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Hey guys!, Ive been using my desire for about 3 weeks, now, 3 happy weeks btw.
Ive noticed something really weird, I use Advanced task killer to keep my ram memory as clean as possible during the usage, but I noticed that the more time it is on, and the more apps are runned and then 'killed' by the atk, the available ram memory become less and less, till almost nothing, the first app kill leaves me with about 180-200mb of free ram, then by the next day 55-60, even when there are supposedly no more apps to kill...
Why do u think this behavior is presented, really annoying! jajaja
thanks in advance!
android for life.
Why are you worried?
If you have a lot of free memory, it is effectively being wasted.
I'm not going to start on the argument that task killers are generally a waste of time, because nothing on this forums polarizes opinions more than this!
Regards,
Dave
I agree with Dave. With WinMo, you had to manage your RAM in order to keep your device's performance level up (by manually closing applications and using RAM cleaners).
But I've not found the need for this since jumping ship to Android. Unlike in WinMo, the OS seems to know exactly what to do with RAM...
ohyeahar said:
I agree with Dave. With WinMo, you had to manage your RAM in order to keep your device's performance level up (by manually closing applications and using RAM cleaners).
But I've not found the need for this since jumping ship to Android. Unlike in WinMo, the OS seems to know exactly what to do with RAM...
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I understand, but I have to say..........My desire feels much snappier when I just used the task killer....
Hello,
I have a question:
Every ROM I tried since having my Desire Z (now DHD) I found (no surprise) that Sense ROMs tend to eat more RAM then MIUI/AOSP ones. What I cannot understand is why as soon as I get about 100 MB free the phone becomes terribly slow when the minfree values are a lot lower (48 MB and less) and there is actually a lot of RAM that can still be used. With older phones I used to get into this situation with about 40 MB free, not 100! Does anyone know why this happens?
Thanks in advance
i just got my new HTC ONE X+ from handtec
and i was shocked after i looked into the tast menneger
to see that he drains with nothing run on backround
740-840 ram??!?! wtf
i got only 200-160 ram free to use...
im using no root and no roms.. my ver is 4.1.1
how much ram ur htc usege after u reboot him?
some help??
That's not how memory management works in linux. Free RAM is wasted RAM.
doesnt matter...like the user above me says..FREE RAM IS WASTED RAM...
and stay calm because the OS will free up RAM memory when needed ... like if u play a game some of the apps will be closed by thE OS ..
mine has 200 free ram..something like this..
but as long as everything is SMOOTH just dont worry .
thats the point that idc about the ram...
but the phone feels alot of time with some lag issue's not big but not smooth ... in alot of times... eaven in simple flash games....
and my battry is eaten up very quick .... i did just test few things in about 40 min and the battry got about 25% less .... 75% total left
Lag in "simple" games have nothing to do with the amount of free RAM you have. It's either badly coded, or a governer/kernel issue that can be fixed.
ShadowSide said:
and my battry is eaten up very quick .... i did just test few things in about 40 min and the battry got about 25% less .... 75% total left
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4*40mins is a little short of normal max screen on time, so sounds about right.
So this is pretty crazy and weird but I killed all the apps running in the background and it says I'm using up 2.07gb of Ram how is that possible?
gator9422 said:
So this is pretty crazy and weird but I killed all the apps running in the background and it says I'm using up 2.07gb of Ram how is that possible?
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Why does it matter? There is a ton of memory in this phone, and the OS manages it very, very well. You don't need spare memory. This isn't Windows, you won't run out of memory. It stores what it thinks it needs in RAM and keeps it there for quick access. It uses all the memory all the time (or at least it should). One of the things that prevents lag is to have the stuff loaded and ready at a moments notice.
Its a question of how the OS runs, not how much memory its taking. I would prefer if they hid that stat all together, then people would stop fixating on it, and loading efficiency killing memory manager apps.
Much like running defrag on a modern hard drive (they are supposed to be fragmented, they work better and faster that way) Android is supposed to run 90-95% used memory.. ALL THE TIME. Its the way its designed, and it works better that way.
One of the biggest misconceptions on all of XDA is about used RAM in a phone. People are always saying "OMG, there is only 500mb of unused RAM on my phone, it's going to slow down to a crawl!".
Just to be clear and hopefully people will understand it....unused RAM is wasted RAM. It does NOT have anything to do with slowing your phone down or anything like that. If there is 1gb of free RAM on your Note 4, that's totally fine.
Android manages RAM very well, don't stress. That's actually way more than it needs. You can only have 200mb of RAM free and your phone would still run fine. It's the way it's supposed to work. We have more than enough RAM in this phone.
I just hope this misconception will finally go away. I see at least a few RAM threads in every device forum.
