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Dear All,
Is it confirmed that TP2 will have an official upgrade to WM 6.5?
fadimck said:
Dear All,
Is it confirmed that TP2 will have an official upgrade to WM 6.5?
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I'm pretty sure it is, but I have no proof to offer...
Dave
yes, it has already been mentioned anywhere, but it takes time for the first release...
Yes there will be my friend, new apps, new radio, great stuff.
When HARDSPL comes out i will give u something to play.
another confirmation that yes it will be upgraded but microsoft has to release 6.5 officially and HTC has to make the rom
mallman said:
another confirmation that yes it will be upgraded but microsoft has to release 6.5 officially and HTC has to make the rom
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Who knows??? Hasn´t HTC made it yet???
how about windows 7? is the phone "capable"?
MarketPlace and My Phone were announced with Touch Diamond2 and Touch Pro2 (and LG-GM7300) citing upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.5:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2009/feb09/02-16MWCPR.mspx
hihik said:
how about windows 7? is the phone "capable"?
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no I don't think it will be. for one thing, the TP2 doesn't have a capacitive touch screen and one of the requirements for a device to be able to run on WM7 is a capacitive screen.
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no I don't think it will be. for one thing, the TP2 doesn't have a capacitive touch screen and one of the requirements for a device to be able to run on WM7 is a capacitive screen.
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I thought I read on the ads that it said it was available for a windows 7 upgrade. I can't find the ad right now, but when I do i'll post it on here with an edit.
EDIT: Here is the picture regarding AT&T. On the bottom, it says windows 7.x refresh awarded with Sep 09 launch date. VIA engadget.com
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/05/htc-fortress-slide.jpg
Here is another link regarding "requirements" for WM7, from May, 2009. It meets the wvga resolution, and exceeds the size.
http://jkontherun.com/2009/05/13/windows-mobile-7-details-emerge-multi-touch-required/
And some screen shots posted on another portion of this site of windows mobile 7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363061
madjsp said:
I thought I read on the ads that it said it was available for a windows 7 upgrade. I can't find the ad right now, but when I do i'll post it on here with an edit.
EDIT: Here is the picture regarding AT&T. On the bottom, it says windows 7.x refresh awarded with Sep 09 launch date. VIA engadget.com
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/05/htc-fortress-slide.jpg
Here is another link regarding "requirements" for WM7, from May, 2009. It meets the wvga resolution, and exceeds the size.
http://jkontherun.com/2009/05/13/windows-mobile-7-details-emerge-multi-touch-required/
And some screen shots posted on another portion of this site of windows mobile 7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363061
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firstly, the spreadsheet that you looked at is not accurate. it says that the AT&T version of the TP2 will be out on May 25th, which is obviously incorrect. the spreadsheet is very old. it's understood here that the spreadsheet shouldn't be taken seriously.
and as for the WM7 article, the TP2 CANNOT run WM7.
1. it cannot support multi-touch (multi-touch is only for capacitive screens, while the TP2 has a resistive screen)
2. the TP2 doesn't have a 3.5 mm headphone jack
3. it doesn't have the hardware for a compass
4. as far as I know about reading spec sheets, the TP2's processor is too slow (spec sheet states need of "QCOMM 8k" TP2 has a QUALCOMM 7200)
believe me, I wish the TP2 could run WM7 too, but it's not built to.
poppinpengawen said:
firstly, the spreadsheet that you looked at is not accurate. it says that the AT&T version of the TP2 will be out on May 25th, which is obviously incorrect. the spreadsheet is very old. it's understood here that the spreadsheet shouldn't be taken seriously.
and as for the WM7 article, the TP2 CANNOT run WM7.
1. it cannot support multi-touch (multi-touch is only for capacitive screens, while the TP2 has a resistive screen)
2. the TP2 doesn't have a 3.5 mm headphone jack
3. it doesn't have the hardware for a compass
4. as far as I know about reading spec sheets, the TP2's processor is too slow (spec sheet states need of "QCOMM 8k" TP2 has a QUALCOMM 7200)
believe me, I wish the TP2 could run WM7 too, but it's not built to.
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I never said that it would or wouldn't, I merely just provided evidence saying that it would, as well as some other information. I do agree, however, that there are some things that are missing for it to work with windows 7. There was another one for the touch diamond 2 that says it would require a hardware change for windows 7. http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/05/htc-warhawk-slide.jpg
Engadget posted a link to a video tour of Windows 6.5. (The video was moved to here).
In the video (about 6 and a half minutes in), they basically say that WiMo 7 is WiMo 6.5 with multi-touch support. The reason we dont have multi-touch now is that all screens are different due to the loose hardware standards resulting in each device needing its own coding. Later with WiMo7, they intend to tighten up the standards to simplify the coding in the OS.
Is it possible that the TP2's hardware already meets those standards? In the AT&T spec leak of the Fortress and Warhawk (and yes, I know none of this can be taken as fact and the dates are obviously WAY off, but why disregard all of it?), they say the Touch Diamond 2 would require a hardware upgrade, but the Touch Pro 2 is upgradable to WiMo7.
Could it be??
yes, just test the guitar-hero game that somebody made.
Very informative...but I am pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 isn't going to be Windows Mobile 6.5 with multitouch...
If it's not going to have large menus and large buttons like Android, iPhone, Symbian, or Pre, than it's for sure not Windows Mobile 7. And if they **** this up I might switch to android or pre.
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And if they **** this up I might switch to android or pre.
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I agree. this may be the last WinMo handset I buy. unless they can pick it up and make it more finger friendly and eye-appealing.
I mean cmon, Microsoft can see that HTC and Samsung are making UI's that practically erase any evidence of WinMo, and they don't take the hint. once I get the TP2 I'm switching over to Android until Microsoft catches on.
Maybe they figure it's better to make a crappy UI that everyone knows how to program for, then let each maker do their own overlay for it.
