Maybe it is a stupid question.
I try it anyway: on WM2003, it was possible to decide, how much memory should be allocated to storage and how much to programs.
This feature has disappeared on WM5 on my JASJAR.
Or am I just too stupid to find it ?
Or is there a registry tweak to do it ?
Cheers and thx in advance for a reply
hrb
Hi
there's no such thing as program/storage in WM5
WM5 wisely uses device's both ROM and RAM to get you fast responsivness and prevent data loss on hard-reset.
It's recommended however to install any programs on SD card. That guarantees your data is safe all the time.
The feature is called persistent-storage.
robal said:
WM5 wisely uses device's both ROM and RAM to get you fast responsivness and prevent data loss on hard-reset.
The feature is called persistent-storage.
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But I lost all contacts and calendar data when hardreset my Jasjar. I think the thing called persistent storage is only useful in case battery off.
I understand that, but:
When I go to Start>Settings>Memory, it shows:
- 31.71 MB Storage
- 20.45 MB Programs
Thats what I mean in my first post above.
This ratio could be changed in WM2K3s (set Programs to maximum and Storage to about 7 MB)
It's not possible with WM5 ?
I have all my Programs on Storage Card.
Cheers
hrb
hi,
it is commonly known that wm5 compaction problems in hx4700
are due to very slow ROM type which use NOR gates instead NAND.
does anyone here tried to find another ROM chip which could
suit hx4700 and be NAND type?
could it be possible or due to hardware architecture or any software
reason it is hopeless?
ok, i've found this: link
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Okay, so let's talk about NAND and NOR. These are the two main types of ROM. They're largely used the same way, and everything I've said about ROM is true of both of them. So, for the most part, you don't need to care which kind you've got. But I'll tell you about them anyway.
NOR: Faster to read, slower to write.
NAND: Slower to read, faster to write.
This is all relative. Both are considerably slower than RAM. There's one very important difference in these technologies. NOR lets you do something we call "execute in place" (XIP). Remember what I said before. To run a program, you first load it into RAM, and then you run it from there. NOR lets you run the program directly from the ROM without loading it into RAM first. This means that you can have a system with less RAM. Note that this only works for programs. You can't XIP a picture or an audio file. NAND typically compensates for not being able to XIP with price. (NAND tends to be cheaper.)
Because NAND is faster to write, and NOR is faster to read. The ideal system would have 64M of NOR and 64M of NAND. It would store all the programs in NOR and store all the user data in NAND. Since it would XIP all of the programs, it wouldn't need 64M of RAM and would drop back down to 32M, thus saving power. XIPing also means faster application load times, since you don't have to load the program into RAM before running it. A device like that would rock.
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and as i remember XIP has sth to do with cooking. does it means that change of ROM from NOR to NAND would require to patch XIP or do
some engineering on bootloader/kernel/whatever?
regards
piotr
dzebrys said:
(...) does anyone here tried to find another ROM chip which could
suit hx4700 and be NAND type? (...)
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Peter, do you have a bug in my house? Today I told my wife if someone to think up a chip you talk about then it will be bought by thousands of hx4700's users
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The explanation is in the answer of Mike Calligaro (Microsoft's guy):
"As for having a single image for both the x50v and the x51v. If one has NAND and the other NOR, that won't work. The filesystem drivers need to be different for NAND and NOR devices, so an image for one won't work on the other."
So we can forget it. Unless someone will write a proper drivers which would be miracle equal
regards
piotr
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Regards,
Piotr
Ps. Are you another Peter or it is me, Mr. Hide? - Hehehe.
what about disconchip
Umpal said:
The explanation is in the answer of Mike Calligaro (Microsoft's guy):
"As for having a single image for both the x50v and the x51v. If one has NAND and the other NOR, that won't work. The filesystem drivers need to be different for NAND and NOR devices, so an image for one won't work on the other."
So we can forget it. Unless someone will write a proper drivers which would be miracle equal
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further in comments there is also sth like:
"Most of WM5 smartphones now use diskonchip as ROM. However, diskonchip is actually a NAND-based flash memory with NOR-like interface."
now i have my board at RAM upgrade. the donor is mb from qtec 9090.
as i remember there is diskonchip ROM. at hx4700 there is 198MB of ROM
and it is formed by 2 intel's chips. maybe it's worth of digging...
