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I have noticed very poor community spirit amond many man cooks on XDA. For me, a community is about helping each other, and improving each others accomplishments. Many times, when even just trying to extract some manila files from a rom, or even decompilng a carrier rom, it just doesnt work. I presume this is because some cooks around here believe they are gods gift to this board (not community) because they lock roms. I can understand if you lock a program youi custom build, some low level mods, etc, but come on, a carrier rom.
I wanna thanks those who dont partake in this childish acts. If parts are used, then yeah of course the original cook deserves credit, and shall always be given credit. But people always ask why I dont post my roms here, this is why.
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ghettofreeryder said:
I have noticed very poor community spirit amond many man cooks on XDA. For me, a community is about helping each other, and improving each others accomplishments. Many times, when even just trying to extract some manila files from a rom, or even decompilng a carrier rom, it just doesnt work. I presume this is because some cooks around here believe they are gods gift to this board (not community) because they lock roms. I can understand if you lock a program youi custom build, some low level mods, etc, but come on, a carrier rom.
I wanna thanks those who dont partake in this childish acts. If parts are used, then yeah of course the original cook deserves credit, and shall always be given credit. But people always ask why I dont post my roms here, this is why.
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Totally agree, and well said Ghetto!
You'll always find my ROMs unlocked.
Juicy47 said:
Totally agree, and well said Ghetto!
You'll always find my ROMs unlocked.
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I agree as well.
I can see it from the cooks point of view in some cases... but common, you know how hard getting a sys and os can be if every rom you find that you may be able to get it from is locked. Getting the HTC rom updates are hard to find third party, and require a gsm handset serial number to download from htc.... which some of us dont have. so, i know my self have had difficulties finding stuff that i used to once be able to find very easily. Im usually pretty quiet here im not here to steal any ones glory some times all we want is a package or a newer camera app ect...
It is all about EGOs. I do not cook but am a software designer for a few decades.
If I went into ROM cooking and somebody took my ROM, added a few things- generally improved it and posted it under his/her name- fair play to them. It would be ideal if they added credits.
I can learn from the successfully modded ROMs some new tricks. If they locked the pimped up code, I would go furious since this is not on the equal terms.
Both things i.e. the credits and locking of ROMs can be dealt with by the moderators of this server but there is either a very little will to do so or the perceived benefits of this approach are too low to outweigh the risks (i.e. developers abandoning this forum)
Strangely most people here would be vivid advocates of the Open Source model yet the first thing which gets promoted is a closed source approach.
I personally believe that it would be a bit of pain to get the unlocked ROM requirement going plus would need more work on the policing side but in the long run it would benefit us all.
You guys make problems out of nothing.
THERE ARE a lot of open roms.
So ok. BUt now there is a cook that wants to present his locked rom.
Why not let him if he wants? Let them choose themselves. JUst don't download it, if its not good for you then leave it instead of continously making points in these topics.
What you will find is that the ROM is undumpable because the rgu and dsm files have been erased and compressed into a single package, thus removing around 200 files from the \Windows directory on your device, less files in \Windows means a faster responce from the file system.
Notice how accessing \Windows takes a longer time than other folders?
Most of the time this is the reason behind removing those files...not to protect a ROM, however we all know there are a minority of users who will palm stuff off as thier own creation which is detremental to the people who do the real work...sure if somebody wants help then they will get it from the majority.....its not about EGO at all.
Do you think olipro charges for his unlocker because of EGO? NO! Its because hes protecting his interests and also deserves recognition for his countless hours of hard work.
They spend their own valuable time making the ROMs so they can do as they please, it's your choice whether or not you install it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know only two chefs here in the Diamond section protect their ROMs. The chefs who leave their ROMs open are in clear majority.
So, the community spirit seems pretty good to me.
His ROMs are locked, mine are open. Great spirit.
I don't cook roms, but as a linux user I care about Open Source and alike. So I'll post my meaningless 2 cents
Seems like senior members are for locked roms and charging for services, while members and junior members stand on the other side?
