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Hi,
I am sure you've been discussing this topic million times, but I'm new in this forum and I'd like to get a good idea on subject PDa's.
In few weks I will buy one, I don't need at all UMTS, on the other hand I may find GPS very useful (I've read, in this forum as well, that P3300's GPS is more performing than P3600's); for this reason I'm heading towards P3300, but I heard that many are complaining about the processor (200 vs. 400 Mhz).
Any suggestion?
Part from processor (is it really a great problem to have 200 Mhz on P3300?) and UMTS, which are the main differences between these models?
How is it possible? More than 120 persons read this post and nobody wasl able to tell me the major differences between P3300 and P3600 part from UMTS, processor and GPS?
Because the information is right in front of you, on this site and on millions of other sites.
Look at all the different bits of info and make your decision from there! No-one is going to come here to tell you what to buy.
HPJ said:
Because the information is right in front of you, on this site and on millions of other sites.
Look at all the different bits of info and make your decision from there! No-one is going to come here to tell you what to buy.
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Thank you very much for your aprreciated kindness; then if you tell me where is "in front of you" I will be even happier; is it too difficult, or are you too intelligent to show me that? Don't you think that maybe in the world there's somebody who's not as expert as you and needs suggestions? Is it a too deep thought for you?
I don't need anybody telling me buy this or buy that, just if there are other differences part from the ones I cited.
there are loads of threads discussing this topic in both forums.
use the search!!
also, why don't you go into the stores and try out the devices for yourself! i too thought the p3600 was gonna be for me but once i tried them side by side the orbit was much more appealing.
go search.
Have you head, fingers and eyes? SEARCH! Do you read? READ!
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Spare him a thought....he may be used to being 'spoon-fed'
Just copy and paste this "P3300 vs. P3600" in search and you will find the answer.
Size, Number of buttons, bus frequency, CPU, Jog Wheel, GPS, FM-radio,RollR, GSM, UMTS
Advantages of 3300: 1.better GPS chip and preinstalled quick-GPS 2.FM-radio, though it's sensitivity is very low 3. It has more hardware buttons, it's convinient as U can preset them as U wish. 4. Small size is the best it's value.
Advantages of 3600: 1.CPU-400Hz, 2.Bus frequency is 32Hz, not 16, therefore it is much faster 3.Jog-wheel and additional OK-button on side 4. it's more suitable if you gonna use several tasks at a time.5. UMTS might be useful in close future 6. Joystick is more habitual, more reliable(I have already had my RollR repaired though I possess my gudjet for couple months), and more usefull in games etc.
However, it's up to U to decide. If I were U, I would choose Trinity, in my opinion it is more modern
It's pretty simple. The 200 Mhz CPU is main disatvantage of the P3300. On the other side: If you don't play heavy 3D games it doesn't really matter. The P3300 is fast enough for everyday Windows work and navigation. For me the P3600 is a design desaster. The plastic looks really cheap. Just try both devices and make your own mind about them
cpu on p36 is not much faster. you can not compare p33 and p36 cpu because it is two completely different technologies. crappy gps chip on p36. crappy design.
buy it, use it for few days, and surely you will come back to store and change it to another device
Yes I agree. Samsung and Omap Platforms are not comparative through the CPU core frequency.
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One small note. 16Hz and 32Hz? It won't be a Hz. Do you think BUS width in bits perhaps.
Thank you very much Nemo8, the Only one, fdp24 and cosinusx.
The others could, at least, avoid wasting space in this forum with their craps!
I can not go in any shop (I am always around the world for business and currently I am in a country where they don't sell them).
I think that a forum is meant to help each others with adivses, if this is not the case in this forum I will not disturb you anymore!
orientale said:
Thank you very much Nemo8, the Only one, fdp24 and cosinusx.
The others could, at least, avoid wasting space in this forum with their craps!
I can not go in any shop (I am always around the world for business and currently I am in a country where they don't sell them).
I think that a forum is meant to help each others with adivses, if this is not the case in this forum I will not disturb you anymore!