/piotr
The real killer for NOR flash devices is the erase time - the relative read and write times are not really significant.
According the Mike Calligaro blogs neither the hx4700 or the X50V was doing XIP in WM5 as this requires Intel Storage Manager which he claimed was not present.
His analysis was the block size was larger than the MS recommendation. The erase time is crucial as flash has no rewrite function so if a block is changed it is written to a new block and the old block marked for erasure. The erase operation prevents access to the memory for the time of the erase.
The smaller block size means that the filesys thread needs to run (especially "emergency" runs when spare blocks get critically short).
In his analysis he never said that there was any good reason why WM5 devices should not use NOR flash.
And everyone tends to assume that filesys does not exist on NAND flash devices - it does but the erase operations are faster.
Hi to all i have buy the HTC Desire from http://www.clove.co.uk and my device have only 139 of ram ?
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It's normal, every Desire has around 140mb free for apps. I think Android takes some and Sense takes some, and some is reserved probably for whatever reason. Leaving you with 140mb. Google has announced that it will be possible to install apps on the SD Card in the near future. Don't worry about it.
Everyone has the same amount of memory as yours, The rest of the memory is used by Operating system, If you want to install more apps then go for "root" and install A2SD. you can find loads of topics here and at modaco. Go through the desire sections properly and u will find all the answers to your questions.
it's rom not ram *sigh*
oh thanks for all
i always use this very simple explanation
Let's say you have some land and would like to build a parking on it.
The size of your land is 100 square meters
Each car needs 10 square meters....but in the end you can't park ten cars on the your land , because you have to deducted the white lines etc....this is the same thing with Hard drives etc .......some KBytes are needed for the root system etc.....
crypta said:
it's rom not ram *sigh*
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Wrong, it's RAM.
ToxicWasted said:
Wrong, it's RAM.
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Wrong to all that are saying to install app2sd. OS and applications are installed in the ROM, but launched in the RAM.
ROM = Read Only Memory
RAM = Random Access Memory
All of the application memory in the phone is non-volatile RAM.
Traditionally a ROM can only be written by flashing it offline. This is to say that runtime read/write access is atypical.
Proceeding from this premise, the only real ROM(s) in the phone are the radio and boot images. The rest of the memory holds a normal rw file system.
In theory, all of the "ROM's" here are not really ROM's at all, they're operating systems... much like Windows is an OS, not a ROM.
so I am interested in your suggestion fpr normal forum talk, to sort these things out.
in the technical explanation you are mostly right.
so how you would call the storage and the working memory in one simple term?
crypta said:
so I am interested in your suggestion fpr normal forum talk, to sort these things out.
in the technical explanation you are mostly right.
so how you would call the storage and the working memory in one simple term?
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v-ram (volatile ram = working space)
nv-ram (non-volatile ram = storage space)
- In pure engineering terms this isn't true but the paradigm is to treat memory allocation as volatile.
But then, it does become semantic very quickly. It used to be that the only thing many people ever flashed were roms... this was because traditionally the only type of nv solid state storage that the average person had access to was a rom - never needed to flash ram because it was (mostly) volatile (yes, there are exceptions). The point being that people associated "flashing" with "roms" when "flashing" should really be associated with "solid state memory" (of any description).
So, the correct term is "flashing" yes, but we've incorrectly incorporated/encompassed the term "rom" in the extended definition.
If you flash a boot image you're doing a rom flash
If you flash a radio image you're doing a rom flash
If you "flash" a CyanogenMod "ROM" (for example) you're actually just copying an archive to a file system, expending it and executing it.
And all rather pointless because we all know what everyone means when they say "I flashed my phone"
funny to see this threads next to each other:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675703
and clearly, theres no ROM like in commodore time (c64 / amiga), but it is called so, even in the specs of many devices.
crypta said:
so I am interested in your suggestion fpr normal forum talk, to sort these things out.
in the technical explanation you are mostly right.
so how you would call the storage and the working memory in one simple term?
