I'm on VP3G's WM6. The extended ROM shows about 8mbs free. If I unlock my Extended ROM, then does that mean it's an extra 8mbs of storage memory? Or program memory (which would be awesome). Is that how it works?
ThaiM said:
I'm on VP3G's WM6. The extended ROM shows about 8mbs free. If I unlock my Extended ROM, then does that mean it's an extra 8mbs of storage memory? Or program memory (which would be awesome). Is that how it works?
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You will get it as a storage memory. Although if it was possible to have it as a program memory that would be sweet
One thing I have experienced with the ExtROM unlocked and used for storage is that most of the things that use storage card (like PIE cache and Outlook storage) will use the ExtROM if it is mounted. Thise tweaks seem to choose the forst mounted external storage and the ExtROM comes before the storage card. Not sure if that is changeable.
KarhU said:
You will get it as a storage memory. Although if it was possible to have it as a program memory that would be sweet
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This might be a little misleading. The unlocked extended rom shows up like an additional storage card. It is not added to storage memory directly, but can be used instead of storage memory to install most programs. Hope this helps.
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Hello...
i've installed the latest scaps release, unhide and mounted extended rom...
One trouble..... it's impossible to delete files....
Have you some solutions for this???
webtime said:
Hello...
i've installed the latest scaps release, unhide and mounted extended rom...
One trouble..... it's impossible to delete files....
Have you some solutions for this???
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You have to CID unlock your device.
ThaiM said:
I'm on VP3G's WM6. The extended ROM shows about 8mbs free. If I unlock my Extended ROM, then does that mean it's an extra 8mbs of storage memory? Or program memory (which would be awesome). Is that how it works?
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I've done this, and installed several apps to the Extended_ROM folder (Skype for one). Works fine for me!
i'm having similar issues. I have a TyTN with Custel 1.3 (still). The device has been flashed many times w/o any problems.
I also can swap SIM cards without any issues (unlocked).
The Extended ROM can be made visible but if I set the attribute to Unlocked it doesn't seem to do anything. I can't save files nor delete anything from the Extended ROM. The device seems also significantly slower while the Extended ROM is visible.
I'm using HTweakC to unlock the extended ROM.
Any thoughts?
look for Olipro's
Look for Olipro's ext rom unlocker. Read up on the thread and try that, it resolved the issue for me. One note: I had trouble with ext rom when I intalled programs on it and let PIE and Outlook put their temp files on it and the ext rom space became full. At this point it became unusable and I couldn't read/write/delete anything from it or format it in any way. I'm not 100% positive this is why it happened, but I'm not trying that again to confirm!
It's stable for me.
The Extended ROM on both mine and my wife's TyTn are about 90% full and they seems perfectly stable.
We don't, however, have any temp folders in there - they're all on the card or in main storage. So maybe that's a clue?
p.s. Using vp3G's 3.0 OS.
HardSPL 2.10
SPL-2.10.Olipro
IPL-1.04
I am running WM6 Custel 1.3 ROM (haven't had time to update yet).
I can mount the extended ROM but nothing from it gets deleted (access denied).
Any other ideas? I've flashed/updates radio on the device w/o any problems, not sure why the extended rom stays locked. Using HTweak to unlock (which doesn't seem to work).
figured it out... had to SuperCID the device. Surprised it wasn't as it was sim unlocked and HardSPL.
But it's all working now!
Thanks!
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Hi all, flashing my last rom, I seen that the device wasn't upgraded, but old os remained into it...
I used mtty and task 32 : leve 0
task 28 says that os not found in memory
task 2a and info 8 tell me that all blocks are bad...
the device stasrt, windows runs, only, now I cannot reflash with other rom..
some helps??? suggestions???
bye!
ervius said:
Hi all, flashing my last rom, I seen that the device wasn't upgraded, but old os remained into it...