It doesn't matter to me it's just the fact that I don't have any apps open and TouchWiz itself uses up 2gb of Ram to me that's a lot js
gator9422 said:
It doesn't matter to me it's just the fact that I don't have any apps open and TouchWiz itself uses up 2gb of Ram to me that's a lot js
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It truly is a misconception. Android, windows, nix, any OS, for that matter. You would want too see your RAM being utilized. I would prefer to have my RAM used than not used at all because any unused RAM is a wasted RAM. This is also same with CPU. Unutilized cores are wasted cores. When writing software, one of the best practices is to learn how to use the memory to its full potential. You would want necessary stuff in RAM because using them when needed is faster if they are already loaded in memory than reinitializing the modules again and again every time for use. As far as memory location, RAM still provides the fastest. This is why in many companies that used gigabytes of data in their databases, a common practice in databadse engine technology is that they would actually load entire gigabytes of frequently accessed tables in memory for extremely fast access.
In short, don't worry
Thank you for the replies like they say you learn something new everyday. I appreciate the input
I'm more curious to know how the system manages to use more RAM every year with every new device released. Are there really that many more new features every year where they gobble up RAM?
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Thank you for the replies like they say you learn something new everyday. I appreciate the input
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http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/cache-memory
Techweed said:
I'm more curious to know how the system manages to use more RAM every year with every new device released. Are there really that many more new features every year where they gobble up RAM?
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My first computer had 512 mb RAM and it was fine at the time. Of course, with newer releases, they develop more features. With more features, more modules are created to support those features. Hence, more RAM usage.
^Wow, I think my first PC might have had 512 kb of RAM.
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My first computer had 512 mb RAM and it was fine at the time. Of course, with newer releases, they develop more features. With more features, more modules are created to support those features. Hence, more RAM usage.
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That's true but with Kit Kat we were supposed to get a leaner running OS so that it would run on even old devices with minimum RAM. And I don't see how Touchwiz by itself could add 1 GB of RAM usage between the Note 2 and Note 4.
I would disagree on wanting all the ram to be being used... On previous rooted phones I have had (GS2, GS3, GSA4) getting rid of bloatware/useless apps eating up my ram made it much more responsive and fluid when opening new programs while significantly increasing battery life. Seems people just spew the bull**** marketing lines of Google across the internet and expect people to take it as truth. User experience is what is important, and getting rid of the garbage on any android version will make it faster. Not a difficult concept to understand.
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I would disagree on wanting all the ram to be being used... On previous rooted phones I have had (GS2, GS3, GSA4) getting rid of bloatware/useless apps eating up my ram made it much more responsive and fluid when opening new programs while significantly increasing battery life. Seems people just spew the bull**** marketing lines of Google across the internet and expect people to take it as truth. User experience is what is important, and getting rid of the garbage on any android version will make it faster. Not a difficult concept to understand.
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There is no bull**** here. Attend college and find out.
It is proven practice to use RAM
My source:
Myself with 15+ years as a software engineer
^^^This man speaks the truth. In my final year of my degree in software development and RAM utilization is common practice. User experience is different for everyone and what you "feel" is faster may or may not be an improvement.
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I think the goal of debloating should be to reduce the use of cpu by unwanted applications and reducing the amount of RAM taken up by them so that other applications may be cached instead. Whenever I debloat I start with watching applications that load and try to trim of the ones I know I don't need at all. I then move onto greenifying applications that run or cache themselves that I'll rarely use. Never in this process do I try to maximize free memory since doing so means applications that are not cached will take longer to launch. Im not sure if this is the right philosophy but it seems effective to me.
fbauto1 said:
There is no bull**** here. Attend college and find out.
It is proven practice to use RAM
My source:
Myself with 15+ years as a software engineer
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I already have two degrees from a major big 12 university. And do a good amount of IT work for the business I work at. If you think that having your ram eaten up by programs you never use is good practice, maybe you need to re-evaluate the school you got your education. Using your logic our computers should be faster when they are full of **** running in the background... That's asinine. Full AND EFFICIENT utilization of ram is proven practice, not filling up ram full of bloatware.
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I think the goal of debloating should be to reduce the use of cpu by unwanted applications and reducing the amount of RAM taken up by them so that other applications may be cached instead. Whenever I debloat I start with watching applications that load and try to trim of the ones I know I don't need at all. I then move onto greenifying applications that run or cache themselves that I'll rarely use. Never in this process do I try to maximize free memory since doing so means applications that are not cached will take longer to launch. Im not sure if this is the right philosophy but it seems effective to me.
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Well said, I agree. I guess I didn't make the distinction of when freeing up ram being eaten up by crap that will never be opened, What I mean is that cached memory being freed up is then able to be used by apps that I actually use. If over 2gb out of 2.92gb is being used all the time, (with the vast majority being eaten up by bloatware and the rest just being the base OS/UI) then that is not efficient utilization of ram. If you have to kill cached programs constantly and then load the new program you begin using, its going to take longer than having that program already having everything cached. In most times this is only milliseconds difference, but the fluidity of the transition is important to many as it is a significant factor in user experience. Who wants a phone that lags whenever a user input is made?
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Well said, I agree. I guess I didn't make the distinction of when freeing up ram being eaten up by crap that will never be opened, What I mean is that cached memory being freed up is then able to be used by apps that I actually use. If over 2gb out of 2.92gb is being used all the time, (with the vast majority being eaten up by bloatware and the rest just being the base OS/UI) then that is not efficient utilization of ram. If you have to kill cached programs constantly and then load the new program you begin using, its going to take longer than having that program already having everything cached. In most times this is only milliseconds difference, but the fluidity of the transition is important to many as it is a significant factor in user experience. Who wants a phone that lags whenever a user input is made?