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HDD hard disk drive - where user files such as images, videos, music are stored
ROM read only memory - where the system lies (normally can not be written to)
RAM random access memory - memory in which applications are launched and remain until ended (for example anti-virus software will stay in the RAM)
Evening all. I’m new to this, so apologies for the rubbish questions. After much reading, I rooted / S-Off’ed, partitioned my SD card and flashed my phone successfully with RCMix S v1.7. Thank you very much to the developer, it is fantastic! I do have a few questions though:
Firstly A2SDGUI that is installed with this rom…. Although it says “Apps are on SD!” I’m sceptical. I have the low space warning showing on my status bar – and only 5mb of free space on internal memory. I’ve partitioned my 4gb sd card into 3 (fat32) and 1 gig (ext4) partitions, and only installed a few new apps.
Secondly, quite a few people have mentioned the “SMS fix” for the 1.7 version, so that I don’t have to upgrade to 1.7.2 to get the fix (100% cpu usage after a sent message) – yet I can’t find it anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thank you in advance.
thermomonkey said:
Evening all. I’m new to this, so apologies for the rubbish questions. After much reading, I rooted / S-Off’ed, partitioned my SD card and flashed my phone successfully with RCMix S v1.7. Thank you very much to the developer, it is fantastic! I do have a few questions though:
Firstly A2SDGUI that is installed with this rom…. Although it says “Apps are on SD!” I’m sceptical. I have the low space warning showing on my status bar – and only 5mb of free space on internal memory. I’ve partitioned my 4gb sd card into 3 (fat32) and 1 gig (ext4) partitions, and only installed a few new apps.
Secondly, quite a few people have mentioned the “SMS fix” for the 1.7 version, so that I don’t have to upgrade to 1.7.2 to get the fix (100% cpu usage after a sent message) – yet I can’t find it anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thank you in advance.
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It's weird, no one has complained about this. Reboot your phone and if your problem persists try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13701592&postcount=3
Thanks for the prompt reply. There was actually 1 other member complaining of this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988570&page=890
"anyone make it work with data2sd, anyone please, i have tried many things, but cant make it work"
I'll try that link and get back to you.
Many thanks, that manual method appears to have worked!
Any idea where to get the SMS fix from?
thermomonkey said:
Many thanks, that manual method appears to have worked!
Any idea where to get the SMS fix from?
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I browsed the thread but I didn't see that fix. There is a mention of one fix for long messages (this one) but I would reflash if I were you. Try flashing by wiping only Dalvik and Cache.
RCmix system updater?
there is an system updater? (OTA or App?)
RCmix is great!!!
Heile1975 said:
there is an system updater? (OTA or App?)
RCmix is great!!!
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As far as I know, no there is not. Download ROMs and follow instructions otherwise you will have some nasty surprises.
Hallo,
I am working with the stable CM9 version and INT2EXT+ on my HTC Wildfire S which you really cannot use without any 'storage expanding' script.
Its storage space is so horrible low. So thank you for this solution very much.
The mentioned constellation is running fine and fast so far - just the opposite to ROM EQDKP (with Data2SD) I had before which was stable but EXTREMLY slow!! (only the akku state makes problems obviously at all CM versions as it does not seem to be correct (lack of refresh)! Unfortunately.)
There is still enough space on my SD card:
* Phone info -> partition info: 724 MB used from 1,08 GB (data folder)
* Apps -> All: 683 MB used, 421 MB free
* Storage -> internal storage: 782 MB Apps, 380 MB free.
Who knows why they are different but anyway they say about the same.
But now I have a GooglePlay download problem when I want to install apps bigger than 12 MB. (before (when I did not have so many apps installed) this never was a problem)
To say it clearly: it is NOT an installation problem but happens already during the app download. It just stops and says that there is not enough internal phone storage left. VERY strange!
I doubt that this has to do s.th. with a cache space, does it? But this would be the space used for downloads, right?
[partition info -> cache: 2,5 MB / 35 MB; pi -> system: 211 MB / 260 MB)
But why should it make problems then? Can this be a problem of the script / INT2EXT ??...
I would be glad to get hints from anybody what the real problem here could be.
Thank you very much!
Falk2 said:
Hallo,
I am working with the stable CM9 version and INT2EXT+ on my HTC Wildfire S which you really cannot use without any 'storage expanding' script.
Its storage space is so horrible low. So thank you for this solution very much.
