' dress. How can we explain the search of excellence, as the way of life, to so many of us, perfecting the art, year after year, to bring out the best of us for the world to see the beauty of free expression.
It is not like that we can't make T-Shirt, it is no-brainer for most of us. The beauty of simplicity is simple but not simpler. A native developers try to achieve simplicity without making things simpler.
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I completely agree with o2neouzr. Whay are people whining about it when they have no idea what will and won't be included in .NET CF 4?
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It's not really about having the limited stuff of .NET CF in mind and doing PInvoke for really standard issues. It's about the whole architecture of the runtime. can you do DLL injection or hook into another process with .NET? Not at all. DLLs don't even exist there. You understand... we need the native API if we want to do all the funny things. Recent example: On the Omnia2 there's the taskmon service running which is closing applications if you open more than 3 or 4 (!!!!). chainfire guy wrote a tool that injects into the service to stop this nonsense. More examples are the File explorer extensions, Quick menu, XTask etc. You don't need this stuff? Fine! Go get an iphone!
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It's not really about having the limited stuff of .NET CF in mind and doing PInvoke for really standard issues. It's about the whole architecture of the runtime. can you do DLL injection or hook into another process with .NET? Not at all. DLLs don't even exist there. You understand... we need the native API if we want to do all the funny things. Recent example: On the Omnia2 there's the taskmon service running which is closing applications if you open more than 3 or 4 (!!!!). chainfire guy wrote a tool that injects into the service to stop this nonsense. More examples are the File explorer extensions, Quick menu, XTask etc. You don't need this stuff? Fine! Go get an iphone!
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Ummmmmmmmmm DLLs do exist in .net. In fact, pretty much the entire .net framework is just a collection of DLLs. Have you ever even written a .net app or any software at all for that matter? It seems your hatred is extremely unfounded.
There likely won't be a file explorer to extend and all of the other things you list get into modifying the UI so those won't be allowed either. They're ugly hacks that shouldn't be needed on any platform. Yea, WinMo needed them to cover up it's many flaws.
You don't need native APIs to do those things necessarily. There just needs to be managed APIs to do them. They won't be allowing it though so it's a moot point.
If you want to completely replace the UI, go get an Anroid phone!
There's a middle ground that they need to find. I feel that's what they're shooting for but it doesn't sound like they're gonna hit it. I'm expecting only a subset of .net CF as even that would allow you to do 'too much' in their mind.
alright I admit I have written bull****. of course there are DLLs in .NET but I rather mean they are handled little different than usual DLLs. So I thought common sense is you call them assemblies instead of DLLs. oh! And yes I have written Windows applications in .NET but always refrained from using it on WM due to performance issues and because it's so incomplete and for all the interesting stuff you have to use PInvoke anyway. Also if you at least had checked the link in my signature before judging then you would have seen that I'm actually writing software for WM. besides that, it's even my daily job to write software for Windows/WM for like... ahm... 12 years now.
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There likely won't be a file explorer to extend and all of the other things you list get into modifying the UI so those won't be allowed either. They're ugly hacks that shouldn't be needed on any platform. Yea, WinMo needed them to cover up it's many flaws.
You don't need native APIs to do those things necessarily. There just needs to be managed APIs to do them. They won't be allowing it though so it's a moot point.
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That's the point actually. What I love about WM is that you can easily (or not so easy) hack your way through it and if that's not allowed anymore in a new revision then a lot of fun is taken for me and I guess for "a few more folks" here on XDA. WM like it is with 6.5.x is REALLY comfortable with me and that's no joke! I'm trying to customize and modify it because it's a lot of fun to do so, not because the OS is so bad. Currently I'm running 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 on my Topaz and everything is running really smooth and responsive and I can't complain at all!!
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If you want to completely replace the UI, go get an Anroid phone!
