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Since upgrading my SX56 to Windows Mobile 2003 using the Siemen's website, it seems like coverage is poorer than what I had before. It seems like I have no coverage in places where I had coverage before; coverage is weak where it used to be strong. The Siemen's upgrade put my SX56's Radio version at A.33.02. Is that the best there is what will work on the ATTWS network?
Hey,
Where you find this A.33.02 ROM?
I am using A.30.09.
Thanks
What is on my SX56 is strictly the result of upgrade I downloaded from the Siemens website. I have not cooked a ROM or installed anything (except applications) from any 3d party source. My SX56 Device Information lists the following:
ROM Version: A.30.09 ENG
ROM Date: 1/1/2004
Radio Version: A.30.02
Protocol Version: 1.3.3
Do you have radio version A.30.09?
30.02 is the radio version. I have tried 30.02 (official) 30.01 (pre-release) and variations of 6.2xx (T-Mo official & pre-release) The T-Mo seems more stable but does not show signal bars. I have heard a lot of crap about how RS upgrades don't affect signal strength. Yes hardware is the main factor in this but RS can and does affect it. Yes I agree fully the new radio stacks for ATT SUCK! Also another major factor is I've noticed for some reason maybe just bad timming is ATT coverage in general is much worse than before the upgrade release. Example: Where I had average coverage at work, after the upgrade it went to very spotty to none, then for like 2 weeks it was full strength all over in my area. Now for the last 2 months I have sh*tty coverage all over and NO! covergae at Home and work...It doesn't get any worse than that. I basicly cant really use my phone unless I go stand in the middle of an open field. Bottom line ever since Cingular bought ATT they have had the worse coverage ever. Maybe Cingular has given priority to their customers on the ATT towers or moved the sweep to areas they needed the coverage :evil: further more the new radio stacks need a new release for this new OS. They constanly loose the signal, cant re-register on their own, and generally dont grab and hold a solid signal.
Anyone else noticed anything simular. I am in Los Angeles, CA not a good area to go down hill in. But they dont care anymore they got bought out, further more Cingular has had more lawsuite against them than any other carrier and have the worse record in regards to fair business practices than any other wireless service provider. They got slapped with a multi-million dollar fine form the FCC and California Public utilities commission, so I wouldn't hope to expect any improvement for ATT customers infact I would be surprised if they didn't try to make us all cancell then force us to sign up again at a higher price and a new long term contract, even if it were illegal. If you couldnt tell I use to be a big fan of ATT but They've been going down hill steadily, and the Cingular purchase is going to be the final death blow to ATT customers, unless you are paying more than a cingular customer then they'll want to keep you. :?
if you couldnt tell I'M NOT HAPPY WITH MY CURRENT COVERAGE :lol:
A Different Explanation For Poor Coverage
It was announced by ATTWS in 4Q '03 that it would stop selling phones that don't support 850mhz traffic. That includes the SX56 and the Motorola MX200, by the way. I wonder whether our 1900 mhz SX56s are starting to get poor coverage is becasue ATTWS is re-configuring towers, changing some towers to 850 mhz, leaving the 1900 mhz towers fewer and farther between. Now, I'm just speculating about the towers. I have no proof that towers are being switched. The only thing I know for sure is that ATTWS has announced it will not sell phones which don't support 850 mhz starting 1/1/2004. Maybe it's not the radio stack at all. Maybe it's the towers.
By the way, it's wrong to refer to the merger of ATTWS and Cingular in the past tense. Although approved by the boards of directors of both corporations, the deal won't close for months. It has to have regulatory approval which is not guaranteed and won't come for months. The companies can't start putting their networks together until it closes. Undoubtedly there is lots of pre-planning happening today, but the systems can't be merged until the merger transation is closed.
Anyone have a clue when the TP2 worldphone is due for Telus?
Also, will the front camera be included in the phone? I know in the past the vga cam was removed since CDMA did not support the dual use of phone and data at the same time, but the HSPA network under way (probably one of the reasons they are getting CDMA+HSPA antennas in this phone) it would make sens that they keep the front cam since HSPA supports video calls.
thanks.
just officially announced
Looks like the this week/next week predictions may actually be true.
yup, I kinda stopped posting here but there has been a lot going on with news about this. I also saw a forum posting (lost the link) from a telus employee saying that he got the SNAP dummy phones in today (July 14th).
