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The Rumored T-mobile Dash 2

How many of you hope that when/if T-mobile brands this phone it isn't the Cavalier but some entirely new phone?

hopfully not for awhile cuz i just got the dash 3 months ago.

I wouldn't mind the S630 at all.

Where did you hear this... rumour ?

I don't think it will be a Cav, unless the Cav has about double the battery life and is 3G ready. Trying to predict the future from reading Gizmodo/etc. and biweekly Tmobile chattings, I think it doesn't cut the mark for what Tmo US has planned.
However, if they did push it, it would probably get the Cav in widespread circulation enough to get it some decent development, which it currently lacks. Until it is popped wide open, I'm not interested.
So I think the Cav is not the Dash 2. And I think the Shadow 2 will be around looong before a Dash 2. My two cents, now 100% off, one night only.

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Where did you hear this... rumour ?
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Oh, he heard about it on this hot phone hacking site: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388897

I dont know what kind of "development" you're expecting for the Cavalier. I mean... it's a standard smartphone... it's a Dash on steroids. What makes it so special that the current applications developed for landscape smartphones, wouldn't work on it ?

T-Mobile in the US needs to step their game up. Our phones out here suck. When I first got my Dash about a year ago I was one of the only people I knew who had it. Now I see it everywhere because they haven't released anything good. Nothing new. Who wants a Smurf looking phone or a the Shadow (looks cheap)? If there is a new smartphone or PDA from HTC I can't wait to see it for T-Mobile. Does anybody know a loophole I can slip through to get my hands on a T-Mobile UK phone without paying $600?

OrganicM said:
I dont know what kind of "development" you're expecting for the Cavalier. I mean... it's a standard smartphone... it's a Dash on steroids. What makes it so special that the current applications developed for landscape smartphones, wouldn't work on it ?
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ROM cooking.

I don't see why people have such a problem with the Cavalier! It's an awesome phone. We all love our Excaliburs...and from what I understand, the Cavalier is nothing but a "next-gen" Excalibur. That's a good thing...right? If the Dash 2 is the Cavalier or isn't the Cavalier--either way I'm anticipating it's release.

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T-Mobile in the US needs to step their game up. Our phones out here suck. When I first got my Dash about a year ago I was one of the only people I knew who had it. Now I see it everywhere because they haven't released anything good. Nothing new. Who wants a Smurf looking phone or a the Shadow (looks cheap)? If there is a new smartphone or PDA from HTC I can't wait to see it for T-Mobile. Does anybody know a loophole I can slip through to get my hands on a T-Mobile UK phone without paying $600?
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Yeah its called eBay

Rip Syntaxx said:
I don't see why people have such a problem with the Cavalier! It's an awesome phone. We all love our Excaliburs...and from what I understand, the Cavalier is nothing but a "next-gen" Excalibur. That's a good thing...right? If the Dash 2 is the Cavalier or isn't the Cavalier--either way I'm anticipating it's release.
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I'm not hating on the Cavalier. I've only heard that all the new smartphones Tmobile US is interested in have to have a much longer talk time on WiFi than, for example, the Dash. Since the Cavalier is similarly sized, I suspect it is similar in battery life. And I am not aware of it being 3G, which they have said all the new high-end phones will be.

Profezza said:
I'm not hating on the Cavalier. I've only heard that all the new smartphones Tmobile US is interested in have to have a much longer talk time on WiFi than, for example, the Dash. Since the Cavalier is similarly sized, I suspect it is similar in battery life. And I am not aware of it being 3G, which they have said all the new high-end phones will be.
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Well the cavalier ( at least the ones sold in the UK and japan ) have 3g , dont know if its UTMS or HSDPA. but the only complain people have is the battery life on the device. Since it includes a more robust 400mhz proc (made by samsung i think?) and includes 3g It is naturally have a shorter battery life. (unless they have found another battery with more "juice" to offset the extra power and bandwidth)

Cav Specs
http://http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-S630-Cavalier-phone-p_2260.html
Iris Specs (CDMA)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-S640-phone-p_2442.html

The Cavalier is buggy and not worthy to succeed the Dash.
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=977
They should have at least kept the rounded corners.