Let's face it, HTC are obviously much better than MS at making mobile device UIs...
poppinpengawen said:
I agree. this may be the last WinMo handset I buy. unless they can pick it up and make it more finger friendly and eye-appealing.
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This may be the last winmo handset I buy because I fear they'll soon leave behind some of their strengths chasing the capacitative/consumery bandwagon. Fortunately, I expect the TP2 to last a while.
It is a perfect OS, but the reason they can't make the buttons any bigger is because Windows Mobile is also designed for phones with small screens that are less than 2.8 inches. Because of this if they increase the standard in size, well than Windows Mobile (Big Buttons Version) would not be a logical operating system for phones with small screens.
But seriously, Microsoft needs to reassess and make a minimum 3 inch screen limit so they can create a finger friendly standard. And the stylus is still a very welcome accessory with the bigger menus and options.
If Microsoft were smart or had hired smarter people than we would have not have these stupid constraints.
Does anyone know what the required hardware specs are for a pocketpc to support WM7? And does the TP2 satisfy these specs?
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Does anyone know what the required hardware specs are for a pocketpc to support WM7? And does the TP2 satisfy these specs?
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http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4332
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
poppinpengawen said:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4332
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
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Styli are helpful for many Asian languages (winmo is courting Chinese markets as we speak), and capacitative styli are humongous. Perhaps the capacitative preference for winmo7 explains why winmo6.5 will coexist with it--so resistive screens can hang around and help capture Asian markets.
However, your link prefaces the list with "WM7 Chassis 1 Spec" (note the 3.5" minimum screen size), something that indicates there could be a "Chassis 2" etc.
poppinpengawen said:
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen. Resistive is so much more functional (stylus handwriting recognition, less battery consumption, cheaper, etc.) And it saddens me that they are getting phased out due to all the iphone lovers out there.
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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen. Resistive is so much more functional (stylus handwriting recognition, less battery consumption, cheaper, etc.) And it saddens me that they are getting phased out due to all the iphone lovers out there.
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link indicating the screen technology used in the Touch pro 2 can do multitouch?
crazy talk said:
link indicating the screen technology used in the Touch pro 2 can do multitouch?
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stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
As far as products actually on the market, multitouch does mean capacitative. But for the future, it doesn't have to stay that way.
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Styli are helpful for many Asian languages (winmo is courting Chinese markets as we speak), and capacitative styli are humongous. Perhaps the capacitative preference for winmo7 explains why winmo6.5 will coexist with it--so resistive screens can hang around and help capture Asian markets.
However, your link prefaces the list with "WM7 Chassis 1 Spec" (note the 3.5" minimum screen size), something that indicates there could be a "Chassis 2" etc.
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oh yea, I completely agree with you. I don't see why it isn't possible to just fuse the features of a resistive screen and a capacitive screen together. there's a video (can't remember where I found it...it was somewhere on xda-developers) that shows a resistive screen with multi-touch capability. so that alone shows that it IS possible to have a multi-touch resistive screen. (now that I think about it, it sorta makes sense why the document says "multi-touch" and not simply "capacitive" )
and I have no doubt that there will be a chassis 2. from what I hear, the chassis 1 is being considered Microsoft's "Pink" smartphone. so there's no doubt that the upcoming devices running WM7 will have bigger screens and more hardware, etc.
That video is in linked in the post above yours.
The techs are different, and there will likely always be some tradeoffs. There will never be a complete melding of the two, but some of the biggest concerns can be addressed.
fortunz said:
stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
As far as products actually on the market, multitouch does mean capacitative. But for the future, it doesn't have to stay that way.
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i knew about that.
what i was trying to say was proof the exact screen in the Tp2 can support multi touch. because that was what the person i was replying to was implying.
crazy talk said:
i knew about that.
what i was trying to say was proof the exact screen in the Tp2 can support multi touch. because that was what the person i was replying to was implying.
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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen.
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He said resistive touchscreen can support multitouch. They can. I guess we all agree with each other. Big hugs, all around.
But we don't have the answer yet
Does the Touch Pro 2 have a resistive screen that can handle multitouch or not ...
The video using resistive screen for multitouch uses special hardware chips to handle that.
TP2 does not, AFAIK.
Here's a detailed breakdown on what exactly was learned from the video that Hamburg's referring to.
Seems to me that, technically, WM7 won't be available for the TP2, but we all know there'll be some builds cooked up here that'll work at some point in the future
Technically capable or not I don't think there will be an official upgrade available. In an interview with someone with HTC they said that the upgrade to 6.5 was being done because Microsoft had said they would provide the rights for the free upgrade. I doubt Microsoft would provide two free upgrade rights for the same phone,, and I doubt HTC would shell out the cash necessary to provide a second update either. So in the end, it'd require a cooked ROM. Good thing though is the fact that in one of the many articles around it said the processor would need to be ARMv6, which the Pro2's is.
http://pocketnow.com/rumor/windows-phone-7-series-for-htc-hd2-more-proof
"Can Adobe clarify the roadmap for Android and Windows Mobile? Based on what was announced in February and June I was expecting some alpha release during MAX and had planned for that. The announcement at MAX there was to be some preview release in December together with the Open Screen Project partners was unfortunate, but no big problem.. Unfortunately that preview release did not materialize and 2009 has passed. Mobile Flash is different from the regular Flash in that I can not get my developers to just install it on the hardware they have, I need to get funding for new phones, acquire them etc. Budgets do not come overnight, so the sooner Adobe can provide us with a clear roadmap the better.
What I need to know is:
- what will be the first Android phone for which a Flash Player 10.1 alpha/preview will be released?
- what will be the first Windows Mobile phone for which a Flash Player 10.1 alpha/preview will be released?
- When?
To that, the Adobe rep replies:
We're waiting for OS updates from Google and Microsoft before we can distribute a Flash Player Beta. We expect this to happen early this year. Thank you for your patience!
