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Hi folks and greetings from Bulgaria.
I wondering are is possible some one to tell me how to increase avaliable RAM in my HTC Universal, because I used a new Garmin Mobile XT beta navigation software and he's like RAM eating machine.
Right now I'm with Helmi AKU3.3/ver 1.1 ROM - and I'm realy impressed from that ROM, but unfortunately after clean install my free RAM goes to 23.7 MB and this is not enough for Garmin XT - every time when a need to start application I must Restart.
Is it possible to edit Helmi's ROM and remove Page pool size in order to release more RAM ?
Thanks in advanced
agisofttm said:
Is it possible to edit Helmi's ROM and remove Page pool size in order to release more RAM ?
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You can definitely edit Helmi's ROM to increase or decrease the pagepool size. But based on my experiments, decreasing the pagepool size also decreases the speed, and yes you are right, it will increase the available memory for the apps to use, but you are scrificing the speed applications run. You can definitely decrease it to as slow as a turtle's running speed, if you know what I mean.
You can definitely edit Helmi's ROM to increase or decrease the pagepool size. But based on my experiments, decreasing the pagepool size also decreases the speed, and yes you are right, it will increase the available memory for the apps to use, but you are scrificing the speed applications run. You can definitely decrease it to as slow as a turtle's running speed, if you know what I mean.
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Yeap I know exactly what this mean.
So is there some other trick to release a 2-3 MB ermanently?
I use SKtools to optimize my Universal, but I've managed to release no more than 500kb.
agisofttm said:
Yeap I know exactly what this mean.
So is there some other trick to release a 2-3 MB ermanently?
I use SKtools to optimize my Universal, but I've managed to release no more than 500kb.
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I too have problems with memory, which led me to experiment more on some free apps out there. This is a personal trick I just recently learned from all the AKU 3 versions that are coming out that I have been trying out that I would like to share with you and everyone.
I will attach OXIOS Memory CAB file below my post, you need both Oxios Hibernate and Oxios Close Apps for this trick to work.
This is the theory for the increase of memory: basically what I wanted to happen is to only have 1 application running in the background no matter what. Thus, opening another app automatically closes the other app, even just pressing the OK button. Just like what a Palm device does with regards to application handling.
One draw back though, you are eliminating the ability of the WM5 device to run multiple applications at the same time.
OK enough of the explanations, here is what you have to do:
1st: Download the copy of OXIOS apps I provided.
2nd: Run the CAB file to install.
3rd: Go to Windows>Start Menu>Programs>Accessories.
4th: Copy the shortcuts for both Oxios Close Apps and Oxios Hibernate.
5th: Go to Windows>Start Up.
6th: Paste both Oxios Close Apps and Oxios Hibernate.
7th: Perform a soft reset.
Basically this would make WM5 behave like a palm device. You can now only open one application at one time, thus ensuring you have enough memory for your current application to run.
You don't even need to close any app anymore manually, since it is done automatically for you now.
There are some exceptions to this however and they are:
1: Contacts Application
2: MMS Application
3: Calendar Application
4: Phone Application
These 4 apps can be opened all at the same time without closing automatically, a good thing because you want them to work together when sending messages or files. Plus, you also want the phone on at all times.
Good luck and let me know if you prefer this solution or suggestion.
Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285091
cktlcmd:
10x Man - I'll inform you about the results
I've another thing in my head:
Actualy I was with Radio ROM 1.09 and there I was have only 21MB free after fresh install - after upgrading to Radio 1.13 free memory was 23-24 MB - now I see that is new radio ROM 1.14.10 on FTP - when I tryed I'll inform you about results
Greetings to all. For me in excellent under all characteristics HTC3300 there is only one unpleasant moment. After installation of all necessary programs there is no more of free memory than 24 mbyte. It is not enough for my needs. Even the program iGO cannot normally work with such memory size and takes off.
Somebody can help to solve to me this trouble and to release in RAM some mbyte? PLEASE!