Cavalier is not significantly better
I bought Cavalier a few months ago to be used on T-Mobile network. I ended up selling it and keeping the Dash. Here is my impression:
- The phone did not feel fast despite the processor, because the O/S was not optimized for it.
- Battery drained in 1 day or less depending on usage.
- T-Mo does not have 3G, so internet was about the same.

I am honestly getting tired of the JOGGR. Makes me want to get another phone. However, I like the HTC's and I do not want a touchscreen device.

Thanks guys, for all the insights and opinions on the Cavalier. I honestly thought it would be just as good (if not, better) than its predecessor... I've been playing around with the thought of getting an unlocked Cav from Best Buy's website, but after reading all these posts--I'm not so sure...

cool and unique things you've done with dash

tell of a special thing/concept (i.e. not incredibly common, or done by 4yr olds) you've done or discovered with your dash. explain in brief but diplomatic terms (not like a 4yrold) I go first
I like wififofum as a network scanner (just introduced to it recently). you can analyze and even map with a triangulation the source of a wifi signal. how's that for useful. dash is a tiny unassuming ppc, but it rules

I put together a ROM from scratch for it... lol

I discovered that in vibrate mode that the dash feels kinda funny in my pocket when someone calls!

I use mine as a portable heater, OC it to 400Mhz and it keeps me warm on theses cold dayz.

Currently my dash does multiple things, its a game machine, a paperweight and a dial up machine all in one!!!

arggh? me feels primitive.
NRGZ28 said:
I put together a ROM from scratch for it... lol
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on a serious note, I must try your brew, chilled. So do you have a lite version yet? Im all for adding stuff maself, although kavana rom has been real good to me, I feel the wind of dashventure calling. oh yes

woa, got the buttons confused. I read on your rom a while ago, is there a lite version done?, because as you brought it up, I didn't make a rom for my phone (the whole arggh thing comes to mind -read comment). *ps. This is a sad exercise in correcting what should of been a reply post and it feels great. ahhh!

Buying it was an amazing move!!! then installing Kavana 080408
Remade By Rickywatt!!
Now S621 is one of the best Smartphones I ever had
Don´t forget to vote here!:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362

orb3000 said:
Buying it was an amazing move!!! then installing Kavana 080408
Remade By Rickywatt!!
Now S621 is one of the best Smartphones I ever had
Don´t forget to vote here!:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
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YESSS! such an oprah moment, I feel the same. Just jiving about the O, but this little work of micron love strums the strings in me. And btw, if any of you know how to use wififofum well (not like a 4yrold), help me. (here's the prize: go to lastfm and type in thiaz itch -I checked the spelling- and enjoy the free downloads. If and when you decide to like this, you're welcome)

I been using my dash for everything from gaming to doing excel spreadsheets etc... so in the long run it is the most useful thing I know... its like my second PC

I cant tell you what I use my Dash for.. its been compartmentalized and made above top secret

Bupahs said:
I cant tell you what I use my Dash for.. its been compartmentalized and made above top secret
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LoL........NOT!!!!!!!!!!

johnnylavah said:
LoL........NOT!!!!!!!!!!
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lol.. but what if

i liked my HTC S620 on wm5 but i started to really love it since i've installed offecial wm6 and more after installing wm6.1 by the great kavana , but i really hate its gay battery life .
i recently started to use it to prove that he can't be relied on when it comes to hard work , unless you walk with another "2" backup batteries

gothicrulezz said:
i liked my HTC S620 on wm5 but i started to really love it since i've installed offecial wm6 and more after installing wm6.1 by the great kavana , but i really hate its gay battery life .
i recently started to use it to prove that he can't be relied on when it comes to hard work , unless you walk with another "2" backup batteries
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2 Words = Extended Battery

I use mine all the time when my G1 pisses me off to the point where I just need reliability.
I guess my answer would be "I use it as a phone" (which in today's society is actually rare )

gospeed.racer said:
I use mine all the time when my G1 pisses me off to the point where I just need reliability.
I guess my answer would be "I use it as a phone" (which in today's society is actually rare )
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You use the dash as a phone, whats wrong with you man? lol i have to admit when i pick up my dash i sigh a little bit. The best phone ive ever had including the g1. Gaming on dash is awesome, but its also a really reliable phone. Even if i had an iphone, g1 and diamond i wouldnt part with it!