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It is interesting that the vast majority of 2GB of your RAM is being using by bloatware. Between the Touchwiz function for turning off unneeded apps and Android's algorithms for determining what should be kept in memory, I find that "bloatware" apps (i.e., app I don't use) are practically non-existent in RAM...at least for me. That said, even if you still have 0.92 GB free, Android is not likely to decide it needs to kill an existing process to accommodate another program.
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I already have two degrees from a major big 12 university. And do a good amount of IT work for the business I work at. If you think that having your ram eaten up by programs you never use is good practice, maybe you need to re-evaluate the school you got your education. Using your logic our computers should be faster when they are full of **** running in the background... That's asinine. Full AND EFFICIENT utilization of ram is proven practice, not filling up ram full of bloatware.
Well said, I agree. I guess I didn't make the distinction of when freeing up ram being eaten up by crap that will never be opened, What I mean is that cached memory being freed up is then able to be used by apps that I actually use. If over 2gb out of 2.92gb is being used all the time, (with the vast majority being eaten up by bloatware and the rest just being the base OS/UI) then that is not efficient utilization of ram. If you have to kill cached programs constantly and then load the new program you begin using, its going to take longer than having that program already having everything cached. In most times this is only milliseconds difference, but the fluidity of the transition is important to many as it is a significant factor in user experience. Who wants a phone that lags whenever a user input is made?
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You are comparing RAM utilization to bloatware?
Where did you get your degrees, eBay?
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You are comparing RAM utilization to bloatware?
Where did you get your degrees, eBay?
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No... he's not. Read it again. His point is that programs he doesn't need utilizing ram is bad.
We're playing a game of semantics here. He is working the angle that the original posts saying 'using ram is good' isn't true if it is crap that is using it.
Silly discussion at this point as both sides are correct based on the parameters of their view point.
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I recently installed 4-5 heavy games in my Z PLAY.(like Assasin Creed identity, godfire, Modern combat 5, Gangstar new Orleans, Republique,1979 revolution.)
And when i saw the RAM usage it remains now 2.1-2.2 gb and each game takes almost 100 MB ram.
Performance however has no effect.
So, does it means that if i install 10 or more heavy games, RAM USAGE will go beyond 2.4-2.5 (Out of 2.8gb)??
And the phone will start lagging?
Help will be appreciated..
Yash24 said:
I recently installed 4-5 heavy games in my Z PLAY.(like Assasin Creed identity, godfire, Modern combat 5, Gangstar new Orleans, Republique,1979 revolution.)
And when i saw the RAM usage it remains now 2.1-2.2 gb and each game takes almost 100 MB ram.
Performance however has no effect.
So, does it means that if i install 10 or more heavy games, RAM USAGE will go beyond 2.4-2.5 (Out of 2.8gb)??
And the phone will start lagging?
Help will be appreciated..
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Empty ram is wasted ram. Android does a good job of handling ram, so unless you notice lag happening, ignore the number. If you have so much free time as you need to play 10+ games all at the same time switching between them, I'd consider getting a job or something else to really be productive with your spare time.
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Empty ram is wasted ram. Android does a good job of handling ram, so unless you notice lag happening, ignore the number. If you have so much free time as you need to play 10+ games all at the same time switching between them, I'd consider getting a job or something else to really be productive with your spare time.
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It's not necessary that playing all the time only will increase RAM usage.
Games once opened, starts taking some RAM.
AND YES, I'M A STUDENT.
Why JOB?
Yash24 said:
It's not necessary that playing all the time only will increase RAM usage.
Games once opened, starts taking some RAM.
AND YES, I'M A STUDENT.
Why JOB?
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Yash24 said:
It's not necessary that playing all the time only will increase RAM usage.
Games once opened, starts taking some RAM.
AND YES, I'M A STUDENT.
Why JOB?
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Right, that means you need to have all 10+ open and running. You can have 10 installed, and play just 5 at once. Even 5 at once seems excessive.
You can be a student and still get a job. Make some money to pay for school or buy something you need, or help out your parents/family. If you need that many games maybe it's time to think about doing something else that is more worthwhile. Just a suggestion, I'm not being facetious.
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Right, that means you need to have all 10+ open and running. You can have 10 installed, and play just 5 at once. Even 5 at once seems excessive.
You can be a student and still get a job. Make some money to pay for school or buy something you need, or help out your parents/family. If you need that many games maybe it's time to think about doing something else that is more worthwhile. Just a suggestion, I'm not being facetious.
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We don't need money, or ways to make money we have excess.
And we're free to invest and waste money.
Are you in some job?
Yash24 said:
We don't need money, or ways to make money we have excess.
And we're free to invest and waste money.
Are you in some job?
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That's good, there's always volunteer positions. Like feeding the homeless, or even learning a new life skill that will help you get ahead in the future. Learning a skilled trade on the side is always a worthy venture.
Anyway, it's up to you. Don't worry about the ram usage. Yes, I am in some job.