I wonder what the exact specs are for the GSM antenna. Apparently it will have quad-band edge but no news on what bands the HSPA is going to be on (if at all...).
I know this is the snap and not the tp2, but it could give us an idea of what to expect. the full specs were just posted for the snap.
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/Telus+SNAP good news, full quad-band gsm and edge... now we just hope the tp2 will have hspa on top of that.
seems the telus version will also have a 3.5mm jack as well as geotaging automatic when taking pictures and dual band UMTS (900 and 2100) but no news on the telus HSPA bands yet (which is on the 1900 band)
2100 HSPA, no bellus HSPA for us
I have called 4 telus stores this week. 2 didn't know anything about the launch of the tp2? 1 said his manager played with one a short time ago at a conference and it was a sweet phone but had no idea when it would be available. The last store told me they have not mentioned anything about this phone at there meeting this week so she believed it isn't going to be here for a while yet as all new phones are discussed a couple of weeks before arival. In short it appears everyone knows that the tp2 is coming to telus except people who work at telus. Ha
Already listed at BestBuy Canada.
According to Bestbuy, here's the spec of the Telus TP2...
Product Details
Web Code ..... 10127335
Mfr. Part Number ..... 10127335
Backlit Keypad ..... No
Calculator ..... Yes
Calendar ..... Yes
Carrier ..... Telus
Connection Port(s) ..... USB, 3.5 mm
CPU Speed ..... 800/1900 MHz
Customizable Ringtones ..... Built-In & Downloadable
Display Type ..... LCD Touchscreen
Expansion Slots ..... microSD
Flash Upgradeable ..... Yes
Games ..... Yes
Handsfree Speakerphone ..... Yes
Included In Box ..... Battery,Charger,USB Cable,Headset,Manual
Keyboard Type ..... Slide-Out QWERTY
Keypad Lock ..... Yes
Memory Size (RAM) ..... 512MB
Modem Type ..... Built-In
MP3 Capable ..... Yes
Number of Display Lines ..... 5
Number of Modes ..... CDMA (800; 1900 MHz) EVDO Rev A/0 (no HSPA )
Operating System ..... Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Operating System Compatibility ..... Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Phone Book Capacity ..... 1000 Entries
Product Dimensions ..... 5.62(W) x 11.6(H) x 1.67(D) cm
Product Warranty ..... 1 Year
Product Weight ..... 178.5 g
Resolution ..... 480 x 800
ROM Size ..... 288MB
Spreadsheet ..... Yes
Standby Time ..... 750 Hours
Stylus Entry ..... Yes
Supports Caller ID ..... Yes
Talk Time ..... Up to 390 Minutes
Voice Recording ..... Yes
Web Browser ..... Yes
Word Processor ..... Yes
I've just noticed that according to Bestbuy, TELUS HTC TP2 doesn't have GPS antenna ... I don't think we should trust this website
And it seems they've gotten a few things on best buy
they switched the rom and ram sizes
they put the cdma 3G speeds as cpu speed, and no mention of gsm
1000 limit for phone book entires
and the number of display lines is 5
and no mention of the camera in the specifications but it is mentioned in the overview and they mention it has a flash...
got to love product descriptions at times.
solsearch said:
And it seems they've gotten a few things on best buy
they switched the rom and ram sizes
they put the cdma 3G speeds as cpu speed, and no mention of gsm
1000 limit for phone book entires
and the number of display lines is 5
and no mention of the camera in the specifications but it is mentioned in the overview and they mention it has a flash...
got to love product descriptions at times.