cool
I'll tell you what I've done that's cool and unique, maybe even amazing, is I have turned my dash into my girlfriend (my wife's words)she says between modding and the forum, I spend as much time with the phone as I do with her. hehe

roloracer said:
I'll tell you what I've done that's cool and unique, maybe even amazing, is I have turned my dash into my girlfriend (my wife's words)she says between modding and the forum, I spend as much time with the phone as I do with her. hehe
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so you should tell her to get one too and do it together
Mine is an original nintendo gaming machine, an mp3 player, eamil, and believe it or not, a phone

dash
coop3422 said:
so you should tell her to get one too and do it together
Mine is an original nintendo gaming machine, an mp3 player, eamil, and believe it or not, a phone
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I would, but she want's a g1, I'm telling her to wait a little to see what tmobile picks up from the HTC 2009 lineup.

HTC Snap

Looks like the much needed update to the Excalibur, and it's actually going to be picked up by a carrier (most likely AT&T due to the 3G spectrum). It boasts a lot of improved features, it almost seems impossible to fit all of that into a phone that size.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5192944/htc-snap-looks-like-beautiful-black-berry-bold
I personally like it, it retains the beauty of the original phone that just wasn't captured with the Cavalier (read: the Cavalier is ugly).
And WinMo 6.1 to boot!

Wasnt this branded as the HTC Maple? I saw this on BGR's website too. Looks nice, but only a 2MP camera.

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Looks like the much needed update to the Excalibur, and it's actually going to be picked up by a carrier (most likely AT&T due to the 3G spectrum). It boasts a lot of improved features, it almost seems impossible to fit all of that into a phone that size.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5192944/htc-snap-looks-like-beautiful-black-berry-bold
I personally like it, it retains the beauty of the original phone that just wasn't captured with the Cavalier (read: the Cavalier is ugly).
And WinMo 6.1 to boot!
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Yes, yes, this is old news, we have been talking about this phone for a while, it was called the HTC Maple, and I'm not surprised at them for changing the name. That doesn't mean it won't be called the Maple anymore, like the excalibur , dash , s620 , whatever they want to call it, depending on the carrier, will be the name it will have. But still old news. Just cause it has 3g doesn't mean ATT will be the only one to pick it up, everyone else is already running 3g(unless you're with a company that doesn't) TMO already with 3g and so is Sprint and Verizon.
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Wasnt this branded as the HTC Maple? I saw this on BGR's website too. Looks nice, but only a 2MP camera.
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It still a nice phone and a 2mp camera is not so bad.

Here are some more pics: http://mobilitysite.com/2009/04/hands-on-with-the-htc-snap/
Looks great, and can't wait to get my hands on it. I can see some potential problems brewing.... I manually lock my phone (hold the end call button), and looks like I wil be turning my phone off out of habit for awhile with the Snap.

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Yes, yes, this is old news, we have been talking about this phone for a while, it was called the HTC Maple, and I'm not surprised at them for changing the name. That doesn't mean it won't be called the Maple anymore, like the excalibur , dash , s620 , whatever they want to call it, depending on the carrier, will be the name it will have. But still old news. Just cause it has 3g doesn't mean ATT will be the only one to pick it up, everyone else is already running 3g(unless you're with a company that doesn't) TMO already with 3g and so is Sprint and Verizon.
It still a nice phone and a 2mp camera is not so bad.
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looks nice

It´s very nice!
Hope can upgrade my contract with this candy

There was a thread about this already like 2 months ago.

Now im gettin exiting cant wait for this gettin one for sure. heres another link to a hands on reveiw with more pics! http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/01/htc-snap-hands-on/

1Airborne1 said:
Now im gettin exiting cant wait for this gettin one for sure. heres another link to a hands on reveiw with more pics! http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/01/htc-snap-hands-on/
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dis phone is sexy

im freakin pumped man i want one of thses so bad

how much will it cost?