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I hate Android! I don't really want to code in Java. And their native API is a joke isn't it? If WP7 isn't suitable anymore (and right now we don't really know for sure) then I have to keep going with the old **** aka WM 6.5.x until I'm old and grey. why should I change OS if there's nothing that matches the customization possibilites of our present OS?
I could understand the frustration for not having full access to native API, full multitasking, etc.
It will be no joy ... no fun ... especially when you simply cannot customize the UI "the way you want" (You can still customize the WP7 start screen).
You cannot express your full creativity.
That is really valid concern.
But ....................................
Could this "new situation of WP7" trigger another kind of creativity?
To the extreme, who would think creating fart application? I know, probably this is a bad example of creativity, but still ... it is kind of creativity.
My point, in whatever situation, people will simply adapt and certain people will excel with their creativity!
Could that be YOU?
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I hate Android! I don't really want to code in Java. And their native API is a joke isn't it? If WP7 isn't suitable anymore (and right now we don't really know for sure) then I have to keep going with the old **** aka WM 6.5.x until I'm old and grey. why should I change OS if there's nothing that matches the customization possibilites of our present OS?
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If WP7 isn't suitable anymore (and right now we don't really know for sure) then I have to keep going with the old **** aka WM 6.5.x until I'm old and grey. why should I change OS if there's nothing that matches the customization possibilites of our present OS?
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If I understand this Charlie Kindel (who supposedly is the guy in charge of all this API/SDK stuff), it's not their intention to lock the "fun stuff" out indefinitely. What he's saying is more in the lines of "we want a consistent and logical environment/ecosystem for developers and users, and in order to achieve that, we need to change from the "let's push everything we have out the door" mentality towards "let's make it really good", and this requires serious focused step-by-step approach". They want to start with "consumer application" and hobbyist developers (the latter probably means fart app makers and such), which is understandable because they want to build consumer appeal first. Other categories of developers will be addressed after that.
So, while I don't expect much "fun" you're talking about in WP7, I think this will evolve over time. It's unfortunate that we're not getting things to play with right now, but maybe you won't need to wait until you are old and grey haired. And also maybe we'll really get great APIs/SDK, which will be more useful, consistent and complete than the current incompletely and sometimes incredibly poorly documented mess. Just trying to be positive here.
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That's the point actually. What I love about WM is that you can easily (or not so easy) hack your way through it and if that's not allowed anymore in a new revision then a lot of fun is taken for me and I guess for "a few more folks" here on XDA. WM like it is with 6.5.x is REALLY comfortable with me and that's no joke! I'm trying to customize and modify it because it's a lot of fun to do so, not because the OS is so bad. Currently I'm running 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 on my Topaz and everything is running really smooth and responsive and I can't complain at all!!
I hate Android! I don't really want to code in Java. And their native API is a joke isn't it? If WP7 isn't suitable anymore (and right now we don't really know for sure) then I have to keep going with the old **** aka WM 6.5.x until I'm old and grey. why should I change OS if there's nothing that matches the customization possibilites of our present OS?
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I agree with you. Many people hate WM6.5, I like it. I enjoy the customizability as many others on here do. However, I would also enjoy 'retiring' from the need to do that. It's kind of annoying knowing that the first thing I have to do when I get a new phone is go home and HardSPL it and flash a new ROM. I've heard some of the newer devices are much better out the door (HD2 for example) but haven't seen this for myself.
I don't think the members of this forum are part of Microsoft's target audience for end users. Devs, yea, but not end users. They are shooting for people disenchanted with their iPhone, Android, and more importantly the other 75% of the cell phone market that's still using "feature phones" (aka dumb phones).
It definitely looks like MS is going to lock down much more than WM6.5. Will we still be cooking custom roms? My guess is yes. But your common user will have more restrictions on what apps can and can't do.
