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Hello guys, I though it would be a good idea to list some of the best practices as far as cleaning up old files and general smartphone maintenance for the Dash and others.
So who wants to kick it off
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hmm besides the usual free memory button that i love to use.. my usual reg tweaks that i have done usually fix some stuff.. but i dont know too much else.. it isnt like you can defrag the b$%ch lol.
1. Free Memory
2. Celetask
3. SkTools --a must have
4. Restart (soft reset)
then Repeat lol!
Sktools - run auto clean then free ram
free memory
clear temp
reboot
The best way to clean all the crap up is to brew your own lite ROM. I just finished an Excalibur ROM based on the latest 20279 core. The homescreen looks like the S740 and the new dialer and comm manager are sweet! It works pretty well so far, but I wanna wait until tomorrow at least to release it to do some early beta testin...
looking forward to it !!!!!!!
Excellent post so far, I also use SK Tools and I have found it to be indispensable, with all the add/remove applications registries are updated and sometimes not re-updated when the applications are deleted. I suppose the best way would be to reflash your unit and load up all the apps you know you will use but that maybe a bit on the extreme side. I'm currently working on a list of all my apps and registration codes to quickly upload them to my unit just in case.
Here is the url for SK Tools http://www.s-k-tools.com/
I also personally love CeleTask not only as a quick launcher but a good tool overall
Can someone elaborate on their use of Celetask besides the "Free Memory" function.
Quick Tip for Celetask Status Bar
How to put the status bar to top?
Edit the Registry value HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\CeleTask\Flag, add the original value by 1 (e.g. 502 to 503)
enjoy
Anyone care to give a step by step on using SKTools? How, for example, does one autoclean? How else do you guys use it? I have version v. 3.1.9 installed, and also have SKTools Lite available, though not installed.
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Anyone care to give a step by step on using SKTools? How, for example, does one autoclean? How else do you guys use it? I have version v. 3.1.9 installed, and also have SKTools Lite available, though not installed.
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Auto Clean! should be in your start menu.
Nope... The only thing added to my Start Menu is SKTools. Within SKTools, I get to a screen where I can select various tools such as Clean, Optimize, Tune Up, etc...
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Nope... The only thing added to my Start Menu is SKTools. Within SKTools, I get to a screen where I can select various tools such as Clean, Optimize, Tune Up, etc...
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Oh i send you PM
Thanks man... I replied with a quick question.
Sk Tools
-Programs startup sequence management (device dependent)-
Hey can someone explain if there is a particular order that would be most beneficial
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Sk Tools
-Programs startup sequence management (device dependent)-
Hey can someone explain if there is a particular order that would be most beneficial
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SK Tools is the best program to clean up files, etc...
MikeD215 said:
.. it isnt like you can defrag the b$%ch lol.
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Or can you?
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WMRegOptimizer - v0.1, October 6, 2008
This small tool was originally inspired by this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432966
About
WMRegOptimizer is a small tool that tries to optimize registry access - "defrag" it, if you will. It doesn't perfectly defrag it, but it goes a long way. This results in somewhat faster registry access for applications where this is the bottle-neck.
So this speeds up my device?
Not really. It lowers latency for certain system calls, which may result in some things being a bit faster. It doesn't magically make your device faster, but it may be more responsive in some situations.
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Hi all, after install WM6.5, it seem the RAM is always on high consumption. even I cancel the running program, the ram still not back to lower ratio. I have tried install some FreeRam program for WM6.1 but it seems doesn't work on WM6.5, anyone have new freeRAM program for WM6.5?
HTCAddicts.com's CleanRAM works fine in WM 6.5 (www.htcaddicts.com)
Hi,
Unfortunatly it does not work as the only thing it is doing is closing and restarting apps.
You can do this manually with pretty same results.
But the problem of WM6.5 or HTC Sense or whatever I don't know is Memory Leak concerning GUI handling. Take a look a gwes.exe memory consumption at start and then at the end of a regular use day with all apps closed. GWES.EXE will take twice memory than it took when you soft resetted.