The usual technique is to use an external memory card (well, sort of external. Not really very external on the Artmenis, but you know what I mean) to install your apps and only have the absolute minimum of apps installed in the actually device memory.
Take care of anything that needs to run at boot time, however, as it can frequently fail to start owing to the SD card driver being loaded late in the boot process.
Should be fine with SatNav however. Not familiar with iGo, but TomTom only takes a few hundred kbytes of internal storage, with the rest stored on the SD card.
Daern
thank you, but I know these common truths also itself. The decision on clearing RAM, hammered by the preestablished programs (or still than) from developers from HTC is interesting to me.
It's either you are doing something wrong or you really have a lot of programs installed and/or running. Remember that in a mobile device the closed programs are not released from memory and thus stay memory resident. You'll need a 3rd party program or go to Settings - System - Memory - Running programs to totally close the programs.
Thanks, but I already wrote, what not the full idiot in this sphere. I have a program closing (really) the programs on a dagger.
Simply you look, how many free RAM by the pure machine З300?
Plus, have in view of, that any installed programs (even on a memorycard) always reduce the size of operative memory.
You do not see a problem simply because you have old, tested S100...
if don't want, don't install all software that comes during customisation phase.
about memory, you need to read a bit to understand how memory is allocated.
all materials are public.
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Thanks, but I already wrote, what not the full idiot in this sphere. I have a program closing (really) the programs on a dagger.
Simply you look, how many free RAM by the pure machine З300?
Plus, have in view of, that any installed programs (even on a memorycard) always reduce the size of operative memory.
You do not see a problem simply because you have old, tested S100...
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I know English is not your mother tounge and it is very difficult to understand. We are all trying to help you out here. There are already quite a number of Artemis owners/users and no one has really complained about memory problems.
fdp24 said:
if don't want, don't install all software that comes during customisation phase.
about memory, you need to read a bit to understand how memory is allocated.
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Stick me, please, into these open materials. I could not see anywhere how to reduce or simply to change a set preestablished programs in my ROM since it is closed. And even in item anything is not present "Setting-system-removal of programs" for editing besides that I established.
And in russian:
Ткни меня носом, пожалуйста, в эти открытые материалы. Я нигде не смог увидеть, как уменьшить или просто изменить набор предустановленных программ в своей прошивке, т.к. она закрыта. И даже в пункте "Настройки-Система-Удаление программ" ничего нет для редактирования, кроме того, что устанавливал я сам.
zerimar said:
I know English is not your mother tounge and it is very difficult to understand. We are all trying to help you out here. There are already quite a number of Artemis owners/users and no one has really complained about memory problems.
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Yes, it's true. Maybe no one complained because (or/and) :
1. Did not load the device so strongly.
2. Do not use it with resource modules (for example, iGO).
3. Simply Russian ROM borrows in RAM more places, than WWE.
There may be other options.
On my clear Artemis was no more RAM as 30 mb. And on your?
Most probably this is what you are experiencing. Check out this thread hopefully to give you some idea. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287000.
you can search and find all answers to your questions right here, in a forum.
just search.
fdp24 said:
you can search and find all answers to your questions right here, in a forum.
just search.
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A personal thanks from the bottom of my heart, helped as well helped.
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Yes, it's true. Maybe no one complained because (or/and) :
1. Did not load the device so strongly.
2. Do not use it with resource modules (for example, iGO).
3. Simply Russian ROM borrows in RAM more places, than WWE.
There may be other options.
On my clear Artemis was no more RAM as 30 mb. And on your?
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Well, I' ve 67 aplications installed in a 2gb microSD, Tomtom and Igo2006 too.
my free ram is 23,83Mb. Everything runs well. The CPU is overclocked to 247 Mhz with xcpuscalar2007.
I've an ETEN device too, the M600, with the same aplication set.The free ram is about 29Mb, ROM however is double than Artemis, and is a little faster too. As somebody said already here, there's a method explained in this forum that permit to avoid load the extended ROM. I didn't try yet. Perhaps in that way it wil be possible to have more ROM and RAM in the device.