The mentioned constellation is running fine and fast so far - just the opposite to ROM EQDKP (with Data2SD) I had before which was stable but EXTREMLY slow!! (only the akku state makes problems obviously at all CM versions as it does not seem to be correct (lack of refresh)! Unfortunately.)
There is still enough space on my SD card:
* Phone info -> partition info: 724 MB used from 1,08 GB (data folder)
* Apps -> All: 683 MB used, 421 MB free
* Storage -> internal storage: 782 MB Apps, 380 MB free.
Who knows why they are different but anyway they say about the same.
But now I have a GooglePlay download problem when I want to install apps bigger than 12 MB. (before (when I did not have so many apps installed) this never was a problem)
To say it clearly: it is NOT an installation problem but happens already during the app download. It just stops and says that there is not enough internal phone storage left. VERY strange!
I doubt that this has to do s.th. with a cache space, does it? But this would be the space used for downloads, right?
[partition info -> cache: 2,5 MB / 35 MB; pi -> system: 211 MB / 260 MB)
But why should it make problems then? Can this be a problem of the script / INT2EXT ??...
I would be glad to get hints from anybody what the real problem here could be.
Thank you very much!
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That's because of the script(INT2EXT+), it keeps the data/data in the internal memory. This will give you more speed but if it is filled you won't be able to install or download anything from the Play Store. That's the reason why you are not able to use your EXT partition completely. If you want more space for apps, try INT2EXT4. But you will have to sacrifice some speed if you use it
Hallo csoulr666,
thanks for your helpful feedback!
Aha, but I would have expected an error message only during installation but not during download already which uses just the cache, doesn't it???...
Maybe you refer to the sentence of the INT2EXT script author: "100mb internal is needed for every 500mb sd-ext"!?
Is it this what you mean?...
But I still have much more than 200 MB left (380MB)!!... That should not be the reason then!?...
(and again: he talks about the internal state memory but not about the cache which is reserved ANYWAY, isn't it?...
How can I find out how much data is left in the original internal memory???...
And why are there differences in memory above (284, 421, 380 MB)?...
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But if it once should be for sure that the internal memory is the reason for that I would prefer to change the 1 GB sd-ext partition to 1,5 GB by 'Minitool Partition Wizard'. Should work,shoudln't it?...
Or do you think the difference in speed is not that much!?...
However, Root Explorer tells me for data/data:
used 130,66 MB, free 19,34 MB. (unfortunately cannot see folder sizes!)
Hmmmh... so now I understand nothing anymore!!
Should I at the end add 200 MB + 130,66 MB ?...
Falk2 said:
Hallo csoulr666,
thanks for your helpful feedback!
Aha, but I would have expected an error message only during installation but not during download already which uses just the cache, doesn't it???...
Maybe you refer to the sentence of the INT2EXT script author: "100mb internal is needed for every 500mb sd-ext"!?
Is it this what you mean?...
But I still have much more than 200 MB left (380MB)!!... That should not be the reason then!?...
(and again: he talks about the internal state memory but not about the cache which is reserved ANYWAY, isn't it?...
How can I find out how much data is left in the original internal memory???...
And why are there differences in memory above (284, 421, 380 MB)?...
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But if it once should be for sure that the internal memory is the reason for that I would prefer to change the 1 GB sd-ext partition to 1,5 GB by 'Minitool Partition Wizard'. Should work,shoudln't it?...
Or do you think the difference in speed is not that much!?...
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What the author meant that you need a 100MB of "acutal" internal storage(not EXT partition) to be able to use about 500 MB of the EXT partition. That's actually an estimate value, so you won't be able to get the same figures in all the ROMs. Even before downloading, the Play Store checks for the storage available for all the parts of an application. Maybe that's why it returns errors
Hallo csoulr666,
thank you for your additional explanation. In fact this would explain the phenomena.
I calculate then:
About 100 MB internal memory I need for 100 MB.
As WFS has about 120 MB internal mem. it is about 650 MB at all. Correct?
So this is the limitation ia have then which is too early.
And do you know if I can read out the left or too low memory anyhow.
Means, does any value gives me an information about the left actual internal memory value?
Possibly no?...
So then I am thinking about a change of the memory script.
