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My touchscreen has stopped working and I have upgraded to WM6. Due too "illegal" software on my phone it bounced at the service with a message that my warranty is not valid.
How can i downgrade my phone back to WM5?
Depending on your country/network, you may find an original WM5 rom on Wiki... this problem have ocurred a few times already, so do some searching... there's other threads out there on the subject already
search first then ask
PLZ search first then ask. Several times members discuss this issue.
READ and READ all about downgrade 2 WM5
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=26
good luck
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
LegolasTheElf said:
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.
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My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.
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I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...
fair thread plz
LegolasTheElf said:
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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Hi LegolasTheElf
If u mean me u r right, but not exact the same question.
Any how this thread for me is learning & updating my knowledge.
I learned me & just wane share my experience with another friends.
Thanx for your very nice word choice
I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.
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I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.
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Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.
All i want to say is thaT the guy who sent of his phone for repair with Wm6 on it, is an idiot. It wouldnt surprise me if M$ went after you. And as far as legolas i dont think he's that bad. Maybe the way hes acting will deter noobs away and prevent them from posting useless threads and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day
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and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day
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Hi dev
He answered me by this kind of words and heard me cos I just said “search then ask” #3
So I don’t know what’s wrong with this. NOW CALM DOWN and just go on friends
What the heck is this place coming to?
basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.
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Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.
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Err... I called one person an idiot for making a joke which I thought was funny. The other posts were about people like you. Quit whining.
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I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
@pvs - Thanks
@devius- A foul mouther never solved a problem
@MrSmith - Agreed
NOW LET'S STICK TO THE RULES OF COMMON DECENCY
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
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Good. I agree. The n00bs should leave, and you with them. Go to HoFo or some other dumb site where everyone can have a great love-in and chat about all the different ways you can change your wallpaper, and how the Telco's charge you to change the wallpaper, because, well, it must be true because they sell it themselves online!
I'm not interested in group-think and silliness like this. The true thinkers understand the issue. All the little sheep on here that can't see past the drivel that's been force-fed to them by the state, the church, or whatever the hell nonsense you're believing, don't see it as an issue. They also don't see their actions as selfless. No, not selfless in the common sense. But in the sense that they have lost their sense of self. It's no longer decent for me to attack them, but it is decent for them to waste everyone's time by not searching themselves.
Everyone on here that is screaming that I and others like me are doing something wrong, while essentially condoning the actions of those who have no respect for anyone else, have got it wrong. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that you, the whining masses, telling me that I am doing something wrong, are the victims here. Victimized not by me or the noobs, but, by the very nature of society that says that it is better to be polite than to be honest. That it is far more valuable to be a sheep than a leader. Take a few seconds to think about what I'm writing, not merely to dismiss it. You'll see I'm right. You may disagree with the method, but, you can't disagree with the opinion.
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
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Or you COULD do what I've begun doing. The forums have a neat feature called an "Ignore List". Mine currently has three individuals who have earned acceptance status, and yes, a couple of them are sadly regular contributors and senior members.
I also boycott their threads, and thus, I rarely see any of their posts. The only time it happens is when somebody Quotes their childish vitriol in his/her own posts.
Shogunmark has the best solution to the underlying problem, though. Simply DON'T ANSWER any ridiculous posts that show no-effort on the part of the poster. If you ignore something, it tends to go away. But any response (even a negative one) tends to be a positive reinforcer for the behavior you're trying to reduce.
At any rate, bringing the entire forum's professionalism down by showing how many four-letter words your can string into a sentence is not the solution. But as the members who practice this are limited in number and predictable, the Ignore Lists work a treat.
-pvs
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Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.
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I agree. Definately. The third useless and irrelevant post made by a n00b on the same question should result in a ban.
Legolas,
You are right, the true thinkers do understand the issue. There are two issues though...the n00b questions and the pompous, intellectual snobs such as yourself who regularly ignore simple courtesies. If I wanted what is essentially verbal abuse, I'd go visit my in-laws.
I don't think anyone wants MORE n00b/repeated/irrelevent questions, but your delivery kills the message.
It's not better to be polite or honest but last time I checked, the two are not mutually exclusive.
It sucks that we have to go to 3 or 4 differnet sites now to get the most out of our Hermes! Black is now on win4 and others are taking thier ROM's other places. We are ruining what used to be great about having a forum, and that was having a choice.
Remember when you waited for Kypher's WXL2.0? were you like me and checked every day til it came out?
And then LSVW came out. Then Black! and wow Black1.2, and Black2.0!
Are we going to let Noobs take that feeling from us?! Screw the noobs...let them read and learn like the rest of us. I read through 1000 post threads and so should they! Its time for some tough love, discipline and ignoring them will help them grow.
JJ come back! Kypher; where are you? Make this the one stop cooking shop!
All you have to do to keep everything at THIS forum is not go to the new ones. Don't give their new roms any word of mouth etc. If they see no one gives a darn about their "new home" they will come back. It's that simple...
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All you have to do to keep everything at THIS forum is not go to the new ones. Don't give their new roms any word of mouth etc. If they see no one gives a darn about their "new home" they will come back. It's that simple...