The first Android devices that will support Flash Player are the Droid and Nexus One. The first WinMo device will be the HTC HD2.
And in another reply, the Adobe rep mentions:
You can expect the final release for Android to be available mid-year. All Android devices that meet our minimum s/w and h/w requirements will be supported. Unfortunately, I cannot say a lot more publicly about our port to the Android platform at this time.
As for WinMo, we have made the tough decision to defer support for that platform until WinMo7. This is due to the fact that WinMo6.5 does not support some of the critical APIs that we need.
So wait a sec - if Adobe isn't adding flash to Windows Phone until version 7, and the HD2 will be the first device to have it, doesn't this mean that the HD2 will run Windows Phone 7 Series? Connecting the dots, this seems to be the case."
So what do you guys think????
UPDATE
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13719
Whilst Microsoft may have previously said there were no current devices that were WP7 capable, they may well just have reversed that.
It’s early days yet, and that’s really for our hardware partners to think about.
I cannot think any reason why HD2 cannot use Windows Phone 7 Series.
All minimum requirements are met, except HD2 has 5 buttons while the requirement is only 3 buttons.
That would be OK, there will be 2 buttons unused or even better they can be mapped to certain functionality.
But then it depends on HTC to make it happen .... or XDA gurus here
I also think this will be answered next month during MIX10.
All minimum requirements are met, except HD2 has 5 buttons while the requirement is only 3 buttons.
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lol... it's minimum three buttons of course.
I remain skeptical for several reasons regarding the Win Phone 7 minimum specs;
1. The phone must have back, search and home keys, and the HD2 lacks the search key, as well as the other two having incorrect legend (it might be possible to use the Windows key as the search key though)
2. The phone must have camera and power keys, one of which the HD2 lacks
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
5. There are not supposed to be any other keys, but the HD2 has two phone keys and volume keys
Aside from any possible key mapping, which I suspect Microsoft wouldn't be happy with, the other points lead to a deal-breaking condition.
I can't see how the HD2 would cope with the lack of four-point fingerpress recognition, although I'm not too sure when that would be used other than during two-handed typing using two fingers from each hand?
EDIT: If Microsoft do allow key mapping, then I guess the right-hand phone key could be POWER, and the left-hand one might be the CAMERA button.
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I remain skeptical for several reasons regarding the Win Phone 7 minimum specs;
1. The phone must have back, search and home keys, and the HD2 lacks the search key, as well as the other two having incorrect legend (it might be possible to use the Windows key as the search key though)
2. The phone must have camera and power keys, one of which the HD2 lacks
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
5. There are not supposed to be any other keys, but the HD2 has two phone keys and volume keys
Aside from any possible key mapping, which I suspect Microsoft wouldn't be happy with, the other points lead to a deal-breaking condition.
I can't see how the HD2 would cope with the lack of four-point fingerpress recognition, although I'm not too sure when that would be used other than during two-handed typing using two fingers from each hand?
EDIT: If Microsoft do allow key mapping, then I guess the right-hand phone key could be POWER, and the left-hand one might be the CAMERA button.
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I doubt what's on the keys is going to be a deal-breaker. I mean, MS want people to use this new OS, and HD2 users aren't going to go and buy a new phone for it (in 98% of cases). So I can't see what harm it would do (to either MS or HTC) to bend these stupid marketing rules for existing WM7-capable phones.
Yupe 5 is more than 3, are you happy?
I want to buy HD2 to replace my HTC Kaiser, but I would wait something new from HTC (HD3? *yummy*).
In the meantime, I am playing with Android on HTC Kaiser.
freyberry said:
lol... it's minimum three buttons of course.
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guys you seriously missing the point adobe have stated that hd2 is going to have windows mobile 7 and all you can do discuss the 5 button problem lol. ive seen a demo of hd2 with flash working on 6.5 so maybe theyve delayed it for 7 because windows 7 utilises the hardware better?
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http://pocketnow.com/rumor/windows-phone-7-series-for-htc-hd2-more-proof
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To that, the Adobe rep replies:
We're waiting for OS updates from Google and Microsoft before we can distribute a Flash Player Beta. We expect this to happen early this year. Thank you for your patience!
The first Android devices that will support Flash Player are the Droid and Nexus One. The first WinMo device will be the HTC HD2.
And in another reply, the Adobe rep mentions:
You can expect the final release for Android to be available mid-year. All Android devices that meet our minimum s/w and h/w requirements will be supported. Unfortunately, I cannot say a lot more publicly about our port to the Android platform at this time.
As for WinMo, we have made the tough decision to defer support for that platform until WinMo7. This is due to the fact that WinMo6.5 does not support some of the critical APIs that we need.
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This is why I hate Internet rumours; people never bother to think.
The two posts being referred to in the Adobe forum are more than a month apart. It's obvious that the decision not to issue a version of FlashPlayer for WM6 was taken during that one month gap.
When the guy posted back in early January, they were still intending to release a version for WM6.5; at that point the plan was that the HD2 would be the first WM6.5 phone able to run it.
By early February they had changed their plans; having discovered that WM6.5 lacks certain crucial API's they decided to cancel the release of FlashPlayer for Windows Mobile altogether, and not release anything for a Microsoft platform until WP7 is available.
There is no logical connection between the HD2 and WP7 there; the two things feature in entirely different plans.
What Shasarak said.
THINK if you have read correctly what i have written than you would understand ive seen a demo of HD2 running flash infact heres a video http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup13.html
the video clearly shows hd2 with 6.5 working with flash so the api bulls*** is rubbish. Even if it was the case that there was some API missing Adobe could have included in the software?????
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THINK
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My anger wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the idiots at pocketnow who lack basic comprehension skills.
yustheman said:
if you have read correctly what i have written than you would understand ive seen a demo of HD2 running flash infact heres a video http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup13.html
the video clearly shows hd2 with 6.5 working with flash so the api bulls*** is rubbish. Even if it was the case that there was some API missing Adobe could have included in the software?????