I look at this as a new challenge more than anything else.
vangrieg said:
If I understand this Charlie Kindel (who supposedly is the guy in charge of all this API/SDK stuff), it's not their intention to lock the "fun stuff" out indefinitely. What he's saying is more in the lines of "we want a consistent and logical environment/ecosystem for developers and users, and in order to achieve that, we need to change from the "let's push everything we have out the door" mentality towards "let's make it really good", and this requires serious focused step-by-step approach". They want to start with "consumer application" and hobbyist developers (the latter probably means fart app makers and such), which is understandable because they want to build consumer appeal first. Other categories of developers will be addressed after that.
So, while I don't expect much "fun" you're talking about in WP7, I think this will evolve over time. It's unfortunate that we're not getting things to play with right now, but maybe you won't need to wait until you are old and grey haired. And also maybe we'll really get great APIs/SDK, which will be more useful, consistent and complete than the current incompletely and sometimes incredibly poorly documented mess. Just trying to be positive here.
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That's a good way to look at it. I just hope that they don't get too restrictive from the start. I think the .net CF would be a good starting point that they should add onto but it almost sounds like they're only picking and choosing pieces from it. If we've got the whole .net CF (maybe minus a few things they don't want us doing) I would be fine with that.
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I agree with you. Many people hate WM6.5, I like it. I enjoy the customizability as many others on here do. However, I would also enjoy 'retiring' from the need to do that. It's kind of annoying knowing that the first thing I have to do when I get a new phone is go home and HardSPL it and flash a new ROM. I've heard some of the newer devices are much better out the door (HD2 for example) but haven't seen this for myself.
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I have used my Topaz with the 6.1 factory ROM for at least 2-3 months. At this time I couldn't complain. I didn't face any issues. I only started to flash new ROMs when 6.5 and later issues were available...
About retiring... I don't think you will. The need to immediately flash a new WP7 device is always given. Just imagine you got a new phone from a Telecom contract and you got all your hubs in pink...
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I think the .net CF would be a good starting point that they should add onto but it almost sounds like they're only picking and choosing pieces from it. If we've got the whole .net CF (maybe minus a few things they don't want us doing) I would be fine with that.
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I'm not much a developer (it's not my profession, I just did a couple of things for fun), but, apart from performance issues which can more or less be improved in the new OS, I've seen two types of limitations with .Net CF on WM 6.x: it's been nearly impossible to make nice UI without awful performance, and there are big gaps in terms of accessing "low-level" and sometimes not so low-level stuff and hence need for PInvoke.
The first issue will probably be addressed by Silverlight and, possibly, better built-in UI controls and such. The second will probably be partly addressed by OS-level push, "live feed" APIs, which sometimes might help overcome the limitations of SNAPI. The obvious question marks are things like non-SNAPI event handling such as hardware key processing, power management, device IO etc. Theoretically, this could be done in an environment such as .Net, why not, but not in its current incarnation of CF 3.5. If they added functionality to .Net, it could make life easier for devs.
Obviously though, some things just aren't realistic in managed code, so no alternative browsers/video players for us apart from shells over MS engines (which means no .mkv support if it's not built into the OS already). It could be possible, though, if they're serious in trying to do things right this time, that they want to create those APIs/SDK together with devs. Say, it would be an awesome, albeit slow, path to sit down with CoreCodec and build a piece of the SDK on a specific case, understanding and overcoming the challenges step by step. Don't know if we can hope to get that kind of attitude though...
It's good to use .NET languages, but it is limited, at least on CompactFramework, so it's impossible to use ONLY .NET: you have to use unmanaged code for creating some things that .NET doesn't allow to.
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I'm not much a developer (it's not my profession, I just did a couple of things for fun), but, apart from performance issues which can more or less be improved in the new OS, I've seen two types of limitations with .Net CF on WM 6.x: it's been nearly impossible to make nice UI without awful performance, and there are big gaps in terms of accessing "low-level" and sometimes not so low-level stuff and hence need for PInvoke.