And I think nobody has find a way yet to get rid of this problem.
Regards,
Thomas
tlefeuvre said:
Hi,
Unfortunatly it does not work as the only thing it is doing is closing and restarting apps.
You can do this manually with pretty same results.
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Regards,
Thomas
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oh, I did mean to use cleanRAM manually (actually, mode 3) ... guess you're technically right, tho
Thanks! I think use this better than nothing. About the final solution, it may need to wait the HTC update ROM to settle this problem.... so sad!!
try to make the shared memory smaller
this problem is caused by the shared memory.
HKLM/ Software /HTC / Resloader
look for that registry setting and recalculate it to half. that might solve your ram issues. I had to do it with my Kaiser running M2D. Fixed my problem when I set it to 3mb (1024 x 3 = 3mb.) You need to make sure that the math is correct so that you are not wasting any sectors. 1mb increments works well.
I would reserve at least 10mb for TF3D as opposed to the 3mb for M2D.
Use this at your own risk and make sure you backup first, in case you will have to do a hard reset.
also, in order to see actual memory usage for processes you should use the MS task manager, not the DF TaskManager. MS gives you accurate readings, while DF lets you close processes.
I just tried setting it to zero. no harmfull efects.
thanks for your advise, I don't know how to caclulate this but task manager could help. may I ask when can I found the task manager?
Hi All,
I recently bought a touch pro2, it's running windows 6.5 and also has HTC sense, i stopped using sense and it free'd up 10mb on the program ram, however it was so buggy without it, for some reason, i enabled it again.
I have total 187.02mb Ram
in use: 136.99mb
Free: 50.03 mb
usually the free ram goes way down when i run an application, i currently have no programs running.
How can i increase the free space? I thought uninstalling programs and installing them onto my storage card would help, but it didn't. I'm new to the phone after a well deserved upgrade (it's been 6 years lol) I love the phone, however it's just a minor problem as sometimes it crashes and I have to take out the battery to start it back up again.
Any help would be appreciated.
I understand you can get Custom Roms, however I am quite happy with the stock, but its vodaphone, i don't know if theres any bloatware, lol and i like the facebook and all the softwares it has. I only want a minor tweak not expecting miracles, but maybe 10mb more or something on average.
Also I'm running the stock rom which is 1.86.161.0 I understand there is a newer one out, will thsi make it any faster?
You might have a memory leak somewhere, I generally idle around 57% and only hit 75% (50 mb free) with multiple programs open. You might have an issue with one of your programs causing a memory leak, what exactly do you have installed?
The new ROM may help out a little bit with your RAM usage. Also, SSK Dynamic Resource Proxy and NoPushInternet should help out if you want to try those before the new ROM.
right now im running at 74% and this seems to be the norm and even running into 80% if i open skype. basically if i open any program like camera asin 1 program at a time as well not multiple at one time, it regularly goes to 80%, I got no pushinternet, i even had cleanram, removed that cas didn't help that much as it would always go back to same old 74%, havent tried ssk dyanmic resource proxy. I am trying that now.
heres what i have installed:
*gets comfy*
Active syn
adobe reader
album
all peopel
audio booster
bubble breaker
calculator
calendar
camera
comm manager
contacts
email
excel mobile
fm radio
facebook
file explorer
getting started
google maps
htc calendar
help
internet explorer
internet sharing
jetcet presenter 5
mp3 trimmer
mail setup
marketplace
messenger
microsoft my phone
notes
02 sim
one note mobile
opera browser
phone
pictures and videos
pockettwit
pockettwit quickpost
powerpoint
quickgps
rss hub
remote desktop mobile
sim manager
sun java (gmail app in there too)
search phone
search widget
settings
skype
solitare
streaming media
tasks
teeter
text
voice recorder
windows live
windows media
word
worldcard mobile
youtube
that seems to have done it! thank you. I reset the device afterwards im running like 4 apps and its on 60% brilliant
You can also try this CAB, its not mine but I use on some ROMS, it improves a decent amount of ram if you would like to try it.