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Well, there are two possibilities, there. One is that the so-called Adobe rep quoted at pocketnow doesn't what know what the f*ck he's talking about, in which case speculating about WP7 appearing on the HD2 on the basis of what he says is clearly entirely pointless; the other is that the rep does know what he is talking about, and that what you saw was an alpha version with support for only a subset of Flash functions, and that there will now never be a finished version because some of the missing features require api's that WM6.5 doesn't have.
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My anger wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the idiots at pocketnow who lack basic comprehension skills.
Well, there are two possibilities, there. One is that the so-called Adobe rep quoted at pocketnow doesn't what know what the f*ck he's talking about, in which case speculating about WP7 appearing on the HD2 on the basis of what he says is clearly entirely pointless; the other is that the rep does know what he is talking about, and that what you saw was an alpha version with support for only a subset of Flash functions, and that there will now never be a finished version because some of the missing features require api's that WM6.5 doesn't have.
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My apologies........
Jim Coleman said:
3. The screen has to be able to register four simultaneous finger-presses, which the HD2 cannot do
4. The phone must have a forward-facing camera, which the HD2 does not have
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#3 is a software adjustment. The hardware itself is capable.
I haven't seen #4 listed as a requirement anywhere. Reference? They didn't sound like they were pushing video-calling at all. I don't even think their reference model had a forward-facing camera.
#4 is not a reqiurement
#5 is wrong as well, of course there may be other keys (like send & end)
The search and camera keys are required for new devices, but not a reason not to provide an upgrade.
What I can say is, an official upgrade is possible and seemed very likely from what I've heard some time ago (I can't reveal more, you have to trust me) but the last I've heard was that it's getting increasingly unlikely (lots of politics there...). I expect an official announcement of their decision when it launches in the US.
Right now, it's a waiting game and we can only hope...
And please, don't ask me, that's all I can say.
Seems like the majority of the blogs/sites don't think before posting (or just do it to generate traffic). At least MTW questioned the "realness" of the stuff: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-1-support-for-windows-mobile-6-5-wait-a-sec/
And how the **** did Pocketnow see any hint/connection with a WP7 update for the HD2 is beyond me.
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At least MTW questioned the "realness" of the stuff: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-1-support-for-windows-mobile-6-5-wait-a-sec/
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My working hypothesis today is that Adobe has indeed cancelled any plans to release Flashplayer for WM6.x, but that they are lying about their reasons for doing so. Happy to be corrected on any point if there is conflicting evidence, naturally.
We've seen Flash 10.1 running on WM6.5, so their statement about missing APIs is clearly a lie.
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We've seen Flash 10.1 running on WM6.5, so their statement about missing APIs is clearly a lie.
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Well, we don't know that every feature of Flash was supported, and we certainly don't know that every feature was supported at an acceptable level of performance.
Seriously, do you think they would have developed it for months if they could have known from the beginning that it would not work?
It was almost ready. They've shown it on video. At that state, you normally know about the APIs you need. Plus, WP7 will offer even less APIs.
Their answer is nonsense. I'm sure they're lying.
Flash is dead.
HTML5 is the new way.
EOS().
why they don't do it? ipad as iphone os... many slate are coming with android... why not a wp7 slate? i think it should be awesome, don't you?
I'm sure it will happen. By MS? I wouldn't bet on it, but there's nothing stopping MS's official partners from making a device. C-Motech made a Windows Mobile 6.5 tablet last year. If it does happen it will probably be anywhere between 5-8 inches since the highest resolution possible is only 800x480
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why they don't do it? ipad as iphone os... many slate are coming with android... why not a wp7 slate? i think it should be awesome, don't you?
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Maybe HP Slate will comes with WebOS from Palm, I guess you already know that HP bought PALM
4 main OS's
Out of the 4 main OS's of choice Android,iPhone,WebOS & WP7 I personally think WebOS & WP7 would be the best tablet experience to have on a device with w 7"+ screen size.
I really don't understand what everyone's hang up is with having a phone OS on a tablet.
It's bd enough that we have to endure the closed phone OS ecosystem on phones, why would you want to move that to the tablet realm?
What happened to all the people maligning the iPad because it ran a phone OS?
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I really don't understand what everyone's hang up is with having a phone OS on a tablet.
It's bd enough that we have to endure the closed phone OS ecosystem on phones, why would you want to move that to the tablet realm?
What happened to all the people maligning the iPad because it ran a phone OS?
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more people are buying into the "what it does, it does really well" talking point. I don't know how many times I've read that, and heard it by ipad owners. Real tablets need another year or 2 to get the right hardware to use a real OS well at acceptable battery life, weight, and performance.
The HP Touchsmart is a step in the right direction. We're at like 1st & Goal for a real tablet envisioned like 10 years ago.
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more people are buying into the "what it does, it does really well" talking point.
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Which is kind of ridiculous because the point of the evolution of the computer is that it enables you to do more and more with one device.
This single-minded design ethos just restricts the customer further and further, and the fragmentation of operating systems is going to ensure that development is spread between all of them, rather than focussed on one of them (alternatively you're just going to see one rise to dominance and all the others will fade away).
Having a desktop OS on a tablet allows you to leverage the design and development work that's already gone into that operating system.
I see a lot of people/sites talking about how HP -- in their supposed killing of the Windows 7 Slate -- wants to own both the hardware and the software. I think these companies really need to take a more in-depth look at that business model -- the only company it's worked for is Apple, and it's arguable whether or not that's because Apple actually makes it work, or because Apple has their reality distortion field at full power.
Besides, if you've ever used an HP OEM PC that hasn't been formatted, you know just what a terrible idea it is having HP responsible for any kind of software development...