Perhaps it's just me, but is this phone anything more than a Dash with 6.1, 3G and a roller? I read somewhere that HTC plans to offer this phone unlocked and retail. I'm guessing that within a couple months of release, this will fall under the "free phone with contract" category.
I see no reason to get locked into a contact for this phone. My current contract is up in a few days (which means I've had my Dash for 2 years!). I'm going to wait for WM7 or until my Dash goes tits up, as the Dash (with Ricky and Stylez Rose 6.1) serves my current needs just fine. Don't get me wrong, looks great, but not really worthy of "OMG I GOTTA GET THAT ASAP!".

I sort of agree.

The more I see it the more I dislike it, I think it looks too much like a blackberry for my taste, and that phone should only be coming out with wm 6.5, not 6.1. Is not really that much of an upgrade if it will have the same stuff that I have on my dash right now. Anyways the way I see it I'm pointing on a different direction, for me it will be either a HTC Tilt(Kaiser) or a HTC touch pro (Fuze) next.

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The more I see it the more I dislike it, I think it looks too much like a blackberry for my taste, and that phone should only be coming out with wm 6.5, not 6.1. Is not really that much of an upgrade if it will have the same stuff that I have on my dash right now. Anyways the way I see it I'm pointing on a different direction, for me it will be either a HTC Tilt(Kaiser) or a HTC touch pro (Fuze) next.
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roloracer,
I was waiting for people to see this as peeps are now, it's an SPV c550 that's bit hit by a steam roler and had a little joysticky thing or whatever you want to call it.
I watched the vidoe that was posted and ended up looking @ the sea and the sky, did see a bit about a phone, but guess what bit i remember now? You got it the sky & the sand sea

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roloracer,
I was waiting for people to see this as peeps are now, it's an SPV c550 that's bit hit by a steam roler and had a little joysticky thing or whatever you want to call it.
I watched the vidoe that was posted and ended up looking @ the sea and the sky, did see a bit about a phone, but guess what bit i remember now? You got it the sky & the sand sea
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That's funny that you say that If you look at an SPV c550 and imagine it being flatten up by a steam roler it would look like the maple , When I saw the video myself, found my eyes wondering around the room uncontrollably.

OP should make this a poll,
1. I want one
2. I stand patriotic
3. I think it looks like an spv c550 hit by a steam roller
All bases covered

any word on memory upgrades?

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any word on memory upgrades?
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It says to include 128MB RAM, 256MB ROM and a 528MHz Qualcomm 7225 Processor, that's what the're saying.

roloracer said:
It says to include 128MB RAM, 256MB ROM and a 528MHz Qualcomm 7225 Processor, that's what the're saying.
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And M$ are going to underclock it to 450MHz as they read XDA and have seen all the i overclocked and my phone wont boot messages

Time to move along from the Dash?!?

Hey, guys. Been reading the "Excalibur" forum for quite awhile now. Really great stuff. Thanks!
So... I have some moula to get a phone, and I'm kicking my options around. My Dash, while currently fine with the Ookba WM6.5 ROM, is feeling pretty long in the tooth. Probably a good time to kick this over to my wife and get myself something new. But what to get? I'm sticking with T-Mobile, so no question there.
Here are my thoughts...
- T-Mobile MyTouch 3G and extend my contract an additional two years
- HTC Fuze (used) and load the latest XDA rom
- HTC Diamond (used) and load the latest XDA rom
- something else???
Not sure if I'm really stoked on the Android world, but the Hero-based ROMs coming outta XDA look pretty sweet. Upcoming Exchange support is a must as well. Otherwise, are the Fuze and Diamond phones as sweet as they look? Any other suggestions??
Thanks,
Yip

Why not the Touch Pro2 with all it's 3G goodness when it comes out in August?

since you said tmobile, my choice would be the G1 with the keyboard.

yipcanjo said:
Probably a good time to kick this over to my wife and get myself something new.
Yip
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very funny, lol.

time to move on???? time to upgrade!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534794

aussiedog said:
Why not the Touch Pro2 with all it's 3G goodness when it comes out in August?
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I agree 100%.
The HTC Touch Pro2 is set to be released by T-Mobile on August 12th in the US.
This is going to be one bad-ass phone. Of course, it will (I believe) come with WM6.1 stock, from the factory.

aussiedog said:
Why not the Touch Pro2 with all it's 3G goodness when it comes out in August?
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I've thought about that, of course, and the Touch Pro 2 is *amazing*, but I'm guessing it'll be about $399 on contract, or so, which is out of my range. I'm hoping to spend about $200.
Anyone here have the Fuze or Diamond? Are those phones pretty great?