The first issue will probably be addressed by Silverlight and, possibly, better built-in UI controls and such. The second will probably be partly addressed by OS-level push, "live feed" APIs, which sometimes might help overcome the limitations of SNAPI. The obvious question marks are things like non-SNAPI event handling such as hardware key processing, power management, device IO etc. Theoretically, this could be done in an environment such as .Net, why not, but not in its current incarnation of CF 3.5. If they added functionality to .Net, it could make life easier for devs.
Obviously though, some things just aren't realistic in managed code, so no alternative browsers/video players for us apart from shells over MS engines (which means no .mkv support if it's not built into the OS already). It could be possible, though, if they're serious in trying to do things right this time, that they want to create those APIs/SDK together with devs. Say, it would be an awesome, albeit slow, path to sit down with CoreCodec and build a piece of the SDK on a specific case, understanding and overcoming the challenges step by step. Don't know if we can hope to get that kind of attitude though...
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Yup. I'm expecting a 'revolution' of sorts in the UI standpoint. Like I've stated previously, it sucks trying to make a good, finger-friendly UI. XNA will make game/3d creation a breeze. Silverlight will be awesome for more traditional style UIs. I'm just wondering how high level and low level they'll get. For example, if I wanted to make an app that looked exactly like the main UI of the phone would I be able to just create a panel object, give it the text for the title, text and controls on that panel, and it will take care of the placement, input control, etc? Or what if I want to go the opposite route and create a UI of my own, will I be able to do that? I'm expecting things like button inputs to be provided. It would be crazy for them not to. That's part of the benefit of standardizing the buttons, they can easily bubble those up to devs.
The leaked docs show that native APIs and unmanaged code will be available to an extent but only to OEMs and carriers. I'm sure if people make enough noise they'll back down and approve apps that make use of that for others as well if they show the need. Microsoft's corporate culture traditionally hasn't been as 'religious' as Apple's and is more willing to back down on things if pushed.
I have a friend who just got a Droid unit and it seems like every day he comes up with what's considered some cool, neato app. He found a scanner program that will link up to a bargain price website, today he was showing me an app that will listen to music and find it on the web and give you all kinds of info on it.
I'm really not jealous of his droid, but it just got me wondering where all these things are for our Windows Mobile type phones. It would seem that since it's been out for years compared to the likes of Droid and Even the iPhone there would be more out there readily available. Or maybe I just don't know where to look.
I was wondering this myself...
Both of those apps you named you can find for windows mobile. The scanner app is called Barcoma and the music app is called Midomi . A quick search and you can find what your looking for 90% of the time!
Apps like "Weightbot or Ocarina" this is what I mean, I dont mind paying for apps like this, tough, I cant find it, only for iphone app store ofc... Grrr.
if it's apps you're looking for you're on the wrong platform. wm6.x has some, but the majority are not giong to look fancy and most like aren't available. iPhone is an app phone... i'd say android is inbetween iPhone and winmo... like the middle ground. But hey you can run android on a winmo phone now if you want and run android apps...
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if it's apps you're looking for you're on the wrong platform. wm6.x has some, but the majority are not giong to look fancy and most like aren't available. iPhone is an app phone... i'd say android is inbetween iPhone and winmo... like the middle ground. But hey you can run android on a winmo phone now if you want and run android apps...
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But I wonder why, is WM a bad platform for developers or what?
why?
most users of wm, also the developers, have passed the children age. they make more apps with actual usage, for making wm flaws less visible, and extending it's possibilities.
all these apps/games/programs you are telling about originate from iphone. users of it are pretty much lazy american couch potatos who like entertainment, and they like to pay for it. so motive is money. but in WM there is not a lot of money, didn't see anyone getting rich from WM apps. it's relatively small market of advanced users, but alot of kids who just see phone with big tochscreen were lured in, becouse they thougt it can play awesome games.... it can, but it doesn't pay off to companies to make them.
I understand what are you saying,
I think you being a bit unfair, just cause a software looks good does it mean it not good or don't have "actual usage"??
You should test Weightbot for example, it looks awesome and it's of great usage.