I used mtty and task 32 : leve 0
task 28 says that os not found in memory
task 2a and info 8 tell me that all blocks are bad...
the device stasrt, windows runs, only, now I cannot reflash with other rom..
some helps??? suggestions???
bye!
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ok, I've the solution, strange, but thrue.
I buyed yesterday a beautyfull, new minisd "4Gb", mounted it, and I discovered that if I run mtty with the 4Gb minisd into device, all blocks are bad
the rom wasn't updated into device if I flash one...
without minisd mtty give me all blocks ok, and flashing other rom, it will be uploaded into device...
ok, this is my cas, good also if someone have same problem, but my question now is, why with last 2Gb minisd this problem didn't present???
I flashed hundreds of rom with minisd iside and all ok...
my my new good, beautifull minisd 4Gb I spent a lot of time today to understand why all block were bad, this is the answer...
bye!
but the question still rests... why whit 2Gb sd all is ok, and with the 4Gb one not?!?!?!?
could this be part of the problem with ppl not being able to flash new radios to their device?
*sorry double post*
4Gb SD card MUST be a SDHC card, and these run on FAT32.... i think that might cause all problems...
Moaske said:
4Gb SD card MUST be a SDHC card, and these run on FAT32.... i think that might cause all problems...
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maybe, only I know that from yesterday I flashed 5 times again my ppc with different roms and all is ok if I remove it from slot!
ervius said:
but the question still rests... why whit 2Gb sd all is ok, and with the 4Gb one not?!?!?!?
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It didn't surprise me. To read files from the SD card, you need a hardware "driver" to communicate to the hardware and to understand the layout of the card, both physically - the SD/SDHC format; and logically, the file system on the card.
Remember, there is a distinction between the OS and the firmware - what an OS can do DOESN'T necessary mean that what a firmware can do, vice versa. Think it as the BIOS of your computer against your installed OS.
In this case, your WM6 can read SDHC because there's a SDHC driver in the OS. When you are doing an flash, all the vital functions that are needed are provided by SPL. If the SPL don't have the necessary "driver" - to read the SDHC, it will naturally bails out of the operations.
It's by design and is more or less expected. Period. Unless HTC is going to "update" their SPL to support SDHC as well, but who knows.
ww2250 said:
It didn't surprise me. To read files from the SD card, you need a hardware "driver" to communicate to the hardware and to understand the layout of the card, both physically - the SD/SDHC format; and logically, the file system on the card.
Remember, there is a distinction between the OS and the firmware - what an OS can do DOESN'T necessary mean that what a firmware can do, vice versa. Think it as the BIOS of your computer against your installed OS.
In this case, your WM6 can read SDHC because there's a SDHC driver in the OS. When you are doing an flash, all the vital functions that are needed are provided by SPL. If the SPL don't have the necessary "driver" - to read the SDHC, it will naturally bails out of the operations.
It's by design and is more or less expected. Period. Unless HTC is going to "update" their SPL to support SDHC as well, but who knows.
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ok, good answer!!
I know now...
I suffered the problem of bad blocks you mention with a defective 4GB mini SD (TopRam) and reported it in Pof's thread (unlock) two months ago. I was about throwing one SPV M700 out of the window. Hopefully, I removed the card at the last minute. The result was the same as you describe: no way to flash a new ROM. Partial flash seemed to work but then I realized the previous version was still there. Wen trying to flash the OS section in the rom, the Trini faded off.
I have had recently had another problem trying to update Radio Rom with no success (no mini SD and no SIM this time). I had Olipro's Spl v1.3. I installed Olipr's Spl v1.2 back (with SSPL) and could upgrade the Radio Rom.
Benzin said:
I have had recently had another problem trying to update Radio Rom with no success (no mini SD and no SIM this time). I had Olipro's Spl v1.3. I installed Olipr's Spl v1.2 back (with SSPL) and could upgrade the Radio Rom.
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I can confirm this.
My touchpad did not response correct so i decide to go back to the offical HTC ROM. The flashprocess finished at 100% with no error. After a reboot i can see that he radio was not updated.