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I've thought about that, of course, and the Touch Pro 2 is *amazing*, but I'm guessing it'll be about $399 on contract, or so, which is out of my range. I'm hoping to spend about $200.
Anyone here have the Fuze or Diamond? Are those phones pretty great?
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Just hop over to Fuze section look @ the ROMs etc
Same goes for anything in your price bracket give you an idea of what can be acomplished
TP2 would defo be my choice

Mine too: TP2
But long live to Excalibur!!

I appreciate your input, guys. I both *love* and *loathe* trying to figure stuff like this out...
So, it looks like about $220 is really my limit, unfortunately, which probably leaves me either choosing a myTouch 3G or a (used) Fuze. Do warranties carry over with used phones?
It'd be easier to decide on the myTouch phone if T-Mobile would come clean on the *actual* Exchange Support they'll offer, but they're being unnecessarily coy on the topic. Also, I really wish that myTouch came with the higher (288megs) of RAM, but it doesn't appear to I would love to get a copy of the SenseUI running on that sucker!
Anyhow.... myTouch 3G vs. Fuze. Thoughts? Pros/cons??

it was mentioned once before, why not the dash 3g?
my thoughts are to stick with a WM phone, i strayed a little and did not like it

skaroger867 said:
it was mentioned once before, why not the dash 3g?
my thoughts are to stick with a WM phone, i strayed a little and did not like it
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The Dash 3G is ok, but I'm a bit miffed at the *lack* of real upgrade as compared to the original Dash! Same screen size/resolution, low-rez camera w/ no flash, and no touchable screen. It's faster, of course, and with 3G speeds, but otherwise a pretty minimal update. Also, T-Mobile has priced the phone TOO high. It should be $99 at most, but they're asking $169 w/ two year contract.
Not well done, in my opinion.

So... I finally had some "hands on" time with both the Fuze and the myTouch 3G. There is a LOT to be said for actually having/using the device in your hands, ya know?
FUZE
I'm hoping that the stock ROM is well-known to be really poor on this phone, because it was embarassingly bad to use. It was extremely sluggish (even after a reboot) and I had a lot of miss hits while trying to choose or open things. Do the WM6.5 ROMs for the Fuze improve upon the usability a lot? I would certainly hope so. In-store, the Fuze was a big disappointment.
myTouch 3G
Our local T-Mobile shop had one of these to check out. Actually, it was an employees personal phone that he let me look at (which was slightly awkward, but whatever). I've had quite a bit of time with the G1, and the myTouch was significantly smaller and more comfortable in my hand. The on-screen keyboard takes getting used to, but overall the phone seemed responsive and attractive. A nice device!
So... I'm still torn, but leaning toward the myTouch

Thinking about about buying the TP2, gimme a hand? :D

Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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given you a hand

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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it is great if you like real keyboard and big screen.

This is my 3rd Windows Mobile phone, and I also had the iPhone 3GS. This is BY FAR the best phone I have ever owend, used, or seen. I'm a picky SOB and do my research before buying anything. This is definitely the best phone, and I will continue to be an HTC customer. They got it 100% right on this one!!

best phone
I bought 2 just to play with.
I have dropped my main one on concrete probably 7 times(not on purpose), got minor dings, but no major functionality issues. flashed rom from SD card and computer probably a hundred times, Hard SPLed it while wasted drunk and still this thing is kickin.
Top notch phone would recommend!