For the normal rom user, it doesn't really matter if the rom is locked or not, as long as roms are released. In my opinion though, releasing the roms under a GPL(-ish?) licence would make sure the original cook get the credits. Giving other cooks the possibility to look under the hood on your room, can in fact make it a better rom.
Do you think olipro charges for his unlocker because of EGO? NO! Its because hes protecting his interests and also deserves recognition for his countless hours of hard work
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Now this, I strongly disagree on. IMO he would get much more respect if he shared his knowledge freely. There are countless examples of that in the world of GNU/Linux.
I think most ppl using XDA forums expect it to work like a open source community, and when they find out the cooks are protecting their roms and charging for services, they get a dissapointed, and need to whine a little.
Bottom line is, the cooks are free to do whatever they want with their roms. You get to use them freely on your device. You are free to support the cooks you want, so if you don't like locked roms etc...then use a rom from a cook that doesn't lock it.
His ROMs are locked, mine are open. Great spirit.
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panosha just sh.. up and dont make me talk here. your only a repacker and stealer. swtos will confirm this. im also a cooker who had the idea leaving cooked roms unlocked. but after seeing people like panosha repack things call it shine on and release it as a own work i lost that philosophie very fast.
his greek roms are partly all stolen by swtos.
my 2 cent
greetings go out to the real cookers like dutty swift swtos and others...
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panosha just sh.. up and dont make me talk here. your only a repacker and stealer. swtos will confirm this. im also a cooker who had the idea leaving cooked roms unlocked. but after seeing people like panosha repack things call it shine on and release it as a own work i lost that philosophie very fast.
his greek roms are partly all stolen by swtos.
my 2 cent
greetings go out to the real cookers like dutty swift swtos and others...
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Well, if you GPL'd it, and he broke the GPL, you could most likely ask the mods to remove his posts/account/rom from this and other forums.
Alpha, let it be then, why would you care anyway? However, to keep the honour to yourself, don't show PM's
About this Open Source Philosophy:
Open Source is fun and a way to get some work done for specific problems.
I am totally no fighter for Open Source when it comes to developping good applications. Good work needs to get PAYED. One needs to take their TIME to work on it to make it good. Time needs INCOME, one must eat too you know.
I am 100% confident that FREE software will never have the quality of commercial variants, just for that reason.
With Linux the OS is free, but the better distributions are commercial also, and in one or other way 'locked'. Just as with good roms here Only here, we do not have to pay for them. Yet.
Go Open Source, but don't go FREE. Trigger people to get best out of them. Reward them. And let them keep identity.
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Alpha, let it be then, why would you care anyway? However, to keep the honour to yourself, don't show PM's
About this Open Source Philosophy:
Open Source is fun and a way to get some work done for specific problems.
I am totally no fighter for Open Source when it comes to developping good applications. Good work needs to get PAYED. One needs to take their TIME to work on it to make it good. Time needs INCOME, one must eat too you know.
I am 100% confident that FREE software will never have the quality of commercial variants, just for that reason.
With Linux the OS is free, but the better distributions are commercial also, and in one or other way 'locked'. Just as with good roms here Only here, we do not have to pay for them. Yet.
Go Open Source, but don't go FREE. Trigger people to get best out of them. Reward them. And let them keep identity.
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Ok, lol! you have no idea have you. The BEST distros out there are free! Gentoo! Slack! Debian! C'mon dude
Anyways, yeah, Open Source != free per definition
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Alpha, let it be then, why would you care anyway? However, to keep the honour to yourself, don't show PM's
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i would and will never show a private message i recieve here on public.
even if i could choose of hundreds =)
by the way panosha if you feel better i can tell you nearly every chef had that pm of me for wildberry.
Why do the moderators let Aplhazero persist with his insulting posts again and again totally unchecked?? Now he's making an as-yet unfounded allegation against another chef who from what I have seen is very helpful around here. Yet still nothing is done!
I find this bizzare considering Mods are so quick to react and stamp down on so called 'pointless' threads which are far less damaging imho.