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I tell you those people who talk (unhelpfully) smart and rubbish are not the smart people after all! Thats a fact so just ignore them.
nm8 said:
I tell you those people who talk (unhelpfully) smart and rubbish are not the smart people after all! Thats a fact so just ignore them.
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I absolutely agree! Thanks!
nm8 SMART GUY
nm8;
SMART MAN!
What did you do smart for the forum or others?
orientale;
if you ask the question learn to listen. otherwise don't bother use search, if you know how to do it.
...clowns...
The only thing people speaking "rubbish" in this thread mean is: first use search.
It's common knowledge around forums to use search first and then ask questions. If not you get numerous threads asking the same question over and over again.
fdp24
There are lot of tests in net carried out by numerous softwares confirming the fact the gudgets based on OMAP are very slow...though there exist battery status...
cosinusx
You're right, 32 bits width in 3600 and 16bits in 3300
orientale
One important thing left unsaid is that 3600 supports mini SDHC cards on customized WM6 ROMs made by lvsw and mun.There are sdhc drivers for Trinity&WM6 OS. As to 3300, it is yet unclear if it gonna support sdhc format or no. Ciao.
Sjaool said:
Just copy and paste this "P3300 vs. P3600" in search and you will find the answer.
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This is for you, before writing rubbish, inform yourself!!!
As you can see the clue given by you didn't give so many results!
Fora does not need your rubbish-topics!!!
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orientale Today 03:58 AM
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Why I like the P3300:
I like the HTC Rollr, its much more effective than a normal navigation pad if you want to scroll through lists very fast. Of course you can change the rep. speed of your nav pad manually in the system settings but you would have to change back and forth if it is too fast or slow. Also the Rollr-Ball doesn't make any sound if you go into any direction, sometimes usefull for me not to make any clicking sounds. Disadvantage is that you can not press and hold into any direction, for example for playing certain games.
The screen is also very good, brighter than my old Ipaq rx3715 which is already pretty bright. Eight hardware buttons on the front are excellent for handling the device. Only the GSM sound sucks sometimes, I hear mainly low frequencies but this applies only to half of my phone calls, I think mobile to mobile, but don't rely on that info.
The only thing that really sucks is that the Micro-SD card is under the battery and even under the SIM card. The CPU power is low but not too low for me, I'm not playing too much any more. The P3300 is a business phone and not a gaming device, I think they designed it for that purpose and did a pretty good job.
What I like about the P3600:
It has Mini-SD instead which is available at 4 GB much cheaper than Micro-SD and the car-jacket is outside and not under the battery. So I could swap my cards if I had this.
Only other thing I would want is the 400 Mhz processor, I don't care for UMTS at all.
What sucks about both devices:
No standard headset plug.
I bought the P3300 only because I knew that Win Mobile 6 was going to be released for it. If I knew that the P3600 would have it too I'd probably have taken the P3600. Now I only regret having the P3600 because I can't swap my memory card quickly, besides that there is nothing bad about it.
Hello experts,
I always wonder if there's any way that we can get the informations (id, phone signal strength, bcch ...) from all the surround cells in Windows mobile 6 (with C#/C++ on my HTC touch HD). With RIL, we can only extract the info of current cell, but not the neighbors.
I'm inspired by this thread which was created in the forum by binary64:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=610759
However without the code i still haven't figured how did he extract the values of the 6 towers...
Base on the research i've done, it seems impossible to get the real neighbors cell ID, however i'm really interested in the phone signal strength, bcch... that are possible to get. (as fieldtest.exe or what binary64 demonstrated)
Any idea would be precious to me, thank you very much
Delele thread
Sorry i made a mistake in posting the thread, moderateurs please delete this thread for me,
The good thread is here forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655076
Hello
I am waiting for my SGN to arrive, i was looking at this forum and saw something about NFC Stickers/Tags?
How does it work, is it something like.
You program sticker(with your phone?) -> U scan sticker -> Phone due a background task, fx. starting music on a hifi or something?
Is that it? I am a hobby developer, and this seems to be really really fun to play with.
So what do i need to buy, where can i get the right stickers? Preferably amazon.co.uk or european stores.