After i go back to Hard-Spl 1.20 the radio rom i can flash the radio and the trinity accept it.
First I apologize for being lazy and not reading x+1 threads trying to find the answer.
I installed WM5 Storage thingie on WM6.1 and when I activate it, I get message from computer that says new bluetooth something installed but it has some problems working.
Question is, is there a program with what you can make the TyTN running WM6.1 to appear as removable storage card (especially the SD) on a computer?
Wiper said:
Question is, is there a program with what you can make the TyTN running WM6.1 to appear as removable storage card (especially the SD) on a computer?
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WM5 Storage (version 1.8) does exactly this on my tytn running CRC's v13.0 wm6.1 rom.
WM5 storage has never worked for me on Schap's, DVH, or PDACorner
There are some compatibility settings in the newest WM5 storage, I suggest trial and error with them.
mastermarv said:
WM5 Storage (version 1.8) does exactly this on my tytn running CRC's v13.0 wm6.1 rom.
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That's interesting, since I am too using CRC v 13.0 and it's a no go for me. The version is also 1.8.
if you disable RNDIS on activate it usually works.
Hi All,
Today I got my new TP2 and it looks great, but I think I have a problem with the memory.
In the Storage I have total 277.72MB and in the Program I have 187.61MB, as I understand its spouse to be 512MB/256MB?
By the way in the Device Information I have 512MB/256MB.
Please let me know if its OK?
Thanks,
Same with my one, Datamemory is 291,04 and Programmemory is 188,21.
I think it's because of prorams and system data that can't be deleted, so only the memory that you can completely use is showed.
=Crux= said:
Same with my one, Datamemory is 291,04 and Programmemory is 188,21.
I think it's because of prorams and system data that can't be deleted, so only the memory that you can completely use is showed.
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Thanks for very quick answer.
some storage space is used up by stock rom for the applications cooked in. these application use up some of your memory to run. the remainder is what you see once stock rom has booted and loaded! perfectly fine. future custom roms should require less memory to run and the apps cooked in will also use up less storage space. memory will improve and you will have more storage space.
Hello,
I would like to keep the maximum amount of RAM memory free for device use. If I install all my applications on an MicroSD card, (thus keeping the device's RAM clear), will this optimize performance?
Thanks
You can't install apps into RAM. You have 3 types of memory on your device and you seem to be mixing them up and causing confusion.
1. Program memory - this is RAM.
2. Storage memory - this is flash based memory on your device. The ROM is stored here.
3. SD card - self explanatory.
For best performance, you should install everything into program memory.
ohyeahar said:
For best performance, you should install everything into program memory.
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Don't you mean storage memory (i.e. ROM)?
You can't install programs in RAM. Program information is stored in RAM when the application is running thats the only time RAM is used. Therefore to conserve RAM make sure you close any active programs after using them. You could disable TouchFlo 3D and get a big chunk of RAM back.
On my Mogul I run a program called "Oxios Hibernate" that helps free up RAM from the crap that grabs it as it stays on over time. It helps a lot, but I still need reboots. On the TP2, it would probably work wonderfully.
Thanks for the reply, but the answer is still unclear.
Where should I install applications for best device performance?
Well, you can't install a programm onto the RAM. The RAM is used when you load a programm.
For example, imagine that you install a programm named "Text Editor". You can choose to install it on phone memory (Storage Memory) or on the SD card.
That does not uses RAM. But when you launch (use) the programm, then you use some RAM to launch it. Well, and then, when you close the programm, it does free the RAM used to launch it (or should be).
It's the same in a computer: you can install a game, which require some hard disk space. But to launch the game, you will generaly need some RAM.
So, you can choose to install a programm on SD card or on storage memory. The difference is that, when you want to launch the programm, access will be a little faster on storage memory than on SD card. But once the programm is launched, there isn't any difference any more.