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With all due respect, based on discussions with some of the departed (voluntary and involuntary - LOL), it is not really about people giving a darn. It is more about the user experience on the board. While I appreciate what you are saying, I think that your statement VASTLY oversimplifies the reasons they left. While some may have been motivated by money, status, ego-stroking or whatever, for others it was simply about a more expertly focused site. I am sure that all communities would value your memebership.
well for some of us this is what we do because we love it and dont mind keeping up with the 1000 posts like you said. i know i like to fill my head with as much knowledge as i can so i'll keep on reading and learning
Shadowmite said:
All you have to do to keep everything at THIS forum is not go to the new ones. Don't give their new roms any word of mouth etc. If they see no one gives a darn about their "new home" they will come back. It's that simple...
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Could not agree more!!! This is why a parted with Black 3.01 and future Black roms unless the topic and rom is posted here on XDA.... Same goes for all future cookers. I wont sign up like i did for that buggy iPhone dialer on some Chinese website i could not even understand the text or the few english words and a day later my in box was full of junkmail, i believe now he is cooking a white rom and it will be posted on another forum... My point is the same, these guys are getting over them selfs and are forgetting their roots on XDA.
Sorry to dissagree some of yours opininions. I read the wiki, search the entire forum but nothing comming up
1/ Everyone here used to be a noob once.
2/ The open forum is always better than restricted forum, because the more ideals the better modifiers. Sometimes, it's quite annoyed; but, hey, life is not perfect. Also, there are too many people flame noobs by using abusive vocabularies. Why don't ppl just point out the directions, or simple keep their silent and let the moderators do their jobs?
3/ Those ppl whose posts just to say "tks, I'm downloading now", "wow, that's great" ... into thread of new ROM should be banned for at least 3 days. I saw many senior members do this also!!! Ppl can always show their appreciate to chefs by cliking on the Donation Button.
Hence, my solutions is:
a/ Moderators should do some more. If this forum is lack of janitors, I'm volunteer to be one.
b/ Ppl please limit your abusive languages and try to play nice to each others.
Regards.
I was going to post a similiar topic. It is sad that the XDA we loved is not going to be here anymore..at least not with the same variety we had before. I do not have the time to read 4 message boards just to find the best ROM.
I hope LVSW and CUSTEL and XDALive (if it ever comes back to life) remain here on XDA since they are the best ROMs anyway. We need the Pofs' Olipro's, Tadzio etc......hope we dont loose anyone else.
Nghiem said:
Sorry to dissagree some of yours opininions. I read the wiki, search the entire forum but nothing comming up
1/ Everyone here used to be a noob once.
2/ The open forum is always better than restricted forum, because the more ideals the better modifiers. Sometimes, it's quite annoyed; but, hey, life is not perfect. Also, there are too many people flame noobs by using abusive vocabularies. Why don't ppl just point out the directions, or simple keep their silent and let the moderators do their jobs?
3/ Those ppl whose posts just to say "tks, I'm downloading now", "wow, that's great" ... into thread of new ROM should be banned for at least 3 days. I saw many senior members do this also!!! Ppl can always show their appreciate to chefs by cliking on the Donation Button.
Hence, my solutions is:
a/ Moderators should do some more. If this forum is lack of janitors, I'm volunteer to be one.
b/ Ppl please limit your abusive languages and try to play nice to each others.
Regards.
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1. Noobs still need to read and search. We often see noob threads that end when a link to a previous thread points in the right direction. Do you really think we just had that link saved in a Favorite...NO...someone searched for it.
2. I agree the open forums are great. But if you dont like foul langauge too bad! I dont use it often or ever that I can recall, but Grow up, it is not like you never heard a bad word before...did feelings get hurt...too bad man up.
3. I agree 100%
Well it is sad what things have come down to, but we still have some awesome chefs here and experts that blow my mind away. Lets not lose love for them. I too am frustrated and irritated with all these noob posts that flood entire forum. And the hermes forum has a horrible rep now. I for one wanna be a help to this forum. Im on this forum for about 7 hours a day. And i would love to volunteer to take care of this forum. Just anything to do my part in helping all the mods here.
I am frustrated with the word "noob"... its as bad as "sku" was during the release of all of the gaming consoles. I've been lurking here for a while. I've used the search function and i think it completely sucks. I did a search for "video dialer" earlier and the first result was the black 3.0.1 thread... all 103 or so pages of it. That was typical for the next 20 results. You can't hate on every person that creates a seemingly useless thread. If you want to help reduce the thread counts, then improve the search results. There's no reason not to help a new person... if this was the same logic that went with creating ROMS, think how crappy they would be. If a chef yelled "GOOGLE!" everytime they were looking for a quicker/better/faster way of doing something with their soon-to-be-released ROM, we'd never get any new ROMS. I guess my point is this, i know it sucks to have 40 new threads each day when i visit this site. But, i dont go jumping on the people that posted them, rather i think the responsiblity lies more on the shoulders of the moderators (no offense guys/girls, but I've done a lot of posting to various forums, even moderated one or two in my day, and that's just where i stand)... If you want to help eliminate useless posts, clean up the wiki and implement a better search feature. (and yes, using google to search within this domain helps... but not all new people know that).
sorry for the rant.
Like some of the other posters here, I would gladly offer moderation services to this forum. I agree that good moderation is the key to keeping XDA-DEVELOPERS vital and flourishing. Would be happy to help encourage the good and thwart the bad.