I've noticed that some boot programs like todays plug-ins are not advisable to Artemis. To unload programs in ram I use the HTC_X-Button, is small and efficient.
Becas said:
Well, I' ve 67 aplications installed in a 2gb microSD, Tomtom and Igo2006 too.
my free ram is 23,83Mb. Everything runs well. The CPU is overclocked to 247 Mhz with xcpuscalar2007.
I've an ETEN device too, the M600, with the same aplication set.The free ram is about 29Mb, ROM however is double than Artemis, and is a little faster too. As somebody said already here, there's a method explained in this forum that permit to avoid load the extended ROM. I didn't try yet. Perhaps in that way it wil be possible to have more ROM and RAM in the device.
I've noticed that some boot programs like todays plug-ins are not advisable to Artemis. To unload programs in ram I use the HTC_X-Button, is small and efficient.
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The matter is that at me RAM it is loaded by not working programs, and traces from installed programs (how to close current programs, I know). And my opinion, that loading on RAM is created first of all by booting HTC3300.
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Then I'm the next that is going to complain I also got a HTC P3300 and after a Hard Reset I have only 30 MB free RAM. The only programs I'm running is Wisbar Advance, SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Diary. In some reviews online I read something about over 40 MB, that would be perfect for me since I need 30 for my navigation software and 10 MB for my Shell und so on.
I've tried programs like SK Tools to free up RAM but that takes a loooong time and stops at about 25 MB, without that I have about 20. I hope someone a solution for that. I have a German P3300, don't know if that matters at all.
Hmm I never had 40Mb's of free ram. After a soft reset I have 26mb at most. After a few days the memory is down to 20mb.
what nav software do you use? tomtom and igo, for example, can be run from the card.
I use Klicktel, that's a German navigation software with white and yellow pages. So TomTom simply doesn't compare to that. It needs at least 20 MB, 30 is perfect.
But maybe I simply misunderstand a few things about Win Mobile 5, I used to have 2003 SE and was able to use the slider in the memory settings. When I install applications onto the device it gets installed in the flash memory which is not used as program memory, right? Cause I installed 4-5 programs to the device and I checked my main memory after evey installation and it didn't go down. After I soft resetted my device and the programs started (Wisbar Advance + SPB progs.) the memory went down to 20.
With my old TaskManager I was able to see all processes that were running but it doesn't seem to be compatible with Version 5 since there were only applications, no processes. I was wondering why this device has only 20-30 MB left of 64 MB, what did HTC do to the device? I could imagine that the phone part takes up some RAM, maybe 5 MB but what consumes to other 30 MB???
Hi all,
I have been suffering by this issue.
I do not have many program in my x01ht, only isilo, mbook, rescoviewer, rescoexplorer, PMcontact, pocket imformant HTC Home, Slide to unlock 0.72, CE-Star, CORG (some of them are installed in card memory)
Everytime after I soft reset my x01ht (offical WWE ROM), I have 26-27M program free
However, after running couple of apps., the program memory drops (of course), the problem is if the app. takes 5M of program, WM6 only release 2-3M memory after I close this app.
So, after half day using my x01ht , I must reset it once , otherwise there is less than 10 M program memory free inside, and I could not run more than 1 program or use PIE to surf internet
Does anyone know anything I could do to fix it ?
Or it just normal because it's based on "window" ?
Appreciated!
I use a small app called "Hibernate" to release closed program memory daily. It was installed already on my TNT rom, so do a search should to find it's cab.
Freeware Oxios Memory (containing Hibernate and Close Apps mentioned in above post) can be downloaded here.
Thanks so much Guys, but I also read from this forum, somebody said this program makes hermes device no more multi-task functions
Everytime users only can run one program...very weird.
Any other users tried this program on Hermes? (Offical WM6 ROM or Cooked ROM?)
Actually I am trying it now, but I have a question, what's the difference in function between Osios Hibernate and Oxios CloseApps ?