Alpha needs to check his ego and stop treating people like they are beneath him.
i have a question, for the people who blame others for stealing and re-releasing under there own work..... how can you tell? i mean, if everything is as openly available as most of the guys seem to think it is. then couldn't they have just got all there stuff from the same source? or is it its not openly available, and the only place they could find it is your rom so you know they have stolen it? Stealing with the intent to take credit for some one elses hard work is not a good thing. but i do believe in sharing.
but if no one shares, that leaves little other options? as time goes by, it looks like things are slowly getting a little bit more closed, pretty soon nothing will be shared. and thats when i worry the community will take a crushing blow.
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Well, if you GPL'd it, and he broke the GPL, you could most likely ask the mods to remove his posts/account/rom from this and other forums.
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you cant GPL something that was basted on stolen software i think.
the base os, sys, anything taken from an HTC rom is stolen. Microsoft doesn't just hand out new sys and os files. and HTC doesn't call us all up when a new oem package is out on a device.
thats just the point i dont get. it the guys who consider them selves real cooks stole it from some where els. why ware they worries about some one stealing a package from them. i can understand if some one took there rom and just changed the version on it and re released it but, that not the idea of most of us ere. and if you can prove some one is a thief expose him to his followers if you can prove it. proof is key to me before pointing the finger.
Cheerz
Nice to read this *****fight. Some are gentleman and some are not. @the end we are all thieves.
I had been used to then making roms for my Windows Mobile phone to download the language packs for the rom. But found that a socalled MS Internet Investigator had threatend the poster of these packages to remove them.
I wonder do you thinks that Microsoft will kill this site one day?
Well, certainly, the site will live as there is a lot of free (copyrighted ) software here, developed by XDA members. It is not only about WM6.5.
As for it, you still have China . ROMBeta for example. Or probably the takedown was a hoax.
IMHO MS just used us . They read the thread to get to know about bugs of their recent builds. All we were their free testers. And now, as WM6.5 is officially out, it is a copyrighted product, and we don't have permission to do smth unless we buy it.
I do not like when I am used in such a rude manner, so I will continue using my Diamond, and when it breaks, make sure to buy an Android phone from HTC .
Of course all these words are rubbish, if it was a hoax and we will continue experiencing WM6.5 .
Sensitive material: the xda-developers point of view.
Quote taken from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1104604&postcount=1
"However with increased popularity comes an increased amount of legal complaints when sensitive material is found on our servers. Which is the reason why we have been more careful lately. Recently some sensitive material has shown up on the servers and we received legal complaints from companies who have the copyrights for this material, although we all feel this is very interesting and valuable material we cannot risk the future of xda-developers by ignoring the legal requests we receive, therefore this material has been taken offline."
yeah, they care more about keeping their cashcrop site up than the actual users. there aint no reason they couldnt rapidshare them files and post the new links in the thread, see the entire blueangel/wallaby sections. its all ftp links that are dead.
i'm sure i'll catch heat for my pro-user point of view here, but the fact remains they make more than enough money on this site to buy a decent server that doesnt take 30seconds to load, and maybe not removing the only link to a file leaving people completely SOL.
ms won't do anything to xda. xda sells more WM phones than ms could ever do alone, i know this because its 90% of the reason why i own as many HTCs as i do.
i love xda, but the management irks me. and the disorganization of it.
Not this garbage again!!
Are we sure that this "internet investigator" is real now? The last time it was some punk saying that they represented M$ and because of him, a bunch of roms ended up being taken down (even if they were not hosted in the xda servers.
I am so tired of this crap it isn't even funny...
@OneSman,
M$ isn't really using you since they are not offering you anything for free. You just happen to see it and use it. If you happen to report bugs, it is for the Chefs and not for M$ (however, they get to read your comments/reports as well). Don't expect any developer to give you any freebies simply because you are beta testing something. I still have to see the dev who does that.
@cerjam,
The management of XDA irks you? Why? If you are sent a letter from a company that has enough lawyers to sue you till the middle of next week, you will take corrective action. End of story... I think XDA's management is superb considering the amount of flow of information and users in this site.