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Besides, if you've ever used an HP OEM PC that hasn't been formatted, you know just what a terrible idea it is having HP responsible for any kind of software development...
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That's actually true about every OEM out there.
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That's actually true about every OEM out there.
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I know, I was just citing HP as a specific example because they're rumoured to be killing off the Windows 7 Slate in favour of using an in house OS (WebOS).
The fact that companies are looking to own the OS and the hardware just sooms like a quality-sacrificing money-grab to me.
HP is a hardware company, and they make really good hardware. Microsoft is a software company, and they make really good software. There's a reason that they keep out of each others' markets, and that's because they would compromise the quality of the finished product. Great HP hardware running crappy HP software wouldn't amount to anything...
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The fact that companies are looking to own the OS and the hardware just sooms like a quality-sacrificing money-grab to me.
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They have tons of ambitions usually, and within big corporations like HP it's impossible to say that something they make sucks. So at the end of the day even if they may know they're bad at software they'll never acknowledge it, which sooner or later leads to bad decisions. They have reality distortion fields of their own.
Anyway, HP isn't a company that knows how to focus on anything. So I would expect to see different tablets from them, their acquisition of Palm doesn't mean much in this respect.
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Real tablets need another year or 2 to get the right hardware to use a real OS well at acceptable battery life, weight, and performance.
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Everyone seems to forget that tablet laptops with tablet versions of Windows XP/Vista/7 have been available for years. And yes they have acceptable battery life, weight, and performance.
Anyone who ever mentions "Laptop Replacement" and iPad in the same sentence should be required to look up the Lenovo Thinkpad X200 multi-touch tablet. Heavier and more expensive? Sure. But you only need one! No need lug that useless laptop around with you for every occasion that you might want to type something a bit longer than a web address or a text message, or every time your iPad fails at some trivial task that any 10 year old computer could easily perform.
But of course the iPad is not about features is it, it is about ease of use, and "doing what it does really well".
So what are these things that the iPad does "really well", compared to a laptop or desktop computer? Is Mobile Safari on the iPad really any easier to use than any desktop web browser? What about watching movies and listening to music (was this ever difficult)? Well it's optimized for touch input you say! But really, with 1024x768 and above screens, the difference between a finger and a mouse pointer is pretty close to being insignificant.
And lets not forget that Windows 7 came with multi-touch friendly features built in well before the iPad was even announced.
But of course no one knows this.
Anyway, I had a point, before I got sidetracked ranting about the iPad (I really need to work on this). My point was, tablet computers running the Windows operating system already exist, are available for a price no more than an average laptop, are optimized for multi-touch, and are easy to use, fast, and extremely powerful.
Pick one up, or at least check one out, and you'll forget that you ever thought you wanted to own an over-sized phone.
and you'll forget that you ever thought you wanted to own an over-sized phone.
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It's not even an oversized phone, cause it can't make phone calls. It's just an oversized music player.
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And lets not forget that Windows 7 came with multi-touch friendly features built in well before the iPad was even announced.
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I saw this when Windows 7 was released and was totally psyched for Windows 7 multi-touch tablets.
I had the fortune of grabbing a tablet that my Uncle was trying out for work back in the early 2000s, one of the old school HP or Compaq ones that only worked with the stylus and ran XP Tablet Edition. I was reading an eBook version of Angels and Demons, and it was love at first sight.
Ever since I've wanted a modern tablet, but there really hasn't been anything.
MooGoo said:
My point was, tablet computers running the Windows operating system already exist, are available for a price no more than an average laptop, are optimized for multi-touch, and are easy to use, fast, and extremely powerful.
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I've been thinking of picking up a convertible ultra-portable (most likely the HP EliteBook 2730p if I go that route) and I'm just mostly concerned about the increased weight. I want a tablet to fill a very specific niche (replacing and enhancing the functionality of a book) and I don't need 3.3 pounds worth of keyboard et cetera to do that...
i think that we are already ready at hardware specs to make a slate with real os onboard... 5 hours aren't so bad...
but did you think wath can mean using windows 7, also with multitouch pack, ONLY with fingers and... on a 9" screen? don't forget that if os has touch optimization... the apps don't, if they weren't already designed... try to think about web surfing with firefox without touch optimization like form management and with menus not finger and friendly... now think all the others apps... i think we'll go crazy after few minutes
i think that mobile os are not better, but they are build to be finger friendly (unless winmo6 hehehe) and the experience with that is completely different and awesome respect a real os only with finger gesture, unless somebody develop an entire ui for win7 and sw start to have a finger friendly design and gestures...
different are the tablet pc, with keyboard and touchpad, in that case you can switch and having always the best input device method available.
bye!
Blue Ice K4 said:
but did you think wath can mean using windows 7, also with multitouch pack, ONLY with fingers and... on a 9" screen? don't forget that if os has touch optimization... the apps don't, if they weren't already designed... try to think about web surfing with firefox without touch optimization like form management and with menus not finger and friendly... now think all the others apps... i think we'll go crazy after few minutes
i think that mobile os are not better, but they are build to be finger friendly (unless winmo6 hehehe) and the experience with that is completely different and awesome respect a real os only with finger gesture, unless somebody develop an entire ui for win7 and sw start to have a finger friendly design and gestures...
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I'm so tired of people preaching "finger friendliness". It seems in order to be "finger friendly" to these people, the entire screen needs to be occupied with just one giant button.
Do you all have Parkinson's?
dont worry, i haven't parkinson...
i just want a device where i dont want to touch twice the button because the first time i didn't aimed well the touch.
i just want a device where the apps doesn't require a keyboard.
i just want a device where there are apps...
what do you want to do with a slate? a device without keyboard and 9" screen...
internet, mail, youtube, movies, gps, mp3, chat, skype, videocall, games and others "mobile apps"... at this moment all these thing can be made with a mobile os with a best experience; with win7 they could be made, but there aren't all (games for example) and the experience it's surely poor respect to a mobile os...