And as far as iphone been for lazy fat young people, are you for real man?
Seriously...
Now, sense you seem to be an expert in WM, I really would like your help if you have the time or the patience, and point me in the right direction?
Not all of us are born with full knowledge of everything...
I'm starting to love WB, but I really need content for it, and sense I'm no "coder or programer"
I need to start from somewhere.
Peace out.
Back just a few short years ago, there were alot of games and apps out there. My favorite still is Age of Empires. I used to play that on my Axim until the battery died, then I'd plug it in and keep going. There were magazines out there and websites that did more than show the latest and greatest hack or port for our WM Devices. It just seems now that unless you're looking to port Droid over or install someone elses WM OS onto your phone, there really isn't alot out there.
Back, when I first started using PDAs, I was able to find anything I wanted/needed for my device. Admittedly, after I'd gotten the programs I wanted and used, I stopped looking. Now that I have a newer device, I've discovered that many, if not most of the programs I used don't work well or at all with the newer OS. Now I'm starting all over again looking for programs to do what I want to with my Smartphone. The only upside to this for me is that now I have 2 Axim x51v's to play with and learn how to port and play with. If it had phone capabilities, I'd still be using it....
Hello
It would be difficult to do such a port? I
ask because the current gba emulators
are weak. I do not mean speed, because it is good,
but the functions that had the same as
vba on pc. What do you think?
What do i think...
Since HTC domination theres noone that can write ANY emulator(besides of fpsece and scummvm, but this is other story).
All about that.
(just voice of old PDA emu-fanatic)
time to move onto maemo, or Pandora...WM is unevitably dead soon.
sing with me, man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFK1yKfiGo
hint: imagine iphone as "the Killer" here, and "blue bus" as wp7 and focking market. black background is made of HD2 users.
But would do something new.
Morphgear is slow and lacks pocketgba
few functions such as save the record.
Sv0, 1, etc., and that were generally
better. Vba are from the pc.
I say again: actually, there's NOONE that would make ANY emulator for WM.
Reasons:
- 100% of emus are quickly warez-ed(=no cash for maker),
- whole rest(of community) is busy with manila/sense skinning...
- it is rare thing to find skilled programmer/fanatic of emulators novadays.
And i am serious here.
btw, did you check pocketgba? Its FAR better for emulation than morphgear, unfortunately, it has problems with current shi..i mean devices.
Vba are from the pc.
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Please, i do know what vba is. it was even ported to gp2x years ago.
but
not
for
ppc's.
Seriously - i would like to see that post as stimulant for some skilled programmer, but i am CERTAIN this WON'T work.
Room's empty already.
I think the WP7-phones have nearly the same specs as the OpenPandora. On the OpenPandora are running many emulators like ScummVM or PCSX (watch this for more information). So it should be possible to develope more emulators the a NES one? What do you think? Is this possible? Have the WP7 phones enough resources to take these?
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I think the WP7-phones have nearly the same specs as the OpenPandora. On the OpenPandora are running many emulators like ScummVM or PCSX (watch this for more information). So it should be possible to develope more emulators the a NES one? What do you think? Is this possible? Have the WP7 phones enough resources to take these?
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Dude, no offence, but what do you mean by nearly same specs lol.
are we talking about wp7 buttonless tablets and Pandora?
You know, i am into PDA emulation for years, but i would NEVER consider wp7, android, blackberry of whatever else as emuplatform.
Another problem is lack of skilled programmers to make such emulators - such thing require knowledge, it's not 190487th facebook clone for halfwits, you know. Proof i am right? - tell me how many of emulators for WM were made in HD2 era, now, compare this to (beloved) Pandora community.
btw, screenshots for ya, from old, nonHTC xscale wm device with DPAD(just part of collection, do you think they could do this on wp7 tablet made for facebook, twitter, and phone bills only? color me amazed, lol.):
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Dude, no offence, but what do you mean by nearly same specs lol.
are we talking about wp7 buttonless tablets and Pandora?