The F Word
forum (n.) a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
forum (n.) a public facility to meet for open discussion
forum (n.) a place of assembly for the people in ancient Greece
Bottom line, get over it!!
Noob, Expert, Chef, Senior, whatever.... It's a place for everyone to discuss everything and anything about a related topic. That's how we get along in this crazy world by helping others, sharing knowledge, and communicating...
If you want an experts only club then go create one and make it a specialised chat room with a private login.
*rant over*
allready got 3 actually
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allready got 3 actually
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Lol... Shows how much the mods care about this topic.
almost kinda like the topic says, black & white..
The whole issue here is a little more complex and not really a black and white issue.. This isnt the first time chefs have the left the boards for other things, and we always pick up new chefs.. and alot of the old school chefs are still here and plan to stay, the same chefs that helped create the roms you guys so highly speak of. One of them will be releasing his own rom soon. And there might be a chef leaving this board to avoid being banned due to abusive behavior..
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The whole issue here is a little more complex and not really a black and white issue.. This isnt the first time chefs have the left the boards for other things, and we always pick up new chefs.. and alot of the old school chefs are still here and plan to stay, the same chefs that helped create the roms you guys so highly speak of. One of them will be releasing his own rom soon. And there might be a chef leaving this board to avoid being banned due to abusive behavior..
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Off topic, but I gotta say it ... I get a chuckle every time I see that damn monkey with a gun.
weinson said:
Off topic, but I gotta say it ... I get a chuckle every time I see that damn monkey with a gun.
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maybe if i ever cook a rom again it will make a nice splash screen, lol
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maybe if i ever cook a rom again it will make a nice splash screen, lol
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In these trying times he'd make a rather suitable XDA mascot.
shogunmark said:
The whole issue here is a little more complex and not really a black and white issue.. This isnt the first time chefs have the left the boards for other things, and we always pick up new chefs.. and alot of the old school chefs are still here and plan to stay, the same chefs that helped create the roms you guys so highly speak of. One of them will be releasing his own rom soon. And there might be a chef leaving this board to avoid being banned due to abusive behavior..
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Surely you must agree that dropping developers and gaining new ones is a little erratic? It just ads to the confusion where people install a ROM from this forum, then have to go else where for maintenance. I think a lot of these problems could have been solved if the developers were given their own sub-forum (based on popularity) and they were made moderators of their forum. That's it. They would then be responsible for the maintenance and the progressive state of their section. Right now the closest thing we have is a thread, which ends up in a few hundred replies, majority of which is total crap.
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Surely you must agree that dropping developers and gaining new ones is a little erratic? It just ads to the confusion where people install a ROM from this forum, then have to go else where for maintenance. I think a lot of these problems could have been solved if the developers were given their own sub-forum (based on popularity) and they were made moderators of their forum. That's it. They would then be responsible for the maintenance and the progressive state of their section. Right now the closest thing we have is a thread, which ends up in a few hundred replies, majority of which is total crap.
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MrSmith - I think that is an excellent suggestion/observation - fwiw
It's like a cancer. One person is rude and cruel so it rubs off until it's so unhealthy everyone lashes out at everyone. I could care less how many "noobs" ask questions. Answer it if you like or else ignore it. You people need some serious help!
Waiting to get banned and flamed!?!
because all these stupid n00bs came from hofo thinking that this was a download WM6 only place and not a R&D type forum... the whole point of xda DEVELOPERS is to program code and other wise develope things for our PDA not to come here and ask "how come my symbols are all messed up after i flashed this rom" or how "come my hermes has a tri-colored screen and thats it" So we get to the point of hating every stupid question that it asked because its asked 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 times over and over since no one can use google or the search button/....
Somebody please delete this thread. It is useless and annoying.
its really not a worthless topic...but perhaps it is here.
bottom line is there really is NO excuse ever to be an a-hole.
I could give you 5 sure fire ways to deal with the 'problem' straight-up.....
from the moderators standpoint...and inner-forum standpoint besides the childish ways it was dealt with by chefs and associates....
although its gotten better.
Check this forum in a bit
and I'll show you how to instill forum control.
and ''a-holes'' (authors quote!)....don't say, 'duh...we shouldn't have to do that'
if someone feels so strongly to call new members 's '****in noob...search the f......' thread''...then you have the strength to implement these measures.
it'l be up in an hour or so..got to get home
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because all these stupid n00bs came from hofo thinking that this was a download WM6 only place and not a R&D type forum... the whole point of xda DEVELOPERS is to program code and other wise develope things for our PDA not to come here and ask "how come my symbols are all messed up after i flashed this rom" or how "come my hermes has a tri-colored screen and thats it" So we get to the point of hating every stupid question that it asked because its asked 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 times over and over since no one can use google or the search button/....
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That pretty much says it all.....
A-hole???
If you're referring to austinsync or myself as being assholes, shame on you!
Speaking for myself, since 2005, I've had 856 posts, the majority of them helpful. (actually have a sticky, thank you very much)
I'm not known to curse a person but I will attempt to lead them to their destination.
People here have taught me how to fish and I try to share that knowledge.
If you insist on us giving you the fish because you're too lazy so be it... but don't call me an asshole.