Did you or anybody else can answer the following questions?:
1.) Do I have more memory left with scripts like Link2SD, INT2EXT or INT2EXT4 ??
2.) Is the speed reduction remarkable here? And if so when exactly?
3.) How can I change over to another script without reinstalling the whole ROM? (no overwriting possible, is it?)
Thank you very much again for your feedback!!
Falk2 said:
Hallo csoulr666,
thank you for your additional explanation. In fact this would explain the phenomena.
I calculate then:
About 100 MB internal memory I need for 100 MB.
As WFS has about 120 MB internal mem. it is about 650 MB at all. Correct?
So this is the limitation ia have then which is too early.
And do you know if I can read out the left or too low memory anyhow.
Means, does any value gives me an information about the left actual internal memory value?
Possibly no?...
So then I am thinking about a change of the memory script.
Did you or anybody else can answer the following questions?:
1.) Do I have more memory left with scripts like Link2SD, INT2EXT or INT2EXT4 ??
2.) Is the speed reduction remarkable here? And if so when exactly?
3.) How can I change over to another script without reinstalling the whole ROM? (no overwriting possible, is it?)
Thank you very much again for your feedback!!
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Actually the usable space depends on the internal memory that is free. So it will vary from different ROMs.
1) You would have more space with INT2EXT, INT2EXT4 but not with Link2SD(unless you buy the PRO version of the app allowing to move everything to the EXT partition)
2) Speed reduction can be significant if you load it up with a lot of Apps. And it might get a little annoying after 2-3 weeks or so
3)Overwriting will not be possible in most cases, since different scripts might mount different things on the 2nd Partition
back again from holiday...
So what would you suggest what I can do?
To 1: How much memory do I win in average with INT2EXT or the others? Can I install e.g. double the number of apps then?...
To 2: Your answer stands for which scripts? All the three? Or only INT2EXT, INT2EXT4 maybe?...
Could you explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? (isn't the fix part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: Changing to another script would mean to flash the whole ROM again?... Or isn't there a way to delete my actual INT2EXT+ before installing e.g. INT2EXT?... Or is there still another way to exchange my script??...
4.) At last I couldn't even start my mobile at all! Although I did not install any new app for months all background provesses (like GooglePlay) cannot be started. Is this maybe because of updates of installed apps?...
Anyway I deinstalled TripAdvisor which needed full 45 MB ( and cannot be moved to SD card at all). But this did not help at all (reboot done)! I still have the same memory problems now and now cannot run my ROM CM9. Why not? Why the deinstallations don't help??...
Falk2 said:
back again from holiday...
So what would you suggest what I can do?
To 1: How much memory do I win in average with INT2EXT or the others? Can I install e.g. double the number of apps then?...
To 2: Your answer stands for which scripts? All the three? Or only INT2EXT, INT2EXT4 maybe?...
Could you explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? (isn't the fix part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: Changing to another script would mean to flash the whole ROM again?... Or isn't there a way to delete my actual INT2EXT+ before installing e.g. INT2EXT?... Or is there still another way to exchange my script??...
4.) At last I couldn't even start my mobile at all! Although I did not install any new app for months all background provesses (like GooglePlay) cannot be started. Is this maybe because of updates of installed apps?...
Anyway I deinstalled TripAdvisor which needed full 45 MB ( and cannot be moved to SD card at all). But this did not help at all (reboot done)! I still have the same memory problems now and now cannot run my ROM CM9. Why not? Why the deinstallations don't help??...
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1. You will definitely be able to install more apps, but the exact number depends on the apps you use.
2. (2) stands for the difference between INT2EXT/INT2EXT4 and INT2EXT+
3. You simply can't change scripts, you will have to make a clean install and then use another script.
4. That happens sometimes, I generally reflash the ROM to get rid of this.
thank you vrey much, csoulr666, for answering !!
Unfortunately there are still answer details left...
To 1: What is it that makes the space bigger? Isn't it just the data part which normally is very low? (s. www.xda-developers.com/android/cronmod-gives-users-options-of-a2sd-d2ext-int2ext) So I suppose that there would be no big win of space with INT2EXT instead of INT2EXT+. What do you say?