Please lets not make another epic thread(s) for this "investigator" until we know it is a real M$ as$h0l3.
i own a few shady sites. i don't bend over for dmca or supposed emails from maybe some idiot from some company.
there is no reason they have to piss on the userbase like they do.
sure, i can see a problem hosting the **** in the xda-dev ftp. but it is irresponsible to the community to not have backups and to not make the files obtainable elsewhere.
point is they put ms and other pricks over their users. the people who make them money, who keep their site alive. there is no legal reason for them to bend over and just go OK /DELETE. specially without warning.
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i own a few shady sites. i don't bend over for dmca or supposed emails from maybe some idiot from some company.
there is no reason they have to piss on the userbase like they do.
sure, i can see a problem hosting the **** in the xda-dev ftp. but it is irresponsible to the community to not have backups and to not make the files obtainable elsewhere.
point is they put ms and other pricks over their users. the people who make them money, who keep their site alive. there is no legal reason for them to bend over and just go OK /DELETE. specially without warning.
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Don't get me wrong, I hate them as much as I can (and then some), but the site admins have to play it safe... because they have such a large user base, they have to ensure that the site will keep on going and that it won't be taken down. I do agree about the back ups though...
playing it safe is fine. im just pissed off to no goddamn end, i buy any phone older than 2years? WELP SORRY MAN OUT OF LUCK BECAUSE MS EMAILED US =D
which is very very irksome, you have a blueangel you should understand lmfao
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yeah, they care more about keeping their cashcrop site up than the actual users. there aint no reason they couldnt rapidshare them files and post the new links in the thread, see the entire blueangel/wallaby sections. its all ftp links that are dead.
i'm sure i'll catch heat for my pro-user point of view here, but the fact remains they make more than enough money on this site to buy a decent server that doesnt take 30seconds to load, and maybe not removing the only link to a file leaving people completely SOL.
ms won't do anything to xda. xda sells more WM phones than ms could ever do alone, i know this because its 90% of the reason why i own as many HTCs as i do.
i love xda, but the management irks me. and the disorganization of it.
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Yeah, I suppose they could use RapidShare or something, but if they upload all their files all at once to RapidShare, that could lead a suspicious trail, and what are they gonna say? "MS E-mailed us, so we put all of our illegal files on RapidShare." Lighten up a bit. It's FAR better to have a website with all the tools to learn how to mod your own device and to try and find the files yourself (which I'm sure are out there), than to have the files for at most a few months or a year or so and then have this site, probably the best WM site in existence, completely go under. Besides, if people have to work to find the files, it'll make the end product feel that much nicer.
I don't know American Law (XDA is an American Site?)
But lets say it was in Denmark. But anyway. Here Microsoft would have to go to court and get a courtorder to make a website remove links that MS or any other feelt threatened their business.
Is the law different in the US?
/Fred
p.s. How does one become a payed Internet Investigator? I would love to have such a job insteed my current one
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I don't know American Law (XDA is an American Site?)
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Thanks no!
I think XDA is Neederlands
Microsoft kills Windows Mobile ?
It is possible that Windows Mobile 6.5 is the last and final Windows Mobile release from Microsoft.
In what you base for saying that?
WM7.................
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It is possible that Windows Mobile 6.5 is the last and final Windows Mobile release from Microsoft.
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Well, Many rumors are milling around for a WM7 and then WM7.1, I don't know the authenticity of this rumors, but couple of years back I heard a rumor that WM 6.5 is coming out.... so let's hope we get more upgrades, unless MS decided not to cash on WM mobiles. Will they?!
Shiv
sleurhut said:
It is possible that Windows Mobile 6.5 is the last and final Windows Mobile release from Microsoft.
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Im pretty sure Steve Ballmer talked about windows mobile 7 in an interview so its kinda official just no time for release or anything yet
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Im pretty sure Steve Ballmer talked about windows mobile 7 in an interview so its kinda official just no time for release or anything yet
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There he is.