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If you're referring to austinsync or myself as being assholes, shame on you!
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Ya....I never said any specific names, in fact I'm not sure where you got that idea, unless you are just feeling guilty. My remark was just a general feel for what seems like the whole Hermes forum.
me?
i'm quoting the word from the title post....don't know who he's referring to.
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If you're referring to austinsync or myself as being assholes, shame on you!
Speaking for myself, since 2005, I've had 856 posts, the majority of them helpful. (actually have a sticky, thank you very much)
I'm not known to curse a person but I will attempt to lead them to their destination.
People here have taught me how to fish and I try to share that knowledge.
If you insist on us giving you the fish because you're too lazy so be it... but don't call me an asshole.
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there are alot of members here that treat noobs unfairly sometimes, this site is a little hard to navigate and some people like myself get a new device and are like ok what can i do to it right this second, dont take the time mess it up and so on and so forth. imo some people think a little to highly of themselves and think they have the right to say what should be posted. now there are alot of great people here but there are some that are not so great. this is a developers site not a noob site and i think the best way to prevent this is to redirect noobs to other forums like http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/103
but they are more device specific so dr puttingham or other great members of this site dont sweet it if someone states that there are some aholes on this site because its not toward yourselves. but i dont think this is the place to post this and dont think someone with a post score of less than 50 should address an issue of this nature. i have been a member for awhile and dont post alot as of yet because i am still a noob and i think to many people start threads that shouldnt be started. if you have a question read the wiki and navigate the threads using google dont start new threads unless your absolutly positive it hasnt been answered. read read read hours and hours read the wiki dont start new threads with noob questions this is not a noob site this is not a download site this is a developer site and we should be greatfull that they dont descriminate new comers. well thats my 2 cents
I think the issue is many people are used to getting things their way right away and don't want to take the time to do some searches and read a few threads before asking stupid ass questions.
I'm a newbie and sometimes I think people here act like they have their ass hairs plucked every morning before they get up. Other times I see people asking questions that are pretty stupid and easily answered. So it goes both ways.
Some here are overly anti-noob and some noobs are overly stupid.
No different
Honestly, this forum or the behavior you are talking about is nothing new or different than many of the other forums I have been part of. When the community supports itself there is a tendancy to appreciate those who help themselves and contribute to the betterment of the comunity overall. Those that detract from the community either by their actions or attitudes are unappreciated. How people show this appreciation or lack of is a matter of personal style. If some people are harsher than others it is just the way it is. If you plan on getting free support for a free product that you can't otherwise produce for yourself there is a certain expectation of self reliance. If you are offended by someone telling you to go read the F*ing wiki you need to probably grow an extra layer of skin or two.
If people who don't have the answers demonstrated and communicated what steps they have taken to find the answer on their own and actually used the google or advanced search features people would probably respond differently.
One big help on the advanced search page is to change the search from threads to posts. It really helps narrow down the exact area in the threads your search terms are and you can go back a few posts rather than try to wade your way through 55+ pages of posts.
I am a self professed "noob". But that said I have, without asking a single question on the forums, flashed several blacks, several custel, and vp3Gs LVSW ROMs, upgraded my radio, downgraded to unlock, upgraded to 1.41 and just this evening dropped it back down to 1.40 (which actually did wonders for my phone).
It is a little difficult to find all the information you need. It isn't spoon fed. But it isn't all that hard either. Between the guides my MrVanx, the wiki and the various search tools provided you should be able to peice together anything.
If everyone follows this methodology the problem would probably take care of itself with minimal effort from the moderators and you would see a lot more decorum in the forums. Until then all threads like this do are spark useless debate that has nothing to do with the hermes and clog up an already bloated forum.
Just my 2 cents. I appreciate all of the members of this community - even the A Holes.
thank you for listening.
Caturix
Did I mention I like beer?
A few day back there was a A - Hole noob here who wanted wm6 for Sony Ericsson M600. It was his first post !!!
You have to behave like an A Hole with A Hole types.
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It's like a cancer. One person is rude and cruel so it rubs off until it's so unhealthy everyone lashes out at everyone. I could care less how many "noobs" ask questions. Answer it if you like or else ignore it. You people need some serious help!
Waiting to get banned and flamed!?!
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Everyone here is not an a-hole as you so liberally claim.
Why complicate simple matters? You signed up voluntarily and you can leave anytime if you don't like it here.
Don't go around calling "everyone" an a-hole just because you feel like it. Geez.
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It is a little difficult to find all the information you need. It isn't spoon fed. But it isn't all that hard either. Between the guides my MrVanx, the wiki and the various search tools provided you should be able to peice together anything.
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SPOT ON analysis. This is precisely what a developer does... piece things together... work away at it... figure it out. And that's why they tend to get hot under the collar when others expect to be spoon fed. This this may come across a being an 'a-hole' to some when in fact they're just demanding a little appreciation for what they do.
If everyone follows this methodology the problem would probably take care of itself with minimal effort from the moderators and you would see a lot more decorum in the forums. Until then all threads like this do are spark useless debate that has nothing to do with the hermes and clog up an already bloated forum.
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Again, excellent.
TooSharp said:
It's like a cancer. One person is rude and cruel so it rubs off until it's so unhealthy everyone lashes out at everyone. I could care less how many "noobs" ask questions. Answer it if you like or else ignore it. You people need some serious help!