Hope it helps,
Kenichi
phoenixcg said:
that seems to have done it! thank you. I reset the device afterwards im running like 4 apps and its on 60% brilliant
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Sweet deal, glad to help out
trying that cab out as well, loll if it helps more, why not haha.
amazing its running at 55% with skype...wow haha, that feels right now.
Any idea if this would improve battery life, because if more apps were running surely it was using the cpu more or something?
I believe so, mostly I remember from the thread (forgot where it is now) is that it lowers much of RAM, but I am guessing the battery life will go up a little bit more but not much.
that improved by a percent so every little helps, hmm, the phone is on 60% anyway with wifi and 3g on all day, and plus pretty constant texting and email plus skype usage, so thats pretty alright, might try to push it tommorow. constant skyping, see how long it lasts.
Alright, I haven't been able to find anymore RAM tweaks that really improve anything, I'll post here again when something that works out.
I tried all of the above but I'm still sitting at 70% usage while idle =/
What ROM/Carrier?
Also when you continue to cache files for quick load your RAM will go up and stay up. Read the thread for joker's cab there is a lot of info about how your phone caches files.
Well Demonic240 you have to be running Manilla 2.5 or something to have such a big amount of ram running at 70%, although I have no problem with that what so ever because all your programs don't take that much RAM. If you were to have such problem with RAM then just switch to Titanium or even less RAM the windows menu screen.
Dear experts,
Since I'm using custom Roms (with 6.5 or 6.5.x), I was asking myself why for god's sake my Browser was supposed to close in the background while I was downloading a big file or why my Windows Live Messenger is always being closed while I'm not having the focus on its window ...
Well I'm now at the point to know that Windows Mobile loves kicking Applications out of the RAM, especially when having a high memory consumption ... BUT why does it do this to apps that obviusly are supposed to be also running in the background (messenger) and also, why does it start closing applications even with more than 10% of my Ram left? I thought Ram was used to store programs in it, not to keep it empty and clean ...
So, is there ANY way to disable this "feature" that kills the possibility of multitasking? Or at least any chance to prevent Windows from always killing WLM and Opera? I already found "EverApp", but it doesn't work too nicely ... The added programs are still being closed and I cannot reopen then, as they are still present inside my memory ...
Thanks in advance!
Edit: And I totally wouldn't mind having the errors related to disabled memory management, as I have cleanram and a task manager to do that myself and would prefer it to have it that way
I am looking for a solution to this as well.
I am using an HD2 with 576MB enabled, and IMO it's unreasonable for WM (6.5.5) to close application ad libitum if I keep open:
1) tomtom
2) navicomputer
3) mortplayer
4) acr base (a background process that automatically record received and made calls)
With 576MB total ram, even with the memory taken by the OS, it's unlikely for the ram to be unsufficient to run these tasks at the same time... instead, it should be able to run at least other 2 application and have yet more to spare.
Asking the developer of the call recording software to make it into a service could be a way (and I already did), yet I cannot really have navicomputer made into a service, let alone mortplayer, and those got closed by WM as well while I was driving (imagine the trouble I had to go to start them again while holding the steering wheel, lucky me it was in a semi-traffic-jam).
Isn't there any setting to reduce the occurence of this behaviour? Has the page pool value have something to do with it in any way?