Spike15 said:
I'm so tired of people preaching "finger friendliness". It seems in order to be "finger friendly" to these people, the entire screen needs to be occupied with just one giant button.
Do you all have Parkinson's?
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OMG YOU READ MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIND.
Finger friendliness does not require super sized UI elements. An operating system that has a finger controlled touchscreen as one of its input devices, can be programed so that, on detection of finger input, the areas of activation for common control elements such as buttons, check boxes, scrollbars, links etc, would be expanded, and thus not require precise placement as would be the case with a mouse pointer. You can already see this kind of finger adaptation on decent mobile web browsers such as the one built into Android which can accurately detect clicks on links even on a completely zoomed out web page (Opera Mobile 10 on the other hand could barely detect a click if the entire screen was a link...sigh)
This same finger awareness could be used to detect presses within scrollable areas to enable finger drag scrolling, just as TouchFlo originally did for WinMo.
And on the off chance you are presented with some nightmare of overlapping buttons, then the ability to zoom in the entire screen (Magnifier in Windows 7) can be used to compensate.
In short, no UI redesign should be necessary for finger control of most computer applications. Of course there will be exceptions, games in particular, many of which will get patched, some needing significant redesign.
That is the one thing the iPad offers that thus far is unique. It is the only significant platform for large format touch screen applications. Apple's trick this time around was to outsource their trademark innovation almost entirely to 3rd party developers. So far seems to be working.
Blue Ice K4 said:
i just want a device where i dont want to touch twice the button because the first time i didn't aimed well the touch.
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Then learn to not suck so much at touchscreens.
That's like saying you want a keyboard that you don't have to learn to type on. Every interface paradigm is going to have somewhat of a learning curve.
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i just want a device where the apps doesn't require a keyboard.
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What are you talking about? Until they take speech recognition (or something else esoteric) to the next level, all apps that require any kind of input of text are going to require a keyboard, which onscreen or hardware.
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i just want a device where there are apps...
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And there are no "apps" for Windows 7?
You're just coming off as stupid. Your beyond-atrocious grammar doesn't help matters.
Blue Ice K4 said:
what do you want to do with a slate? a device without keyboard and 9" screen...
internet, mail, youtube, movies, gps, mp3, chat, skype, videocall, games
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What are you talking about?
The only thing in that list that I can't see myself doing easily on Windows 7 is GPS. There's probably some kind of GPS software for Windows, but I can't name any off the top-of-my-head, so I'll have to acquiensce that point.
As for the rest:
Internet: I love how people just throw "internet" around. What exactly are you referring to? "Internet" refers to "inter-network" and is therefore any situation wherein hosts on separate networks communicate.
The HP Slate has 3G and WiFi, so I think this qualifies.
Perhaps you were referring to "web browsing", which would be using a browser to view pages on the internet via HTTP. What's wrong with doing that in Windows 7? Does everyone not know that Windows 7 has built in multi-touch capability? You can get an HP Slate with Windows 7 and fire up IE and browse by touching links, pinch to zoom...it even has more robust multi-touch support that iPhone OS, being that it supports right-click and rotate multi-touch gestures.
Click here and scroll down to "Gestures" to see just how robust multi-touch support in Windows 7 really is...for clarity's sake, all those gestures emulate calls that already exist in Windows, so an application doesn't need to be multi-touch aware for you to be able to use multi-touch to zoom in it.
Mail: Why not? I think this point actually exemplifies what Windows 7-based tablets have over other operating systems. Look at all the crying that Android users do because Android doesn't have native support for Exchange.
Get a Windows 7 tablet, throw Outlook 2007/2010 on there, how much money says I have the best Exchange support available, plus support for all the connectors etc. and built-in POP3/IMAP4 support Outlook has.
If you're going for a touchscreen device, and you want to do mail, you'd have to be stupid not to go with Windows.
YouTube: Flash support (HP actually released a video that was devoted to nothing more than Adobe discussing AIR and Flash on the Slate) and Internet Explorer? How could that get any better?
Movies: I keep coming back to this whole "it is Windows" argument, and you're going to see that be a recurring theme. This is what really makes a Windows 7-based tablet special -- the fact that you can just run Windows software on it. This is why fragmenting the mobile OS market is bad, because your support isn't all consolidated on one platform.
You want to watch movies? I'm pretty sure Windows 7 ships with WMP12, and that, that has built-in DivX support. If that's not good enough for you, I'm sure you can use the WiFi/3G connection (or plug in a thumbdrive!) and install VLC media player.
Plus the Slate has graphics acceleration support for viewing 1080p movies!
Again: What more do you want?
GPS: I already acquiesced on this one.
MP3: Gee doesn't WMP come with Windows 7? Pretty sure that's been playing MP3s since...
...since...
...it came out in 1998?
And again, it is Windows! Don't like the built-in media player, get VLC or WinAmp or...
Chat: I'm pretty sure all the major IM clients are available for Windows. If you want to use a lot of IM protocols at once, I'm pretty sure things like Trillian and Pidgin are available for Windows!
Skype: See "Chat".
Videocall: See "Chat".
Games:
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Dear God!
Blue Ice K4 said:
"mobile apps"... at this moment all these thing can be made with a mobile os with a best experience
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For the record, "mobile apps" are people reinventing the wheel. They have a Facebook website, they have a Mobile Facebook website, so instead of leveraging that, and the fact that HTML/CSS/JavaScript is a relative standard, they make an app that's specific to each platform.
With Windows 7-based tablets, existing Windows development can be leveraged upon. Rather than redeveloping the entire application they can just build in the multi-touch features that are built into Windows. There's no hacking, to third-party garbage, this is a Windows-based device leveraging built-in Windows functionality.
Blue Ice K4 said:
the experience it's surely poor respect to a mobile os...