You know, i am into PDA emulation for years, but i would NEVER consider wp7, android, blackberry of whatever else as emuplatform.
Another problem is lack of skilled programmers to make such emulators - such thing require knowledge, it's not 190487th facebook clone for halfwits, you know. Proof i am right? - tell me how many of emulators for WM were made in HD2 era, now, compare this to (beloved) Pandora community.
btw, screenshots for ya, from old, nonHTC xscale wm device with DPAD(just part of collection, do you think they could do this on wp7 tablet made for facebook, twitter, and phone bills only? color me amazed, lol.):
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Yeah, you're right ... I forgot the area for the pads and buttons.
space? for onscreen buttons?
pupakota said:
Dude, no offence, but what do you mean by nearly same specs lol.
are we talking about wp7 buttonless tablets and Pandora?
You know, i am into PDA emulation for years, but i would NEVER consider wp7, android, blackberry of whatever else as emuplatform.
Another problem is lack of skilled programmers to make such emulators - such thing require knowledge, it's not 190487th facebook clone for halfwits, you know. Proof i am right? - tell me how many of emulators for WM were made in HD2 era, now, compare this to (beloved) Pandora community.
btw, screenshots for ya, from old, nonHTC xscale wm device with DPAD(just part of collection, do you think they could do this on wp7 tablet made for facebook, twitter, and phone bills only? color me amazed, lol.):
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"Dude", no offense, but I'm pretty sure I was just using my mytouch 4g as an emulator for various platforms with the help of my bluetooth connected Wiimote.
Phones are becoming more and more powerful, and to act like like there's some sort of lack of power to run something as simple as an old emulator is bullcrap. I sold my hacked playstation portable, with every emulator up to nintendo 64, and find emulating on my phone equally useful, if not better (1ghz cpu vs 222/333OC cpu)
Xscale processors? really? this is a new age, showing us those ancient CPUs means nothing.
now, lets look at the hardware. On screen controls aren't pretty, but are totally functional. A bluetooth gamepad? now you're in business.
Also, WM has plenty of emulators, I had a bunch of them...
the only "problem" I see is getting microsoft to approve of any of these apps officially. THAT'S the reason nobody develops them, not because of a lack of skill among developers.
My personal opinion:
I can agree with you, this "approval" indeed is quite a problem(this is why there's no emus for i.e. Blackberry devices).
But like i said, almost nobody is making emus for portables novadays. Lets say - i do not need "approval" to start programming, right?
So it is not mian problem there.
Bluetooth controller, ok, it is partial solution, but good luck with demanding emu + bt and actual batteries.
On screen controls aren't pretty, but are totally functional.
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Please, i do not agree, onscreen controls maybe are functional, but tell me why they stripped buttons/dpad from actual devices?
Not price is a reason, that's for sure. Imho, onscreen buttons are just last resort desperate solution, that's all.
Xscale processors? really? this is a new age
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Especially new age of salary, sorry;/ I am still happy with performance of my device - raw power is not just bunch of cpu optimizations for twitter handling nor HD mov playing, lol. Have you ever had 624+ mhz xscale device, or you are talking about samsung feebles sold by HTC?
(1ghz cpu vs 222/333OC cpu)
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What, lol?
You are one of these guys, that still are counting ghzes vs real power?(you know, like these who were telling me, that they have 1ghz cpu in phone, so diablo2 should run fine, because it ran on 800 mhz duron).
Anyway i REALLY wish, that someone will make such emus as i have for that old machine for wp7.
Then i would switch. But i just doubt it.
Ok, have fun with your phone.
I'll stay with PDA.
topic unsuscribed, until someone can pm me with price for wp7 device up to 120$(i paid for actual one).
Please keep discussions like these in WP7 General. These kinds of topics usually don't bring forth actual results. So I am moving it to WP7 General since this isn't development just discussion.
~~Tito~~