Yeah you've got the basic idea. You can program a tag to hold simple information like URLs or vCards. Things like that. The power really comes when you use a tag to activate a task on your phone like you mentioned. Think of them like an alternative to QR codes.
You can get them lots of places online or on ebay. Stay away from the low frequency ones as I've heard they don't work as well (or at all).
Here are some threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428226
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440293
LOTS of information out there. Just read through the forum.
and places where Android/Google products fail to address user needs time and time again?
What do independent ROMS/kernel do that Google products aren't tailored to do, or say an unlocked nexus wouldn't be able to do?
What makes android such a great product over say apple (form a dev/programmer/designers 's POV)
zetsui said:
and places where Android/Google products fail to address user needs time and time again?
What do independent ROMS/kernel do that Google products aren't tailored to do, or say an unlocked nexus wouldn't be able to do?
What makes android such a great product over say apple (form a dev/programmer/designers 's POV)
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well, if you aspire to be a programmer, developer, you should have a working knowledge of how any piece of technology operates, the software that handles that wonderful piece of fiberglass, tin, copper and all sorts of fun stuff is usually limited first to the equipment manufacturer, and second to the carrier on which the phone is on. What this means is they gave you a fancy computer that can do all sorts of crazy stuff but they decided it would be unethical so they (in gamers terms) "nerfed" it. Anywho, the only real difference between apple and android is really the way they talk. That being said both apple and android are UNIX based operating systems. Which basically (but not totally) means that they are the same.
What custom ROMS/Kernels allow you to do is take control of the hardware and how it operates. Which means you can do things like emit different frequencies to say, make a car alarm go off; or control the hertz on your processor (make it go faster). Unfortunately, most of the children just want the latest version of android on their phone to look cool.
That being said, a developer and a designer would really have no use for a custom rom, Maybe the developer can keep the files in his phone LOL. However for a programmer, this is a really fun toy. the phone can almost interact with any piece of technology weather it be the new RFID chips in busses and credit cards, wifi, bluetooth, and the obvious radio frequencies.
in conclussion, unless you are developing/programming something that is android specific, or uses some sort of obscure technology within the phone that cant be normally accessed, it essentially useless to have a custom ROM (from a "professional stance"). For the last, I'm not entirely sure what a designer would use it for, maybe to take pretty pictures of the entities they will draw for my manipulation.
There are plenty of devices around, but we are lost with a simple task - how to get a device with steps, hr and sleep data accessed directly from a device?
In general we wish to find a device with a very simple developers' manual where there is a description how to get a specific data from a device using only a BT. So no additional apps need to be installed on Android, no cloud solutions sending data somewhere to USA, China and similar.
We tried:
1. Angel sensor wristband - they closed their business
2. Microsoft band 2 (they have their own app, but still..) - they abandoned the product
3. Pebble watch HR - you know the story
4. Mi band
Now we are w/o options and I really wonder:
1. Why every device maker provide their own application (usually with very low quality) which sends data to cloud? Is it:
1.1. because they analyze the data and sell it to some advertisers?
1.2. because they wish to establish Apple like - echo system? C'mon if Apple did it there is no proof that FitBit, Jawbone, Misfit or .. (put a name into it) will do it.
So my question is: is there any device with a small direct access description? We do not need an API, we just need a protocol description..
Why we need that - there are some regulations which forbid to send data somewhere w/o control (like seniorscare, eHealth, military). It is frustrated that we can support more than 100 sensors with out iotool.io smartphone IoT gateway, but no wearables
Any suggestion?
SenLab said:
We tried:
1. Angel sensor wristband - they closed their business
2. Microsoft band 2 (they have their own app, but still..) - they abandoned the product
3. Pebble watch HR - you know the story
4. Mi band
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What's the problem with Mi band and Pebble?
SenLab said:
Now we are w/o options and I really wonder:
1. Why every device maker provide their own application (usually with very low quality) which sends data to cloud? Is it:
1.1. because they analyze the data and sell it to some advertisers?