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I didn't even notice those mistakes ... Anyway, I wish the GPS will be unlocked. It was locked for the Telus touch pro (1)
Well, on the Telus coming soon page they have this for the touch pro2
Available services*
* Email
* TELUS Navigator
* TELUS Portal by Pocket Express®
* TELUS mobile TV™
* Wireless web
So the gps won't be hidden like in some phones. Though I guess if they were really greedy and mean spirited they could make it only visible/available to the Telus navigator, but that seems like it'd be truly excessive.
oh no, what would we ever do? (say the people on the XDA forum; best place to get custom roms )
but ya I agree with hoping its unlocked out of the box. I think that bestbuy employee should be fired. we should demand that the specifications be met lol
I went into telus after work today to see if they had a TP2 in stock or at least tell me when they would have one. The sale girls didn't know anything about the phone but see did search to see if any where in transit, NO and then how many where in warehouse, NONE.
She said that if they got the phone before Telus actually gets it, that it would be the first time Best Buy ever got a phone before the carrier. ( don't know if that is true but it make sense )
Still waiting, I'm hoping this thing comes out in Canada before the firestone comes out in Europe so I won't second guess my choice.
512 RAM'd be smashing, but 288 for rom'd suck
800 and 1900mhz for cpu would be amazing (horrible battery life)
but if you wanted to fire anybody, it should be for the stretched picture of the TP2. It looks SQUARE!!!!!!
And firehound. Don't second guess yourself. There's always something better round the corner. Does the TP2 suit your current needs? That's the issue at hand. Sure, the Cortex A8 and A9 and Tegra phones will be capable of great stuff... but how long before good games taking advantage of those features and that can be properly played on a cell come out? For example, that zombie augmented reality game for a tegra device looks absolutely brilliant but I think it'd only be fun if it was multiplayer in my opinion (I'd feel a right fool wandering around a table by myself or while others watched for any prolonged period of time), and multi-player's gonna take a while. Same with connectors and stuff. After all, how long has it taken HTC to imlement 3.5mm as a standard? And who knows if the Snapdragon chips will have the same driver issues as the current gen (yes, they've been observed to be really snappy, but running the current software, not software trying to truly take advantage of them).
Sorry to be dense ...
Is the Telus TP2 CDMA or GSM ? I've seen conflicting info...
Basically, I'm trying to decide where to purchase a TP2 from ...
I live in the US and I'm an AT&T subscriber, but hate with they did with the 'FUZE" keyboard...and wonder if they will screw up the TP2.
I've seen the T-Mobile version, and I'm not a fan of the color ... but I could live with that.
I'm tempted to get the European version ... but would like to use 3G in the US.
Telus ? It looks fairly untampered with.
---Rob
Telus is a CDMA World Phone.
The way I see it, it's primarly a CDMA phone with a SIM card that allow you to roam on GSM network.
Now the question is which band will it support. Nothing official yet so it may not support the 850/1900mhz 3G-HSDPA requierd for 3G+ speeds on ATT
Well looook at that.
Specs, price and etc are official!
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Notice the UMTS/HSDPA is only 2100mhz. So no luck for 3G/HSDPA on ATT. I believe this would work on T-Mobile network.
3G EVDO Rev A (800/1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA (2100 MHz), GSM/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
I'm surprised that they didn't include the Telus 3G bands. Oh well...
So buzz has started to fly around about Sprint possibly announcing Oct 7th implementing EVDO Rev. B on its network. I'd imagine anyone suffering from poor 3G data speeds would be interested in this, assuming it holds any water at all.
So I was looking at iFixit's teardown, and it lists the CDMA chip in this phone as the Qualcomm QSC6085 CDMA Processor. From what limited information I can find, this chip is not capable of EVDO Rev. B. Some things I've read seem to indicate it's simply a software thing, but I have to think the hardware in the device has to be able to take advantage of it. Everything I can find about the QSC6085 says it doesn't.
Now, I'm no engineer, nor do I know very much about CDMA data technology, but can anyone here shed some light on whether or not this phone would be capable of EVDO Rev. B if it were indeed implemented by Sprint? Could Samsung send out an OTA Update that would enable it?
I know this is all dependent on Sprint actually implementing it, which is questionable at best, but I'm trying to think ahead.
I don't know much but according to them it will..
http://gizmofusion.com/2011/09/sprint-upgrading-existing-3g-coverage-area-to-evdo-rev-b-october-7th/
jayv1717 said:
I don't know much but according to them it will..
Yeah I sent him an email to see what he's basing that statement on. No response yet.