Waiting to get banned and flamed!?!
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well let me step up to the plate and be the A-hole here..
First if you bothered to search you will find that this topic has been talked about many times.. There is even a decent topic under the "About XDA-Developers" sub-fora... This doesnt exactly belong in a WM6 forum.. Posting this only adds to the problem.. instead of complaining about the problem, you need to ask yourself "what have i done to improve the situation?"
Alot of people blame poor moderation, but come on people, most of us are grown up's.. Do you really need babysitters? Why not take a proactive approach to help the situation instead of complaining and make it worse.
So, lets all play nice and make this a happier place..
I have frequented this site over the past few weeks or so and am outright disturbed by the disrespect some "NEW" members are getting. I haven't actually encountered this personally, but as I have read numerous post, I see things that make me want to turn around and split! Senior members calling names and being VERY rude to existing and newer members. Is this really tolerated here? I really hope not because I like the site for the most part. I just refuse to be part of a forum that lets rudeness and disrespect go unattended.
I don't mean to be a bother, but the forum I moderate at would NEVER let this happen. We BAN members for disrespecting one another. I thought that's what I would encounter here as well.
I am not really looking for a response here, just wanted to let someone who cares know what I experienced over the past few weeks here as a new member. Thank you to whomever takes the time and interest to read this.
-Tommy
NOTE TO ALL: DO NOT POST REPLIES TO THIS THREAD! IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ALREADY. THANKS -Tommy
Thank you for the quick reply. I'm glad to see you guys are aware of this and working to cut down on the rudeness. I myself have told "newer" members to search instead of posting new threads that look like new mods as well. I do like the site though, and will continue to frequent it. I am SOLD on htc's, as I have recently chased a TD2 and love it. I will also be able to contribute new mods as soon as I can get used to the platform.
Thanks again,
-Tommy
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Senior members calling names and being VERY rude to existing and newer members.
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Tommy, I'm someone who felt, 2 years ago, exactly what you describe here. It was always justified as senior members getting tired of volunteering their time to help people -- only to have some new members bypass reading any "sticky threads" or any admonitions to "please read before posting a new thread" (in which tips are provided for how to get answers to frequently asked questions) -- and seemingly never bothering to search at all.
Over the past 2 years I have observed 2 things, trend-wise: (1) Once I gained some decent baseline proficiency in understanding how the basics work re upgrading my phone with new & improved software, I then started to see, as though appearing for the first time (but they were always present) the TONS of repeated questions and downright disrespect some new members had for even following the most basic of protocols -- like -- "please post that at the forum dedicated to your phone model; you can find it here..." generating responses like
"I don't have time for that. I just need to know what HardSPL means and where I can find the latest ROM for my T-Mobile Wing"
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Personally I attribute a HUGE amount of this to the less-than-optimal information design of this site, which sends people back and forth from here to there to a wiki, then searching for acronyms and definitions, then to a sticky thread (MANY OF WHICH ARE NOW OUTDATED AND HAVE BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR), then back to a hacking section, being shouted at that "this isn't for asking questions, moron; this is for contributing software hacks", and eventually generating some dog-chasing-tail experiences for new members. One of the people working his damned hardest to help minimize this is nir36 (SHOUTOUT!) with his excellent GUIDES, and with his patience within the "Questions and Answers" section.
But -- (2) Here's what I have also seen: A huge disruption of culture here at XDA, prompted, I believe, by the mainstreaming of touchscreen phones with the introduction of Apple's iPhone. Two- to three- to four years ago, the people who frequented this site were predominantly hackers who banded together to solve many of the deficiencies of WindowsMobile software, and who shared their expertise knowing that other people's expertise would benefit them and solve annoying problems, or push a certain envelope. There was, as a result, a culture of CONTRIBUTION, vs one of "gimme gimme gimme, I don't have time, just gimme".
I've seen many an essay posted here by veteran members of XDA expressing a real frustration for some of the behaviors caused by the new influx of people seeing tricks and hacks now posted on YouTube, and then discovering XDA, and coming here to "find that and get it onto my device".
This has created a culture clash which is totally understandable from both sides of of the issue. There's more and more abuse of basic rules & process, where, as I said, more people seek to bypass all that rigamaroll and just post wherever it seems to fit, and seek a specific answer about how to get XXX on my device. There are MANY MANY senior members, even veteran senior members who've been here 4-5 years, who still use a soft touch in asking people to "read this FAQ please" or "please post that in THIS forum". But at the same time, when the response to gentle nudges like that is along the lines of "I don't have time for that, I'm in a hurry, and I just need to get this installed", then patience grows thin.
And so yes, of course, you'll see people snapping at one another. But it's born of frustration for the lack of respect of the culture of XDA -- where it had always been part of the quest to have new people work a little at finding answers, not to punish them, but rather to help them connect the dots and see the solutions available to them, and how they often build atop prior work.
Anyway these are my thoughts. I speak only as a member, not as any representative of the site or group of Mods.
I have been looking around quite a bit lately(here @ XDA), and have better feelings about it. There are a lot more helpful and kind people here, then there are rude ones. I guess I was running into a lot of newer members that were being disrespectful to the seniors. I understand the frustrations of members not being appreciative as I see it often where I mod. It does get frustrating when people don't say "please" and "thank you" , but some people must have forgotten what their families have taught them. MANNERS...