..i closed the tab without posting. damnit.
a) wm7s been confirmed. it's going to be ms's version of the iphones OS, the last decent WM was 5 before ms went all change-happy.
and b) ms couldnt prove anything. xda couldve setup a good data-hosting service that couldnt be traced. i imagine they make enough money off this site that they could do alot of things to make this site better.
and on that note, does anyone have any idea as to why whoever owns xda is too damn cheap to buy a decent server for xda. it's constantly slow and dead, i know damnwell they make massive money off donations and adcash. a decent server is maybe 1k a month, you're telling me theseguys are so broke they cant even put alittle of the community cash back into it?
sleurhut said:
It is possible that Windows Mobile 6.5 is the last and final Windows Mobile release from Microsoft.
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Microsoft confirms multi-touch, designates WM7 to high-end, while keeping WM 6.5 for mass market
http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/08/...igh-end-while-keeping-wm-6-5-for-mass-market/
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i imagine they make enough money off this site that they could do alot of things to make this site better.
and on that note, does anyone have any idea as to why whoever owns xda is too damn cheap to buy a decent server for xda. it's constantly slow and dead, i know damnwell they make massive money off donations and adcash. a decent server is maybe 1k a month, you're telling me theseguys are so broke they cant even put alittle of the community cash back into it?
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How much money do you think the owners make off of a site that runs on donations?
Most of the money is going to the developers on the site and not the owners I'm sure.
they have ads. with thousands of people per day. they make massive cash, i don't care what anyone says. at least enough to pay for a decent server.
hey, i recently joined this page on facebook (i've withheld the name of the page as to not seem like i'm here to promote it or such, not that it requires promotion with its 2 million members) and a many of us including the owner of the page there are a free-thinking bunch. The problem is that whenever some user finds something we say offensive, we get reported and are blocked from posting for 10-12 hours, sometimes entire days...
The gracious admin there took it upon himself to finance an entirely new site as a refuge for us. But most of lack the technical know-how of getting a site up and running. We have a few volunteers ready to devote their time and skills to help in the site's construction.
The owner suggested a forum-esque feel to the site rather than something like facebook itself and when anyone mentions forum the only thing my mind thinks is XDA!! This site is the epitome of what a forum should be about!!
So i was hoping if anyone could give me some sort of information as to what the site is based on (HTML, PHP, etc)? what type security measures should we be looking at? we read something about a using social networking engines to enable features like instant messaging...
i was hoping if someone could point me (and by relation, us) in the right direction.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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hey, i recently joined this page on facebook (i've withheld the name of the page as to not seem like i'm here to promote it or such, not that it requires promotion with its 2 million members) and a many of us including the owner of the page there are a free-thinking bunch. The problem is that whenever some user finds something we say offensive, we get reported and are blocked from posting for 10-12 hours, sometimes entire days...
The gracious admin there took it upon himself to finance an entirely new site as a refuge for us. But most of lack the technical know-how of getting a site up and running. We have a few volunteers ready to devote their time and skills to help in the site's construction.
The owner suggested a forum-esque feel to the site rather than something like facebook itself and when anyone mentions forum the only thing my mind thinks is XDA!! This site is the epitome of what a forum should be about!!
So i was hoping if anyone could give me some sort of information as to what the site is based on (HTML, PHP, etc)? what type security measures should we be looking at? we read something about a using social networking engines to enable features like instant messaging...
i was hoping if someone could point me (and by relation, us) in the right direction.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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This site is running on vBulletin 3.8.6 which is commercial software. There are free bulletin boards out there. As for security, this is a massive topic that I don't think anyone can summarise. Obvious things like good password policies (long and random, never re-used, etc) and keeping all software patched up to date are key. Other than that it all depends on the implementation. Also, there are penetration testing tools that you can find off the internet to test your site.
Dave
thanks a million Dave. i'll look into it and pass the message on to our group.
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thanks a million Dave. i'll look into it and pass the message on to our group.
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What Dave said, but beware that your site is only as secure as the system it runs on.
Your system can be the most secure in the world, with lovely nice PHP code, the latest patched vBulletin install, and I might still get into it...