1b.) How can I measure/read and estimate the left telephon space which is too small/missing in my case? (you know, all my storage values are okay currently but I have this problem anyway!)
1c.) What happens if I move apps to SD card by Options/Apps although INT2EXT+ is working?... And can this help?
T0 2: Again, could you please explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? I don't understand this. (isn't the data part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: This is very bad news. It would mean much work for me if I really had to reinstall the ROM.
So are you pretty sure? Did you try already? I e.g. could imagine that there might be an extra transfer/exchange script from the author. Or a script exchange is already supported by the scripts. Oe.
See, the INT2EXT would also move the data part. So as this is NOT done yet (INT2EXT+) the new script (INT2EXT) would just have to complete this by moving them also to SD. I would imagine that this should work, shouldn't it?
3b.) Do you know where the script is located?... And shouldn't a new flash just overwrite it (both are very simular anyway!)? (maybe it can be done manually as well??...)
To 4: Isn't that strange? How can that happen? Why do you say 'sometimes'? Own experiences?
What can be the reason for this sometime problem?... How can I double-check that? Or is there maybe any option necessary to say the system to re-read the storage values?... Or... Who else can I ask?
Which phone do you have and which scripts did you try already?
If you cannot answer some questions... Can I reach the writer of the INT2EXT scripts maybe?... (if I may write him under [email protected] ?...)
Hallo csoulr666,
are you still there?
Would be so nice to get a feedback from you.
Or are you helpless now as well?...
Falk2 said:
thank you vrey much, csoulr666, for answering !!
Unfortunately there are still answer details left...
To 1: What is it that makes the space bigger? Isn't it just the data part which normally is very low? (s. www.xda-developers.com/android/cronmod-gives-users-options-of-a2sd-d2ext-int2ext) So I suppose that there would be no big win of space with INT2EXT instead of INT2EXT+. What do you say?
1b.) How can I measure/read and estimate the left telephon space which is too small/missing in my case? (you know, all my storage values are okay currently but I have this problem anyway!)
1c.) What happens if I move apps to SD card by Options/Apps although INT2EXT+ is working?... And can this help?
T0 2: Again, could you please explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? I don't understand this. (isn't the data part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: This is very bad news. It would mean much work for me if I really had to reinstall the ROM.
So are you pretty sure? Did you try already? I e.g. could imagine that there might be an extra transfer/exchange script from the author. Or a script exchange is already supported by the scripts. Oe.
See, the INT2EXT would also move the data part. So as this is NOT done yet (INT2EXT+) the new script (INT2EXT) would just have to complete this by moving them also to SD. I would imagine that this should work, shouldn't it?
3b.) Do you know where the script is located?... And shouldn't a new flash just overwrite it (both are very simular anyway!)? (maybe it can be done manually as well??...)
To 4: Isn't that strange? How can that happen? Why do you say 'sometimes'? Own experiences?
What can be the reason for this sometime problem?... How can I double-check that? Or is there maybe any option necessary to say the system to re-read the storage values?... Or... Who else can I ask?
Which phone do you have and which scripts did you try already?
If you cannot answer some questions... Can I reach the writer of the INT2EXT scripts maybe?... (if I may write him under [email protected] ?...)
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1. What happens is that the internal memory is moved and linked to the 2nd partition you created on the SDcard. The scripts vary on the basis of what parts of the memory(system files, data files) are being transferred and how it is transferred to the EXT partition.
1b. I can't seem to estimate the storage left in any way I tried, so can't help you there.
1c. This COULD help, but I'm not quite sure about that.
2. The SDcard has a slower speed as compared to the Flash memory on your phone. INT2EXT+ tends to rectify this by leaving the app data(/data/data) on the internal memory. So if the app data size reaches close to the actual internal memory, you will get low memory errors.
3. As I mentioned in 1 above, the scripts vary on how the linking is done, so it would only make it worse if you just remove the script and add a new one.
3b. The scripts are located in "/system/etc/init.d". See 3 above for the rest of the answer.
4. I have never been able to find the solution to the problem, too much apps, script causing problems.......... I don't know.
My phones are mentioned in the Signature. I have tried nearly every EXT script(Link2sd, INT2EXT,INT2EXT+, mount2sd etc) with the WFS.
thank you again for your good and detailed explanations and your patience!!