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All these myraid "mobile os[es] [sic]" do is fragment the market to the point where developers cannot have their application on every platform. When you buy a tablet buying some funky OS, like WebOS (for example) or some funky custom distro of Linux, do you really think some developer is going to get you an app before Windows 7.
No, because by targeting the Windows 7 tablet, the developer can simultaneously target the desktop audience.
Which is far bigger than the mobile audience, and will be most likely indefinitely.
i have a prototype tablet my company has been developing and all i can say is windows7 on it is amazing plus all the features you have in your cell phone can be implemented in these tablets with windows 7. i think apple did another FU customer with the ipad. tablets are not toys but products to be used in an educational or work manner then in between play. i think everyone wants an ipad like tablet as over the years there has been a degradation of intelligence. if you want eye candy use your phone. if you want functionality use your tablet.
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if you want eye candy use your phone. if you want functionality use your tablet.
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Or you could just use a phone with WinMo or Android.
On January 10, 2011, Microsoft announced Windows Embedded Handheld 6.5, the last windows mobile family product. since then it stopped supporting it's best mobile product
examples are closing market, not publishing fresh bing and skype, threatening us it will stop support on live messenger, stopping microsoft facebook app, iexplorer, fully stopping donations do third party software publishers. It is determined to kill this great product.
If microsoft had decided to evolve wm 6.5.5 to windows mobile 7 keeping backwards compatibility, i am sure it could keep windows mobile's big market share. instead of this it decided to create a monster mobile os (windows phone) totally closed, hardware dependent, non customizable. Google was smart enough to keep or adopt wm nice features and dominate with android
Microsoft is fool enough to expect after what it did to wm users (abandoning them), people to trust it again and buy it's new products (windows phone)
So i am opening a petition to show microsoft that wm users are still many and that we demand support, at least on the above products i mentioned.
Please vote here
http://www.ipetition...tion/wmsupport/
Have a look at the following article from the UK's Computing Magazine.
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/feat...r-windows-as-hillarys-blinds-opts-for-android
It more or less sums it up, when a dedicated user of WM 6.5 handsets, decides to ditch the lot in favour of Android because of the uncertainty involved in WM and Windows Phone, and the incompatibility between them. These devices are far more than phones. They are line of business hand held order terminals that allow the sales representative to produce an on the spot quote for a client. They have become essential tools of the business.
Microsoft, in its attempt to try and follow the Apple model, has alienated countless users. If it involves a Herculean effort to port an application from Windows Mobile 5/6 to Windows Phone 7/8, it is probably not much harder to port it to a completely different platform.
Hillarys was probably not the first company to do this, and I am certain it won't be the last.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2415482
Any SW that pulls contents online or relying on online backend support will likely cease to work. And, if the provider is Microsoft, you are rest assured that it will happen sooner that other 3rd-party providers.
Its indeed sad that Microsoft alienated WM users
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you think Microsoft harmed its customers by stopping support to windows mobile (most of users were businessmen/women). The company harmed itself. i am sure if gates was still the boss he will never get this kind of stupid decision. New CEO seems to get money from google to lead all the company's mobile customers to android. They doing their best about this. Stop one app after another. They think they lead us to windows phone this, but in fact they are leading us to android.
Windows mobile was fully customizable, platform independent, with thousands of apps, mature, tested fast
Windows phone is non customizable (i hate stupid home screen tiles), platform dependent (qualcomm only), with very few apps (fewer for business use), less tested and less beloved.
Android was very smart and covered Microsoft's stupidity, by cloning windows mobile best features (customizable, platform independent, with thousands of apps, now mature, now tested)
Android is the new windows mobile. It is replacing windows mobile (and windows CE) on all portable devices i know. Microsoft shot it's base clients and killed herself. i am never going to buy windows phone as long as they want to keep their OS locked. Most wm lovers too. Once traitor (of customers) all time traitor (in near future MS will betray WP7 and WP8 users for another stupid idea).
if i was MS CEO i would have fired the person had the idea about abandoning wm and start from zero point with Windows Phone on his form. If was CEO's idea he should resign and admit his failure on the stockholders.
It maybe that Windows RT, the ARM Windows 8 OS for tablets, could be going the same way.
Since its launch, all other manufacturers of the devices have pulled out due to disappointing sales. The last to pull its products was Dell, now leaving Microsoft as the sole supplier of the devices in a dwindling share of the market.
Somehow, it all sounds vaguely familiar.
stephj said:
It maybe that Windows RT, the ARM Windows 8 OS for tablets, could be going the same way.
Since its launch, all other manufacturers of the devices have pulled out due to disappointing sales. The last to pull its products was Dell, now leaving Microsoft as the sole supplier of the devices in a dwindling share of the market.
Somehow, it all sounds vaguely familiar.
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Same to me
But Windows Mobile was loads better
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spkraul said:
On January 10, 2011, Microsoft announced Windows Embedded Handheld 6.5, the last windows mobile family product. since then it stopped supporting it's best mobile product
examples are closing market, not publishing fresh bing and skype, threatening us it will stop support on live messenger, stopping microsoft facebook app, iexplorer, fully stopping donations do third party software publishers. It is determined to kill this great product.
If microsoft had decided to evolve wm 6.5.5 to windows mobile 7 keeping backwards compatibility, i am sure it could keep windows mobile's big market share. instead of this it decided to create a monster mobile os (windows phone) totally closed, hardware dependent, non customizable. Google was smart enough to keep or adopt wm nice features and dominate with android
Microsoft is fool enough to expect after what it did to wm users (abandoning them), people to trust it again and buy it's new products (windows phone)
So i am opening a petition to show microsoft that wm users are still many and that we demand support, at least on the above products i mentioned.
Please vote here
http://www.ipetition...tion/wmsupport/
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Good idea! W.M. has a lot of qualities.
I'm sign the petition but I think I will make a better one on another site. (There will be other reasons for more recipients)
Windows Mobile rocked, and so did my HTC Touch Pro 2!