EDIT: just digged some more in the concept of pagepool. So I know what it is and how it works. Yet the mistery deepens, afailk the default pp on the leo is 15mb, some cooks set it to 22-24mb, yet very far from the ~270mb free program memory I get after boot... starting tomtom, navicomputer, mortplayer, and having acrbase in background amounts to less than 15MB of ram, go figure if it makes any sense that with 276mb starting free ram WM should close any of these apps... maybe it's all the other way, and I should have a bigger pagepool to accomodate all those applications at the same time?
pagepool is for system processes (i.e. inaccessible to you). increasing pagepool would only result in *less* memory available for your user processes, such as tomtom, navicomputer, etc.
unfortunately i have been looking for a solution to this problem for many months and it is, as far as I can tell, impossible to solve. this is, imho, the worst thing about windows mobile. they did not correctly design the core operating system and created this ugly, ugly hack to prevent the system from crashing when it runs out of memory, and as a side effect it closes your programs without saving any of their data.
an equally ugly workaround is to use XTask, and "hide" the processes that you do not want closed. you see, if they are not visible in task manager, then windows mobile does not auto-close them. they are still running and in the process list, just not the task manager list. in order to hide a process in xtask, you open up the task manager list, long-press on the task you wish to hide, and go to Other->Hide. In order to make a process visible again, you have to find it in the Process list, click on it to view its windows, and long-press on the main window of that process and choose Show. You have to do this very quickly because windows closes background tasks and not the active task, so when you open XTask, it becomes the active task and the one you are trying to hide becomes backgrounded. you have about 5 seconds to hide it before it closes. its a very convoluted process but it works. i can get my music started in kinoma, hide the task, and then open up Garmin. As long as garmin stays in the foreground everything can rock along indefinitely.
Yes, that's sounds literally obnoxious, a workaround which would be just right for a setup with an htc alpine running wm 6.5 maybe... absolutely not acceptable for devices such as rhodium or leo which have plent of resources.
I stillw onder though, I have no idea about total/free resources on tpro2, yet with ~280MB free ram, and only 15mb worth of applications in ram loaded subsequently, how can windows mobile "decide" it needs to close either one of them?
I'd like to think it was just something weird going on with that particular session, that maybe got solved after a reboot, yet I have mno way to confirm it, as I didn't need to load the same amount of applications since then
I actually have the opposite problem on my HD2 running Miri's roms -apps don't close themselves down at all most of the time, which means when I have about 5 "windows" worth of programs open (ignoring other stuff I have running as a processes), or 1 Opera Mobile 10 window my HD2 starts behaving weird and gives me errors everytime I try to start up another app unless I shutdown said memory intensive app.
Might be because I use Ameba to close down any apps I'm not using (always)... or maybe because I've set the glyph cache to 524kb like suggested in the HD2 tweak article on Pocketnow.
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Yes, that's sounds literally obnoxious, a workaround which would be just right for a setup with an htc alpine running wm 6.5 maybe... absolutely not acceptable for devices such as rhodium or leo which have plent of resources.
I stillw onder though, I have no idea about total/free resources on tpro2, yet with ~280MB free ram, and only 15mb worth of applications in ram loaded subsequently, how can windows mobile "decide" it needs to close either one of them?
I'd like to think it was just something weird going on with that particular session, that maybe got solved after a reboot, yet I have mno way to confirm it, as I didn't need to load the same amount of applications since then
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The storage manager doesn't necessarily decide to close things based on free program memory (of which you clearly have a ton), but also based on free virtual memory. You only get 32 MB per process, and if you load a bunch of dll's for resource heavy applications, you can run low on virtual memory. This is a good read on the issue. You can run virtualmemory.exe with some of your apps running to see if this is the problem.
def bookmarking this thread! i had similar questions!
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I actually have the opposite problem on my HD2 running Miri's roms -apps don't close themselves down at all most of the time, which means when I have about 5 "windows" worth of programs open (ignoring other stuff I have running as a processes), or 1 Opera Mobile 10 window my HD2 starts behaving weird and gives me errors everytime I try to start up another app unless I shutdown said memory intensive app.
Might be because I use Ameba to close down any apps I'm not using (always)... or maybe because I've set the glyph cache to 524kb like suggested in the HD2 tweak article on Pocketnow.