If you are using shared web hosting, and some peon is using an out of date wordpress install, they can likely wreak a fair bit of havock on a poorly setup server.
Unfortunately most shared hosting is poorly setup. If you have 2 million members, you WILL need dedicated server space. I would also suggest you need to seriously consider the undertaking here - 2 million people is A LOT, and I don't know how many simultaneous users you are talking about, but it sounds a big target...
You will need a fairly powerful server from the sounds of it. I would suggest looking at the available forum systems, installing them (free ones), or trying out the demos.
I assist in the running of a number of sites, from single figure numbers of visitors per day, through to hundreds of thousands/millions per day... The requirements for these differ HUGELY. While something free like SMF might be good for a site with 200 folk, it's not likely a good idea on a site with 100,000 visitors per day posting...
Consider backup strategies too, for WHEN the worst happens - not if... Where will you store backups? How will you secure them?
Finally, remember to look to the future. phpBB is pretty poor, I suggest avoiding it. But what will you move to next? Make sure you pick a system that ain't gonna die tomorrow... If it does, you are stuck without security updates, and you might find it hard to migrate to another one... Be sure to go with a system that has good support to migrate further if/when the time comes...
woah!! ok, this was a big help...although we have close to 2 million people signed on, only about 30 - 40% of those are regularly active and perhaps 100 or so who're almost always there...
i saw BBCode implementation at linux mint forums and found it a total fail compared to XDA...i had completely forgotten about the back-up portion...
knew i could count on XDA for a lil' help...God i love this site!!
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woah!! ok, this was a big help...although we have close to 2 million people signed on, only about 30 - 40% of those are regularly active and perhaps 100 or so who're almost always there...
i saw BBCode implementation at linux mint forums and found it a total fail compared to XDA...i had completely forgotten about the back-up portion...
knew i could count on XDA for a lil' help...God i love this site!!
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Haha no worries.
From those figures I would size the site based on coping with 5000 simultaneous users minimum. I doubt you will get as much tbh, as many people hit the homepage and look at the latest, then go to the next site they visit.
If you can afford, aim to cope with 10k+ simultaneous, to cover you for if you get a bout of publicity...
I'd reckon on a well-run server you would be OK with 8 to 16 GB of RAM, and a few hundred gigabytes of hdd. Bandwidth is hard to gauge without info on the site and content...
But I think it could be run for under $400 per month, and that is a very high estimate to cover things like multiple backup locations.
You will instantly ruin your site reputation if you need to use backups and they don't work...
If nobody is experienced in server management, hire someone to do it. These things are often best left to the experts where you are unsure... It will likely pay for itself in their expertise at least 3 times a month (or at least that's how often some of my clients proclaim I saved their "lives" )
Hi
I made a video of XDA Portal when it was in the black out. This video shows constant refreshes, updating the number count on the petition.
The rate went from about 22.7 to 30 signatures per second.
Here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmNjhAX1C64&context=C364178cADOEgsToPDskKvHDuKcmE4emuZg8UD6I7g
Here's the link to the petition -
http://sopastrike.com/modal/strike-modal/index.html
Here's the link for people outside the USA who want to put their name down
http://americancensorship.org/modal/state-dept-petition/index.html
SOPA/PIPA voting delayed, Senate reconsiders.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...ipa-sopa-put-on-hold-in-the-wake-of-protests/
Extra's.
Screenshots showing Portal at 0 online, and 1 online
Well done to XDA for the great Blackout support.
Very impressive numbers of XDA supporters - thanks to everyone who signed the petition.
I saw it everytime i hit the refresh button
@xda congratulations good job
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I saw it everytime i hit the refresh button
@xda congratulations good job
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Me too, I watched it from the beginning.
Kudos to the moderators for taking a stand against SOPA and PIPA.
Very nice!!
A little less than 5 hours to get 50,000 "signatures", great work.
Lets hope this makes a difference.
Here's the letter I sent to my senators and representatives, written from the POV of my son. Anyone can feel free to adapt it to their own needs and send it to their representatives. I just wanted to do more than attach my name to a pre-made message which which could easily be dismiss after receiving countless identical messages...