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Does Rev B allow simultaneous talk and data?
if it is true, I'm wondering why the he'll they haven't been implemented this long ago..
greengoldmello said:
if it is true, I'm wondering why the he'll they haven't been implemented this long ago..
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It was a choice. Invest in 4G network, or jump into "3.5G" aka EvDo Rev B. I'm sure you know which one they went with.
Damn I sure hope so.. Sprints current 3g, sucks ass
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
nubsors said:
Does Rev B allow simultaneous talk and data?
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Yes it does
cdszoke said:
Yes it does
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No it doesn't. Wimax/LTE does and will but EVDO does not.
Overstew said:
It was a choice. Invest in 4G network, or jump into "3.5G" aka EvDo Rev B. I'm sure you know which one they went with.
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Sprint has NEVER talked about deploying EVDO Rev B.
They have talked about upgrading all of their base stations, radios, and antennas.
Since they are deploying LTE and WiMAX, it makes sense for them to deploy EVDO Rev B since the iPhone isn't going to have LTE radio. This gives them a nice competitive edge against Verizon.
The great thing is, all of their radios are going to be software programmable and mounted on the actual tower. This will let sprint just swap out base station cards when they phase out wimax, etc. Not having to deal with new radio hardware will allow sprint to keep it's network much more modern, esp with a flat IP-based architecture.
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Sprint has NEVER talked about deploying EVDO Rev B.
They have talked about upgrading all of their base stations, radios, and antennas.
Since they are deploying LTE and WiMAX, it makes sense for them to deploy EVDO Rev B since the iPhone isn't going to have LTE radio. This gives them a nice competitive edge against Verizon.
The great thing is, all of their radios are going to be software programmable and mounted on the actual tower. This will let sprint just swap out base station cards when they phase out wimax, etc. Not having to deal with new radio hardware will allow sprint to keep it's network much more modern, esp with a flat IP-based architecture.
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Right. They never announced it because they never went with it.
If Sprint can throw out EvDo Rev B before Verizon does, they could see a major increase in customers.
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Dulanic said:
No it doesn't. Wimax/LTE does and will but EVDO does not.
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EvDo Advanced does.
Page 15.
http://www.qualcomm.com/common/documents/presentations/RevB_Benefits_110509.pdf
If the epic touch does support the evo rev b, then I may have to rethink this purchase
irev210 said:
Sprint has NEVER talked about deploying EVDO Rev B.
They have talked about upgrading all of their base stations, radios, and antennas.
Since they are deploying LTE and WiMAX, it makes sense for them to deploy EVDO Rev B since the iPhone isn't going to have LTE radio. This gives them a nice competitive edge against Verizon.
The great thing is, all of their radios are going to be software programmable and mounted on the actual tower. This will let sprint just swap out base station cards when they phase out wimax, etc. Not having to deal with new radio hardware will allow sprint to keep it's network much more modern, esp with a flat IP-based architecture.
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This. The iPhone not having a 4G technology, plus the fact that it is SDR (Software Defined Radio) makes me feel like there is a good chance EVDO Advanced and 1x advanced, allowing Voice and Data simultaneously will be implemented via software on the base stations.
Probably will be a radio flash update for phones on the phone end to support these new protocols.
SO if sprint does setup this network rev b is the Epic touch capable of taking advantage of it?
Ma$etas said:
SO if sprint does setup this network rev b is the Epic touch capable of taking advantage of it?
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There's sites (such as Gizmofusion) stating that it will. It's all whether or not it's software dependent. If it's hardware dependent, then we wont be able to use it.
so if its a hardware thing then the epic touch wont be able to use it but then what will happen with the epic touch no more connection or is sprint still gonna have the rev a and wimax connections available for all older phones
The evo 3d supports it, so surely the epic 4g touch does....
BlueGoldAce said:
The evo 3d supports it, so surely the epic 4g touch does....
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I'm not so sure about that. The EVO 3D's cdma chip is built onto the Qualcomm's Snapdragon SOC that the phone uses. It uses the MSM8660, with MSM being "mobile station modem", which I believe was the successor chipset line to the QSC chipsets and added EVDO Rev. B support. The fact that Qualcomm built the entire SOC for the EVO 3D might have been an advantage in this case.