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I'd actually LOVE to have your same "problem"
Since WM is all about "having control", at least more than what you get with other "commercial" phones, I would prefer very much to decide which apps to keep open, which ones to *manually* close to free resources.
Just like I do with my desktop pc (did, actually... since 4GB of ram are truly hard, for my use, to fill up to the critical point even starting a ton of programs at the same time)
Farmer Ted said:
The storage manager doesn't necessarily decide to close things based on free program memory (of which you clearly have a ton), but also based on free virtual memory. You only get 32 MB per process, and if you load a bunch of dll's for resource heavy applications, you can run low on virtual memory. This is a good read on the issue. You can run virtualmemory.exe with some of your apps running to see if this is the problem.
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thank you for the enlightening reference, I was actually curious to know the real reason behind this!
EDIT: (some minutes later) really interesting read, even without the need to dive into the huge two-page article linked from that page. Now at least I *know* the cause of this, and regarding this Leo I feel like having bought a ferrari which can only be fueled with a second grade combustive which can only output 50HP when in reality the engine is capable of 200. Something which is the contrary of what I was expecting from a WM device when compared to its fashion and more commercial equivalent so dear to some.
Which leads me to be curious about aussiebum's situation, where instead he appears to be able to keep opening programs without any automatic-close behaviours. It may still very well be that in the occasion where I had autoclosing problems with only a handful of apps open and running, there was something gone wrong that was solved with a reboot, I have yet to find the time and willingness to recreate the setup
so there wont be any solution for this quite anoying bug/feature?
-.-
HD2
I have a stock TMOUS HD2 and it seems to have a max open programs set to 7 somewhere and it doesnt matter how memory intensive the program is. it does get mighty slow though!
Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Thank you for pointing us to yet another pearl of usefulness of your code
I will test it and I think I should be able to report the result in at least a week.
If the 15MB lower limit and 20MB upper limit do work on Leo as well, I think I will be able to start more applications together than I will ever need
EDIT: didn't make my leo explode, yet it didn't have the desired effect, alas. I could apparently keep starting apps one after another, then at a certain point I always got a system error notification about not being there enough free ram, and that for anything I tried starting no matter what it was, not even WM task manager. Even if I tried bringing back on top the already started apps by clicking on their icons gave the same error.
I uninstalled, restarted, and tried without it, and set battclock showing the free MBs of ram available. Well, after boot I have 270MB free, believe me or not I couldn't get lower than 214MB free, it kept closing down applications. That is just plain, utterly, abominously, scandalously STUPID.
Chainfire said:
Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Gonna try this to...hope with more sucess.
>edit< ....unbelievable. IT WORKS...was searching months for a working app/tweak. Thanks chainfire...Donation is coming (=
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I might have managed to get my HTC HD2 from closing my application. I have downloaded Advanced Configuration Tool There is a section in this application called HTC Task Manager. In there I disabled Auto Kill. Only time will tell I guess.
Davearia said:
I might have managed to get my HTC HD2 from closing my application. I have downloaded Advanced Configuration Tool There is a section in this application called HTC Task Manager. In there I disabled Auto Kill. Only time will tell I guess.
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Restored a backup, to ensure that chainfires tweaks arent present.
Ure way didn't work for me.
After the 6th and 7th opend app, taskfacade & than s2p closes.
Test that:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\LowMem]
"ProgramMem"=dword:0
j4n87 said:
Gonna try this to...hope with more sucess.
>edit< ....unbelievable. IT WORKS
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dang, you were luckier than me.
How did you test it exactly? Up until what free ram amount could you go to?
As I said in my previous post, I can apparently open as many apps as I want until the point I get the system insufficient memory error, and once there I cannot start anything at all, not even a task manager
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Test that:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\LowMem]
"ProgramMem"=dword:0
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I don't even have that key... so I suppose it's not for leo's purpose
Well, you have to keep in mind, AutoClosePatch only helps when the problem is actually the free memory.