Thanks
Not even Oxios Hibernate can free all used RAM. It's an OS issue, called memory leak.
Hibernate - free RAM without closing apps.
CloseApps - Hibernate + Close all apps
DaVince said:
Not even Oxios Hibernate can free all used RAM. It's an OS issue, called memory leak.
Hibernate - free RAM without closing apps.
CloseApps - Hibernate + Close all apps
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Thanks so much,
I have found out something weird after I install this app.
It automatically closes my app. after couple of mins (after use) , even I only run ONE app.
And it closes app. when I run more than 3-4 apps at the same times immediately (after I run the 5th or 6th app. )
I thought Hibernate and closeapps functions when I click it , but not automatically close my apps., isn't it?
kinghung said:
Thanks so much,
I have found out something weird after I install this app.
It automatically closes my app. after couple of mins (after use) , even I only run ONE app.
And it closes app. when I run more than 3-4 apps at the same times immediately (after I run the 5th or 6th app. )
I thought Hibernate and closeapps functions when I click it , but not automatically close my apps., isn't it?
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They should work on demand - i.e. only when you run them by clicking the icon/exe. I am using these two apps for quite some time and never had such an experience you describe. Seems the culprit is something else in your case...
It's a natural WM behavior to close other apps when the system requires more memory. For example, you open up calendar, then you open up a game that requires a lot of memory, WM will close calendar automatically.
It's not the Hibernate/CloseApp app that's doing it.
DaVince said:
It's a natural WM behavior to close other apps when the system requires more memory. For example, you open up calendar, then you open up a game that requires a lot of memory, WM will close calendar automatically.
It's not the Hibernate/CloseApp app that's doing it.
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But before I installed this oxios memory, It didn't happen to me.
And after I uninstalled it, It doesn't happan again (I uninstalled it over 1 day)
So , it sounds a bit weird for me......I really have no idea.
But anyway, thanks so much guys!
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They should work on demand - i.e. only when you run them by clicking the icon/exe. I am using these two apps for quite some time and never had such an experience you describe. Seems the culprit is something else in your case...
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Thanks, so which one should I run when I see the memory is dropping to a very low level?
Hibernate or closeapps?
It sounds closeapps has both hibernate and closeapps functions , hasn't it?
kinghung said:
Thanks, so which one should I run when I see the memory is dropping to a very low level?
Hibernate or closeapps?
It sounds closeapps has both hibernate and closeapps functions , hasn't it?
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Answer to your first question: I do it even more often...
I prefer Hibernate.
You are right Closeapps closes the running programs and has hibernate function included. If these apps do not work correctly for you you can use commercial or freeware version of SkTools (it also cleans RAM apart from tons of other functions or also commercial MemMaid - that will let you clean tweak everything connected with memory in your PDA.
Oxios CloseApps doesn't close apps. I don't know if it's because it doesn't work with WM6.1 but when I use it all my apps are still running. Have to use QuickMenu's "close all apps" mode.
Hi everyone,
After a Soft-Reset with TF3D disabled this is what I get:
Program Memory
Total: 107.71 MB
In use: 56.13 MB
Free: 51.58 MB
I am using the EnergyROM for my Touch Diamondm build date July, 22nd.
The HTC Task-Manager shows the following Processes:
HTC Task-Manager said:
gwes.exe --- 11565kb Memory Usage
device.exe --- 3137kb Memory Usage
shell32.exe --- 1749kb Memory Usage
filesys.exe --- 1598kb Memory Usage
services.exe --- 1445kb Memory Usage
cprog.exe --- 822kb Memory Usage
dotTaskMgr.exe --- 96kb Memory Usage
connmgr.exe --- 88kb Memory Usage
NK.exe --- 1kb Memory Usage
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All of these running Processes are using added together 20,541 MB of RAM.
But remember what Windows Mobile said:
Memory in Use: 56,13 MB.