I will continue to be around the site.
You ALL do great work here, and I appreciate the time and effort involved.
I rarely ask for help, but I wanted to know it was welcome, just in case.
We are all here for the same thing, and I am very glad to have found XDA to fuel my need.
The site has a great REP, and that means a lot to me.
It was also the reason for concern in the first place.
Thanks again guys,
-Tommy
Note to MODS or ADMINS: PLEASE CLOSE or DELETE THIS THREAD. I am very happy with the responses I have been given, and am happy to be here. The topic will not be brought up again unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.
At least it's not Howard Forums
Seriously, if you see anything that looks bad, PM a moderator or report the post. We do try to respond.
V
vijay555 said:
At least it's not Howard Forums
Seriously, if you see anything that looks bad, PM a moderator or report the post. We do try to respond.
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You got that right.... Howard forums are very out there.
That's where I discovered modding cell phones for the first time.
If any complaints were ever to arise(doubtful), I would communicate via PM only.
Thanks vijay.
Sounds like somebody called you a noob and you got all flustered and decided to make a thread about it. Hope things get better for you.
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Sounds like somebody called you a noob and you got all flustered and decided to make a thread about it. Hope things get better for you.
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Actually..... I hadn't even started to post in the forum when I wrote this.
It was from responses like YOURS here, except to other members that made me start this thread. And I had no intention of keeping it going. It was for admins and mods to read.
I'm no noob at any of this. I work as a computer technician for the city I live in. And I moderate at MMUS.us for quite a while now. Tkali & Insecure Spike can vouch for all of this. They mod there too... and have worked with me since I have been there.
AND LASTLY...... WHY DID YOU RESPOND TO A POST DOING EXACTLY WHAT I OPENLY STATED TO DISLIKING?? Disrespectful at the least.
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Actually..... I hadn't even started to post in the forum when I wrote this.
It was from responses like YOURS here, except to other members that made me start this thread. And I had no intention of keeping it going. It was for admins and mods to read.
I'm no noob at any of this. I work as a computer technician for the city I live in. And I moderate at MMUS.us for quite a while now. Tkali & Insecure Spike can vouch for all of this. They mod there too... and have worked with me since I have been there.
AND LASTLY...... WHY DID YOU RESPOND TO A POST DOING EXACTLY WHAT I OPENLY STATED TO DISLIKING?? Disrespectful at the least.
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Well an assumption is an assumption. There is nothing you can do about it if a skeptic has little information to analyze.
To explain the frustrations of the "meanies" here are two situations I come up with:
Situation 1
The problem is that XDA is very likely to be the most visited forum as a technical support forum but stupid idiots are just too stupid to fix their problem when the answer is right there.
Example
For example, I have seen plenty on the Xperia forums in which some dude asks for panels when it is available as a sticky called "panels library" and the links worked at the moment, and yet the he requests for an existing panel.
Situation 2
Someone asks for a Windows Live Messenger download, and he/she says that he "looked everywhere, up and down" ... I tell him that it's easy to find and he isn't really looking ... he defense himself saying that he really did look ... we say o rly?
Example
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517909
By the way, I declare this a skeleton war, since both of you are likely to argue and you both have skull faces
I would say, empathise, its not about senior members but about those people who stay a lot on this forum & loves this place too much that they get annoyed when they find someone littering around or violating the rules.
But being a senior member or more so a lover of XDA I would not allow myself to offend anyone's feelings or his/her dignity.
Enjoy & report mods in case you feel something is too offending & the suggestion is going out of context. Cheers
Saksham Katyal
I am a 28 year old male with not much to worry about.
Arguing on a Smart_phone/PPC forum is a little too juvenile for myself.
I was merely reading some threads, saw some rudeness.... read some more.... saw some more.
Then asked if the admins were aware.
I didn't expect it to cause such a stir. WOW!
Most people here have seemed rather decent since I posted this, and I expected nothing from XDA, but a place to learn new things.
I'm not really that concerned about it, just wanted to let the admins know my initial experience.
I was never directly disrespected.... The fact is, I haven't asked for help here at all.
I actually answered a few questions and really nothing more.
So, is there really a need to continue this discussion??
Not for me.... but you guys feel free to continue.
But if a skeleton war is in order...... I have some tattooed on me and am infatuated with them, so I WIN...hahaha
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I would say, empathise, its not about senior members but about those people who stay a lot on this forum & loves this place too much that they get annoyed when they find someone littering around or violating the rules.
But being a senior member or more so a lover of XDA I would not allow myself to offend anyone's feelings or his/her dignity.
Enjoy & report mods in case you feel something is too offending & the suggestion is going out of context. Cheers
Saksham Katyal
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Very mature words.... This is what I expect from a forum.
Is that your little girl there..... I read about the tragedy.
Broke my heart into a million pieces!!!
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Very mature words.... This is what I expect from a forum.
Is that your little girl there..... I read about the tragedy.
Broke my heart into a million pieces!!!
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No its not mine but it was our's.
Even we are stunned with what happened to her in this little age.
get more about her here.
http://www.supportalessandra.com/
I wish you have a nice time over here. Dont worry xda is community inhabited more by mature people fortunately. Or else mods would be always there.