Invalid attachment specified. Am not able to view the letter.
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Invalid attachment specified. Am not able to view the letter.
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Sorry, try again, XDA didn't like my first PDF, exported it as an earlier Acrobat format...
Quite a nice template. I imagine if Senators start receiving letters like that, they definitely will think again about their vote.
Them receiving the picture of the same boy multiple times might make it sound a bit fishy
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Them receiving the picture of the same boy multiple times might make it sound a bit fishy
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Ha! I would hope anyone using it would replace the photo with one of their son, daughter or a relative.
Called my Rep and my Senators
I may not have signed the petition, but I called my House Representative and both of my Senators to let them how I feel about SOPA & PIPA.
I called rather than sent an email because talking to them lets them know we DON'T want these pieces of garbage passed. It's harder to ignore a phone call than an email.
This was the best idea to promote awareness
AWESOME JOB XDA!!!
I wish more web sites would have handled it the same way!!
I am proud to be a member of this Forum.
Thank You!!
Out of an initial 39 who were supporting the act, four have seen the light so far and have gone against it.
Seeing the blackout of 10,000+ websites the rest will surely oppose SOPA as well.
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Out of an initial 39 who were supporting the act, four have seen the light so far and have gone against it.
Seeing the blackout of 10,000+ websites the rest will surely oppose SOPA as well.
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I absolutely hope you're right.
don't get me wrong, i'm not a pro "stupid law against internet"
but was this really necessary ?
a lot of visitor are from outside the USA
so even if we sign (i did it) the petition, the lawmans from the US will only think : what does this stupid french guy bother us..
also, even if politics get petitions from the internet... as long as people don't move on the real life, it will only be hopeless...
in france we had also some stupid laws, a lot of people said : we'll go to Paris and say our disagreement with us
finaly, there were only a few people in Paris, so they vote the ugly law ....
briging down XDA to say : we are against it and we'll only come back after 50k people signed the petition, is imo not very usefull
and by doing so you also force people to sign (were is the free will ?)
imagine the poor guy wo did a wrong manipulation on his device and he comes on xda to find help... he will comite suicide
a notice would have been beter, because the usefull informations are accessible
and you know politics are dumbasses... if they saw some actions like XDA they will say : 10 people does some action on internet to force other to sign it.. so the petition will be even more worthless into their eyes
i'm never against signing petitions, even against US laws, but here i found this a little too much
and don't forget, a lot of people from other countries come here, they have not the same mind as you...
some will say : yeah they are right i will sign it and refer this petition
other will say : what the **** ? i'm not interested in this **** put it back
and other will say : yeah but was it really needed to go that far?
The thing is that the future of XDA and numerous other websites which operate from the USA are at stake.
Logging on to XDA and finding the petition page (which you had been notified about prior to the black out) is better than logging on and finding that the website has been taken down because of a stupid copyright.
XDA folk can not just let it happen. Everyone needs to do their part. This way was the most effective, and I don't think that 4.5 hours of downtime effected development significantly, but it did show us the way (notice I am not using 'force') to fighting the SOPA petition.
It was your choice. If you wanted to see XDA back, you signed the petition. If you wanted the internet to stay the same you signed the petition.
A French person signing shows that SOPA is disliked worldwide, and the effects it will have (if implemented) on the world, and not just the USA.
+1 to that! Everyone should do there part, the domino effect of those two laws would be devastating! Well done all who signed!
sent from my android powered, cyanogenmod filled wrecking machine! using xda app.
That was awesome. It's amazing how quickly this site got that many people involved. Thanks to all the admins, mods, devs, and users who spread the word.
I wish i could be a part of the blackout signature....
I really wished to be a part of the signatures...but I am not a us citizen I am a Bangladeshi.....but i was eagerly checking the status every other time i could...really i am proud of you all for make this happened...cheers to xda developers and all the supporters..proud to be with XDA family..
To all American* viewers of this page, I would highly recommend CALLING your Congress critters and letting them know WHY you don't want this crap.