Less the 20,541 MB, which the running Processes are using, there are 35,589 MB, which are reservated or used, but not by running Processes. So my question is:
Who uses the 35,589 MB of RAM, without being shown in the Task-Manager?
Maybe some of you guys knows the Answer
Greets,
Felix
Its the ROM itself which is loaded in the RAM (i guess)..
i also want to konw
Services and things are also loaded into the RAM. There are more than just those processes running. And along with those processes are the images and extra files they use etc which are also loaded in the RAM.
For example the phone canvas - It runs off cprog.exe which says it only takes up 822kb of RAM when in reality it uses up about 8-10MB because of all the images it has to load.
Not to mention the page pool - If the chef runs a higher pagepool then you're RAM usage is going to be higher on boot.
OK, thanks. Is it possible to view the running services and deactivate some of them?
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OK, thanks. Is it possible to view the running services and deactivate some of them?
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Yes use dotfred's taskmanager. You can then view the services.
If you really want to save a sizeable chunk of RAM. Disable the HTC dialer and enable the Windows default one. You'll get about 10% back.
allready did that
felix you mean Kb not Mb. 20,000Mb = 20Gb and the phone cannot have that much!
, stands for 20MB and 541 KB
We dont use . or , to show "1000s" here.
we use it to show post decimal positions
dickenz said:
If you really want to save a sizeable chunk of RAM. Disable the HTC dialer and enable the Windows default one. You'll get about 10% back.
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How do you do that?
I also had a go with this version of EnergyROM but gave it up for now due to a lack of memory. When closing apps etc. the memory was never freed back up. I also found TomTom had problems after running for a little while. If there is an answer to this, I would switch back as it's the nicest ROM i've tried to date.
How can i see the detail of rom/ram & cpu in my htc hero
I wan to know whether my htc hero is prefect or not!
So i want to see the detail of rom/ram & cpu in my htc hero, but i did not see it. So how can i do?
the same about up
I just want to see the hardware detail in htc hero.
Hi all, after install WM6.5, it seem the RAM is always on high consumption. even I cancel the running program, the ram still not back to lower ratio. I have tried install some FreeRam program for WM6.1 but it seems doesn't work on WM6.5, anyone have new freeRAM program for WM6.5?
HTCAddicts.com's CleanRAM works fine in WM 6.5 (www.htcaddicts.com)
Hi,
Unfortunatly it does not work as the only thing it is doing is closing and restarting apps.
You can do this manually with pretty same results.
But the problem of WM6.5 or HTC Sense or whatever I don't know is Memory Leak concerning GUI handling. Take a look a gwes.exe memory consumption at start and then at the end of a regular use day with all apps closed. GWES.EXE will take twice memory than it took when you soft resetted.
And I think nobody has find a way yet to get rid of this problem.
Regards,
Thomas
tlefeuvre said:
Hi,
Unfortunatly it does not work as the only thing it is doing is closing and restarting apps.
You can do this manually with pretty same results.
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Regards,
Thomas
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oh, I did mean to use cleanRAM manually (actually, mode 3) ... guess you're technically right, tho
Thanks! I think use this better than nothing. About the final solution, it may need to wait the HTC update ROM to settle this problem.... so sad!!
try to make the shared memory smaller
this problem is caused by the shared memory.
HKLM/ Software /HTC / Resloader
look for that registry setting and recalculate it to half. that might solve your ram issues. I had to do it with my Kaiser running M2D. Fixed my problem when I set it to 3mb (1024 x 3 = 3mb.) You need to make sure that the math is correct so that you are not wasting any sectors. 1mb increments works well.
I would reserve at least 10mb for TF3D as opposed to the 3mb for M2D.
Use this at your own risk and make sure you backup first, in case you will have to do a hard reset.
also, in order to see actual memory usage for processes you should use the MS task manager, not the DF TaskManager. MS gives you accurate readings, while DF lets you close processes.
I just tried setting it to zero. no harmfull efects.
thanks for your advise, I don't know how to caclulate this but task manager could help. may I ask when can I found the task manager?