Here is QSC6085's description from the press release back in 2007:
The QSC6085 solution is pin- and software-compatible with QUALCOMM's
previous-generation QSC products, including the QSC6055(TM), QSC6065(TM)
and QSC6075(TM), allowing device manufacturers to leverage existing
hardware platforms and software applications for a comprehensive portfolio
of handsets across CDMA2000, EV-DO Rel. 0 and EV-DO Rev. A networks.
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Nothing about EV-DO Rev. B.
Overstew said:
Right. They never announced it because they never went with it.
If Sprint can throw out EvDo Rev B before Verizon does, they could see a major increase in customers.
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EvDo Advanced does.
Page 15.
http://www.qualcomm.com/common/documents/presentations/RevB_Benefits_110509.pdf
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Ev Do Advanced does I am sorry for the misinformation. I was googling the **** out of ev do the other day and I got my **** mixed up. Sorry.
Dchibro said:
I'm not so sure about that. The EVO 3D's cdma chip is built onto the Qualcomm's Snapdragon SOC that the phone uses. It uses the MSM8660, with MSM being "mobile station modem", which I believe was the successor chipset line to the QSC chipsets and added EVDO Rev. B support. The fact that Qualcomm built the entire SOC for the EVO 3D might have been an advantage in this case.
Here is QSC6085's description from the press release back in 2007:
Nothing about EV-DO Rev. B.
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If the Epic Touch indeed CAN'T connect to Rev B, I wonder if the "old" CDMA chip was used to cut costs in order to meet the $200 price point for Sprint?
Just talked to a Sprint Customer Service Rep. and he said no LTE.
Me: I heard sprint is getting LTE mid 2012 and my contract is up Jan 2013. I wanted to know if i can get an early upgrade which would help with my decision of staying on sprint or not.
CSR:Okay, so the upgrade isn't exactly to LTE, but it is actually just switching the entire system to a digital, purely IP based system.
Your phone will still be able to take advantage of this upgrade.
It's going to provide better coverage and faster signals, but your phone will be compatible with it.
It may be even earlier than mid 2012 by the way. The plans are in work to be finished by the first quarter of 2012 or just a little after that.
And you believe a stupid ass CSR ...
most of them can barely speak English ...
The all knowing random Sprint CSR strikes again. You should probably run this by a Radioshack sales associate just to be safe.
...yeah, I'm gunna go with the industry rumblings I hear on XDA and tech blogs WAY before I listen to any random CSR, store manager, sales associate or forum post.
nothing personal.
clearly the sprint tech knows more than dan hess.
It was an online rep and theyre usually scripted. doesnt sound like he pulled thos words out of his butt lol
I'm pretty sure a bold face lie to investors is a no no lol.... Who to believe.
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It was an online rep and theyre usually scripted. doesnt sound like he pulled thos words out of his butt lol
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The fact that he is flat out wrong on the LTE claim only underscores how anything that isn't some overly technical blabber designed to confuse the average consumer is also complete lies....
"Don't worry, it's not that thing I'm not familiar with but it's something else with the modulation matrix electro router decoupler technology THAT IS ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH THE PHONE THAT CAME OUT LAST YEAR BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WOULD BE FURIOUS IF I TOLD YOU THE TRUTH THAT IT WONT BE COMPATIBLE EVEN THOUGH I DONT KNOW THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE"
or something like that, lol
It does make sense. How many times have we on the forums over hyped a superphone and been let down... Exactly!
Heres what ive gathered about the IP move.
The most important characteristics of this air-interface are:
Higher peak data rates and spectral efficiency and lower latency:
Transmission bandwidth ranges from 1.25 MHz to 20 MHz;
Peak data rates of up to 280 Mbps over 20 MHz on the downlink;
Over 250 VoIP users can be supported on a 5 MHz FDD system;
Edge-of-cell bit rates are augmented by the use of dynamic frequency re-use schemes;
Support for a raft of peak rate and capacity improving multi-antenna technologies (MIMO, SDMA) is included.
AsinX said:
It does make sense. How many times have we on the forums over hyped a superphone and been let down... Exactly!
Heres what ive gathered about the IP move.