Regards
Saksham Katyal
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I am a 28 year old male with not much to worry about.
Arguing on a Smart_phone/PPC forum is a little too juvenile for myself.
I was merely reading some threads, saw some rudeness.... read some more.... saw some more.
Then asked if the admins were aware.
I didn't expect it to cause such a stir. WOW!
Most people here have seemed rather decent since I posted this, and I expected nothing from XDA, but a place to learn new things.
I'm not really that concerned about it, just wanted to let the admins know my initial experience.
I was never directly disrespected.... The fact is, I haven't asked for help here at all.
I actually answered a few questions and really nothing more.
So, is there really a need to continue this discussion??
Not for me.... but you guys feel free to continue.
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Lol... I love this thread. You got upset because you saw some guys tell some noobs to search for stuff instead of starting a new thread, so you get all flustered, start a thread about it and then you get all defensive when somebody responds to your post.
OMG I can't believe it caused SUCH A STIR... oh wow.
28 year old male with not much to worry about... lol... this is classic stuff.
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Lol... I love this thread. You got upset because you saw some guys tell some noobs to search for stuff instead of starting a new thread, so you get all flustered, start a thread about it and then you get all defensive when somebody responds to your post.
OMG I can't believe it caused SUCH A STIR... oh wow.
28 year old male with not much to worry about... lol... this is classic stuff.
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What are you from ebaumsworld? Ya know, I am offended by what you just said, and I'm 19. Does age really matter?
There is always a chance that a question/thread is plausible and that he actually tried to search. And beside, sometimes I get lazy about searching and I just ask the question too. Well actually I ask the question first, and search immediately after because I want to gather all the result as soon as possible.
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Ya know, I am offended by what you just said, and I'm 19. Does age really matter?
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Dunno... I'm 32 and I was quoting it.
Yeash, this is turning into that thread about religion.
Guys, please.
Noobs: sometimes, seniors get tired of answering the same old questions that can be easily found by a quick google.
Seniors: sometimes noobs are coming from a world of Nokias and iphones. You live in a world where people make ROMs for fun. Seriously.
The lot of you: you live in a world where you rub shoulders with Doctor Manhattan style giants, and don't even know it. Some of the guys on this site will astound you with their knowledge of the intricacies of the minutiae of the encryption systems used in the CE rom structure. They could blow you all away.
Experience is a sliding scale, and even George Lucas knows that "there's always a bigger fish".
Everyone should be polite, you were all noobs once.
V
PS be polite, serious, cus I'll start getting medieval soon.
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What are you from ebaumsworld? Ya know, I am offended by what you just said, and I'm 19. Does age really matter?
There is always a chance that a question/thread is plausible and that he actually tried to search. And beside, sometimes I get lazy about searching and I just ask the question too. Well actually I ask the question first, and search immediately after because I want to gather all the result as soon as possible.
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Nope, age never has anything to do with it as is evident by Drybonz reply...and like he/she said, he/she is 32. Even at the age of 32 he/she still enjoys coming on to a forum and slamming someone for simply stating something the is bothersome to them, then gets a bigger kick when he/she sees that the reply got under their skin. Sad part is he/she will probably see my reply and some how get joy from it too.
Basically you have 1 of 2 choices on internet forums;
1. Let people bother you and lose sight of why you got on to a forum in the first place just to end up not coming back and missing out because of it.
2. Let it go and realize life is too short to care about people with more guts behind a screen/keyboard and what they have to say. You see a post that bothers you? Skip it and go to the next, simple as that.
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Nope, age never has anything to do with it as is evident by Drybonz reply...and like he/she said, he/she is 32. Even at the age of 32 he/she still enjoys coming on to a forum and slamming someone for simply stating something the is bothersome to them, then gets a bigger kick when he/she sees that the reply got under their skin. Sad part is he/she will probably see my reply and some how get joy from it too.
Basically you have 1 of 2 choices on internet forums;
1. Let people bother you and lose sight of why you got on to a forum in the first place just to end up not coming back and missing out because of it.
2. Let it go and realize life is too short to care about people with more guts behind a screen/keyboard and what they have to say. You see a post that bothers you? Skip it and go to the next, simple as that.
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kudos to you sir
I agree with Wagonis: just ignore any remarks by others that you dislike for any reason.
To Tomtommy: I agree with you that everyone ought to be polite, it is an excellent thing to strive for yourself. But if you let impolite remarks bother you, you just make things worse than they need be. If you ignore them, they will bother you far less. Indignation is a dangerous emotion, because it tends to swell with time. Just let people bicker; when they are really offended, they will make it known. Most people can take a bit of bullying.
[What I am going to say now borders on the insolent, so that I must apologize beforehand, but: I think those who are most insecure about themselves are the ones most easily offended. Those who are confident just think: "oh, an impolite remark" without experiencing much emotional impact. Sometimes, others are judged "offended" even when they themselves do not care.
Another option is that there are just differences in culture: in some groups, rude remarks are considered a form of innocent teasing.]