Actually, I think that was part of MS's motivation to not make WP7 backward compatible with WM - to force people to get new handsets.
If WP7 *was* backward compatible with WM, I'd probably still be using my Touch Pro 2 today (over 4 years after I originally purchased it)!!!
Win Mobile 6.1 is best!
Windows mobile ah yes, this is the best operating system for advanced users. Before winmo I have been using nokia phones such as 3310 and 3510i and it was always too simple and not costumizable, I always wanted to get a device, that is more advaced, costumizable and professional and you know more like desktop computer. I found out that that device is pocket pc. I didn't even mind if it didn't have phone, taking another device for phone stuff, was/is not problem fpr me was never as I prefer dumb phone for actual phone functionality anyway.
So I got this budget pda ipaq rz1710 in 2005 oh yeah its still working and is somewhere), mastered winmo quickly(something majority of users could't do). Even through that PPC had very limited ram and no bt or wifi I loved it, I played games, listened to music, watched full movies, installed programs like pocket plus, mbutton and many that costumize UI. I especially enjoyed customzing it and I still do it on both desktop windows and windows mobile.
In 2007 when first iphone came out, I couldn't give two ****s about this overhyped phone with locked down os, which has kids gui (like all smartphones do today), was/is locked down and not costumizable at all. Instead Iphone I just bought a hx4700 (which I used since and I still do, since its just awesome ppc), love its nice vga screen and the fact it has everything what ipaq rz1700 lacked, such as bt, wifi, cf card, 200% faster cpu, more ram and 128mb rom which enables me to flash all the custom roms.
The only real flaw is touchpad instead dpad, god I hate that thing, what were they thinking? So yeah I gamed less on this pda, than on rz1700 because of that, but I mastered the touchpad and it isn't that bad after you get used to it, sadly it makes games that use dpad much more challenging as it is nearly unplayable.
So here I'm in 2013, still rocking with my hx4700, love this pda, its one of best ppc ever made, so I bought another one this year, due the fact that the old one got really worn, especially screen. It got worn so much that the protective layer of digitizer started pealing off! Oh and I broke two touchpads during those years, so I got the third one from ipaqrepair.com. Touch pad is not just bad its also the least durable part of the pda. Quality of hx4700 is amazing, I caried it every where and the original battery degraded only by 30% of battery life in those years, unlike htc hd2 which had for less than year and battery already barely works now and can die in 20 minutes of use! (probably due the fact I ordered it from china, the phone is original, but the battery is fake, I know that just by the fact I got two batteries with it, which is always a bad sign) I also upgraded the ram to 128mb.
Also I got the htc hd2 and ipaq 214 (2008), both are great, ipaq has nice dpad, awesome battery life, sdhc and wpa2. However compared to its older brother from 2004, the hx4700 its not much of improvement, in 4 years they only managed to go from 64 to 128 mb ram(128mb ram upgrade can be done on hx4700 since 2004!), it had same cpu, same screen and instead of being thiner its actually thicker than hx4700 oh and lets not forget that hx4700 is made of magnesium while ipaq 214 is plastic, but it is not cheap plastic, it does go with the hp quality standards. Even through ipaq 214 isn't that impressive its still a nice vga ppc and its comfortable in hand even through its even bigger than hx4700.
Got a little out of the way, but anyway you can see that I do love windows mobile, I want it come back, but that is unlikely to happen. Microsoft pretty much ditched winmo users in favour of the crappy win phone which is the worst mobile os out there. They went to advanced (and best) to dumb kiddy os, much like the competition, in order to attempt to compete with them, nedless to say they failed. That wasn't enough, they also attempt to bring the todays kiddy smartphone interface to desktop pc, with windows 8 and metro, which also failed. Microsoft just never learns, they should had just stick with winmo to please advanced users and they could still retain bigger marketshare of at least 10% than the laughtable 4% which win phone got now.
Anyway not long ago I finished my custom wm6.1 rom, which includes many modded icons(control panel, taskbar icons, folders, filetype icons,..), lots of must have programs such as pocket plus, quick menu, wk task, resco explorer, pocket music, tcpmp, ramdisk,.. registry tweaks, preconfigured filetypes, settings,...
I can share this rom to anybody interested who has the hx4700.
What did I tell you!
stephj said:
It maybe that Windows RT, the ARM Windows 8 OS for tablets, could be going the same way.
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/26/microsoft-kill-windows-rt-larson-green
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385609/windows-rt-faces-the-axe-microsoft-exec-suggests
I wonder if the guys in the RT forum have heard this yet.
stephj said:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/26/microsoft-kill-windows-rt-larson-green
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385609/windows-rt-faces-the-axe-microsoft-exec-suggests
I wonder if the guys in the RT forum have heard this yet.
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That's the same game again and again
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I also used WM from version 3 on in so many PDA's I lost count... Then I went to WM Phones... HTC touch diamond, TD2, HD2, et all... But when Windows 7 came out, I couldn't even look at the directory (my wife has one). So Microsoft drove me to Android... Just another example of their unsailsmenship... Yea I know it's not a word... But it's the truth...
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My only phone is still Samsung Omnia i900, which is just perfect. I think i wouldn't use Android as a primary system, so I am going to buy HTC HD2.
the biggest apps windows mobile lack is a translation app (ex google/bing translate) and a more modern internet browser.
zetakey in very fresh (march 2014) but very heavy and makes the phone to stop responding. i hope they can solve it soon. until then ucweb and opera 10 are our only options.
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the biggest apps windows mobile lack is a translation app (ex google/bing translate) and a more modern internet browser.
zetakey in very fresh (march 2014) but very heavy and makes the phone to stop responding. i hope they can solve it soon. until then ucweb and opera 10 are our only options.
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Had tried Zetakey some time back. Pretty heavy and made device unresponsive but it did work, and hey at least it was a plausible way to access HTML5.
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