To 1): Okay, thank you anyway. In average it seems as if the limitation ist just about 700 MB for WFS. And if all data files are transferred to the SD card the internal storage will not be filled at all, right? So the space for downloaded apps seems to be limited only by the size of the SD card, right? Remark: Would be perfect if it could be selected during app installation where the data sector of the app should be transferred to. But this does not seem to be possible by a script, is it?...
To 2): Okay, that's what I know - the much slower SD card. I mean how can I estimate if an app which uses data files needs to access them often or not?... Would be good if I could estimate that before I use/choose an app.
To3): Okay, understand. However I did it, overwriting the old script. Booting was possible but there was no change at all.
4.) You wrote that you tried so many scripts... So which is your conclusion? Which INT2EXT script do you use today?...
4b.) And is there any reason why there is no script INT2EXTV2 (without '+')? Cause I would like to use Linux swap and need more than 750 MB memory for my downloaded apps.
Or where can I get this script maybe ?...
Another problem I have...
5.) I tried to install the actual CM11 (cm-11-20141004-NIGHTLY-marvel) with INT2EXT but I cannot boot again after I additionally flashed GAPPS (Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed): endless loading. (I followed the original installation instruction!!)
How can that be? I suppose that the reason is that my storage size for the system part is too low. But the email app is already missing in this ROM... Isn't that strange? Did this happen to you as well already?... What can I do?...
5b.) Now I am in the situation that I can choose between CM9, CM10 and CM11. Which one would you suggest most?
Remark: CM11 seems to make problems and e.g. its storage management does not work: at 'Android options/storage' it does not show the sizes (endless calculation...), launcher is more circumstancial, etc. Up to now I used CM9 which worked quite well - but it is old. Maybe CM10?...
Or isn't it the most actual one? How can I find?...
Thank you again for your good feedback!!
Falk2 said:
thank you again for your good and detailed explanations and your patience!!
To 1): Okay, thank you anyway. In average it seems as if the limitation ist just about 700 MB for WFS. And if all data files are transferred to the SD card the internal storage will not be filled at all, right? So the space for downloaded apps seems to be limited only by the size of the SD card, right? Remark: Would be perfect if it could be selected during app installation where the data sector of the app should be transferred to. But this does not seem to be possible by a script, is it?...
To 2): Okay, that's what I know - the much slower SD card. I mean how can I estimate if an app which uses data files needs to access them often or not?... Would be good if I could estimate that before I use/choose an app.
To3): Okay, understand. However I did it, overwriting the old script. Booting was possible but there was no change at all.
4.) You wrote that you tried so many scripts... So which is your conclusion? Which INT2EXT script do you use today?...
4b.) And is there any reason why there is no script INT2EXTV2 (without '+')? Cause I would like to use Linux swap and need more than 750 MB memory for my downloaded apps.
Or where can I get this script maybe ?...
Another problem I have...
5.) I tried to install the actual CM11 (cm-11-20141004-NIGHTLY-marvel) with INT2EXT but I cannot boot again after I additionally flashed GAPPS (Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed): endless loading. (I followed the original installation instruction!!)
How can that be? I suppose that the reason is that my storage size for the system part is too low. But the email app is already missing in this ROM... Isn't that strange? Did this happen to you as well already?... What can I do?...
5b.) Now I am in the situation that I can choose between CM9, CM10 and CM11. Which one would you suggest most?
Remark: CM11 seems to make problems and e.g. its storage management does not work: at 'Android options/storage' it does not show the sizes (endless calculation...), launcher is more circumstancial, etc. Up to now I used CM9 which worked quite well - but it is old. Maybe CM10?...
Or isn't it the most actual one? How can I find?...
Thank you again for your good feedback!!
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1) I think so, but considering not much of the files are transferred, it will make a slight difference instead of a big one. And no, all the scripts I know of do not provide the option to select the sector to install to during the installation of an app. That would actually defeat the purpose of the script to be easy to use. Beginners will have a hard time if they are provided with millions of options.
2) I don't think you can estimate that. You will then need to create estimates for every kind of app(and there are a LOT kinds of them)
3) Overwriting a script with another would either not work or will cause problems.