1.2. because they wish to establish Apple like - echo system? C'mon if Apple did it there is no proof that FitBit, Jawbone, Misfit or .. (put a name into it) will do it.
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I suppose it's because a very small market. Microsoft has decided not to catch users with their bands - it shows us the value of the market for big boys.
chinesesmartwatch said:
What's the problem with Mi band and Pebble?
Pebble bankrupted. It is hard to get Pebble2 HR, no support; it is a new product, so we are not aware about possible firmware bugs etc.
Xiaomi has three wristbands - all three closed. It took us 3 weeks to support one of them . With good documentation the estimated time to make our iotool.io extension for specific sensor: a few hours.
I suppose it's because a very small market. Microsoft has decided not to catch users with their bands - it shows us the value of the market for big boys.
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I agree, however there are hundreds of wristbands around from small manufacturers. Every wristband has its own application with rating on Google Play around 2/5. So it is possible to connect it to Android phone. But there is no documentation about comm. protocol. So wristband manufacturer made a bad application which is bad for business, but still don't wish to provide documentation. I think that is a bad decision (don't wish to use stronger words here )
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there are hundreds of wristbands around from small manufacturers. Every wristband has its own application with rating on Google Play around 2/5. So it is possible to connect it to Android phone. But there is no documentation about comm. protocol. So wristband manufacturer made a bad application which is bad for business, but still don't wish to provide documentation.
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Have you tried to contact manufacturers? It seems that another application for their wristband, which is delivered for free, should be interesting enough. But the problem is to find a proper person, who has some motivation for supporting such offers. Most chinese manufacturers are screened with relatively dumb marketing stuff and their internal bureaucracy is horrible. Aliexpress sellers sometime can provide some pieces of documentation, but it's in chinese and not complete. However, googletranslate can help to get some protocol details. Also it is useful to reverse engineer their applications, but it's very time consuming. Another problem here - how to chose a device without any idea about it's sensors quality and even about the presence of some sensors that often are just virtual things and only able to load some trash from internet.
But if you are a paid worker of iotool.io then may be it is possible to convince your boss to spend some money on a serious screening of at least some manufacturers. Some bracelets are very cheap (5$) and in case of presence of a good application the market share can be very big.
Thank you for your help. I'm a CEO of SenLab, maker od IoTool. And believe me, we invested a lot of resources into that. But, there is no real support, firmware change, models change and similar. It is not possible to support this. And, we do not wish to invest into every wristband, but to ask big players, what is in their mind? Some of applications from big and well known providers are rated around 2 on Google Play. No one wish to use them, but big players are stubborn and just follow their route.
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I'm a CEO of SenLab, maker od IoTool. And believe me, we invested a lot of resources into that. But, there is no real support, firmware change, models change and similar. It is not possible to support this.
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In my opinion if you have enough resources then finding a responsible manufacturer is absolutely possible. Of course, it wouldn't be a big company, but there could be a good and cheap product that requires just a better application. However, I don't know your business strategy and may be such approach is not for you.
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And, we do not wish to invest into every wristband, but to ask big players, what is in their mind? Some of applications from big and well known providers are rated around 2 on Google Play. No one wish to use them, but big players are stubborn and just follow their route.
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Big boys work as follows:
They look at the market, they see a successful company, they copy the company's strategy and don't care about anything else. If anybody want to convince big boys to do something then most probably they think the person wants a free lunch and just ignore him. So, you need some connections within the company or you need a well known name for them to listen to you. And it means just one thing - only small and medium sized companies can be targeted by you (if you haven't connections, of course). But you don't want to invest into every wristband, so, there's nobody left for you - big boys won't listen to you and you won't ask some little boys.
Also the logging strategy of iotool.io is not very convenient for many people. People mostly don't want just a logging of some data from some sensors. They want something more useful, like heart rate monitor or calories calculation. Sensor set is just a way to provide the final product - the really needed in real life. Good sensor set can provide better final product, but the task of deciphering of some useful conclusions from logged data is not for the majority of people. So, you need to connect the logged data with people's needs. And while there's no such connection your product will catch only the small market of enthusiast users.