An explanation what may also be going on is here: http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...ying-the-virtual-memory-monster/#entry1250151
What is comes down to is that the _virtual_ memory management may run into "no available memory" even though there is more than enough _actual_ memory available, and can be dependant on the amount of DLLs and executables loaded. It is a tricky subject to fully understand, but there are a myriad of reasons why this error can occur (and AutoClosePatch only fixes one, that nevertheless is often the problem). Most of these "other" reasons are due to how WM (or our base version of CE, rather) is built. Most of these issues are fixed in later versions, of course (we are now two revisions of CE farther), but unfortunately we won't see that until WP7, which, well....
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Well, you have to keep in mind, AutoClosePatch only helps when the problem is actually the free memory.
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whoops, yes, silly me; thanks for reminding me of that fact, I actually have delved a little into the problem of 32mb virtual memory limit under CE 5 core, which alas is the base for 6.5.x as well (and which is a different matter than "free ram"), and for an optimistic while I thought your utility could overcome that, forgetting you clearly stated in your blog that it addresses only the free physical ram issue.
But since I get auto-closing problems starting from more than 210MB *free* ram, it's definitely a virtual memory issue, so technically your patch doesn't interfere with that.
My TP2 (winmo 6.5) is running painfully slow atm - it can take 10-20 seconds do do something like load my inbox or an email..
On a quest to speed it up I was looking at the memory in use:
Total: 187.41mb
In Use: 151.36mb
Free: 36.05
which is when the device is idle with no open apps.
36MB of free memory seems appallingly low to me.
Im sure on winmo 6.1 there was a slider you could adjust how much memory is allocated to storage and how much to programs. did I imagine this or how do i find it now?
I have 259.2MB of 'Storage' memory, of which only 30MB is used, hanging onto the rest is a big waste.
Or - is there a better way to speed things up? (like install android? )
You can look through a couple other posts stating very similar characteristics. Two popular programs are the SSK Dynamic resource proxy and NoPushInternet. Both can help reduce RAM usage significantly. Another program you should look into is CleanRAM, which will clear any stacks that might not have been closed when the program was ended. If you need help finding the CABs let me know and i'll post them up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676277
Well I dont know which 6.5 your running but I have switched ROMS myself, I was using the EU rom for the past couple of months, and anytime I got under 40MB free memory, the TP2 would run slow and odd, I recently switched over to the SEA rom, put the exact same programs on and as of right now I am running at 27MB of free ram with nothing running, and its just as fast when its fully loaded and I have almost 87MB of free ram. but its taken 4 days to drop to 27MB, odd.
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You can look through a couple other posts stating very similar characteristics. Two popular programs are the SSK Dynamic resource proxy and NoPushInternet. Both can help reduce RAM usage significantly. Another program you should look into is CleanRAM, which will clear any stacks that might not have been closed when the program was ended. If you need help finding the CABs let me know and i'll post them up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676277
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Yeah, also by reducing the ShareMemSize (HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy) to 0. So I read somehwere!
BioTecK said:
Yeah, also by reducing the ShareMemSize (HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy) to 0. So I read somehwere!
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Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what the "dynamic resource proxy" cab does. I don't have my TP2 with me at the moment or I'd test to confirm.
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Im sure on winmo 6.1 there was a slider you could adjust how much memory is allocated to storage and how much to programs. did I imagine this or how do i find it now?
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I'm afraid you are showing your age, so far as I know that slider hasn't been used since before WM5. With WM5 they went to using NVRAM for storage (flash memory if you prefer). Prior to that all WM used RAM for storage - which meant they could not be turned off without clearing everything! But in those versions (I remember WM2003 in particular), you could allocate where the ram was used - storage or programs.
I often think that in some ways those older OS were faster. I remember my XDA mini working very fast. When MS switched to non volatile storage, I think they lost a bit of speed - flash is not as fast as RAM. Of course they gained the fact that you don't have to worry about turning off the power and losing your files!