From my point of veiw it is an awsome phone, Try to get it cheap though, as cheaply as possible, because as you probably know htc has the leo out and its only a matter of time for a leo like phone with that 1ghz processor with a keyboard attached. There are plenty of people around asking for it so its bound to happen. So Save some money where you can and buy the tp2 through a carrier and get it through someone who is gsm not cdma so when a new phone comes out you can just pop out the sim and you have a new phone

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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Great phone, by far my Favorite! It is especially good with a cooked rROM with the My Location Weather in the clock. If you get it through an online retailer (not AT&T directly) with service or as an upgrade you can save some cash.
Try:
amazon
Walmart
NewEgg
can't remember some of the others.

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This is my 3rd Windows Mobile phone, and I also had the iPhone 3GS. This is BY FAR the best phone I have ever owend, used, or seen. I'm a picky SOB and do my research before buying anything. This is definitely the best phone, and I will continue to be an HTC customer. They got it 100% right on this one!!
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Agree 100%

Thanks for all the replies guys, that has sealed it, I will be getting one asap, what would you recommend me doing to it off the bat?

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, that has sealed it, I will be getting one asap, what would you recommend me doing to it off the bat?
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Nothing just use it. Then after your sure you like it Hard SPL it and try a cooked ROM. The stickies in the ROM Development forum will help you once you ready to flash some new ROMs.

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Nothing just use it. Then after your sure you like it Hard SPL it and try a cooked ROM. The stickies in the ROM Development forum will help you once you ready to flash some new ROMs.
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What exactly will the roms do for me, and is there any in particular that you would recommend?

Guess I'll be the devil's advocate. My experience with the TP2 is that it's still too slow, whether it's the OS or processor I don't know, but it needs a big boost in speed. I'm definitely grabbing a Snapdragon device when it's available because the TP2 is just a slug.

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What exactly will the roms do for me, and is there any in particular that you would recommend?
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The stock ROM that came with my AT&T Tilt 2 was actually not too bad at all. I was much quicker and responsive than I was used to on my Tilt 1, even wit it running a custom ROM.
What a ROM for the XDA "cooks" will remove a lot of bloatware from the carriers (trial app that they want you to pay for). This will free up space and resources and can help make you phone more responsive. It can also add feature from the more recent HTC TouchFlo 3D, such as the weather clock. It give you your weather in the clock and with My location service will give your the weather for where you happen to be at the moment. Other nice app included in most cooked ROMs is the Mobile WiFi app. basically allow you to turn you phone into a wireless access point.
I'm using this ROM currently:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568233

I'd honestly say the Touch Pro2 is the best mobile device I've ever had (you can see my past devices in my signature). The screen and keyboard are the best part about the TP2, but the whole thing is near perfect. Whether you're new or old to the Windows Mobile scene, I'd say this is an excellent device which you should most certainly consider.

Hey thanks guys for answering my questions, and thanks lowteckh for giving me another opinion on the matter but, Im getting a new phone in the next two weeks and I'm sure the snapdragon will not come out by then so it will have to be the TP2.

If you particularly want a phone with a hard QWERTY keyboard that runs Windows Mobile then you should check out the Samsung B7610 (a.k.a. Omnia Pro). If you don't want a physical keyboard then you probably don't want a TP2.
There are already Snapdragon-powered devices on the market: the Toshiba TG01, and Acer F1 (a.k.a. NeoTouch) both run Windows Mobile. HTC's own HD2 will be available from T-Mobile UK on Monday. (Of course none of them have physical keyboards).
If you're in America, and you think you don't want Windows Mobile, then the Motorola Droid is worth checking out. The Palm Pre and iPhone 3GS are also worth a look.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, and I like that keyboard on the samsung, it looks solid, but im not a samsung fan . I purchased a Sprint TP2 yesterday and should be getting it soon, Im very excited

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Thanks for all the feedback guys, and I like that keyboard on the samsung, it looks solid, but im not a samsung fan . I purchased a Sprint TP2 yesterday and should be getting it soon, Im very excited
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I have both the Moment and TP2 I have to say I love the tilt feature of the TP2 the moment has some battery issues and wifi is quirky, broswer are not good, but the App store is awesome. Tp2 best features are automatic profiling and Wifi Router, serving 3g speeds to my friend's Iphone. You made a great choice.