* == There was no slight meant for those of you not from USA.
I was thinking long long time before I finally came to a conclusion to write this, rather frustrated, post. Believe me, it is not easy to put it together with clear mind and intention to not to offend or be prejudicial.
A major part of XDA is spinning around custom ROMs ... a f*cking MAJOR part..... giving custom ROM developers feeling that it is actually a legitimate place to offer, or more precisely market, their so called "inventions"...
While I am a member of XDA only a short time, I can imagine what spirit was once behind this server. Spirit of sharing knowledge, progress. There are still lot of members, who live up to this spirit, but there is also a lot, who are just "selling" their product for "THANKS" buttons, and of course DONATIONS.
There is nothing wrong with thanks or donations, should they support an effort that leads into more community education and involvement. My concern is heading more in direction of so called ROM gluers.... Guys, who don't actually develop anything at all, just collect work of other people, glue it together and then release it under some bombastic name like: "Project Saturndancers: Timelapse IV".... and the all greedy flash junkies are flashing, in frenzy of having something more on their mobile than they already paid for.
And then comes the bitter morning, the wake-up where some features are not working the way they should, some not at all. And the reply of the "all-mighty" developer ? Read the OP -- I guarantee nothing, you flash on your own risk....
Agree, we all flash on our own risk. But if it is so, then it would be at least fair, if so called "ROM Developers" end up the marketing of their own semi-products, promising "Awesome sound" "Unparalleled performance" "Superior battery life" and other rather qualitative measures.
If such praxis continues, XDA is just changing from a developer server in some sort of whore-house.
ondrejvaroscak said:
While I am a member of XDA only a short time, I can imagine what spirit was once behind this server. Spirit of sharing knowledge, progress.
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You are absolutely correct. Way back years ago, while Windows Mobile 5 was around on PDAs, XDA started up for this exact purpose. We had many amazing people with intricate knowledge of how the operating system and devices were all put together. They shared their work and knowledge with others and it was a place all about learning.
But many years have passed, times have changed. Every man and his dog has a smartphone nowadays. It's become easy for people to zip up other mods together and release their "own". But as you say, when it comes to providing support or working out issues, they sometimes don't have the knowledge to do this. But in saying this, there are MANY skilled developers who come up with amazing work, and put in countless hours in providing and supporting their work. All for people to modernise or improve their smartphones, and not be charged anything for the service.
But even back in the early days, we had "ROM Kitchens" where anyone could cook up a Windows Mobile ROM with features they wanted, and they then posted their ROMs on XDA. Each was customised to how they wanted.
Nowadays, it's just down to the sheer number of Android users, that we're seeing this explosion of ROMs.
All I can suggest is you only use the ones you are interested in, and simply not use or look at the others. At the end of the day, they are doing no harm. if they are (for example bricking devices), then we will intervene.
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You are absolutely correct. Way back years ago, while Windows Mobile 5 was around on PDAs, XDA started up for this exact purpose. We had many amazing people with intricate knowledge of how the operating system and devices were all put together. They shared their work and knowledge with others and it was a place all about learning.
But many years have passed, times have changed. Every man and his dog has a smartphone nowadays. It's become easy for people to zip up other mods together and release their "own". But as you say, when it comes to providing support or working out issues, they sometimes don't have the knowledge to do this. But in saying this, there are MANY skilled developers who come up with amazing work, and put in countless hours in providing and supporting their work. All for people to modernise or improve their smartphones, and not be charged anything for the service.
But even back in the early days, we had "ROM Kitchens" where anyone could cook up a Windows Mobile ROM with features they wanted, and they then posted their ROMs on XDA. Each was customised to how they wanted.
Nowadays, it's just down to the sheer number of Android users, that we're seeing this explosion of ROMs.
All I can suggest is you only use the ones you are interested in, and simply not use or look at the others. At the end of the day, they are doing no harm. if they are (for example bricking devices), then we will intervene.
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Not to be wrong understood, I don't say that everybody is like this. There are of course great people around here. And of course I agree, it's at the end everybody's decision, with whom to bake the cake