The most important characteristics of this air-interface are:
Higher peak data rates and spectral efficiency and lower latency:
Transmission bandwidth ranges from 1.25 MHz to 20 MHz;
Peak data rates of up to 280 Mbps over 20 MHz on the downlink;
Over 250 VoIP users can be supported on a 5 MHz FDD system;
Edge-of-cell bit rates are augmented by the use of dynamic frequency re-use schemes;
Support for a raft of peak rate and capacity improving multi-antenna technologies (MIMO, SDMA) is included.
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Sounds good, you forgot LTE. lol
AsinX said:
It does make sense. How many times have we on the forums over hyped a superphone and been let down... Exactly!
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please, entertain me. exactly how many times has a sprint press release regarding any phone or their network not been accurate?
The LTE move can be as hyped as Sprint's Charging the 1% article. stuff like this happens all the time. I wont believe anything till it happens. Lol 4G is a myth in my area.
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The LTE move can be as hyped as Sprint's Charging the 1% article. stuff like this happens all the time. I wont believe anything till it happens. Lol 4G is a myth in my area.
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It existing may be a myth to you, but their current 4G infrastructure being WiMax is fact. Tough **** for you and me. I have 4G all over town but I can't get it in my apartment, at work or in my truck if I roll my windows up...god forbid there is a stiff breeze...but it's real.
This is simply absurd. Yes backhaul improvements may improve 3G performance, but its still EVDO which is NOT IP-based.
AsinX said:
Just talked to a Sprint Customer Service Rep. and he said no LTE.
Me: I heard sprint is getting LTE mid 2012 and my contract is up Jan 2013. I wanted to know if i can get an early upgrade which would help with my decision of staying on sprint or not.
CSR:Okay, so the upgrade isn't exactly to LTE, but it is actually just switching the entire system to a digital, purely IP based system.
Your phone will still be able to take advantage of this upgrade.
It's going to provide better coverage and faster signals, but your phone will be compatible with it.
It may be even earlier than mid 2012 by the way. The plans are in work to be finished by the first quarter of 2012 or just a little after that.
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Stop making these god damn "the RadioShack guy said this, the outsourced phone rep said that" topics. Go by what Sprint officially announces, not this bullcrap hearsay.
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You know now that you say this it reminds me that my ex girlfriends step father said that he heard from his 10 year olds sons friend that heard sprint was getting rid of unlimited from his moms loser boyfriend while he was beating it to pictures from his family picture album.
... ok ill admit the ending got a little weird
I hope to God he's trolling cause I forgot my tinfoil hat at home!
It burns when I tapatalk...
Even the L.A. Times is fooled and writing Sprint LTE articles! Suckers!
Sprint announces first 4G LTE cities for mid-2012 -- no L.A. yet
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You should probably run this by a Radioshack sales associate just to be safe.
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LMFAO!
10char
Ahem.
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/12/28/sprint-builds-out-first-lte-cluster-in-illinois/
Sprint is getting LTE. End of story.
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So wait, you're saying that Sprint publically stating tthat lte is coming is a lie because csr said so? Yes, it would make lots of sense for a huge company to lie like that... I work for sprint, so I guess company I work for is lying to me about our future lte as well? And galaxy nexus will have an lte antenna just cuz?
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Every reference to HD Voice and Sprint talks about the EVO 4G LTE. The Galaxy S3 has the same SoC from Qualcomm that the EVO 4G LTE has. Both phones state that they support 1x Advanced which is required for HD Voice to work. So far I haven't found anything that states that the S3 actually has the codec installed on the phone for HD Voice. Has anyone seen/heard anything that says that Samsung/Sprint will support HD Voice on the S3? Apparently the hardware can support it so I hope it is just a matter of installing the codec.
HD Voice seems like it would be a cool extra. Normal cell phone quality (GSM or CDMA) is crappy even compared to POTS. When I make a VoIP call to VoIP call using non-compressed ("toll quality") is sounds so much better than a cell call. I'm looking forward to HD Voice for cell phones!