Well, now, to keep RAM, you just need to minimise the programms runnings (for example, installing a screensaver will uses some RAM, as this programm will always be loaded). To do so:
- Don't install to many programms that keeps running all the time (like S2P)
- You can tweak your system and choose not to launch some services (like direct push, which uses 10MB RAM)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert.
And sorry for my poor english
Thanks for the detailed explanation, but the question is still open. To make sure we are on the same wave, the device has:
ROM - 512 MB
RAM - 288 (including 32 MB in the 'baseband' according to specs, whatever that is)
SD Slot - Storage up to 32 GB with a Micro SD card I would add
With this information, where should I install applications for best performance? It seems the 512 MB ROM is probably read-only (the operating system should sit here). So if I do not have an SD card, am I forced to install applications in the RAM? I assume I cannot install my applications in the ROM ("Read Only Memory"). My understanding is that the RAM should be kept as clear as possible to allow good performance, and thus programs should not be installed in it? What exactly is meant by "storage memory", the RAM or the ROM?
I am very familiar with PC concepts, but this one has confused me.
Thank you in advance
mail_e36 said:
Thanks for the detailed explanation, but the question is still open. To make sure we are on the same wave, the device has:
ROM - 512 MB
RAM - 288 (including 32 MB in the 'baseband' according to specs, whatever that is)
SD Slot - Storage up to 32 GB with a Micro SD card I would add
With this information, where should I install applications for best performance? It seems the 512 MB ROM is probably read-only (the operating system should sit here). So if I do not have an SD card, am I forced to install applications in the RAM? I assume I cannot install my applications in the ROM ("Read Only Memory"). My understanding is that the RAM should be kept as clear as possible to allow good performance, and thus programs should not be installed in it? What exactly is meant by "storage memory", the RAM or the ROM?
I am very familiar with PC concepts, but this one has confused me.
Thank you in advance
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ROM is like your hard drive on your computer. Also the hard drive on a phone. You can't install anything on your ram.
You install it on your SD card !!
So it looks like the ROM in this device isn't actually Read Only Memory like one would think?
jayr04 said:
ROM is like your hard drive on your computer. Also the hard drive on a phone. You can't install anything on your ram.
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Isn't it ROM, as in meaning it's non-volatile. i.e. if your battery dies, you are not going to loose what's stored in it...
Here's how I do things:
Essential utils like task managers, anything that runs in the background etc, MUST go onto the phone and not a card.
Anything I'd want to have regardless of the SD card inserted also goes on the phone. Media players and so on.
Games and large apps go on the SD where possible.
I also have another class: "apps that don't need installed". Some apps you can copy the install directory and just run the exe after a hard-reset. Only works with one that don't modify the registry much. I've figured out which ones of mine work OK and they sit on a special folder on the SD with shortcuts also set up on the SD card. Just copy the shortcuts into the Start Menu after a hard reset and you are set.
However, the TP2 has a huge internal storage area compared to my previous WM phones. Running out isn't going to be an issue.
sakshaug007 said:
Don't you mean storage memory (i.e. ROM)?
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Haha, you're right! I guess I got confused myself as well!
Anyway, install everything into storage memory!
mail_e36 said:
So it looks like the ROM in this device isn't actually Read Only Memory like one would think?
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it is ROM,
there are several tyopes of ROM. the ROM we are talking about is EEPROM (can be erased and programmed electrically - using software) or some say EEPROM is Flash Memory.
so,
ROM in the device is Read Only Memory (non volatile)
your SD CARD is also a type of ROM (flash memory) but an external one. So, ROM is basically where you store your data permanently and RAM only temporer when that data is in use (open, edited, etc).
Thank you to everyone who responded to my post, you were a lot of help.
it seems these phones dont actually follow the traditional fetch decode execute cycle that a computer does. instead of a hdd there is a eeprom or flash chip in the phone.. the rest of the cycle seems the same. it will be quicker running things from the device as appose to the storage card as the "busses" are faster however if you have loads of apps open yes device will slow down as the ram will be full everything thats happening goes in to the ram before it goes in to the cpu to be crunched. so you can fill your device with apps and it will nto make it slower, it will only be slower if you leave everything running using up all the ram. sorry naff reply lol
and use cleanRAm by htc adics its great!