4)I was using INT2EXT4 recently but will not use anymore scripts because the WFS isn't my primary device anymore. So I don't require much apps to be installed on it.
4b) You will have to ask the developer of the scripts that. He will clear you on that more.
5) That could be because of the Gapps, what was the size of the Gapps you installed? If you are using the one from Goo.im or PA's site then you need to switch to a lite version of Gapps.
5b) I personally use CM9 or CM10.1 if I want stability. CM10 has it's fair share of bugs since it hasn't received as much time as the CM 9 and 10.1. In then end it is upto you to decide which ROM suits you more.
to 1.) I think Link2SD is supporting this (selected data location)... It is easy to handle (you decide once just before installation of an app)!
to 4.) Have you been satisfied with INT2EXT4 ? Maybe it is not my last change from EXT3 to EXT4, I don't know... But my CM11 version now runs in some way unstable. S. below.
to 4b.) I asked Croniccorey already but unfortunately he did not answer yet...
to 5.) Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed is said to be already a lite version. So I cared for that. The size: 15.2 MB. Is that okay? If so then we have a strange problem here, don't we?
Meanwhile I did the following: I did not flash both (Rom AND INT2EXT4 script) within one boot as advised everywhere. And this time GooglePlay suddenly appeared. It seems to be included in the Rom but before (Rom and script in ONE boot) did definitly NOT appear. Strange, isn't it?...
So this time it was not necessary to flash GAPPS so that this problem was shipped around.
But this CM11 with INT2EXT4 (before CM9 and INT2EXT+ which was quite fast and stable (but limited to 720 MB Apps)) is not that stable AND boots at least double the time than CM9!!
During installation/configuration of CM11 and lots of apps there were a lot of crashes. E.g. I started Skype four times or GoogleMaps twice (after installation) before they did not crash during their start.
I wanted to give up already but after all that it now the apps which need big resources run acceptable.
Now they crash only when there are too much processes at one time. E.g. if more than 4 pictures of WhatsApp (which s.o. has sent to me) are loaded. Or if there is a heavy background process running and I scroll some content of another app.
I doubt if this is what you ment with unstable (of CM11)!?
6.) Do you have any idea where this kind of unstability comes from?...
And which kind of unstability did you realise at CM11?...
But again, maybe it is just my change from EXT3 to EXT4. Maybe I did not select the right settings, like cluster size, ...!?
would be perfect if you or s.o. else would comment my experiences soon.
I really don't know right now what is normal here and what I would have to accept so far...
meanwhile I could answer my questions and problems by myself by long tries, as nobody seemed to know it here...
To 1.) Yes, Link2SD seems to be just the same as INT2EXT scripts (but here you need to pay for a none-'+'-version: app data are only linked to SD with Link2SD plus version) but you can control at each installed app if also app DATA are moved to SD or not. And you have a comfortable UI where you can manage everything. You can even switch off the linking. At INT2EXT there is no chance: if you want to change anything you have to reinstall your whole ROM !!
To 2.) I could not realise a very remarkable reduction of speed between INT2EXT4+ and INT2EXT4. Sometimes the start or change of apps (taskmanager) was a bit slower. So if you use a class 10 SD card and you want no app installation limitations I suggest not to use the INT2EXT plus version. Maybe the solution is LINK2SD anyway!...
To 3.) The perfect solution here is the app Link2SD (s. GooglePlay).
To 4.) My CM11 ROM now runs stable. Solution: I reinstalled it and flashed it with 'SuperWipeMarvelEdition' first. Really unbelievable but that helped!
To 5.+6.) Also these problems were solved with 'SuperWipeMarvelEdition'. Now the flashing of GAPPS worked fine.
To 5b.) My CM11 version runs also quite well. It might be a bit slower but not much. But it is quite big and lots of system functions are missing. E.g. Google Weather & News, Email, Talk, etc. Its GAPPS is too small. An INT2EXT PLUS version is impossible here as you have just 30 MB internal storage left! You have to search for all the apps and install them additionally. Unfortunately I could not find any pool where all those missing apps are collected for download. Very sad! Does anybody know?... (what I found only: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1917411 )
Point 4b) I still could not answer. Nobody seems to know and Croniccorey unfortunately does not give any life sign...