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HD Voice seems like it would be a cool extra. Normal cell phone quality (GSM or CDMA) is crappy even compared to POTS. When I make a VoIP call to VoIP call using non-compressed ("toll quality") is sounds so much better than a cell call. I'm looking forward to HD Voice for cell phones!
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HD Voice requires both phones/callers to support it.
By not requesting it on the GS3, Sprint has already killed off and made the feature useless.
But then again, we probably won't be using our phones with it, as it requires 1x Advanced. Which won't be implemented until after the Network Vision rollout in 2014. We'll have new phones around that time.
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HD Voice requires both phones/callers to support it.
By not requesting it on the GS3, Sprint has already killed off and made the feature useless.
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So, you think that Sprint didn't request it? It seems to me that they would want to tout as many HD Voice phones as possible. To only have the EVO 4G LTE is kinda lame.
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But then again, we probably won't be using our phones with it, as it requires 1x Advanced. Which won't be implemented until after the Network Vision rollout in 2014. We'll have new phones around that time.
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I thought that any area that has Sprint LTE is already a Network Vision site. They're stripping out all the old equipment and putting in newer 3G radios (that support Rev.b and 1x Adv) in addition to LTE radios. Is this not the case? Or is the current LTE deploy just the foundation for full NV that can be handled in software later once they get all the RF spectrum worked out.
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So, you think that Sprint didn't request it? It seems to me that they would want to tout as many HD Voice phones as possible. To only have the EVO 4G LTE is kinda lame.
I thought that any area that has Sprint LTE is already a Network Vision site. They're stripping out all the old equipment and putting in newer 3G radios (that support Rev.b and 1x Adv) in addition to LTE radios. Is this not the case? Or is the current LTE deploy just the foundation for full NV that can be handled in software later once they get all the RF spectrum worked out.
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1. Usually with this type of stuff, Samsung might develop the initial support, but there might be patent royalties associated with HD Voice. Samsung has no incentive to pay money out of pocket and develop it and put it in and pay more. Usually for things like this, the carrier is the customer, and it's up to the customer to pay for it.
Don't be mad at Samsung, this is just how the system works. The other carriers don't need the feature, so it was up to Sprint to ask for it by paying NRE. Be mad at Sprint for not wanting it.
Of course, the feature is just software. So there's no reason Sprint already hasn't paid for it and it will be released as an update in the future (just as Verizon said they will support GSM roaming).
2. Network Vision is much more than that. They're deploying Software-Defined radios on the towers. The initial rollout is LTE, but 1x Advanced will be rolled out later on the 800Mhz spectrum.
After the tower is built, it's technically just a software update.
Of course, every once in a while Sprint might need a hardware update as technologies evolve. Or install new antennas as they acquire more frequencies.
jnadke said:
1. Usually with this type of stuff, Samsung might develop the initial support, but there might be patent royalties associated with HD Voice. Samsung has no incentive to pay money out of pocket and develop it and put it in and pay more. Usually for things like this, the carrier is the customer, and it's up to the customer to pay for it.
Don't be mad at Samsung, this is just how the system works. The other carriers don't need the feature, so it was up to Sprint to ask for it by paying NRE. Be mad at Sprint for not wanting it.
Of course, the feature is just software. So there's no reason Sprint already hasn't paid for it and it will be released as an update in the future (just as Verizon said they will support GSM roaming).
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Interesting. Qualcomm's original model is that the license was part of the chip. For example, CDMA had patents, the codec had patents, etc, but if you bought one of their chips, the price of that part covered the patent cost. This was different than how others were doing things where a company would have to license the patent and then make the hardware themselves.
jnadke said:
2. Network Vision is much more than that. They're deploying Software-Defined radios on the towers. The initial rollout is LTE, but 1x Advanced will be rolled out later on the 800Mhz spectrum.
After the tower is built, it's technically just a software update.
Of course, every once in a while Sprint might need a hardware update as technologies evolve. Or install new antennas as they acquire more frequencies.
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So it is a multi-phase rollout? The equipment that goes in with LTE is the foundation? I figured everything is SDR these days. SDR makes things simple for upgrades.
It seems like an easy win for Sprint to take all of their MSM8960 based phones and push out an update for HD Voice when their side is ready. I'm hoping that they will do that with the Galaxy S3.