ROM isn't the correct term to use anymore (it was back before WM5 where the ROM really WAS read only) (unless you were flashing) but is still used anyways. It is a flash chip that has partitions. After the OS and radio and everything is stored in, one more partition is made with all the space left over and that is where you install programs and save things to. RAM is never used to install programs (it was before WM5, but no longer).
use HtcAddicts cleanRam - is works verry well
Nice post. thanks for the file. So if you want to compare your phone's hardware to the equal function of hardware on your PC: ROM is like your internal hard drive; RAM is like your memory; and the storage card is like an external hard drive. Though keep in mind they really aren't the same, just performing comparative functions.
So if you want your phone to respond more quickly, you want as much free RAM as possible. The open applications and all the processes that are running are in the RAM. Limit those and your phone will respond better (by closing unused applications, running the previously mentioned program, etc.). How full your ROM or your storage card are do not effect performance (to my knowledge). However, applications installed on your ROM will be accessed more quickly than if installed on the storage card. So install all the programs you want on the ROM, there should be plenty of space. Put all your big files like pics and music on the storage card.
Hi there.
I'm having a very strange problem and could not solve it so far.
I have a T-mobile MDA III. When I wanted to install a new 4GB micro SDHC, I downloaded the patch, ran it on my MDA, rebooted, inserted the memory and it all worked perfectly.
Then I got an HTC P3300 (for spare) and wanted to do the same. Installed the patch, rebooted, inserted the memory... but the phone does not recognise it.
I than ran the "go back", rebooted, inserted the old 2GB memory but now the phone no longer recognises it.
So, the MDA works ok with 4GB memory.
P3300 does not recognise 4GB memory and after "going back" does not recognise 2GB memory.
Without memory the P3300 is pretty much useless.
Can anyone please shed some light on this, please....
Thanks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345038
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345038
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This is precisely where I got the .cab's.
And in my MDA everything works fine.
On the P3300 the 4GB memory is not recognised.
And after installing 'back2original', no memory at all is reconised, not even the 2 GB microSD (not SDHC) that I used before.
One more detail:
on MDA I have WM6
on P3300 I have WM5
Is there something specific to WM5 to teawk about?
Thanks.
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my advice is to try flashing to a differant rom..
with a few roms i too have not been able to access my memory card..
just flash to something else
click on my signature for Uspl 1.11.cmon
youl need that to flash roms
raving_nanza said:
my advice is to try flashing to a differant rom..
with a few roms i too have not been able to access my memory card..
just flash to something else
click on my signature for Uspl 1.11.cmon
youl need that to flash roms
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Yeah, I fear that's the only solution.
(btw, why old 2Gb sd cannot be accessed? what happened?)
I've been looking for the official WM6 rom from HTC but it no longer is on the site. Where can I find it?
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wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Artemis_Upgrades
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wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Artemis_Upgrades
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Thanks.
PS - Links to originals are broken, like a number of others.
Have you tried reading the card on the PC? See how it's partitioned and what kind of partition it is. Usually, you should use FAT.
I had this issue before (on my Polaris) and a format helped.
NeoS2007 said:
Have you tried reading the card on the PC? See how it's partitioned and what kind of partition it is. Usually, you should use FAT.
I had this issue before (on my Polaris) and a format helped.
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The microSDHC was (is) formated FAT32 with only one partition. On the PC it worked fine.
Anyway, I flashed a ROM (could not find HTC original WM6 though...), applied the patch and now the 4Gb micro SDHC is working.
Still, I could not explain why, in the first try, the old 2Gb microSD stopped working.
I recon it's working now?
NeoS2007 said:
I recon it's working now?
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Yep... but it was a real pain in the royal a**...