Just a message to say, that at one POINT we all were noobs at one time, what’s the since of these forums if you can’t find help here? Hell, some of the noobs (including me) may have went thru something that the old timers haven’t been thru, so I see it as any problem is good info to someone. I went thru this power struggle back in the BBS days…arg, I helped crack games and progs, ie INC and Razor911, and so on, and there were a bunch of hot heads with attitudes. I for one cherish the forums for info. But I continuously see people slam others for their lack of knowledge. Others need to realize that a problem to someone is a fix to another. MY OPINION ONLY! Should be a thread for one thing only, IF YOU BRICKED YOUR PHONE, post it here, with what and how, that will answer most of these questions, so the more experienced users can either shine or move along.
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Just a message to say, that at one POINT we all were noobs at one time, what’s the since of these forums if you can’t find help here? Hell, some of the noobs (including me) may have went thru something that the old timers haven’t been thru, so I see it as any problem is good info to someone. I went thru this power struggle back in the BBS days…arg, I helped crack games and progs, ie INC and Razor911, and so on, and there were a bunch of hot heads with attitudes. I for one cherish the forums for info. But I continuously see people slam others for their lack of knowledge. Others need to realize that a problem to someone is a fix to another. MY OPINION ONLY! Should be a thread for one thing only, IF YOU BRICKED YOUR PHONE, post it here, with what and how, that will answer most of these questions, so the more experienced users can either shine or move along.
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Im the same way. I always will try to answer a question if i have a clue about it. I have gotten slammed before too just for asking questions but oh well. Every one is different, we aren't all the same.
Its a double side sword man I wouldn't flame someone but unfortunately some other people refuse to help themselves. They want answers spoon fed to them I try to search as much as I can before posting a problem and if there is a thread related to it I ask there first as well. Then you also have people posting in dev sections for request and questions because they will get more people to view their threads.
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Its a double side sword man I wouldn't flame someone but unfortunately some other people refuse to help themselves. They want answers spoon fed to them I try to search as much as I can before posting a problem and if there is a thread related to it I ask there first as well. Then you also have people posting in dev sections for request and questions because they will get more people to view their threads.
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Half the people who get flamed dont read threads dont read how to flash or root phones properly then when they screw up they want their hand held and someone to coddle them and say its ok, waste of time tbh
Crisis - FYI if you are the second person to post in a forum thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post.
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Crisis - FYI if you are the second person to post in a forum thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post.
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Got em again coach! Lol
This has and will always be a picky subject. Can't win em all but if you know the knowledge just lead them the right way.
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Got em again coach! Lol
This has and will always be a picky subject. Can't win em all but if you know the knowledge just lead them the right way.
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All the knowledge is already here, people just want others to find it for them and that's when the dookie hits the fan. Most users lurked and learned before even making accounts or pointless threads. I have been here since Cyanogen put out his 1st mod for the G1 and didn't make an account til a year after I had learned how to follow directions and search for answers.
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Its a double side sword man I wouldn't flame someone but unfortunately some other people refuse to help themselves. They want answers spoon fed to them I try to search as much as I can before posting a problem and if there is a thread related to it I ask there first as well. Then you also have people posting in dev sections for request and questions because they will get more people to view their threads.
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I agree, but you can tell the non-readers, like you said posting in the wrong forum would be one of them, but I saw a guy get ripped for asking a simple question about what mods work with what...just rubbed me the wrong way.
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All the knowledge is already here, people just want others to find it for them and that's when the dookie hits the fan. Most users lurked and learned before even making accounts or pointless threads. I have been here since Cyanogen put out his 1st mod for the G1 and didn't make an account til a year after I had learned how to follow directions and search for answers.
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Agreed. I did not want to start a war, but the reply the guy got was a bunch of shi*** and were long posts about not the problem, but how he was a noob. If the person wants to rag another, don't write a 100 word post on the issue of noob, or don't post at all.
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All the knowledge is already here, people just want others to find it for them and that's when the dookie hits the fan. Most users lurked and learned before even making accounts or pointless threads. I have been here since Cyanogen put out his 1st mod for the G1 and didn't make an account til a year after I had learned how to follow directions and search for answers.
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A great example of this is the G2x forums... The noobish questions are one after another. Same dam questing anx that's why people get irritated.
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For me personally I don't mind the flaming for the people that do stupid crap lol. Then again I also come from clubrsx which is a car forum with much more grown up people. Usually stupid questions there and noobs who do stupid things are met with incredibly funny and harsh flaming lol . On a more serious note we will always have flaming and always have silly threads because we just will noobs will never read or try to be self sufficient no matter how big the bold letters might be telling them to. I do commend the people that search first and do try to find there own answers before asking for help I've had some users pm me asking for help with stuff I totally don't mind helping someone out but I'm use to everyone I know asking me to help root and mod their phones.
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On a more serious note we will always have flaming and always have silly threads because we just will noobs will never read or try to be self sufficient no matter how big the bold letters might be telling them to. I do commend the people that search first and do try to find there own answers before asking for help I've had some users pm me asking for help with stuff I totally don't mind helping someone out but I'm use to everyone I know asking me to help root and mod their phones.
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well if I see that they have 1 or so post, I see them at first legit questions, then, see them again post somewhere else asking stupid questions again, that would be considered to be those lazy as*** that you guys are referring to, humm, you guys have been here a long time, and seen alot, so I will keep the crap to myself. Sorry guys for bringing it up.